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Do you think we payed for this drawing? I want your opinion.
4 me marseille better than lyon...
there are no doubt about marseille win against dortmund but lyon vs zagreb....
hard 2 believe this....if lyon 2 goals was allowed..
then it would be 1-9..
yea..
go lyon go...
money platini money...
Lyon's whole titles won in his history are nothing compared with the titles of Juve so shut the f**k up OL Fan !!!!
Jesus Christ... you're so f*****g stupid, you know that? OL started as a club a mere 50 years ago, while Juve started more than a century ago! Also, we never fixed any matches to try and win something.
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Today, I spent some time comparing this incident with Italy's Calciopoli. I arrived to the conclusion that this can't be a case of match fixing.

Let me start with underlining what happened in Calciopoli. Moggi from Juventus arranged with referees games. Other managers from other clubs arranged games with referees. The referees then favored teams during games. Some players were also contacted. The plot was finally uncovered when referees were seen making gestures towards coaches and players. The focus? Referees and managers who arranged the business.

Now, I can pass onto Wednesday's incident. Let me first list some of the theories.

Theory 1 : OL arranged the game with the referees of Ajax - Real Madrid (0-3).

Theory 2 : OL arranged their game with Dinamo's team.

Theory 3 : OL Arranged their game with Dinamo's team and arranged the game with the referees of Ajax - Real Madrid (0-3).

Theory 4 : The players of OL and Dinamo themselves arranged the game between them.

Theory 5 : OL's and Dinamo's respective presidents arranged the game between them, with OL's president agreeing to give Dinamo half the prize money they get.

Theory 6 : Dinamo's players had an argument with their coach at half-time and agreed between them to lose heavily and thus get their coach fired.

Theory 7 : Asian or Balkan Mafia arranged the game.

As we see from the above theories, there are no focal points. Many of the theories point to opposite ways of others. This, along with the reasons I used to respond to arguments were the factors that led me to believe that there was no match fixing involved.
haha u can ask freemason george w bullshit iluminati or platini
two croatians were arrested over match fixing see every expected this

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1549/rest-of-europe/2011/12/09/2795797/two-croatian-football-officials-arrested-in-match-fixing
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This has nothing to do with our match though. It's clear that in Croatia, corruption is still common.
Juventusfan, no CL. U mad, bro?
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Do you know the word amalgam?
even when playing in Serie B Juve stands more chance winning the CL than Lyon
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Ever went on a calculator and tried dividing by zero? The same here. How is it possible that Juve win the CL without being in the CL? Remember Europa League? You drew against City, Salzburg and Lech Poznan! So how do you expect to win the CL? Please, I sincerely like Juventus, but a pathetic fan like you clearly disgraces them.
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U want to go to the great length by calling me pathetic? why u so mad? U never heard of sarcasm eh? Ok if like dat im hoping for Lyon to win this season UCL...but wait...we all know dat would never happen
Sure it would. We already bought the CL title this year. Hence so much players sales; we don't need players when we have bribery money DUUHHH.
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Lyon fans, don't take the criticisms of this game personally (except for the claims of corruption on UEFA or Lyon's part). IMO it looks as if this were just a match where the Zagreb team got mad at halftime and decided to stick it to their own manager. Be ecstatic that you moved on, but recognize that something foul was going on with the other side.
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It happens though. I remember last year when Almeria gave up on their manager in front of their own fans against Barcelona. The manager got sacked immediately after the game.
I think you all say that because you understand that the corruption by Lyon isn't credible.
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Today's news: Zagreb players were fed up with their coach after a fight during the break. They then let the match slip in the second half to get him fired. Would explain a lot of the odd things (almost) everyone has observed. Still it's a shame that 2 Ajax goals were called off while 2 of Lyon's goals were actually in offside position. Either way, best of luck to Lyon but even more to Zagreb to get rid of this maniac called Mamic
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I don't believe the players would do that. However, if they did, they are very unprofessional. They dishonored the club.
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Not sure about this story, but this club turned into a Balkan circus in the the recent times - anything is possible. As for this coach, he didn't really have any future in Dinamo, he's a complete amateur, the only reason for Mamic making him the coach was to have a puppet who he can control. Last year we had a world class coach, Vahid Halilhodzic, who actually briefly managed to transform the teams's loser mentality (which has always been there under Mamic), but he was soon fired due to resisting Mamic.

Anyways, thank you for acknowledging our troubles I also hope we get rid of that manaic, there are indications that his end is near. Then my club can be normal again.

P.S. I'm sorry for Ajax, they played some great football this year
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That's an explication that a lot of people won't believe. For many people on this forum, Lyon participate to a corruption system allowed by UEFA!
@Mardkodon, if I am not mistaken, Halilhodzic was one of the people who today said that there was no match fixing involved.
for ajaxamsterdam, you guys need to stop trying to find excuses. First the game was fixed, now this? The season was almost done in croatia, they would've gotten rid of the coach in a couple of weeks. Everything that happened was regular, so please stop trying to find excuses for lyon winning, its really disrespectful for us and for dinamo.
I don't get why all the Lyon people are saying the season is finished in Croatia. It's not that relevant for the discussion, but I was just wondering where you guys got that information?
I understand it's not over because you said so, but the prospect of two months of holidays might have been dwelling on players' minds. I think all of us got this from the media.
A pretty simple article : http://www.surrealfootball.com/2011/12/08/dinamo-zagreb-1-7-lyon-a-pictorial-investigation/
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These Commentators are Hilarious!!

n I don't even know what they're saying. Awesome.
this game is like playing Fifa 12 in amateur mode...lol... very poor defending ....good spirit from lyon came from behind and scored 1-7 in very important game and qualified for knckout stage....good luck fro all the teams who qualified for last 16...
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What, you concede in amateur mode? :P
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What a crap?!
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I almost fell off my chair laughing! A Neroazzurro saying we cheated?! Wow! Remember Calciopoli? You managed to even f**k up that!
lol... i admire your effort to defending your team. what i can say only : "get a PRIDE!!!"
I have pride :) We defied the odds to book a last 16 place :)
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the only thing you have is money to pay the dinamo zagreb players! you should be ashamed!
Hahaha, the pattern of posters who post s**t here is too obvious; ManUtd, Liverpool, Tottenham, Ajax fans - jealous cos their teams couldn't go into the 8th finals (or even in CL at all); and Barcelona fans - who think only their team is sacred enough to win a game by a larger margin, MES QUE UN RETARDS! And of course Dinamo Zagreb fans, but who could blame them? 3-22, worse goal difference record in CL ever. Don't be mad, that's also an accomplishment, hehe.
And just to remind all the haters; Lyon scored 3 goals against the best defense in Ligue 1 (Toulouse) last weekend, and were close to scoring more...What's so weird in doubling that tally against a team that's even like 3x times weaker than Toulouse, injury crippled, coached badly, and with a man sent off.
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Lyon vs the world
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If you don' see why EVERYBODY IN EUROPE except Lyon fans (even Zagreb fans admit it) is speaking shame of this match, your a fool. Love can make blind tho
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Well, they have a right to argue against it, after all there is no proof, but this kid is just vile. He tries to shut everyone out with his shallow arguments.
+1
What kid are you referring to here?
The lion-faced kid
My shallow arguments? My argument that 7 goals against a s**t team who hasn't competed in CL for 12 years, is quite possible to score for a team like Lyon?
And your best arguments are Vida's winking?
I'm sorry, but I hate what you all are doing here, and I see the majority of posters are fans of clubs who aren't in CL anymore (jealousy) and fans of Dinamo Z. who are pissed at everyone and not their team for performing that badly in CL.
On top of that, investigations about this game have come up with nothing. Even if there are more to come, I'm sure it would stay that way. Innocent, until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.
We, fans of Lyon, are just agitated cos of how much this game tarnishes our image, and most importantly our joy of this victory. And it's not like something was proven, so people have right to talk s**t about our club. It's exactly the opposite, the game has proven to be clean and you still are attacking Olympique Lyonnais for what? For beating Dinamo 7-1 when we needed it the most? It's not our fault Dinamo's players have given up and we certainly don't have money to be fixing game, nor is our president Jean Michel-Aulas crazy enough to risk his beloved team being disqualified from Ligue 1 and the Champions League.
And majority of YOUR arguments are based on "how can Lyon score 7 goals" and Vida's winking. Sorry, but that's bullshit. No one who posts these accusations even knows s**t about Lyon or Dinamo Z (except you I guess). Lyon is one of the top Ligue 1's offensive teams, and even with our best striker, Lisandro, having been injured for more than 2 months...I don't see the impossible in football, espcially not in this case.
I'm not gonna argue anymore, but you all should just chill the f**k out; your arguments are not very strong and you've got like 2 of them.
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Count me out of that group than, I even said in an earlier post that I don't believe the wink to have any significance. I am also not trying to undermine your victory, I also mentioned that in a comment before, I'm merely expressing my shock at what happened in that match. Maybe, like you say, the players simply gave up and decided to not play anymore. This is very possible. I also understand your ferocity when defending your club, it shows your are committed to it and won't allow it's name to be tainted. The problem is that while doing so, you are attacking everyone else, disrespecting other clubs. Just like you, I know my club very well and we've honestly had a terrible campaign in the CL, far worse than anyone expected. The actual result of this game is not what made suspicious (even though we never lost at home more than 3-0, and that was vs Henry's Arsenal), but the events in the game. I know these players, I know how they react, etc. Once again, maybe they just gave up, it's possible, and I never said it was a bribe for sure.

You're right about the arguing, don't feel like it either. Enjoy your win, but take it respectfully, not by calling everyone s**t. Good luck in the 1/8 finals

P.S. You said no one here knows about Dinamo except me. Well if you knew half of the things I know, you would understand why someone like me would consider match fixing as a possibility, my team has been run by a mobster for the past 10 years, who has been accused of several match fixing scandals and much more. But that doesn't mean that I am personally attacking your club, it has more to do with my own experiences with my club
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As Lyonnais4 said, we are innocent. Bafe explained the wink today morning, so that's it. You geniuses think that we are guilty, yet two investigations have proven us innocent. So really, you have shallow arguments.
K, Markodon, maybe it appeared like I aimed everything at you when infact you weren't a part of that ignorant jealous group who had like two arguments in mind for a 100% proof this game was fixed...My apologies to you.
And I'm not trying to disrespect anyone's clubs, but I'm pissed at how people are so sure of match fixing, this tainting the image of my club...and I see a clear pattern here; mostly fans of clubs who didn't go through the 8th finals or didn't qualify for CL at all, all the while Lyon has been through the CL group stages for 9 consecutive years.

I respect all the clubs, I respect all people, but not the ones who have decided to put dirt on the image of Olympique Lyonnais cos of their jealousy and/or ignorance.
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Lyonnais4, just imagine if neither lyon or zagreb was your team.
Ajax was losing 0-2 ( the offside goals are human mistakes) at halftime. Suddenly a Lyon team that scored 2 goals in 450 minutes before this match could score 7! times in 30 minutes after this half.This against a side who held Madrid and Ajax at 0-1 and 0-2. First half Lyon was a bit stronger due the (very stupid ) send off and suddenly the second half it was almost like Barcelona played against Shamrock Rovers although Lyon is a just a mediocre team (no offense, they were truelly great few years ago) . Even when only seeing the scoreline without any of the behaviour on the field or the history of Zagreb it would be very suspicious.

I know there won't be lot of evidence and you probably wont be punished but its just very fishy. Just looking at a (before) neutral point of view...

ps Memonick, you're quite the brainiac,,
So when Gomis comes with such a lame excuse you believe him?
Your such a naive person, Aulas said it isnt true, Gomis said it isnt true ...blahdifuckingblah, ever heard of lying?

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Looking from a neutral point of view, I would notice something strange. However, after seeing the match and the statements by numerous persons and the investigation results from UEFA and ARJEL, and seeing that there is no concrete evidence, I would stop saying something is fishy, and just let the fans enjoy this remarkable qualification.
I'm sorry, PietroBarc, but there is nothing stopping me from not believing him. His reason isn't that farfetched and many people have said that they don't believe OL haven't cheated.

Corruption, in France, isn't like Italy (Juve 2006). Teams found guilty of cheating would be kicked out of the CL and the Ligue 1. Also, how could we bribe Dinamo and the referees given our financial situation? We would rather have gone into the EL as there we wouldn't have lost money.

I appreciate what you believe, however I think we are seeing this from two points of view.
Really remarkable yes, something to be proud of...
Just as staged as the match Spain qualified for WC 84, only this one was setup at halftime
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Come on, barcafan...you don't know much about Lyon so don't pretend to. Yes, Lyon maybe mediocre comparing to Barcelona, Real Madrid, etc...But in French league we're doing pretty well (as much as we could with all the injuries we've had this season). Just because RM played 0-1 in Zagreb, Ajax 0-2, that doesn't mean Lyon can't win 7-1 at the same turf. Stranger things have happened in football, and knowing LYon's attacking talent very well, it comes to me as no surprise (I also quite well know about Zagreb too, they are a very inexperienced side who had a really bad coach up until this game) that we actually pushed it to the limit and won this game 7-1. We scored 3 goals against stronger teams than Zagreb (Toulouse, Bordeaux, Auxerre). Yeah, all these teams may seem to you like peanuts comparing to your Barca, but Dinamo is even in a bigger mess. I'm pretty sure if we scored 7 goals against a ten men Dinamo, Barca could score 14. They were THAT indiffirent, demoralized, unmotivated and weak. And Lyon was that night everything opposite of that.
France once known for his corruption (does the name Bernard Tapie says anything or the scandals before at Bordeaux)
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I understand youll protect your team and youre probably right when saying Lyon didn't cheat ( Zagreb on the other hand..) I only think its really unfair to Ajax what happend .Its only too bad for Lyon their name is tainted since the game... From now one my focus is on another match..

ps "many people have said that they don't believe OL haven't cheated." true words ;)
DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE TOLD? by the government, by fifa, by uefa, by the fa? Don't forget, there is also corruption in the world cup, forget uefa for a second...

QATAR get to host the world cup because of corruption!! I mean, who wants to play football at 50 degrees celsius desert summer? But FIFA didn't say they got paid by QATAR did they?

Again Blatter was the ONLY choice for president of FIFA. Did he mention how he paid off all the other guys not to run against him? NO.

So when UEFA say there was no cheating in lyon's game by checking online betting (weak) and then they say there will be no further investigation, do you REALLY believe them?

Lyon may not be involved at all...

Or maybe at half time Lyon said they would split the prize money they win from qualification with zagreb. Lyon could use half the money since they are in a financial trouble and Zagreb are run by mafia so yea.

Im not saying thats the case but it seems possible and I believe my eyes more than what uefa tell me. Anyways there is no proof so you are lucky either way. we will see if lyon are really that good in the next game. If so, I will shut my mouth about this forever.
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1. The "many people" are mostly Dutch!
2. You mentioned the game Spain vs Malta. I am going to comment on this in relation to Dinamo - OL as I am myself Maltese. You are right. That game was corrupted. However, on that occasion, there was solid proof. In this game, there was nothing. The Spanish were spotted coming out at half-time with some green liquid on their mouths. They were probably drugged. In this occasion, I don't see anything as strong as that.
3. Zagreb may have cheated, yet I don't know the reason why. What would they have won by losing? We can rule out the bets as they have already been investigated.
Yes scoring 7 goals in 30 minutes is realistic bitch please....
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God... another Dutch... Listen man, post any arguments you have that prove we fixed the match. I will beat them all.
sepp blatter..would u belive him..
platini would u believe him..
of course not...
a youth team from the streets could've scored 7 goals.. look at the players.. actually.. forget the players and defenders that r walking... look at the goalie!!! such a horrible actor, bending his body like he's gonna dive into a swimming pool AFTER the ball passes him.. obvious acting, horrible at it too..
sorry, that's my opinion.. and i actually love lyon.. always have..
and no, i dont have any evidence, im using my eyes and my brain.
either way, that's my opinion, and i'm pretty sure we'll never really find out.
They say now that even Marseille fixed the match against Dortmund. How far will this French club hatred spread huh?? Oh no sorry French hatred in general LOL ridiculous, never heard such stupid allegations. If a team from Spain or England managed to defy the greatest odds and stage the greatest comebacks in recent group stage history then nobody would say anything but when the French are involved pffft different matter. pitiful
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I mean, seriously, what can they say about OM? We did score 7 goals, but OM scored 3 and conceded 2! Also, I agree with you on the point where this is all because it's a French team. If it was Man U who scored three goals in the last five minutes to pass into the CL knock-outs, it would have been labelled as a legendary match. As Gomis said, everyone thought we were for the EL, but the players and staff put in a lot of effort. Now that we passed, everyone is criticizing them.
If I was an Ajax, I just shut my mouth because I would have no evidence.
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OL has today explained the wink to RMC. He said that he has knows Vida for some time since the groups were drawn. He said that with the wink, Vida wanted to tell him something about the following lines: "You've scored... now give us a little time to recuperate."

He also reacted angrily at the accusations of JMA cheating and defended him - as did Bernard Tapie, former OM president.

Source: RMC, Footmercato.net
If you only say it enough times , you might gonna fool yourself afterall
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What the f**k am I doing wrong? I just reported what the above sources said! There is nothing stopping you from quoting your sources, and I do whatever you want. So please, kindly shut the f**k up before I report you.
Go tell your mommy about me then.
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Their source is conspiracy.com
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Bernard Tapie defending JMA !? Here is the evidence we where waiting for !!!! HAHAHA!
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