Just feel fortunate that holland currently has a great team. You know nothing.

Yasserf please dont start a nation football hate comment LOL. I felt the Dutch played rather laid back and not-so-entertaining football then. If you notice in friendlies, usually the Dutch let in soft goals after they cruised, shows their seriousness in friendlies!! Remember Hol 5 Belgium 5 ?

Not trying to find excuses for Holland not playing well or not winning matches in friendlies. But the difference these men made in EC, WC are extreme compared to exhibitions.

England is not a worthless team, in my view they are the most unpredictable team in top football nations.

JCENAdaBest I dont blame u for showing love for your country and team. This hate you mentioned, I agree. Lots of hate for England, in my opinion these hate are generated by lots of media hype and "arrogance" within the nation.

Yes I know that England squad was not the usual England. But could England guaranteed to avoid defeat if these old boys are playing? Ask the neutrals.

The Dutch have a reputation of playing their "friendlies" badly. Sneijder even quote even b4 the Germany game that the game was not even significant. I knew they were going to lose that one.

If a English fan can say that this England squad was not 100%, a Dutch fan can also say that his team is not giving a damn about this match.

The Dutch has often entertained and impressed during the BIG STAGES, be it winning the tourney or not.

Which team can match Brazil in terms of ball possessions in a match? Do some research, you can find that the Dutch could, and I mean not just the recent WC 2010, the WC 98 and WC 94, Holland drive Brazil to the edge, finally beating them in 2010.

Bottomline is good players or not, I dont see any England national side gelling as a team to achieve class football. (But I remembered the Alan Shearer and Sheringham's England that beat Holland 4-1)

England WC98. Beckham's sending off resulting in batty's penalty against Argentina. Bring back Glenn Hoddle, in spite of him being the politically incorrect weirdo that he was.

yeah i wonder if Wenger had a say in that...