"our A team would rape everyone" haha.... we've gone through this already. Your glorious A team rapes everyone in Concacaf.... and that prety much sums up the raping.

rape? really? did you have to go there? Mexico's A team would've held their own against anyone in CONMEBOL but "rape"? wake up man.

And a sex scandal... just sayin'

Bro come on we beat Paragauy 3-1 and Brazil tied to them 2-2
We tied and beat the last two times we played against Venezuela 4-0,2-2 And Argentina just tied with them and they lost to France we beat France 2-0 before the WC come man face it Mexico is starting to become a deadly especially since they are all young and beast players

you are really celebrating a win over a C team from mexico?.. don't forget chile has never beaten mexico in copa america. this was the first time you guys beat mexico and you were losing 1-0 for at least 30 minutes and couldn't score. and lol ask brazil how many times we have beaten them..ask uruguay about that 3-1 we put on them in the 07 CA. we handle the south very well.

and chicharito&marquez are not the only good players from mexico, listen if you don't know about mexico or any of their players don't talk at all.

Let him celebrate his victory against a C team! what a joke, and pathetic.

@Poz You're comparing Mexico to Barca. Now let's compare Chile's midfield to Barca's to be fair: Not even close.

You need to put your money where your mouth is. And remember Marquez was subbed out of the final and we were without him for half the game.

because its much less humiliating to lose to Argentina, Brazil, etc. than it is to lose to the US. And it was a more likely route to the Confed Cup in a couple years

@Sebparedes -- "ts much less humiliating to lose to Argentina, Brazil, etc. than it is to lose to the US"

^^thats bullshit, they way CONMEBOL has been playing this tourney it looks like South American teams would be humiliated by a Mexican A squad.

@Roo10ney
Like previously mentioned before by other users who know about football and dont make random idiotic remarks ala Sebparedes, Mexico didn't bring their A squad because they were forced to play with an Under-22 squad with 5 over 22-aged players. (some with only a handful of caps) This decision was made before any doping and prostitution scandals. Mexico has done quite well since being invited to the tournament in 1993. They have made it out of the group stage 7 out 7 times including 2 runner ups and 3 3rd places. "Humiliated"... I think not.

that mexico team i saw beating the proverbial out of the yanks was one which i felt could be a serious contender for future world cups etc.

this mexico team isnt

@AntonioD
Don't be such a douche.

How were Mexico forced? Who forced them?

Alfi, mi amigo.... according to AntonioD, Mexico is an invincible squad and any opinion that you have about them does not count unless, of course, your opinion is that they are better than any other team.

@Alfrodo
for the last time.. CONCACAF forced mexico because mexico doesn't belong to the conembol area (aka it doesn't give the concacaf any money and they want money)

@Okcomputer..oh c'mon no one on here has said that mexico is invincible, us mexico fans know we are not a world class national team. but we're not a crappy NT either and it annoys us when people downplay our abilities.. you were the one who said we were average in copa america, when in FACT (as in you can google our numbers against south american teams) we're pretty damn good in copa america(that is when we bring a squad that can compete). so we're not
trying to say ~ooh mexico is the best everrr omg~ that's not our intention but you guys are saying things that are not true and we're just trying to to tell you otherwise because it seems like most people on here have no idea about Mexico's history in football.

@Lovelyeli you weren't the one saying that Mexico was invincible. you were just defending the team that you love, and for that i give you kudos....however, it was the AntonioD guy who pretty much implied that Mexico was the best team on earth and it couldn't be defeated at any level.... I don't have to google anything as i'm familiar with some of the brilliance that Mexico has brought to football... Manuel Negrete, Luis Garcia, Hugo Sanchez, Jorge Campos, Jared Borgetti.... and in the corse of history Mexico has always been a tough adversary for any team. i am aware of that.... all i said, which i'm sticking to, is that is relatively easy for Mexico to win in CONCACAF competitions, but is different in CONMEBOL... you guys are just as good as any CONMEBOL team.... not better, not worse.... anything can happen in CONMEBOL, every team is just as good as any other, specially in recent years since Brazil has a lost a certain magic of theirs... or the rest of teams have just gotten better... whatever it is.... i'm not bashing Mexican football, you guys play world class football, but if you think that Mexico is above CONMEBOL class, please think again.

@Alfrodo -- "Apprently everyone is baffled as to why Mexico was missing so many players. Between doping and prostitution, de la Torres didn't have much choice"

Instead of spending your time making idiotic arbitrary comments with no logical/factual basis, you should spend some time and READ the replies to your own idiotic remarks on this forum or simply look up the FACTS (google, bing and yahoo are a good place to start if you've never looked up facts before).

Even after @Lovelyeli, and many others have replied and explained as to why Mexico has a C team in the Copa America, or look through a simple Google search might be too complicated for you to look up FACTS, here is goes again:
CONCACAF set the limitations on MEXICO and COSTA RICA to only have an under 22 squad, with 5 players outside that circle, in order for them to compete in the CONMEBOL (I didn't make up these rules; they where set by CONCACAF). If you where to simply read instead of pulling random illogical conclusions out of your ass like you are accustomed to, then you would know the FACTS.

@OK computer - - "and for Copa America they figured that even their best squad with Torrado, Chicharito, Rafa Marquez, Barrera, etc is just a pretty average team at South American level.... maybe that's what happened??"

OKcomputer -- "All i'm saying is that whether you bring your A, B, or C squad to Copa America, you're still just another team like the rest of them. This ain't CONCACAF."

I NEVER said that your opinion doesn't count (for whatever little its worth) Please show me other relevant evidence that might suggest otherwise in order to support your opinion before you start making idiotic conclusions with no logical basis. All you have been able to do is say the contrary, without providing any evidence whatsoever.

You're the one who seems to think that Mexico would be an average team with their A squad in South America. I'm simply saying that they would be above average based on their performances in Copa America since they where invited in 1993; the level of performance the South American teams have been producing lately is also a factor. You take both of those into consideration and you will see that they are not "just another team like the rest of them" like you claim with no supporting evidence.

Once again let me show you HISTORY to support my argument. Thus far you haven't provided any statistical number to give credit to your argument whatsoever.

In Mexico's short history, they have made it out of the group stage 7 out of 7 times since being invited in 1993. FACT. Mexico has made it to the final twice and have 3 3rd- places. 5 out of 7 times they placed in the top 3. FACT. That doesn't sound like an "average" team.

Now lets look at some of the recent stats. I'll try and make it as simple as possible for you to be able to understand for once using basic human logic. I will use the simple, equation of philosophical logic:

the Mexican under-22 team defeated Bolivia 1-0 in a friendly warm up match a week before the Copa America. So the Mexican C squad defeated a team that people seem to think a Mexico A squad would struggle against. This will be known as.
Mexico C > Bolivia

In the Copa America, Argentina tied at home 1-1 to Bolivia:
(Since 2007, they have faced 3 times including this tie. Twice in qualifiers splitting the victories. Bolivia winning 6-1, Argentina winning 3-0 at their home stadiums respectively. Bolivia, with a better Goal Differential)

Argentina = Bolivia (this is stats, I know some of you think this is crazy, but this is a FACT of actual scores in rivalry in the last 4 years, keeping them relevant to the argument.)

Obviously the Mexico A Squad is better than their current C squad. I'm sure no one with any right sense of mind will argue against that.
Mexico A > Mexico C

If the Mexican C squad can defeat Bolivia, why would you assume their A squad, which is obviously better than their C squad, would struggle against Bolivia like Argentina did? That makes no logical sense because they are above average given the recent stats and their is nothing otherwise to show that they would struggle.

Here another simple logical argument.

Mexico A defeated Costa Rica A 4-1 in the 2011 Gold Cup. They won that game with total dominance. Therefore:
Mexico A > Costa Rica A

Colombia, struggles to defeat the Costa Rican under-22 C squad by the slimmest of margins 1-0, and they could only do this against a 10 men C squad:
Colombia > Costa Rica C (I'm sure, along with most of the Footytube community, that an other ABOVE AVERAGE team would have destroyed the Costa Rica C squad)

So if Colombia struggles to defeat a Costa Rican C squad, how can a Mexican A squad who humiliated the Costa Rican A squad 4-1, struggle against the Costa Rican C squad like Colombia did? That makes no logical sense. You take the Gold Cup Team and they would have easily destroyed the Costa Rica C squad by at least 5-0. Why would a Mexico A squad struggle against a team who can barely defeat a CONCACAF C team. Again, no logical sense.

Next time use some logic, other than, "Hey, I'm South American and live close to Brazil & Argentina, therefore we must be good!"
(to clarify I have nothing against South Americans, it is just the logic that was used by OKcomputer and others to come up with arbitrary conclusions. Its like saying your country is automatically good at Football just because you are in Europe, if it where true it would make Iceland a competitor in football based on continental orientation alone)

So given the history of Mexico's participation in the Copa America, along with the weak performances that South America has been producing lately, it is safe to say that Mexico would NOT struggle and NOT be just another average team in South America and not "like the rest of them" who struggle to beat C teams.

@OKComputer-- "but if you think that Mexico is above CONMEBOL class, please think again"

PS: I also NEVER said Mexico was above the CONMEBOL. Please show me where I stated that? Again, you are taking random statements and making up artificial comments that people didn't make.

OKComputer -- "just a pretty average team at South American level"
^^ given the stats I posted, Mexico doesnt look like an AVERAGE team in South America. All I have been stating is that a Mexican A team would not STRUGGLE in CONMEBOL and would not be AVERAGE as you seem to imply given the FACTS. I provided the history and stats of Mexico in South America and they are in support of the statement that I provided. How hard is that to understand? You still haven't provided with any evidence in favor of your argument. Please explain other than, "but is different in CONMEBOL." Give me some Copa America Stats to prove that. I never said they where above the CONMEBOL, I'm saying that they wouldn't struggle in the CONMEBOL and would not be an average team like you keep on stating without any supporting evidence.

I guess it would be really hard coming from the guy who didn't know French Guiana, Suriname and Guyana are part of South America. Should have looked that one up on google as well where you can find FACTS. Please reply with some evidence to support your claim

and the record for the longest comment on footytube goes to AntonioD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

@AntonioD
chill out man, we're just stating opinions, you don't have to take every comment so seriously....I just suggested that from Mexico's (and/or CONCACAF) perspective the Gold Cup is the bigger priority....I made no suggestion about any superiority or lack there of for any team. It's quite obvious that Mexico's chances of winning the Gold Cup was far greater so they went for it and are rewarded with a spot in the Confed Cup.....now hows that idiotic?

It's also business; the Gold Cup is not nearly as prestigious or profitable as CONCACAF would like it to be so if they have to they'll force their associations to prioritize with they're strongest teams.

@Sebparedes
"chill out man, we're just stating opinions, you don't have to take every comment so seriously..."

There is a Reply button for a reason. Some people, like myself, like to use statistics and records to back up reasonable opinions; not just shield behind the "its-my-opinion-therefore-I-can-spread-falsehoods-without-any-solid foundations-method"
Here is an example. You just stated:
"I made no suggestion about any superiority or lack there of for any team." -- Sebparedes

Yet you previously commented about why Mexico is taking a C squad to Copa America:
"because its much less humiliating to lose to Argentina, Brazil, etc. than it is to lose to the US." -- Sebparedes
^^now that's idiotic.

Its funny how your new comment contradicts the previous comment you made and DOES SUGGEST "any superiority or lack thereof for any team." That's called being hypocritical. It has NOTHING to do with being "humiliated" as your baseless opinion states, a baseless opinion which also many footytube members have debunked by replying to idiotic comments like your own with FACTS. If you where to come with some statistics, facts, articles or useful sources of information, then your opinion would have some merit to it. Otherwise, I will continue to use facts, records, etc to back up my opinions and discredit and baseless opinions like I have done, and will continue to do so.

So you can click reply and bring in some evidence to back up your opinion:
"because its much less humiliating [for Mexico] to lose to Argentina, Brazil, etc. than it is to lose to the US,"

@AntonioD thank you for novel. To be honest with you, you seem to know a lot about the history of Mexican football, and seem to be very much about facts and numbers rather than opinions and random theories, which brings me to this: you stated, somewhere in the many paragraphs above, that Mexico defeated Costa Rica 4 - 1 in the gold cup and that Colombia struggle to defeat Costa Rica just 1 - 0 a few days ago, which is all true and i agree with all of that; however, according to your statement, football is just plain irony as Argentina defeated Mexico 3 -1 in the world cup just a few a months back, and yet, in their own home, drew 0 - 0 to Colombia, the very same Colombia that struggled to defeat Costa Rica. In addition to that, F.C Barcelona defeated Real Madrid 5 - 0, and 5 months later Real Madrid defeated Barcelona 1 - 0.... according to your theory, that's not being supported at all by numbers, by the way, if team A defeats team B, and team B goes and defeats team C, then team A will surely, always, defeat team C.... that is not at all the case in football... every game is different. Every competition is different. That's the beauty of it.

Last but not least, Mexico's numbers in CONMEBOL look pretty damn good... but there sure have been a lot of draws and they have also lost a lot of games..... and their numbers look way way better on CONCACAF.

I think i'm going to go watch the Mexico vs Peru game now, as i'm sure you are, too.

@AntonioD
get over yourself....this site is meant to be enjoyed, you just sound like Rafa Benitez with that "FACT" bullshit....I dont have to produce a list to prove an opinion, its only an opinion this inst some exam. It's a simple "FACT" that the US team is Mexico's most intense rival and beating them means much more to much of the Mexican popultaion than any other team....I'm not sure why this offends you so much.

And with my previous comments, it's not ME that suggests superiority of either nation, I was merely trying to look at it from the point of view of the Confederations....no need for the history lesson, thank you

Once again you guys have failed to show how Mexico would "struggle" or be "just like the rest of them". I have always stated that Mexico would NOT struggle and would NOT be an average team in south America.

@Sebparedes
"that "FACT" bullshit" - -Sebparedes
^^this just cracks me up! Its funny how people get irritated when confronted with actual facts and stats.

"I dont have to produce a list to prove an opinion"
^^A statement made by people with an opinion with no concrete supporting evidence on a stance. Their only defense when confronted is usually, "well its my opinion."

by the way, Opinions can still be debunked even though they are still just an opinion.
Its like saying:
"the world is flat. that's my opinion."
I would hope you know that's a silly opinion. Its even sillier when the "flat earth" thinker gets confronted with data and facts that show the world is round, while still not providing evidence to back up their original opinion of a flat earth.

So hope you enjoyed another one of my lessons.

@OKComputer-
Thank you for bringing in a couple of relevant games into the equation, but I don't see any Irony as you seem to claim.
Mexico defeated Colombia at home 1-0 on Sept 7 2010.
Then, on June 22, 2011, Mexico's under-22 C team tied to Colombia 0-0 in Colombia. That very same Colombia who struggled to defeat a Costa Rica C squad.
That very same day, on June 22, Mexico's A team advanced to the Gold Cup Final.
^^Still doesn't sound like an "Average" team in South America that would "struggle." Its pretty straight forward with nothing "ironic" about that.

Mexico lost to Argentina in the World Cup 3-1. Argentina where also favorites to win that game as they did. (if you actually watched the match, you would notice that Tevez's 6-yard offside goal changed the dynamics of the game. Also the Mexican coach decided to play his buddies Guille Franco & Oscar "Conejo" Perez over Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez and Guillermo Ochoa respectively. They were by far the worst players on the team and baffled people why they had a slot on the team, let alone a starting XI spot)

This still doesn't show that Mexico would "struggle" in South America and nothing ironic about it either. Argentina and Brazil are the 2 big horses and then their is everyone else (the way the Copa America has been going, Argentina and Brazil look like "everyone else" right about now)

Also, what does Real Madrid and Barcelona have to do with Mexico in the CONMEBOL. Just because Real Madrid and Barcelona are world class teams, it does not make the rest of the La Liga teams superior because of their association to LA Liga. Those are to TOP level teams in one region. They are like the Argentina and Brazil of LA LIGA.
You take another top level team from England, Italy or Germany into LA LIGA and they would not struggle for a Champions league spot. Just like if Mexico where to play in the CONMEBOL instead of CONCACAF, even though there are 2 big horses in the CONMEBOL, they would not struggle for a World Cup slot. Just like in LA LIGA, their are only TWO Teams in the CONMEBOL, then there is everyone else. And there is NO STRUGGLE against teams in the "everyone else" category.

I have never stated that Mexico would dominate or kill everyone in CONMEBOL, just that Mexico would NOT struggle in the CONMEBOL given that there are plenty of teams "everyone else" category and Mexico's history in the CONMEBOL.

lying arse, you were cheddered up to them red eye balls barely focusing on the screen

how do i know? so am i :)

hahahhahahah dat n***a high as a motherfucker lol...i wish dat s**t was legal here in US!....whereever u are, pls dont finish them weed! leave some for me lol

Hahahaha

In fact Mexico are always contenders to win it. Not this year, since Mexico brought their under 22 team. However, if you look at the history of Mexico vs South American countries on fifa.com Mexico has beaten every team more than they have beaten Mexico with the exception of Argentina. Meaning we have beaten Brazil more times than they have beat us, we have beaten Paraguay more times than they have beaten us, etc.... While Mexico may not have a Messi, we do have incredible amounts of young talent, and I think it's only a matter of time before our "Messi" comes through. Needless to say, if Mexico were in CONMEBOL, they would have no problem qualifying to the World Cup. South American teams just like to talk because they think their level is so much higher, but in reality ONLY Brazil and Argentina have a higher level than Mexico