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BREAKING: Sources within the club have indicated that the Danilo deal has already been struck between Porto and Los blancos with the signing being done as soon as tomorrow with announcement coming only at the end of this current season.
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He's a 24yo RB,who is coming to the club that has a 23yo amazing RB,Carvajal. Do we really need an expensive RB backup,cause that reminds me of Coentrao's situation way to much.
Perhaps Carlo wants more competition at that position because Arbeloa though someone the fans respect as a warrior just doesnt add anything when we need another alternative to Carvie and Danilo can also play as makeshift CB as well.
I get that,but i actually hoped nacho would take Arbeloa's place,he's a really good option for a back up RB. I think paying 30-40M to challenge Carvajal(who is already one of the best and most consistent player we have) to much.
I wouldn't worry about Nacho's playing time. With Pepe's new deal, it's starting to really seem like Rafa might be gone soon. It would be a nightmare for all of us, but I wouldn't be surprised, he does not deserve to be on the bench. I've had no real complaints with Ancelotti, but the one thing I hate, is how he's treated Varane.
We are all still waiting for Carlo to make Varane a standard first eleven player,but he stays loyal to Pepe and Ramos. Sometimes I think Ancelotti is afraid to bench his regular players,it even took him too long to make Carvajal the starting RB,even thou it was very clear he was better than Arbeloa.
Carlo is Italian and with that comes the immense stubbornness. Varane should be the starting CB case closed paired with either Ramos or Pepe. Honestly if Varane is allowed to leave then i would be without a doubt that Perez is in it just for the $ made from shirt sales.
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I can understand the hesitation and even worry about the direct competition to Carvajal, but I really feel this move has not been taken lightly and neither without the coaches input, so lets see how it all plays out.
Wow pedmar... such a high opinion of Italians...
Fabio Capello did coach RM X2
Guys, we are putting together a fifa tournament (ps4 only), if anyone is interested in participating check the post on the premiership forum
Carvajal and Danilo as our RBs next season?

Awesome.
Just watched a training vid of RM from yesterday and what I saw was Benzema composed and cheeky in front of goal to fake a shot and chip the gk to score. MY GOD MAN!!! Why can't you guys do that in real competitive games, instead of rushing shots, shooting from too far and just scuffing shots? If you guys approached these games as of you're at training/scrimmaging maybe we your fans will be treated to a spectacle through what we saw before 2014 ended.

I really would love to see these guys just go out there have fun, enjoy their ability and I bet we'd see an entirely different animal. Remember when Pep was coaching Barca and those guys back then played in such a manner as if they were toying with the opp.

When Modric returns and we're able to get that back again, I honestly think these guys are over thinking their game and making it too hard for themselves and by extension each other.

Sometimes they do look as if they're enjoying their football, but at the same time they look nonchalant about it against weaker opp and hence the whistles/boos from home fans and cheers from the opp fans away.

Come on guys our team's getting back together and we still have a job to do.
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There is too much pressure at Madrid to be frank, if you don't perform you get replaced by the next world star. Not many can thrive in such high pressures.
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^^ That's why if they forgot that and just played to enjoy and to entertain instead of worrying if they'll be picked next week then their performances would be better that our coach would be more confident in making subs and still have a balanced team and can actually stay on the bench and actually have a smoke instead of chewing sooo much gum.
Quick scenario: Benzema does the following in a match instead of just burying the ball in thr net with a proper shot. But this time he doesn't fool the keeper who comfortably just catches the ball. The match ends 0-0, how do you think people will react?

A) They blame Benzema for the loss and demand that he be benched because he tried to show off instead of just making sure he scored.

B) They praise Benzema for trying to be so stylish and laugh off the loss of 2 league points because style is more important than winning.

^ Pick one.
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^

I'd be angry with him and might even call him a couple of names but I wouldn't demand he be benched.
Well maybe not that far but you get the gist of what I'm saying :)
Completely misses the point. What I'm saying is that if our guys can have that calm and nerve in front of goal during games it would only strengthen their belief in their own ability and hence become more formidable against our rivals. Has nothing to do with whether he scores or misses. What I'm interested in is the ability to go into games with that confidence in yourself and teammates to play with such calm and guile that you would be willing to try such stuff.
Keep hearing about POGBA coming to Madrid, my seemingly unanswerable ? is WHO SITS DOWN?????

ISCO, MODRIC,JAMES,KROOS,BALE,BENZEMA,SILVA = WHO?
Only like for like is Kroos. Very improbable that Kroos will be touched. Pogba should really replace Yaya at City. And yes, Yaya needs to be replaced :P
@Tomikato

We will gladly take him off your hands :)
I'll take Yaya. He's a class player and is just going through a rough patch. Happens to the best of them.
Pogba is being tied to every major club.

Please let us take Yaya back!!! I have missed him so much
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I would love to have yaya back at Barca, but would Madrid want a player like Yaya? Doubt it.
Yaya would never go to Madrid. He already said that if he comes back to Spain, it will only be Barcelona.
Ramos and James started working with the ball today,and Modric has been training normally with full intensity for over a week now. Great news!
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I think I just read James wont start full practice till first of April.
That's probably true Tharius,but it's really good to know he's progressing well.
Tharius was right all along. James is a vital part of our attack, we need his trickery in tight spaces and his ability to start attacks. Really miss him and Modric right now :(
For sure Pejvl its good new indeed, Hikmat i know how u feel mate, thats why having both James and Isco on the pitch together along with Modric and Kroos brought such joy to Madridistas, Iscos way of keeping possession when we need to slow things down a bit and James knack to open a tight lane to put in an incisive pass to one of our front 3 or 2 lol, and his ability to also push into a spot where he himself gets great looks at goal brought a great balance to the team as a whole.
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With that midfield being led by Benzema and Ronaldo it was epic. Although Bale isn't a player you can sit on the bench, even then he could rotate with Benzema and possibly Isco/James when Ancelotti does play that 4-3-3.
Well well, this has been a fun day. I want to speak to the regulars here and put very plainly the issues at hand so that everybody understands. But first, I'd like to address today's problem. I'm not going to judge anyone, I'm not going to point out if it could've been handled better or worse, I'm just going to show you 2 previous comments made on this forum by the person who got in trouble today, Realfan. I've removed some of the convo cos it's a bit long and attacks another user. This comment was made before Pejvl joined our team btw.

"I've had something on my mind regarding the whole 'the Madrid chat needs a mod of its own'

When Matt and Lee first made this site they picked users like Tony, Ben, Zach, Jereon, Raj to be the mods of this site. Anyways, not only were they respected by everyone on the site, but everyone knew they didn't tolerate any sort of trolling. They didn't give 'warnings' to trolls, they just put them on status, deleted their comment and made them feel like a horses ass.

When Footytube 2.0 first came, I used to get into all sorts of trouble. I was put on status about 3 times, and was even told to stay away the site for a while...LMAO. Why? Because the mods didn't take crap from anyone.

Let me tell you a story. There was a user named ***** (or something like that) Man, I HATED his guts. He used to harass me, call me a glory hunter, make offensive comments regarding my I.Q. and knowledge about football. When Meebo was around, we used to have heated arguments...he even brought my family into it. Why am I telling you this? Well, if we have users like him become mods no one would troll on any chat. I mean, would someone like ******** troll on the Madrid chat if someone like @Slim was a mod? ...we all know Slim wouldn't think twice before deleting his idiotic comments.
The mods ether need to starting being more strict, or we need users like Slim or Rob12 as mods."

"Whatever man. We need a badass like yourself to take control of this chat."

^ I'd say he got exactly what he wished for really, so I don't really understand this sentence from his rant post earlier -

"I miss the good old days when we had @St1or and @White argue for days on pointless topics. Now, if a Madrid fan even dares to post a comment on the Barca chat they get told to back off and take it to their own chat. "

It seems therefore that it's only a problem and too strict, when the attention's on the user making the complaint. Now I'm gonna give you all the absolute bare bones of the problem we're having and then I invite you to discuss it with me, free of judgement, just don't swear at me please. People swear because they can't think of anything better to say so let's all prove how intelligent we are. Here's the issue for you guys.

- This site has changed over the years, different mods, users etc different approaches but there has been ONE CONSTANT. The overall aim of the site, which is "to promote healthy discussion, share knowledge and form relationships between fans of football clubs, rivals or alike, on an international level to the benefit of all."

- Lately, we have had fans of various teams coming to us personally and confiding that they don't feel welcome or encouraged to join in discussion on the Madrid and Barca pages, due to the animosity and vitriolic nature of the comments being slung back and forth at each other.

- As Realfan said earlier, we don't get paid $60k a week to mod this site. That means we have LESS patience for cleaning up the forums and making them more hospitable than if this were our day job and not simply something we volunteer to do.

- Lately a lot of regulars have been acting like real assholes to each other, beyond the normal back and forth banter on here. Given that this is preventing the site's main aim, this is a serious problem. You'd best believe that the owner of the site, who's invested time and money into creating this place, will not blink twice about wanting you gone, regardless of how long you've been here. Happily only 1 user has been banned lately but that could change.

^ THESE are the issues lads, now how do you want to play this? Respect is earned, that goes for how mods react towards your comments also. Taking Realfan for example, he's caused several problems of late and therefore we will deal more harshly with him due to him setting this precedence. When it comes to reacting to your comments, I consider how it's been received. If there's a few replies that are heading towards an argument, then quite frankly, you've been a jackass in your approach and need to learn how to structure your posts better. I've been on this site for 3 years, I've made wisecracks concerning just about every team on here on their forums and yet in 3 years, I've had 1 warning for my very 1st comment on the site. Banter doesn't have to be rude, if you're getting rude responses you need to adjust your game.

Thoughts? Replies? Speak plainly guys, let's resolve this garbage cos I'm tired of letting people off with a warning and my Ban Hammer's starting to get itchy. I'd rather talk this out and ban the REAL idiots than deal with petty squabbles between mildly irritating users day in and day out.

Oh and 1 final thing. With the exception of this candid convo, if you have a problem with a particular mod, DO NOT call them out publicly like Realfan chose to earlier. Either take it to their wall or approach a different mod, we always discuss any discrepancies. If he felt that Chelsea61 was out of line he should've said so in a much less disrespectful manner. And the notion of only a Madrid mod being able to say anything here is utter crap. Having Pejvl as a mod means 1 thing. It means we're more likely to spot an argument on here because there's a mod who happens to be on this page more often than say myself being that I'm an Arsenal fan. Pedmar tried to tell me this the other day(another serial offender) and I set him straight and I'll do it to anyone else who makes an accusation of bias.

Now, gimme some feedback, Barcelona fans as well so I don't have to jump from page to page.
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To be honest you guys have been doing terrific job,I have been to many football sites and I know how many low Life wandering there freely ,thanks for guys we still have some intelligent topics to discuss peacefully.

One of main flaw is that,sometimes you are acting as some kind of convent teachers who would punish us if we question them.I had been on status for more than two months just because I questions one mod being too strict and didn't apologize to him because I didn't feel it that way.That's where problem lies,mods are letting their ego to come out rather than commonsense and showing their authorities brutal side though it's happen rarely.
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If you need to question a mod and/or his actions, do so discretely, preferably by posting on their wall. Doing so publicly is likely to make the mod defensive first of all as it's an opportunity for all the trolls to crawl out from under their rocks and take a free swing and it can feel like it's '1 mod vs the world' which can lead to the "authoritive brutal side" approach you're referring to. Secondly it's just not a good look for the forum and messes up the page. If you don't wish to approach the mod in contention, approach a different one and rest assured, it will be discussed, it always is. We are accountable just like any other user and problems are addressed and dealt with in-house. I'd be lying if I said I haven't apologised a few times for being too heavy handed and have been told I was out of line by another mod. We're human just like everybody else.

Thankyou for the feedback :) Guys don't be afraid to not hold back, this is your chance to speak plainly cos it ain't gonna get resolved any other way. Contrary to popular belief I hate banning people so I'd rather establish an acceptable standard and let you get back to enjoying the forums without us needing to deal so heavily with users. But I can't do that if you're not honest with me or refuse to speak up. You won't get in trouble unless you swear at me. No decor in this convo.
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/59848156.jpg

Unintentional but hilarious nonetheless ;)
Lol whoops :( c'mon, stay on topic please :)
Sorry! To make up for my derailment...

It might be helpful if we try to be more accountable for our own fans (on our own forum and others' forums). I would rather receive feedback from a Barca fan that I'm crossing a line than a Real Madrid fan.
Mmm, well that's all about having the older users act as ambassadors, which I fully support. It took a few years to establish that system on the Arsenal forum, now it moderates itself. The issue lies with the fact that some of the older members on these 2 forums are more likely to encourage the argument than dissuade it. I basically want to come to an understanding with the regulars of both pages to improve relations and make this forum more attractive to outsiders. A lot of older members have been quite outspoken towards mods and that has to stop. Establishing proper leadership in the forums is a great idea but the responsibility needs to be shouldered by all the older regulars to be successful. A very good approach though Alfrodo. It also limits these damn accusations of bias from a mod if their own fans are telling them to pipe down.
Zlich, I respect your devotion to this site. Seems like it means life to you.
Cheers lol. Not even close though, I do this in my spare time. I just have a desire to preserve a good thing. I've seen far too many of the other sites on the net which are a free for all. I want there to be at least 1 place on the net where people can talk football without being abused for having a different opinion.
I'm a bit surprised to hear RealFan considered me to be a 'badass' mod he respected. I wasn't that strict at all I thought, but I did delete comments I deemed too rude/flamebait instantly and put the user on status without his/her knowledge immediately. Perhaps that constitutes as 'strict', I'd say it was just what any forum moderator was supposed to do: make a righteous unbiased judgement on posts and act according to that judgement.

More on topic though; I will try not to come across as a tutor, because I'm not. I was made a mod because Matt thought I was a civilized and respectable active member of the footytube society. No more, no less. I'm convinced the current mods are ALL of them very good picks: Pejvl is one of the Madridistas I respected most before he was made mod and (a common sight) he actually behaves even more exemplary now that he's a mod as well. And exactly because I think all the mods, even the ones from rival clubs (CHELSEA61, Pejvl), are doing a great job at remaining objective and polite, I do not know why you're asking this question, Zilch.

The mods are NOT at fault for the far too frequent debates about Messi and Ronaldo on our two fora, about the banter that grows out of control on the EPL fora or about spam. The way you guys deal with it is all that you can be blamed for. I understand some of the people's complaints that sometimes you are too strict, I even agree at times. But that doesn't mean they are right. If allowing some banter means it quickly spins out of control into flaming and angry users, it simply should NOT be allowed. When the users here can't act mature, they shouldn't be treated as mature people.

Personally, I'd love it if some banter was allowed. But: know your audience. Yesterday someone on the Chelsea forum posted the amount of trophies won by the major managers to showcase Mourinho's legacy. I posted Pep's stats (twice as many trophies a year as Mou) in the presumption that they'd understand it was to illustrate stats don't always paint the whole picture and that if they believed Mou was the best because of those stats they'd be wrong, but of course they all thought I was being rude even after I explained myself. Rude vote count up to 306 - booyah.

Footytube isn't a platform where the average user is intelligent and tolerant. It used to be on some pages when the community was smaller, but right now we are hardly different from goal.com users. Based on this, I would advocate a strict modding policy, because there simply are too many idiots, too many people who are quickly offended, too many very biased fans. Moderators can only be nice guys when the community is, and here, it is not. There is no room for friendly banter, unless it's made by a person who's respected by the vast, vast majority of that team's fanbase. Whenever I post on the Chelsea page (90% is praise for one of their players or a joke that's not offensive to them) they're all quick to jump me and somehow are able to twist my words into something offensive. It used to be different: scroll back to the first pages of any chat here, and you'll see I often joked around with any given fanbase, and they joked along with me. Now though, I have to consider every word I write in certain fora so as to not offend anyone. And on our own Barça page, I write scarcely little anymore, because long posts are ignored and the majority of the debates are hardly worth calling debates and even if they are, they're the same old same old.

Rant over, my point basically is that the mods ARE doing a good job and I would advise you guys to be even more strict with bad users BUT communicate well as to why you're doing what you do. When I was a mod, I proposed a system where as a mod you could give a user three 'strikes' and then he's perma-banned. I still think this would be useful: if a person doesn't learn from his mistakes and misbehaves all the time, he's not worthy to be part of our community. And finally: when you see a person saying he's disliking mod A or B because he's supposedly protecting his fanbase and being biased, say that you guys are fans in the first place, mods in the second. Because that's the truth.
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I just read the suggestion RealFan made below about being able to make some 'cheeky comments' on a clásico day. I have to say, I think Chelsea61 was wrong here. RF suggested being able to make cheeky comments, so friendly banter. Chelsea61 then says RF wants a license to troll instead. That's NOT what he said. On top of that, Chelsea61 makes a pretty smug remark by starting his post with 'Just another day for RealFan.' That's condescending and rude mate, although I understand why you'd write that.

I even think RealFan's suggestion *could* work, because right now we're at a point where making jokes about anything is questioned immediately and we'd need a permission to joke - ridiculous though it sounds. If everyone agrees it could be fun to poke our rivals in a friendly fashion, the old days of FootyTube could come back. However, since most members will still misinterpret these jokes, I think it would be unwise to tolerate them.

But, my point here is that RealFan, though he's not my best bud either, was a bit mistreated here for making a simple suggestion, in my humble opinion.
Well with regards to Chelsea61 vs Realfan earlier, it has been resolved with retractions on both sides, C61 for coming in a little hot and Realfan for taking it too far. It's more because we've had to be on high alert with Realfan the past few weeks, he stirred up some problems on the Chelsea forum so he painted a target on his own back but happily it's been resolved.

Thanks Jeroen, great post. I guess I'm asking because I want to improve both forums. I don't feel like I'm doing the wrong thing, I've always gone about my modding in a certain way without deviating. I basically just want to know how the regulars of the forum are feeling. I want to establish ground rules that allow the older members that I can trust, some leeway in terms of banter. You outlined the biggest issue that there are just too many jerks who won't respect this leniency and will abuse it. There are users like yourself, Slim, Dagaza, Tharius, Malik etc that I can generally trust to make some wisecracks and poke some fun without going too far and without taking the return serving to heart. For those users I will happily sit back and not interfere but atm, almost every joking thread that we let slide ends up in an argument, when either a rude idiot joins in or some fool gets overly sensitive. And of course we then get told we should've dealt with it, like the above comment I posted from Realfan suggests. So I'm too harsh if I get involved and if I don't I'm not enough of a badass lol...

But this is the kind of answer I was hoping for Jeroen, I want to hear from the regulars. I mean if they're happy with how it is then we'll keep attempting to put out the flames early but if they want some leeway to make banter, it's possible we can work something out, possibly through a trust system? For example a regular user is trusted to engage in harmless banter, until they start getting into arguments and then have to re-earn the privelage? The problem I basically see is that we have a fair few older users here who can dish it out and take it back without getting sensitive and angry but we also have a lot of newer users and some of the old ones, who like to piss off the other forum or get butthurt from the smallest of comments. This prevents the sort of leniency for the good users that I'm suggesting. For this kind of system to work though, there has to be definitive hardlines that users understand won't be tolerated and that they will have to constantly show that they deserve this privelage.

Bottom line is that both forums have to feel more inviting to an outsider, we simply cannot have users telling us they're worried about posting on the forum because of how people are spoken to. But I'm also interested in giving leeway to the regulars. Your thoughts guys?
You're very welcome, Zilch. Always love to help.

"And of course we then get told we should've dealt with it, like the above comment I posted from Realfan suggests. So I'm too harsh if I get involved and if I don't I'm not enough of a badass lol..."

This is exactly why I said you guys shouldn't doubt yourselves. Users (most of them) simply are egocentric and where you'll do good for one or more sets of fans, you'll do bad at the same time for others. It's like a well-meaning politician: every decision he has to take will be applauded by some (hopefully the majority) and questioned or criticized by others. All you can do is try to please the majority of the fans here. If that means offending some others, so be it. Collateral damage.

Your question what path you should take in regulating banter is actually the same thing RealFan suggested: why not tolerate some on a clásico day? Like I said before: I would love that, but I doubt it's still possible. I don't want to insult the new users, but in the past Footytube was a great platform for intelligent, long debates and the sly jokes that went with that. Now it's hardly more than a youtube comment section. And therefore I think the mods should be even stricter, deleting posts whenever they think it's right and severely warning the user or outright banning him if it needs to be done. The only issue here is that ALL mods need to have the same idea about what crosses the line and what does not. And that's a tough cookie: in my days we had debates about it too. Some mods will be offended by someone like me saying 'f*****g' during a game where I'm not happy with something, others will be like me and tolerate a bit of passionate swearing.

Personally, I think the debate where the mods should draw the line is one for the mods alone, not for the masses here.
Well all this was brought up earlier on between the mods and we agreed to sling around ideas till we're all on the same page so all this feedback helps. I tend to agree that we're best off pleasing the majority of regulars and annoying the rest. So far only 1 user has had to be banned for this to work but I'm sure a few others may follow. I completely agree about what you said concerning the old days, I don't comment anywhere near as much these days because of it. I think el classico banter would be a bit of a stretch atm given the amount of anger from the side that loses. I actually always hope for a draw so I don't have to deal with the aftermath lol :)

Regarding swearing on game day, it's gonna happen. The good part is that pages move damn fast and it's rare that people will even notice I removed their colourful comments. My general rule is that swearing is ok to an extent. If you have more swear words than normal words in your post, don't expect it to not be deleted.

Regarding your last line, I basically just want to hear what the regulars are thinking, give them a chance to vent a bit etc and ultimately, determine from this what the majority of regulars are happy with, before beginning a counsel with the other mods and setting our agreed standard.

Edit: Damn this crazy Australian timezone. Gtg sleep but I will read every comment made when I wake up so please, continue to post your opinions guys, this is in the interest of improving your home forums for you.
I also encourage all the regular users form Madrid and Barcelona pages to voice their general opinions on this matter.It would make things a lot easier if we knew what the majority of this forums want,what kind of environment and mostly where do you think the line should be drawn? Also,thanks for the kind words Jeroen :)
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Again, happy to help both of you. I respect the decisions to let the regulars of FT voice their opinion Zilch, but I still think you guys know best what to do. Behind the screens there are other factors to consider, factors most of us don't know. You guys know what users actually have duplicate accounts, are formerly banned members and so on. So deciding to ban a member who seemingly was an OK person, might seem harsh to us, but I know there's always more than reason enough to ban someone when you guys do pull the trigger.

Good luck with this, I'm sure everyone will appreciate being asked what you guys think you should do as mods.
I`m all for making some of the older users ambassadors or mod helpers or whtever you call them more responsible for their respective forums - would be good to have 1-2 senior users dedicated to keeping it civilised (RM fans watching out for RM page - Barca fans watching for their own etc.) - so that the freedo of speech is valid but there is someone to help mods delete some comments or report abusive users.
Ooo finally a topic I like! Will post my suggestions once I'm at work!
Its obvious Zilch you care about what the site represents and for good reason mate, I see the same media outlet where you can come together and voice your passion and love for the club you follow and only Footy fans understand what the game can bring to peoples lives and what makes the game the greatest one on earth.

Unfortunatly with that passion and love comes the negative aspects of life and with anything that brings out such desire to see the club you love on top also brings the resentment, vitriol and down right hatered for who you or OTHERS have told you is your enemy. ( Unfortunatley violence has long history in the game we love, because of political or geographical differences all to known around the world)

And a simple question made by a fairly new user on a board that many would say is your biggest rival was met with immediate reproach and invited others in mob like fashion to move in faster then they could type the words to call out TROLL, Here comes another Troll.

That was my experience many moons ago and because of that experience I have maybe posted on the Barca forum maybe a handful of times in the years I have been here. This is not to paint every Barca fan with the same brush because I have had some fantastic back and forths and some basic whats up man conversations with the likes of Jeroen and newer users like Andres201 wish there was just more and on the other side I have found it even harder to swallow when one of our own make inflammatory comments including myself. And am pretty dman proud that at least on our board there are quite a few Regular Barca users that comment and others from all clubs.

In the conversations Pejvl and myself have had our synergistic futbol views and how we share respect for this site is evident and am glad he was chosen as mod and we and other regulars clearly see the real challenge is to be as inclusive with fans of the other boards.

I am positive that without the barrier of our laptops many rival fans would find we probably share more in common with those who support other clubs then our own because in the end unless there is Chappie typing behind one of the monitors we are all footy people.

Thank you Zilch for bringing a deep and meaningful topic to the forefront and hoping that it may stir some to be more understanding and patient with others we share this space with, and speaking to the user that said this site seems like life to you, in a way it is, its a sub culture a microcosm of real life in a cyber world.
I think what you need is one community, not two. You can't have just the Barca fans on one page and Madrid fans on one, where's the fun? That's the point of Footytube, to meet different fans no? Basically the idea of regulars acting as de facto leaders is good. The ones who are experienced and are generally respected, need to step up and be leaders.

Also the point on banter. Banter is great but again, there's the chance of it being taken negatively. Users have to earn respect on forums, not make an account and the next day be making jokes about a team on their forum.

Other than that, good thread. Interesting to see if the La Liga forums will return to their former glory :P
This is really great feedback guys. This may sound a bit crazy but how does the idea of a separate "el classico" forum sound to you guys? It'd be a forum that can only be seen by those who've been deemed capable of having fun without taking it too far, in other words, entry via earning respect. A forum where banter is encouraged in exchange for keeping thr team forums clean of such arguments. Just a wild thought I had, feel free to shoot it down. I do agree however that far too many new users make accounts and stir up trouble, though some of the older users are also guilty.
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Dayum the most sensible conversation I have seen on Footytube in ages!

I like what Jeroen said: "Know your audience". That about sums it up when it comes to what's okay to say and what's not okay.
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Yep that's about the main thing. You have to be well respected to be 'bantering' around on rival forums and also criticise their team without getting hate for it. DaGaza did it a couple of days ago with Barca forum, it was hilarious. I've also had some very good conversations with users like Franky who a couple of months ago I wasn't so cool with. All about mutual respect.
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@Zilch

great idea! I guess anyone who's had an account for more than a year can post there. And we could have 2-3 "sub-mods" to control the chat when things get out of hand.
I don't comment that often but I enjoy little banter even if it is from the real fans. As long as its not personal it should be okay.
To that effect yeh. Newish members who are known to be solid would be allowed too, Danny414 springs to mind. The deal would be keeping these two forums clear of team trashing with the understanding that such comments will be removed. So essentially one place for team discussions and one place for having some fun. Anybody who fails to keep it lighthearted loses the privelage.
Just spitballing mind you, no guarantee of any of this, just generating ideas.
I wanna go toe to toe with slim ;) hahaha
So everyone agrees then, That maradona is better than pele? Good talk

Ive been here for years and been through it all. This is my second account, have been considered to be mod, have been warned for getting too hot in my debates.

Through all that the Mods have never really done anything too sketchy to not have any merit in their warnings. I like the honor system that pages have as well. If you make repeated comments that are valuable to the page, it helps the site grow and people respect their opinion. Same goes to the asshats that are repeat offenders, they get shunned.

The answer doesn't lie in Mods being good or bad but rather in users being worth listening to.
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Would users who support other teams be allowed on this hypothetical forum?
Assuming the regulars are familiar with them and get along.
Ronaldo the only player in La Liga to reach 30 goals in five separate seasons. #respect!

http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2015/03/another-record-for-ronaldo-30-goals-in-5-straight-la-liga-seasons
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Found this pretty hilarious.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=912833598748069
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Siiii

lol great vine


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Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
61
52
23
75
4
1
20
25
1
59
55
15
70
4
2
19
25
2
54
28
22
50
5
3
17
25
3
53
24
21
45
4
5
16
25
4
46
12
30
42
7
4
14
25
5
45
16
23
39
6
6
13
25
6
41
0
29
29
8
5
12
25
7
32
1
25
26
9
8
8
25
8
32
-4
36
32
11
5
9
25
9
30
-9
31
22
11
6
8
25
10
29
-15
43
28
14
2
9
25
11
27
-8
36
28
10
9
6
25
12
27
-9
34
25
12
6
7
25
13
26
-13
35
22
13
5
7
25
14
25
-18
38
20
12
7
6
25
15
24
-17
39
22
13
6
6
25
16
24
-23
45
22
13
6
6
25
17
22
-27
48
21
13
7
5
25
18
19
-24
40
16
12
10
3
25
19
18
-21
39
18
13
9
3
25
20
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UEFA Champions League Table

Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22

UEFA Champions League Table

Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
18
14
2
16
0
0
6
6
1
7
-1
8
7
3
1
2
6
2
5
-4
9
5
3
2
1
6
3
4
-9
14
5
4
1
1
6
4

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