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What a snooze fest that was. Thank God I missed it and only saw the highlights.

On another note, does anyone know when Khedira will be match-fit? I'm hoping we can use him for our game against Bayern. We need some steel in our midfield.
No attacking players bar Ba who came on in the 85th min and most here and around the world criticise a man who didn't have Hazard, Oscar, Eto'o. Should he have gone on all out attack get murdered and then do what at home for the fans??? I wonder if Real was facing this match without CR7 and Bale and we took a tentative approach towards Bayern and drew what would our fans + those around the world would have said in response.

Top coaches know what they DO and DO NOT have when facing a fellow strong team!!!!!
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Everyone is obviously singling Mourinho out for those boring tactics, but for me, both teams were crap. Neither team had invention nor the desire to attack, constantly worried about defence. Sure, defensive football wins titles, but it also puts people to sleep. The Chelsea Atletico game was horrid on so many levels, I just hope your game today will put this game to complete shame. Well it should anyway, it's not that hard to have a beter game than the one yesterday.
@Cap
Look, Bayern could have easily thrashed the Atletico team out there. Torres alone got past 2 or more players pretty easily. Had Chelsea pushed forward just a little more, a goal or 2 might have been possible. Likewise, Atletico. Had they pushed more players forward, they could have scored a goal or 2. But being worried defensively, they kept players behind.

You just can't deny both teams were crap, no matter how you look at it. Barca PSG might have resulted in a much better game imo.
Seriously. It's not that I like to see us play more defense but for a game like this, end result is much more important than playing "beautiful football".

I'm fed up with some non sense especially from Barca fans calling it "anti football". A lot of them already forgot that was the team that knocked them out 2 weeks ago. Look, the score 1-0 at Calderon Stadium, they couldn't score playing so 'beautifully' with their best player on the field. And they criticize us (without our best player) for not attacking enough.
With all the injuries, the line up was the only viable option. Hazard is still injured and Oscar has been really s**t lately. So there really is anyone else but that lineup sadly.

When you look at the bench, you would understand.

Schwartzer, Kalas, Schurrle, Ba, Van Ginkel, Oscar, Ake.

Kalas, Van Ginkel, Ake were never gonna play.

So we were supposed to see Schurrle, Ba, (maybe) Oscar late in the game. But we used first sub for Cech. And Terry getting injured limited the tactical options even more.

I think we might have tried 2 top striker better maybe 10 minutes before the match if Luiz was still playing at DM and not CB. Having Luiz play at CB was never the plan. Without him, Mikel and Lampard couldn't handle the speed so Ramires was playing even more defensively.
I guess that was indeed Mourinho's plan, but the players on the field had enough fire power to attack. Schurrle and Willian, had they pushed forward in support of Torres, might have breached the Atletico defence. It wasn't impossible, given that Torres had already made a nuisance of himself there. Plus, none of the Atletico players had remarkable speed. So, both these guys could have attacked and defended at the same time. It's just that, you could tell that both these guys were focused on defence, rather than to be slightly more balanced.
I agree that they could have done better. I don't know why. For these kinda game we needed 30 year old Drogba. He could have caused more trouble than Torres could have possibly done. He could hold on to the ball for at least 10-15 seconds until his teammates came for option.

And if Ramires had done better with that chance, I think the game would have been more interesting.
This is one looooong "debate" in our forum lol.
Arsenal and Chelsea fan going back and forth about the game between Chelsea and Atletico....and doing all that in Real Madrid forum.... abit odd, No? lol
Lets forget about Chelsea. Watch this video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0AHbuDIZXY&feature=youtu.be&a
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Let's just hope Pepe doesn't try that on Mandzukic
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Ok, I know we are rivals in all, but can you and Bayern make tomorrow match exciting? Please, I'm still a fan of the game, I want to be able to see some great football played, even if my rivals do prevail. I don't know, todays was pretty boring to be honest.
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Don't worry. We won't have 11 men in the box. Carlo and Pep aren't classless managers.
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Thank you :P I better see some exciting football tomorrow, or im coming back here!!!
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Guys quick question. how funny would it be. Athletico go to penalty against chelsea. and courtois makes Athletico wins by catching 3 penalties?
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Guys u have to understand something, i am not a fan of mourinho but he is a very good, very good tactician. u shouldn't make ur comments only based of today game. Atheltico Madrid scored in all their matches in the CL, mourinho knew that by opening, Athletico would scored and park the bus in london. since they have the 2nd best defense in europe they could easily maintain a 1-0 lead. Moreover mourinho's best player of the season and his champions league scorer are both injured (Hazard,eto). Plus chelsea is playing liverpool this coming weekend for the title race which chelsea can still win mathematically. So saying mourinho was stupid or his strategy wasn't a good isn't smart. Wait and see next week. i can bet everything that mourinho isn't going to park the bus. it is going to be an interesting game but i am sure chelsea will go through. the lost at home the other week. the first time after 77 games.
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^^^I dont blame Mou at all for the tactics he used today, LOL boring game though hell ya!

You notice the people who blame Mou or Chelsea for ruining that game are the people who hate Mou and anything Mou touches more then life itself, with a few of our own adversaries mixed in who would love to see us open up so as to play right in the hands of a possession based side...lol

Why dont we all not worry about how Chelsea and how Real Madrid should play tomorrow so its exciting for the fans and let the two teams do the talking on the pitch tomorrow.
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Sometimes I feel like other clubs adopt a similar defensive approach, but that Chelsea just look unattractive doing it, and because of it they receive criticism and abuse. I've seen Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund, very exciting sides according to many neutrals, who would adopt similar approaches as to the one Chelsea would adopt (of course, with a few minor alterations), and they generally receive praise.
Mourinho is like the joker. H doesnt play by anyones rules and doesnt care what anyone thinks. He will say one thing and do another. Also he is very very clever
http://giant.gfycat.com/BetterWaryConey.gif

And this is what cost us the loss. A stupid dive.
I want to ask u guys a question. I only want honest answers. otherwise please don't answer. If real win 2-0 tomorrow and decide to park the bus just as mourinho did today and go to the final. Would any of you complain about it?
If we had to play with 10 defenders and a GK to reach the finals I'm ok with that. That's still fair play, at least we don't tell our players to go out there and dive like dolphins and cheat our way through out the campaign.
plus most of the complains and whining are coming from barca fans, it's funny to see Mazza making a comment the other days saying we're obsessed with Xavi when we made a post about Xavi while their forum including himself celebrate Chelsea loss and cry during their wins, every single Chlesea match so far this season.
I wouldn't complain, but honestly I can't see Madrid parking the bus no matter the score
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There's a difference between parking the bus and playing counter attack.

When you park the bus, you have no intentions of attacking. You put every men, except for the striker, behind the ball. When you get it, just kick it as hard as you can and HOPE your striker gets the ball and draws a foul.

When you play counter attacking football, your defenders don't go up along with your CDM. When you get the ball, you pass to your wingers and usually around 3-4 join them and attack the other team.
Hm... well the bar is set pretty low. Let's not do a repeat of that ;-). Good luck!
+2
well knowing Pep.. i know what he will be bringing. it just might be worse than today if you guys keep passing for 20 minutes in ur own half
...we just might also see some new acting careers spring up tomorrow.
+8
You probably arent aware that PEPs teams spend the most amount of time in the opponents half. The heat maps for all their games show overloaded players within 25 yards of the box. This idea that PEPs teams pass the ball back for long periods of time is grade A nonsense and statistically and factually incorrect.
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As long as u dont do a Chelsea tomorrow it will be a good game
+2
with the way bayern keep the ball.. i think its pretty evident we will defend ourselves when we dont have the ball and attack when we do... whether we pull a chelsea or not will depend on how long your team keeps passing the ball around the pitch... because once u dont have the ball, i see no reason to abandon the defense :/
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Agreed. It's recklessness, not bravery, to continue pressing aimlessly when your opponents are not only adept at keeping possession, but will do so with the intent of tiring you out.

Defend collectively when without the ball, press during opportune moments, and counter when an opportunity presents itself. Play with discipline, patience, and camaraderie.
@fingers...

yh, but his centerbacks always create more passes and have the highest passing accuracy than any other team.

whether its in the opponents half or in their own half it doesn't really matter; fact is they keep passing a lot repeatedly and that makes the game boring..

if you want the perfect way to pass the ball and not make it look boring, watch swansea city of last season under laudrap especially at the start of the season.. not peps teams.
Worst CL Semi finals ever. So boring...
+6
I really forgot who the underdogs are in this game...
not sure whats wrong with chelsea playing the way they played... it was a boring match but atleti hardly had any chances at home soil, where their only their only plan was to cross the ball and it wasn't working even a bit until the moment terry left the field..... now chelsea have it all up to them at home..... what so wrong with that? some of u are beginning to sound like some of those barca fans going around in the last years

EDIT: this is suppose to go under Realfan's comment.. dont know whats wrong with the site
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Love it or hate it, it gets the job done.

Edit: Exactly DaGaza, its a fair tactic that wins you games. Atletico were limited and Chelsea were solid. With the way the crosses were coming in I thought it was Dani Alves, none of them were working.
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0-0.. i wonder who is the smart one now
+1
The sad part is, the Chelsea fans don't mind playing like this. I bet if they play with 8 defenders again at home, the fans won't mind unless they win.

This is why I'm glad we have a manager that has class.
@Realfan

yh right... like class wins you titles.

i am very happy for mourinho and his boyz. 2 d end of the day, he is well on his way to a UCL finals.

i really don't care how they did it as long as it was not by playing dirty.. 11 defender, i don't care... atletico didn't get a real threatening chances and they were denied in their own home..

now its left to chelsea players to capitalize on the home game and win for a ticket to the finals
+6
And the mad EX-Chelsea fan continues his rants against his supposedly former club lol.
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I see it this way, Chelsea are just looking to win titles which is fine by all means. But they aren't looking to be the best in the world. If any of the other 3 teams win, we could say they have been the best but I'm not sure anyone can say that about Chelsea.
@DaGaza, you know whats wrong with the way Chelsea are playing? Mourinho has Brazil's number 10 on the bench. He has Willian playing as wing back. He has Ramires, Luiz, Lampard and Mikel in the mid field. How can any football fan be okay with a team that plays with 8 men IN THEIR OWN BOX, and have 2 players up top for the counter?

Some call Mourinho a genius for this, but actually, a new born baby would know if you put 8 men behind the 6 yard line then you are most likely not going to concede.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I hope Costa uses his dog like attitude in the return leg and get in the Chelsea players head so they make silly mistakes...because that's the only way you can beat a side that plays with 8 defenders.
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And you know what upsets me the most? Most Madrid fans here are okay with the way Chelsea played today. Come on guys...
+1
exactly realfan.. and it worked... why did it not work for us when mourinho was our coach??

now this is where i find fault with some of our players for clearly not playing according to mourinho's strategy and disputing the managers decision

2. even brazil's no. 10 will understasnd that if he has to stay on the bench to give his team the victory in the finals.. then the sacrifice will be worth it if it pays off.

you probably have a personal hate towards mourinho cos when di Matteo put everyone to defend against barca and bayern and played drogba as DM, many of you didn't complain but hey mourinho is an idiot for taking a line out of his own play book
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@Cjayzz Atletico couldn't capitalize on their chances because they had no chances...because Chelsea had their whole team in the box! You could have Bale, Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho, Pele, Zidane in one team but if the other team has their whole starting 11 in the box there's nothing you can do.

@Success the reason I'm an EX-Chelsea fan is because of Mourinho. As soon as that guy leaves I'm back. And besides, don't judge me...your team just had 11 men in the box...
you know whats funny? everyone has been praising Atelti this entire season but thats exactly how they play.... "a team that plays with 8 men IN THEIR OWN BOX, and have 2 players up top for the counter?"

Atelti's pressure is a lot more intense but when the opposition are past the front line the entire team falls back and costa alone remains in attack while u will find Turan and Koke on the edge of the box... they play that way with EVERYBODY... not only big teams but everybody in la liga... only 4 days ago elche experienced what atelti experienced today... i would us to keep a clean sheet against bayern in Germany.. be it with 8 or 10 players in the box
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God, this site is making it hard to keep up with this argument,

Anyways...

@Cjayzz, the reason Mourinho couldn't play with 11 defenders at Madrid is because here we have players and fans that don't want to play that formation. We want attractive football with good results. The fans would Boo him when ever we played boring football, the players would give him attitude and wouldn't listen and the media would eat him alive when he did so.

I actually do have a personal hate for Mourinho. Who wouldn't when he takes over 2 of your favorite clubs and makes them play like animals (Madrid) or scared pussy cats (Chelsea)
@DaGaza you legend. Finally some common sense. People forget that the game is played over two legs.
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@DaGaza, I'm surprised to hear that from a Brazilian.

Let me ask you something, and I won't be surprised if you didn't give an honest answer. How did you feel about Dunga's Brazil team in the 2010 World Cup? He played defensive football and it drove me insane! (Even though the team was built around Kaka :P)
Its always interesting to hear the argument that the burden of unlocking a static defense lies on the opposing team. There is nothing wrong in playing any strategy but let's stop this bs about tactics. How about every manager out there goes: I'm going to follow the footsteps of the master tactician and play for a draw. Let's have every game where one team filled with world class internationals just stand around creating a wall. Let's celebrate that as amazing defense. I'm sure UCL viewership will sky rocket with all teams playing like the master. It's one thing to accept it as a way to win and another to call mou "smart" or a master for doing this.
i loved dunga's brazil Realfan

we have spoken about that before bro... i know u disliked him mostly for him not taking ronaldinho to the world cup... but thats what i loved about him... he put order in the dressing room and made sure that players like Adriano and ronaldinho didnt get into the team because they didnt deserve to...

i dont get why its so hard for people to see that Dunga was a success in the national team... didnt lose a game in Brazil, made it first to the world cup in the qualifications, with the competition's top scorer... won the south american cup, with the top scorer and the best player in the tournament and won the confederations cup in south africa... the only thing he failed to win was the world cup and they sacked him..not because he didnt do well with the national team, but because they wanted to sack him for years and they had no reason to because he was doing so well... they wanted to sack him because he picked players himself and didnt listen to the board when they wanted names like neymar, ronaldinho, adriano, ganso while dunga opted for much better options like luiz fabiano, robinho, elano, michel bastos etc.... he may have taken out some of that classico samba style brazil has shown over the years but he won 3 out of 4 titles while playing convincingly... whats there not to like?
+1
Guys u have to understand something, i am not a fan of mourinho but he is a very good, very good tactician. u shouldn't make ur comments only based of today game. Atheltico Madrid scored in all their matches in the CL, mourinho knew that by opening, Athletico would scored and park the bus in london. since they have the 2nd best defense in europe they could easily maintain a 1-0 lead. Moreover mourinho's best player of the season and his champions league scorer are both injured (Hazard,eto). Plus chelsea is playing liverpool this coming weekend for the title race which chelsea can still win mathematically. So saying mourinho was stupid or his strategy wasn't a good isn't smart
+1
Mourinho was signed to do one thing - win. It is not like Real Madrid where you're in danger of being sacked for adopting a disciplined and meritocratic system just because a few ego's find it troublesome.

In football, the aim is to win. You do so by playing to your team's strengths (understood by the manager more than anyone) and capitalize on your opponents weaknesses.

If his tactics disinterest neutrals that much, they can treat their 'anti-football syndrome' by an effective therapeutic process called turning the television/stream off.

And a message to Madridista's: don't develop a superiority complex, and don't take the clubs resources for granted. Not every football club has the resources to play an effective, attacking football style with the world's best players. Real Madrid have it easy. Others don't. And even then, it seems Real Madrid plays best when they set up 2 banks of 4 - Benzema situated further up the field to dictate their counters.
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"In football, the aim is to win."

True but the Mourinho from a few days ago would disagree with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-WDZikiXhQ
@DaGaza, there were many reasons why I didn't like Duga's Brazil. But the number one reason was his play style. Brazil is known for their beautiful attacking football, and he did the exact opposite!

Oh and how did his beloved Melo do in the world cup? If my memory stands correct, he cost us the world cup with his own goal and childish red card.
You see? that's the problem.. Everyone only remembers melo and dunga for not winning the World Cup but melo was also there when they made it first in the qualifications... Melo was also there when they won the copa America and melo was also there when they won the confederations cup... No one ever mentions that
you guys ready for tomorrow?
you have no idea
we both gonna bring some football to the CL semis :)
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