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@Hunsijoo

What you need to do is stop mixing the moral issue with the financial viability of renewing Cristiano Ronaldo. I can see you like to mix both things on purpose to take the argument wherever you like depending on how things are going for ya.

If you have moral objections to renewing Ronaldo then thats perfectly understandable. Get on your soapbox and start mobilising the masses.

But stop quoting ridiculous numbers that you know nothing about or questioning whether Ronaldo is benefitial for Madrid finacially. Thats beyond a doubt.

I'll give you an example. When he signed with RM in 2009, along with Kaka, Florentino was able to renew all the contracts with all the Club official sponsors at a higher rate. He increased the club's revenue by 30%. We're talking about 100 million euros. From 400m to 500m without even playing a single match.

Just having him on squad gives the club more leverage when negotiating with present and future club sponsors. So if say, hypothetically speaking, Toyota wants to become an official sponsor of the Club instead of paying 15 million per year they would have to pay 25 million just because Ronaldo is on the squad.

And thats just one aspect of it. Then theres merchandising, what Ronaldo gives the club with his own sponsorship deals etc. And thats off the pitch. On the pitch I think the numbers speak for themselves.

p.s. Messi costs Barcelona 25 million per year not 20 million. He pays 52% in taxes which leaves him with 12.8 million net approx and Barca have to pay the rest in taxes.
@slim. i have a wall you can post on if you want. this page is actually for everyone. I AM NOT the one selling Ronaldo. ok. i told my opinion and i am fine if you dont agree with me. i guess everyone has their opinion and yes you and real fan both have a point which helps me too and adds something to my knowledge. thank you.

jUST reread what you and real fan had to say. i have no answer to you or realfan. you are both right, i was wrong. lets renew ronaldo give me whatever he wants. club will benefit. we are on our way to the 10th with this contract. RIGHT ON!!!
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2013/06/18/4055964/real-madrid-offer-world-record-155m-deal-to-keep-cristiano

Its goal.com,but still i think cr7 deserve this n catch the deal..
I'm sursprised noone mentioned anything about Paulinho on here today. He's supposedly in 'talks' with our club.

That would be a smart move though, or atleast smarter than Kondogbia, since they are in the same scope.

He's an excellent box-to-box midfielder, and particularly good at defending set pieces. Having Modrić surrounded by Paulinho and Khedira in our midfield next season would be very efficient.
@Hunsijoo I read your post on Ronaldo a couple of days ago and I'd like to give my opinion.

You said giving Ronaldo a contract renewal is a big mistake. How so? Because he will earn more money? This guy has scored more goals than hes played games for Madrid. How many players in the history of football can say that? Not that many. Ronaldo has scored us vital goals and has always turn up in the Clasico. He's won us games single handedly and carried us on his back last season. If it weren't for Ronaldo, we would have been fighting for top 4 in La Liga and out of the CL before the Round of 18.

Over the past 4 years Ronaldo has grown into a leader and figure at Madrid. Even though he hasn't wore the captain arm band alot, most Madrid players looked to him for giudice when things weren't going right on the field. We had our leader, captain and fighter Casillas on the bench so when things started to get heated up on the pitch who did the players look to? That's right, Ronaldo.

First season he played 35 games and scored 33.
Second season he played 54 games and scored 53 goals.
Third season he played 55 games and scored 60 goals.
Fourth season he played 55 games an scored 55 goals.

All together he played 199 games for Madrid and has scored 201 goals...

Off the field, Ronaldo has repaid his 80mil euro price tag on the first DAY. His jersey sales along got us like 200mil euros in the first year and every year since its been really high. Imagine how much money we would loose just on jersey sales if we sold Ronaldo...


Ronaldo the most profitable player in Real Madrid’s history

Publicity revenue is shared between Real Madrid and the Portuguese company Gestifute which manages Ronaldo’s image. Cristiano, 24, has definitively dethroned David Beckham, 34,as the world’s icon in football publicity and could be making up to 200 million Euros per year in publicity contracts in the coming years, reports the Spanish sports magazine As, quoting Real Madrid sources.

http://en.mercopress.com/2009/12/30/ronaldo-the-most-profitable-player-in-real-madrids-history

Personally I think Ronaldo deserves everything he is asking for. More money? He deserves it. More of his image rights? He deserves it. Wants more respect? He sure damn as hell deserves it!
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first of all you are wrong about one thing. we earned his money after 6 years. i am not even counting 100 million on salary to him. i am not saying that ronaldo has not been amazing but that there is limit to how much money single player should be given. spain is in economical crisis and this deal is a slap on the face to help the economy.
this just my opinion and if you feel he deserves the money then good.
you might want to take into consideration that we will be paying him 31 million at the age of 34.

next thing you kknow other player will demand more just like clubs do
well then, is ronaldo demanding anything? should he demand a lesser salary for his next contract?
I think by the time he reaches 32 an MLS/Chinese/Russian/Arab team would've already bought him, but the man is at his prime , letting him go is a huge mistake, unless you're gonna cash big money on him, I'm talking no less than 80 mill.
in my opinion it would be a HUGE mistake if you guys let him go. He is one of the best players out there. I don't think many people could do what he has done for you guys in the past couple years.
How reliable is that figure offered in the new contract? It doesn't sound realistic or necessary. If it is true then it might not be an 'appropriate' figure given the current economic climate in Spain but then again it is Cristiano who we want to keep.
RealFan is right, he sums it up perfectly. Ronaldo is the foundation of present day Real Madrid, we need to keep him and pay him more.

Ronaldo is on the fast-track to becoming the next club icon. In the future when someone thinks of Real Madrid legends they will say: Di Stéfano, Puskás, Gento, Butragueño, Hugo Sánchez, Raúl, Ronaldo.

But, if he were to leave the club this summer this would not come to fruition. He knows it too. His desire is to become our next legend, and do not hold it against me that I am ungrateful or unaware of his current status, so surely Pérez will do whatever he can to see that day. He'll stay atleast until he's 30.
This three month long wooing of Gareth Bale is staring to bug me, management are acting as if he is the president of Spain or something. Oh he's prefect for this club, he was born to play here, we are keeping the number 11 for him, whatever it takes to sign him, blah blah blah. If the boy wants to come he can come but this buttering up of Gareth Bale is rubbing me the wrong way.
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^^^Dont worry Jigsawill, it will all come together very soon, in all fairness we had to give PSG the time to find a new coach it was the honorable thing to do and it seems the wait is coming to its conclusion as I posted down below. Either way lets not only focus on Bale there other pieces just as important if not more important to our team, and I have faith in what will come, if not I will be the first to lose my s**t.:)lol

Better news is that Morata has been confirmed and so has Nacho, and after the World Cup U20 so will Jese lets look forward to these moves for now.
I don't think Zidane is helping the situation ether. Every time he talks to the media he has something good to say about Bale. Did he ever think about how much Bale's price has risen over the past few weeks after Zidane made it clear Madrid will do what ever it takes to sign him?
realfan i agree that zidane has not helped
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All of a sudden Zidane is to blame when we dont even know if we will land Bale this season and for how much!!!!!

Wow lets live up to the Madrid stereo types why dont we.
we are tearing s**t up here in brazil! i hope the players dont get affected by everything going on... the madrid players in particular :p
are you from brazil?
how do people feel about the world cup? i thought they loved world cup
apparently it's the government's waste and abuse of resources that is offending the people of brazil.

i read about rioting and stuff like that, with signs saying "your child is sick? take him to the stadium!" because people are upset millions are wasted on these stadiums while basic essential things like hospitals are not being fully financed.

is there any fear of people boycotting the games as well?
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^ right now.. we could give a sh*t about the games man... confederations is not a big deal to us anyways...

the new maracanan stadium (mexico vs italy) was only reformed and the price they used to only reform the stadium could have built two more of the same staidium.... instead of getting us schools, giving us education which like the one they have in the states, europe, asia (japan, china) they waste the money, make the country look like a first world country but keep the people in the same misery... we have the sixth most powerful economy in the world and this is not seen by the people... it certainly doesn't reflect in the people's lives.

despite all that happening the final straw was the government's decision to increase taxes and to increase transport expenses twice in a week in order to pay off the expenses for the confederations cup and world cup.... that pissed too many people off and what was meant to be a simple little riot turned into something big when the police decided to begin hitting the people protesting.. that fired the entire country up and now every state has more than 100 thousand people protesting.... thats without mentioning those protesting in the states, and multiple other countries in europe.

we love football but that wont get us an education and people cant take their kids to doctor neymar when they get sick can they? the money used to reform maracanan could have built over 255 hospitals.... something brazil desperately needs.
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Heres a link about your topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?client=mv-google&gl=CA&hl=en&v=ZApBgNQgKPU&sns=tw&nomobile=1
wow, sounds like the situation is on knife edge.. i wasn't aware of the recent increase in taxes, no wonder the riots have increased!

how do the people want the government to resolve the financial situation?
LATEST REPORTS: Sky Sport Italia reporting Capello signed a 1 year contract with PSG, freeing the road for Ancelotti to arrive in Madrid until Wenger their main target becomes available next season.

Could the saga finally be over????

http://www.football-italia.net/35487/capello-psg-ancelotti-madrid

And to put to rest the Morata mini saga, and I quote,

" The President called me after the match and he told me that next season you are staying with us, and he is very proud and happy with me"

NUff said, Hala Madrid!!!!

http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/06/19/primera/1371595004_153096.html



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I saw that on many footballing sites and I think its finally over! Madrid get the coach they want and PSG get the high profile coach they are looking for to keep the ego in the dressing room in order.

I read somewhere that the news will be official by Wednesday (tomorrow)

I also read that he will only sign a one year deal because they will sign Arsene the following season.
Where have you beern Realfan???lol I sure hope this is over, I dont think many Madridistas on here can take this much longer...lol
I've been busy with exams but I have a little breathing space now!
INTRO OF Illarramendi

Illarramendi is a modern holding midfielder who can tackle, intercept, move, pass and head the ball.

Sounds basic, sure, but few players boast a more complete skillset than this man when it comes to doing his job.

He shields his back four perfectly, patrolling the deeper areas and sticking a foot in when needed. His identification process is excellent, shifting wide at the right times and tracking attacking runs with aplomb.

When he needs to, he can put in a real cruncher of a challenge.

In possession he's superb too, and doesn't hinder his side like many holding midfielders do by recycling pointless passes to his full-backs and midfield partner; Illarra is adept at moving the ball between the lines, forcing positive passes through into tight spaces.

It's in this aspect he is most akin to Busquets, who also excels at playmaking from deep.

Illarra is perhaps not as mobile as you would like—he's more muscular than your average player his age and actually looks a little like Francesco Totti in his running style and speed.

But his superb awareness and positional sense allows him to pull the strings deep in midfield, combining the opportunistic tackling of Busquets and the tracking of Sven Bender.

this is not my writing. i actually read this and copy pasted it for you guys. :-)
the actual writer is Sam tige
These explanations match Alonso. And it depends on what you mean by 'play making' from deep when you mention it with Busquets. I don't really see Busquets as the same type of deep-lying play maker as Llarramendi or Alonso, who are both excellent deep-lying play makers due to their wide range of vision for both short and long passing.

Even your last point would describe Alonso well,

"But his superb awareness and positional sense allows him to pull the strings deep in midfield..."

A general differentiation would be that Busquets is more conservative whereas Alonso and Llarramendi can be more dynamic in their roles - and they are a lot more active than Busquets too.
trust me busquests is very much active every second. i dont know where you are getting alonso from. alonso is pure defensive deep lying playmaker. who does not concern so much about the defending and does not move about much. while Illarramendi really is more similar to busquets in every aspect
Alonso moves around as much as Busquets, if not more, because of his more active role on our squad. The same can be said for Llarramendi as well.

How can Alonso be a "pure defensive deep lying playmaker" but not concern himself with defending? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading a stat that claimed Alonso recovered the most balls in the 2011/2012 season than any other player (or midfielder). He's quite good defensively and your description of Busquets "...his superb awareness and positional sense..." is why Alonso is a good defender as well. His reading of the game allows him to defend just as well.

This is what I wrote below on a bit about why I think Llarramendi is more like Alonso,

"My comparison to him is because of their similarity in power, physical prowess, great long ball distribution (as well as short), and playing a significant role in maintaining the team's structure - akin to an engine. He's also the player that transitions the team from defense to attack whenever on a counter much the same way Alonso does."
white i dont not know how to connivence you lol.

he moves left to right of the pitch to make space smaller for opposition. he plays very similar role to busquets. he is given the exact role on the team. his movement and passing are similar. the fact that he has been playing busquets role this tournament.
Congratulations to our young Madridista's for successfully winning the U21 European Cup! Morata played a significant role in the Euro's despite being second choice to former Fabrica product, Rodrigo, by scoring 4 goals (Pichichi) and assisting twice.

Carvajal and Nacho only participated in 1 match against the Netherlands, but played a whole 90 minutes and kept a clean sheet in their 3-0 win over the Oranje.



Speaking of young Spaniards, rumor has it that Malaga and Real Madrid have almost come to terms with Isco's transfer. The fee is reported to range around 22 million with a loan move back to Malaga for a season. I'm assuming this is so Isco can return to the Bernabeu with Kaka exiting.

Makes sense since Isco is concerned with play time.

Other rumors suggest that there's almost an agreement between 22 million plus a player. Real Madrid want to offer Denis Cheryshev, but Malaga are supposedly pushing for Morata.

Either way, it will come down to whether Isco will want to sign for us. The clubs can come to terms if they want, but the final decision rests on Isco. Let's hope he chooses us.

In other news, Nacho is reportedly set to extend his contract for another 4 seasons.

Morata would like to continue with the first team, and even Perez has encouraged it, but he has threatened to leave if the club brings in a superstar striker. Morata is currently 20 years of age, and not getting enough play time can stun his development in this critical period of growth for him.
personally i dont want isco at madrid if the manager wont be able to offer him regular football. loan seems a great idea then. getting games is very imp for him.

how do you add images over here
Embedding images are one of the perks of being a mod. ;)

Isco should definitely come. I feel he'd get more play time under us, and in an environment that suits him better too. Let's be real here, Isco's as good a player as Callejon and Kaka at this moment in time. He'd have no trouble getting minutes over them in my opinion.

His only real challenge would be to compete with both Ozil and Di Maria. Now, if Di Maria cannot regain the form he had in the 2011/2012 season before his unfortunate injury, Isco will eventually make that wing his own.

He isn't naturally a RW, and when he does play on the wing it's usually the left, but with players like Modric and Ozil by his side, he'll get a better feel for that position and adapt more quickly. He has a tremendous understanding of the game and with Ozil and Modric complimenting his abilities, he'd have little trouble getting used to playing in the RW.

Carvajal was my first choice, Isco is my second, and Jese is my third. I guess Casemiro is a bonus, but these are the signings I want the club to make.

I want Isco to be our next signing, and soon after, the official announcement of Jese's promotion.
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ok white please here me.
if we play isco in our formation in di maria position our formation and tactics would go all wrong. when ronaldo cuts inside marcelo usually runs forward to maintain the width of our attack. but dimaria does not cut inside and stay outside to maintain the width because arbeloa does not come forward. if we play isco he obliviously will cut inside because he is not a true winger. we will lose our width instantly. the opposition defense will shift and close us down very fast.
the solution could be to play carvajol and ask him to run forward but then we would be left be venerable defense.
Di Maria seems like he isn't really a bright player, especially when it comes to decision making. If he's able to maintain the width of our field and stick to the tactics that are laid down on him by the manager, why can't I believe Isco can do the same?

Isco's not dumb. He'll follow the manager's tactics as best he can. In the case that he does cut inside, he can temporarily have Ozil cover his position if Ronaldo and Marcelo's movements make it difficult for Carvajal to maintain the width on our right flank.

Isco is an intelligent player. He seems like he can adapt to different systems, and his versatility helps in that regard. I'm sure Ancelotti will look to field our squad differently than that of Mourinho, and a player with the intelligence and understanding of Isco should find it less difficult than others to adapt. He isn't one-dimensional either, which is a big plus over someone like...Bale.
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isco would be an amazing add to the team but the important thing is let the manager decide if he has a plan for him. because not playing him or playing out of position will ruin his carrer and there is no point in that. lets see what the new manger has to say.

as for diaria yes he has had a bad season but selling him now would bring us no money for his value and he might just start again. remember the whole team has a bad season. isco might seem great but we do not want to change the starting 11 all over again. as this might lead to unstable season.
I have no intention of getting rid of Di Maria at this time. Nor do I plan on making many changes to the starting 11. Actually, I only plan on having Carvajal replace Arbeloa - the rest should stay the same except maybe have Modric start over Alonso a bit more frequently.

If Isco comes, than I expect him to eventually take over a role over Di Maria. So that's like 3 changes, sort of.
lol you are forgetting a new striker too. which is probably going to happen

4 changes. but i dont expect arbeloa to jus give up his position and alonso too.
so kinda 2 changes
1 real change actually. Alonso and Arbeloa are likely going to keep their places for a little while longer, but I still think Di Maria will be pushed from the starting 11 by Isco a lot sooner than Modric over Alonso, and perhaps Carvajal over Arbeloa.

As for the striker, I find it difficult to see any striker starting over Benzema when we have a player like Ronaldo 'running the show'.
our summer transfers will tell the full story of next year. but i feel it really depends on what Ancelotti would do tactically. modric cannot replace alonso they are not the same players.
Modric and Alonso aren't exactly the same, but we don't need to replace Alonso with a player that is exactly like him. That will be almost impossible for us since I fail to see an available player just like Alonso.

I think Modric can fill in to some extent so long as his partner is more defensively adept. Modric is as good going forward as Alonso is. My only concern with Modric is his ball distribution skills, but that can be worked on. Khedira and Modric could turn out to be a significant partnership in the future once Alonso hangs his boots.

For all we know, Ancelotti might opt to play with his favorite 4-3-3. There is no question that Modric would have to start in that middle 3 if this were the case.
yes the formation could change but then who will play the defensive midfielder role. only alonso fits the role.
If he goes to City, he'd have to compete with no one, he's gonna be the Hazard of City, Nasri is done, Barry is done, Sinclair is done, and Garcia is gonna remain a rotation player of Milner and Fernandinho, not to mention his salary is gonna be double what you're offering, and having Pelligrini there is definitely a good catalyst. I think you guys will probably be able to land Cavani, but as far as Isco goes, I think he's City bound.
Anyone else notice that Thiago was wearing Canales' (player that got injured during the group stage also a madrid player) shirt backwards for the celebration?
An immense performance, capped off by a grand gesture.

Good on Thiago. Speaking of Canales, quite a shame how his career has progressed so far. He was Spain brightest talent in his days at Racing, and coupled with a few serious injuries, he's not the same player at all. I remember watching a few of his Racing matches, and he was quite elegant with the ball. Was really fun to watch.
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ya i remember madrid and barcelona were after him very much. i think it was poor on our part too. we bought him but he never got any chances. add 6 month injury to his time with Valencia and his development has completely stopped. making a way back now seems impossible now. really it was such a bad move on our part
Well to be fair, he was injured under us at one point too. It was his first severe injury, and he was out for quite a while. Still though, he could have featured a lot more often. Especially since Kaka was injured during his time healthy as well.

Anyway, Valencia have already permanently signed him. I don't think we were looking to bring him back anyway.


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