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what do you mean by "we". you red devil.
REAL MADRID TRANSFER INTEREST 2013 (UPDATE):
Defenders:
Dani Carvajal - RB (Loaned Out) ---------► GREAT CHANCE
Stephan Lichtsteiner - RB (Juventus) ---------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Iñigo Martínez – CB (Malaga) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Midfield:
Isco - AM (Malaga) --------------► MAYBE
Geoffrey Kondogbia - DM (Sevilla) ----------► MAYBE
Gareth Bale - AM (Tottenham) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Marco Verratti - CM (PSG) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
İlkay Gündoğan - CM (Dortmund) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Arturo Vidal - DM (Juventus) ----------► NO CHANCE
Forwards:
Edinson Cavani - ST (Napoli) --------------► GOOD CHANCE
Robert Lewandowski - ST (Dortmund) --------------► NO CHANCE
Sergio Aguero - ST (Man City) --------------► NO CHANCE
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I said I would update after the CL final so here we go.
● Madrid want Vidal but reports are that the interest will lead to nowhere. Waste of time. Vidal does not want to go, Juventus be damned if they sell. Moving on from this one.
● Isco hasn't “SAID” anything that would lead me to believe that he personally prefers us to any other club at this point. When asked by Spanish television channel Cuatro about joining us he said, "We’ll see, let’s see what happens." He has basically been saying that he is not involved in the whole process at all. He even said, “the press know more that I do… Fortunately, nobody knows what the future will bring." I think we are still in the drivers seat to sign him but it’s not enough to change from MAYBE.
● Real Madrid are reportedly going to make a great push to sign Bale and see if Tottenham will really turn down the money. Zidane will not stop talking about Bale. He is really trying to get the juices flowing on the transfer but Tottenham will only sell if Bale WANTS to leave. The British telecom company, BT, has acquired the rights to the Premier League for the next season, and by doing so, will offer a match on its programming every week, making it 38 in total. The icing on BT's cake is that they have also included none other than Gareth Bale in the deal, making him the central image of their campaign. If Bale leaves I would be shocked at this point guys. Gareth Bale will probably say whether he will stay or go soon though.
● Okay now for the fun part. I am willing to say that there is a GOOD CHANCE Edinson Cavani will be wearing the royal white next season. And it’s not solely because his father just said that he sees his son moving to Spain. It’s simply because Perez doesn't have a choice. Allow me to explain. Real Madrid management have made it clear Higuain will be sold. Perez wants to upgrade on the position obviously. So who is available, Aguero? NOPE! City have come out and said that the player will not be sold and Aguero has express his happiness at the club. Well what about Lewandowski? NOPE! After leading his players to CL victory today, Heynckes let the cat out of the bag. When asked about the state he is leaving Bayern he said, "We all know that (Mario) Goetze has already been signed and that Lewandowski will not have to wait too much longer. Then one has two more top players." Yep, like we all new Lewandowski wants to play for Bayern. So where does that leave us? Perez will aggressively go after Cavani.
Defenders:
Dani Carvajal - RB (Loaned Out) ---------► GREAT CHANCE
Stephan Lichtsteiner - RB (Juventus) ---------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Iñigo Martínez – CB (Malaga) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Midfield:
Isco - AM (Malaga) --------------► MAYBE
Geoffrey Kondogbia - DM (Sevilla) ----------► MAYBE
Gareth Bale - AM (Tottenham) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Marco Verratti - CM (PSG) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
İlkay Gündoğan - CM (Dortmund) --------------► SERIOUSLY DOUBT
Arturo Vidal - DM (Juventus) ----------► NO CHANCE
Forwards:
Edinson Cavani - ST (Napoli) --------------► GOOD CHANCE
Robert Lewandowski - ST (Dortmund) --------------► NO CHANCE
Sergio Aguero - ST (Man City) --------------► NO CHANCE
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I said I would update after the CL final so here we go.
● Madrid want Vidal but reports are that the interest will lead to nowhere. Waste of time. Vidal does not want to go, Juventus be damned if they sell. Moving on from this one.
● Isco hasn't “SAID” anything that would lead me to believe that he personally prefers us to any other club at this point. When asked by Spanish television channel Cuatro about joining us he said, "We’ll see, let’s see what happens." He has basically been saying that he is not involved in the whole process at all. He even said, “the press know more that I do… Fortunately, nobody knows what the future will bring." I think we are still in the drivers seat to sign him but it’s not enough to change from MAYBE.
● Real Madrid are reportedly going to make a great push to sign Bale and see if Tottenham will really turn down the money. Zidane will not stop talking about Bale. He is really trying to get the juices flowing on the transfer but Tottenham will only sell if Bale WANTS to leave. The British telecom company, BT, has acquired the rights to the Premier League for the next season, and by doing so, will offer a match on its programming every week, making it 38 in total. The icing on BT's cake is that they have also included none other than Gareth Bale in the deal, making him the central image of their campaign. If Bale leaves I would be shocked at this point guys. Gareth Bale will probably say whether he will stay or go soon though.
● Okay now for the fun part. I am willing to say that there is a GOOD CHANCE Edinson Cavani will be wearing the royal white next season. And it’s not solely because his father just said that he sees his son moving to Spain. It’s simply because Perez doesn't have a choice. Allow me to explain. Real Madrid management have made it clear Higuain will be sold. Perez wants to upgrade on the position obviously. So who is available, Aguero? NOPE! City have come out and said that the player will not be sold and Aguero has express his happiness at the club. Well what about Lewandowski? NOPE! After leading his players to CL victory today, Heynckes let the cat out of the bag. When asked about the state he is leaving Bayern he said, "We all know that (Mario) Goetze has already been signed and that Lewandowski will not have to wait too much longer. Then one has two more top players." Yep, like we all new Lewandowski wants to play for Bayern. So where does that leave us? Perez will aggressively go after Cavani.
I'm not too taken with the idea of Cavani. Higuain was a great poacher, Benzema is not, and neither is Cavani. Getting Cavani at the cost of Higuain will cost us a poacher. What's the point of having 2 technical strikers when a poacher is what we need. Ronaldo is going to be 29 next year, he can't go on forever, not getting a poacher is a really bad idea.
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@DerBomba Higuain isn't a "natural" poacher. He's just perpetually misused. Watch his form for Argentina, you'd be impressed what he can do when he isn't chained to the 6 yard box!
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^Well, but at least he's capable of playing as a poacher, which is more than what I can say of Benzema, Cavani or Aguero. Perez has definitely gotten the wrong idea in his head if he's looking for these types of strikers and Neymar, when he should be looking for a Van Nistelrooy type striker.
I understand the point your trying to make DerBomba but I don't think its valid. If you are saying that there is a substantial difference between the way Nistelrooy plays and how Cavani does I say your wrong. Cavani is a fantastic all around clinical stiker and we'd be lucky to have him. Technical skills, poaching, he's good on the counter the man has it all.
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Not exactly, every striker has a preference. Cavani's is to receive the ball and to go past people, Van Nistelrooy though was content to sneak up on defenders and ghost past them. That to me, is a mark of a true poacher, and Higuain has that. If we were to get Cavani, we should have offloaded Benzema instead. There way too many good technical strikers these days, but poachers are rare. Getting rid of Higuain is the biggest mistake and we will probably live to regret it. Especially when Ronaldo reaches the beginning of the end.
There's this kid I saw in Manchester United, I remember one of my friends saying that he would always score in a match he had come as a substitution he's a true Poacher.
Javier Hernandez
I can't think of any other pure poacher at the time Higuain looks like a starving poacher.
His positioning is better than both of our strikers, and so is his finishing and effectivity.
Doesnt have the biggest set of skills though.
Javier Hernandez
I can't think of any other pure poacher at the time Higuain looks like a starving poacher.
His positioning is better than both of our strikers, and so is his finishing and effectivity.
Doesnt have the biggest set of skills though.
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also aguero just signed a new contract at city. there really arent that many big name strikers available..unless you want to sign rooney :D
also is there any reason to believe ronaldo will either be signing a new contract or will be leaving? are madrid prepared to let him run his contract down to a year?
also is there any reason to believe ronaldo will either be signing a new contract or will be leaving? are madrid prepared to let him run his contract down to a year?
I have to say even though Bayern are dominating right now, no team has enamored me this season more than Borussia Dortmund.
What a fantastic football team, with fantastic players, fantastic fans and a fantastic coach playing some really beautiful, elegant football.
Even though Bayern won, no team played better football than Dortmund this season. IMO
Gotze, Lewandowski, Gundogan, Hummells, Reus. World class.
Klopp for president!!!
What a fantastic football team, with fantastic players, fantastic fans and a fantastic coach playing some really beautiful, elegant football.
Even though Bayern won, no team played better football than Dortmund this season. IMO
Gotze, Lewandowski, Gundogan, Hummells, Reus. World class.
Klopp for president!!!
@Slim We all have to chip in and get you a Canal+ subscription so you can watch La Real. Maybe tomorrow...?
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Actually man, no team played better football than bayern this season...
Dortmund played alright but nothing compared to bayern munich; this was tHeir season and they really capitalized on it.
Dortmund played alright but nothing compared to bayern munich; this was tHeir season and they really capitalized on it.
OFFICIAL madrid signs Casemiro yeaaaa
official?
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yes
Ilkay Gundogan impressed me so much today. if we can sign him that would be great.
Ummm, Sahin.
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I would be absolutely delighted if Sahin ended up back at Real Madrid. However, it seems very unlikely at this point in time. Dortmund are very keen on keeping the services of Sahin, and Sahin himself feels right at home in Dortmund.
As for Gundogan, he still hasn't extended his contract with Dortmund. What could this mean? Maybe a potential move elsewhere. I prefer him to remain at Dortmund, but if he really wants to leave then...
As for Gundogan, he still hasn't extended his contract with Dortmund. What could this mean? Maybe a potential move elsewhere. I prefer him to remain at Dortmund, but if he really wants to leave then...
Ilkay Gundogan is so much better than sahin and would fit perfectly at alonso role
Ummm, you realize you already went through this debacle before? You know that Gundogan was brought in to replace Sahin when he was sold to your club?
You should have eliminated the middle man and bought Gundogan directly back then. Even better, buy the guy BvB bring in to replace Gundogan when you buy him!
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You should have eliminated the middle man and bought Gundogan directly back then. Even better, buy the guy BvB bring in to replace Gundogan when you buy him!
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Let the new manager decide. Sahin was not good enough for Mourinho, and since Alonso wants to leave, there is an opening. Hopefully the new manager knows what he is doing, and rather than focus on Alonso, try someone else.
We are not necessarily going to stick to Mourinho's 2 DM pivot. Just remember that.
We are not necessarily going to stick to Mourinho's 2 DM pivot. Just remember that.
Waitaminute!! Is @Hunsijoo Perez' footytube account???!!??
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alonso wants to leave?
@mt
Definitely not. He and some others were criticising Perez a while back. If anything, I might actually be Perez rather than him (that is, if I were Spanish) :P
@DaGaza
Next season. He doesn't plan on extending his Madrid contract.
Definitely not. He and some others were criticising Perez a while back. If anything, I might actually be Perez rather than him (that is, if I were Spanish) :P
@DaGaza
Next season. He doesn't plan on extending his Madrid contract.
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Jupp Heynckes is coming to madrid
If so, probably for a single season, and that's if Ancelotti doesn't end up here first.
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man when will we win the 10th. seeing them celebrate is painful
If I were him, I'd end on a high, A potential treble. No better way to sign off an an amazing career.
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^ despite how much i would love to see him here in madrid... i agree with you
I have to agree with LOC too. It would be a noble way to step down.
...annnnnnd Mou vs Pep in August for the European Super Cup.
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That should be an interesting encounter.
Finally Robben see's some joy in a final. After losing to Spain in the World Cup, losing to Inter in the CL finals in 2010 and losing to Chelsea last year, I'm glad he got the winner.
Bayern are officially the best team in Europe. No team is anywhere near these guys!
edit: Next years Team of the Year will include a lot of Bayern players..lol. I only see Mata, Bale, Ronaldo and Messi making it and the rest Bayern/Dortmund players.
Bayern are officially the best team in Europe. No team is anywhere near these guys!
edit: Next years Team of the Year will include a lot of Bayern players..lol. I only see Mata, Bale, Ronaldo and Messi making it and the rest Bayern/Dortmund players.
^Didn't we concur on that ages ago mate? I'm kicking myself right now. My brother made more than £100,000 placing a £10k bet on Bayern early on in the season. I'm an idiot for not joining him :(
I remember after beating Untied most of the Madrid fans were talking about La Decima but you and I were the ones warning them about this Bayern side. Even if we got pass Dortmund (which we should have) we wouldn't have beaten this Bayern side.
Don't be fooled by the way Bayern played today. The only reason Dortmund pushed them so hard is because they know Bayern inside out. I'm sure if it was any other team in that final we would see a completely different score line.
Don't be fooled by the way Bayern played today. The only reason Dortmund pushed them so hard is because they know Bayern inside out. I'm sure if it was any other team in that final we would see a completely different score line.
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^I fully concur with that mate.
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In a final, anything can happen. Let's not forget the resilient Liverpool side that went up against a quality Milan side who were 3-0 up and boasted the greatest player on planet Earth at the time.
So no, I still think we would have had a chance against Bayern, especially in a one-off match.
So no, I still think we would have had a chance against Bayern, especially in a one-off match.
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Finally somebody who thinks we can beat Bayer,thank you White!
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I don't see Bayern as the strongest team in Europe...Bayern did not dominate Dortmund and had a last minute goal also Dortmund barely made it through..Not like Barcelona season Bayern didn't make a flashy victory so it doesn't make them the strongest in my opinion.
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^There is a huge difference between that Milan team and this Bayern team though. That Milan team didn't have a scary streak like this Bayern team had. Less than 10 goals conceded over the course of half a season, add to that, their spirit that took out Barca 7-0 on aggregate (not something any other team could manage). And their hunger for victory. Especially with our team's weak mentality this season, or should I say complacent, we would never stand a chance against them. Actually, Dortmund are as close to a team that could take them out this season.
I know this Bayern team is different, but the concept still remains the same - finals are unpredictable. And Barcelona play a style that would give Bayern's manager wet dreams at night! It's a style they prefer to play against, much like we are starting to actually.
Our mentality against tougher opposition shouldn't be questioned DerBomba. We've pulled through against the best of the best this season, and apart from playing in Germany, we've done really well to stand our ground and even threaten our opponents in large portions of matches. This match was at Wembley and not Germany.
But I do agree that Dortmund are the best fit team to challenge Bayern. That much we can both agree with.
Our mentality against tougher opposition shouldn't be questioned DerBomba. We've pulled through against the best of the best this season, and apart from playing in Germany, we've done really well to stand our ground and even threaten our opponents in large portions of matches. This match was at Wembley and not Germany.
But I do agree that Dortmund are the best fit team to challenge Bayern. That much we can both agree with.
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I don't know if we would have been able to beat Bayern if we were there instead of Dortmund but one thing is for sure... If you think this was an exciting final, with Real Madrid there you would have died of a heart attack.
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Why am I always finding my self going against Madrid? ...
Anyways... it works in both ways @White. Saying we can beat Bayern is true but actually doing it on the field is a different thing. This season we have been nothing but pathetic. We came second in the group stages, got out classed by Dortmund in both games in the group stages, almost lost out to Gala, got a REALLY lucky red card that pretty much won us the game and got humiliated by Dortmund 4-1.
Saying IF and BUT will always work but in football the games are decided on the field.
Anyways... it works in both ways @White. Saying we can beat Bayern is true but actually doing it on the field is a different thing. This season we have been nothing but pathetic. We came second in the group stages, got out classed by Dortmund in both games in the group stages, almost lost out to Gala, got a REALLY lucky red card that pretty much won us the game and got humiliated by Dortmund 4-1.
Saying IF and BUT will always work but in football the games are decided on the field.
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But I'm being more cautious in what I say. I'm choosing to say we would have a chance against them, but you and a few select others are making it out as if it would be certain we would lose.
There's a difference. I'm choosing to be be less definitive.
And we've done well against tougher opposition this season. That 4-1 in Germany might not have been brought up had we gotten that final goal in the dying stages of the game.
There's a difference. I'm choosing to be be less definitive.
And we've done well against tougher opposition this season. That 4-1 in Germany might not have been brought up had we gotten that final goal in the dying stages of the game.
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There's an old saying that Defence wins titles. That to me, has been proven by this Bayern team, and Mourinho's Inter in 2010. Our defence is not up to scruff, and even with all our attacking prowess, we may or may not score against such a defensively stable team. For what it's worth, Neuer proved me wrong today, I've always been skeptical of him, but he showed me that he has what it takes. So, break Bayern's defence and we still have to get past Neuer. Add to that our crumbling defence against the hunger of the Bayern players. I just can't see it tbh.
I'm not going to argue against you @White but what I will say is, you can never change a hater's mind. No matter how a team wins, the haters will find a way to discredit their win. I'm sure if Bayern won 5-0 today the haters would still make some lame excuse.
But no one is hating Realfan. Everyone in the footballing world who has the slightest sense will acknowledge Bayern as the best club in Europe. What I'm suggesting isn't fuelled by hate. I may dislike Bayern as a club, but I have nothing but respect for them.
well at least we have something to be happy about,Ronaldo is the Champions league top scorer with 12 goals.
Congrats Cristiano,well deserved!
Congrats Cristiano,well deserved!
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Very well deserved he did his job, now he requires the others to pull there weight to, and just imagine.
CR7 !
Do they actually hand out an award for this? I don't remember Messi getting any award after being the top goal scorer in the CL for 4 years in a row.
Yes, I think they give a small accolade in honor of scoring the most goals. Messi probably received his as well.
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I have to say, I saw it coming. Bayern were overdue by a season anyway, so congrats to them.
I think you and I were the only ones that knew this day would happen. I'm happy for those fans and players after losing so many finals.
I just hope Pep doesn't ruin all of this. I have a feeling he will sell Ribery, Robben and Gomez and bring that boring tiki taka crap to Bayern. They need to keep these set of players and keep playing the same way.
I just hope Pep doesn't ruin all of this. I have a feeling he will sell Ribery, Robben and Gomez and bring that boring tiki taka crap to Bayern. They need to keep these set of players and keep playing the same way.
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^To be fair, tika-taka might work with this Bayern team. My only question is, given the physical prowess of this Bayern team, could he increase the speed of the tika taka? One major problem I had with Pep's tika taka is that the speed is way too slow. Watch Tito's version, it's quicker and way more palatable. I only hope Pep will speed things up.
Knowing Pep, I wouldn't be surprised if he plays the same tempo has he is so used to. These Bayern players are way too good to play that way. They can play the Tiki Taka style but to a certain extent but they can't sit in their own half and pass the ball around like he did at Barcelona.
Why should Bayern change anything? Why fix that which is not broken? If anybody has noticed, this Bayern style is a mixture of Real Madrid and Barcelona. You could probably say this is the most complete squad in the last decade.
Remember the weakness in Tiki-Taka, a style we are becoming fond of exploiting - it will lessen Bayern's strength. Pep should just fine tune the squad and continue where Jupp left off and only think of alterations when a new weakness is exploited.
Remember the weakness in Tiki-Taka, a style we are becoming fond of exploiting - it will lessen Bayern's strength. Pep should just fine tune the squad and continue where Jupp left off and only think of alterations when a new weakness is exploited.
Pep has this way of playing and he NEVER changes it. I remember games where they were losing but you would still see Barcelona passing the ball around in that mid field. The Bayern board need to make it clear that they can not stop playing this way.
^I agree, but every manager has a signature formation and tactic. Pep's is tika taka. There is a noticeable aspect behind every manager's ideology, and I have to say Pep's style is a cautious one which is largely similar to Hecknyes. The difference though is that Pep will focus on retaining possession.
Think about it. This Bayern team is scary enough as it is. Add to that possession. I don't think it'd be too far fetched to suggest it'd be some sort of upgrade. The only question then is the speed.
Think about it. This Bayern team is scary enough as it is. Add to that possession. I don't think it'd be too far fetched to suggest it'd be some sort of upgrade. The only question then is the speed.
That will come down to Uli and how he comes to view Pep, I think. I personally dislike Pep's style. It may be effective, but clubs with styles like Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid will find it easier to play against Tiki-Taka once they become accustomed to it.
And it's really difficult to stay awake. I remember the Spanish squad of 2008 - one of my favorite squads of all time - and how beautifully they played. Then VdB adopted an approach that was similar to Pep's at Barcelona - my goodness how my interest in Spain decreased drastically.
My point is, his style not only bores me, but I feel it is an unnecessary shift in Bayern's approach. Perhaps I should wait until Pep actually manages a few matches before making a judgement though.
And it's really difficult to stay awake. I remember the Spanish squad of 2008 - one of my favorite squads of all time - and how beautifully they played. Then VdB adopted an approach that was similar to Pep's at Barcelona - my goodness how my interest in Spain decreased drastically.
My point is, his style not only bores me, but I feel it is an unnecessary shift in Bayern's approach. Perhaps I should wait until Pep actually manages a few matches before making a judgement though.
@DerBomba
Bayern already play a possession game. They are also culprits in unnecessary square passes at times as well. I don't think altering Bayern's approach to an even more possession oriented game will benefit them. That would force them to alter their formation and play more centrally which actually weakens their offensive prowess.
Bayern already play a possession game. They are also culprits in unnecessary square passes at times as well. I don't think altering Bayern's approach to an even more possession oriented game will benefit them. That would force them to alter their formation and play more centrally which actually weakens their offensive prowess.
Tika taka's greatest boring aspect is the speed at which the ball is played. Ironically, it's the tactic's ultimate weapon. To tire out opposing players while conserving the energy of your team.
Problem is, a speed boost would provide alot more entertainment. Tika taka is basically a large combination of 1-2s. Arsenal's version was pretty good, the reason though is that it was quick, and was therefore attractive.
I do agree with you that it's an unnecessary shift. And we should reserve judgment on Pep for now.
Problem is, a speed boost would provide alot more entertainment. Tika taka is basically a large combination of 1-2s. Arsenal's version was pretty good, the reason though is that it was quick, and was therefore attractive.
I do agree with you that it's an unnecessary shift. And we should reserve judgment on Pep for now.
But don't confuse Tiki-Taka for the quick passing football Dortmund, Bayern, and Real Madrid play. Part of what makes Tiki-Taka what it is, in my opinion, is it's usefulness in slowing down the game, fatiguing the opposition, and capitalizing on poor conentration (due to mental/physical fatigue). If you'd have a style that incorporated quick passing and intense pressuring, that would be something slightly different to Tiki-Taka - that would be the style Real Madrid, Bayern, and Dortmund try to play.
It's possession oriented, but not exactly, and it focuses on trying to get the ball as quickly as possible into goal. It's much like Tiki-Taka, but without the excessive square passes (which form part of the reason why it's so painfully slow).
It's possession oriented, but not exactly, and it focuses on trying to get the ball as quickly as possible into goal. It's much like Tiki-Taka, but without the excessive square passes (which form part of the reason why it's so painfully slow).
Actually, Madrid's and Bayern's version are extensions of the original tika taka. I will argue that even Barca are not exactly using tika taka. The original tika taka had no individual brilliant player. Spain are the only ones who are using the original version, and we can see why it's bad.
We pretty much have the same views on tika taka, but to be fair, almost every successful team these days, to some extent uses tika taka. Save for Dortmund. Dortmund is the one and only team to keep to counter attacks, the tactic we used 2 years ago. That is the antithesis to tika taka, not parking the bus. Parking the bus works too, don't get me wrong. But tika taka's fatal flaw is counter attacks with massive speed.
Counter attacks though are a variation of parking the bus, but parking the bus alone though gets you no where. You need to hit your opponents on the break to get a chance.
The tika taka you speak of is the original version which I have to agree, is a worthless tactic in terms of entertainment value. But I don't think Pep will try to slow things down unnecessarily, especially since Bayern themselves play a variant of the original version.
We pretty much have the same views on tika taka, but to be fair, almost every successful team these days, to some extent uses tika taka. Save for Dortmund. Dortmund is the one and only team to keep to counter attacks, the tactic we used 2 years ago. That is the antithesis to tika taka, not parking the bus. Parking the bus works too, don't get me wrong. But tika taka's fatal flaw is counter attacks with massive speed.
Counter attacks though are a variation of parking the bus, but parking the bus alone though gets you no where. You need to hit your opponents on the break to get a chance.
The tika taka you speak of is the original version which I have to agree, is a worthless tactic in terms of entertainment value. But I don't think Pep will try to slow things down unnecessarily, especially since Bayern themselves play a variant of the original version.
So many variations!
I think I can agree with you for the most part. :)
I think I can agree with you for the most part. :)
It's also a style that tends to neutralize the lack of physical traits in your own team,(Barcelona) and boost the qualities of the skills in your team, hence why Pep's Barcelona could afford to have average-weak players and still win against physical fast paced teams.
I'm not saying that Barcelona is full of skillful fragile midgets and that they only faced super cavemen.
But Tiki-Taka totally shuts down the physical advantages the opposition may have.
When the team playing Tiki-Taka loses possesion it quickly tracks it back most of the time succeding winning the ball back because the other team is lacking confidence after not having the ball for many minutes therefor forcing bad decisions on many players.
This way of playing benefits from possesiion while the ball is in play thats why it's better to stop the match as little as possible for them.
Do you guys remember the 2010/2011 games we had agaisnt Barcelona? Their frustration didn't come just because of fouls, it was because we were constantly shutting down the tempo of the game, we were counter-attacking not only in the game, but mentally, we cornered them to make bad decisions pressuring in a different way just like Tiki-Taka pressured us.
Genius work from Mourinho right there.
It's a master plan really, I dislike it because it's boring I understand why people call it the beautiful way of playing because its beautiful to watch team spirit and sharing the ball with your team, but Tiki-taka exaggerates this to an extremely boring, slow-paced tricky football.
I'm not saying that Barcelona is full of skillful fragile midgets and that they only faced super cavemen.
But Tiki-Taka totally shuts down the physical advantages the opposition may have.
When the team playing Tiki-Taka loses possesion it quickly tracks it back most of the time succeding winning the ball back because the other team is lacking confidence after not having the ball for many minutes therefor forcing bad decisions on many players.
This way of playing benefits from possesiion while the ball is in play thats why it's better to stop the match as little as possible for them.
Do you guys remember the 2010/2011 games we had agaisnt Barcelona? Their frustration didn't come just because of fouls, it was because we were constantly shutting down the tempo of the game, we were counter-attacking not only in the game, but mentally, we cornered them to make bad decisions pressuring in a different way just like Tiki-Taka pressured us.
Genius work from Mourinho right there.
It's a master plan really, I dislike it because it's boring I understand why people call it the beautiful way of playing because its beautiful to watch team spirit and sharing the ball with your team, but Tiki-taka exaggerates this to an extremely boring, slow-paced tricky football.
@Vanido
That part about player psychologically being affected by Tiki-Taka is interesting. I can't believe I didn't realize that. It's part of the reason why it is successful against most clubs, and quite effective, but what it gives for efficiency and effectiveness, it takes from entertainment, at least for me.
That part about player psychologically being affected by Tiki-Taka is interesting. I can't believe I didn't realize that. It's part of the reason why it is successful against most clubs, and quite effective, but what it gives for efficiency and effectiveness, it takes from entertainment, at least for me.
@Vanido
That's an astute observation. Basically the original blue prints are as you've put it. But Barca's version is slightly different. It relies more on individual brilliance than what the original tika taka was meant to do. As I recall the original tika taka had very average players. Barca on the other hand has a brilliant Busquets and Iniesta. To make matters worse, they have a Messi.
Barca relies on Busquets to intercept, reducing the foul count from challenges. Add to that Iniesta to carve opportunities and Messi to cause confusion in the opponent's defence. It's hardly the original tika taka for me. The blue prints for the original tika taka is such that you can have 11 fat old men on the pitch and you could still beat any of the best teams in the world.
That's an astute observation. Basically the original blue prints are as you've put it. But Barca's version is slightly different. It relies more on individual brilliance than what the original tika taka was meant to do. As I recall the original tika taka had very average players. Barca on the other hand has a brilliant Busquets and Iniesta. To make matters worse, they have a Messi.
Barca relies on Busquets to intercept, reducing the foul count from challenges. Add to that Iniesta to carve opportunities and Messi to cause confusion in the opponent's defence. It's hardly the original tika taka for me. The blue prints for the original tika taka is such that you can have 11 fat old men on the pitch and you could still beat any of the best teams in the world.
One of the reasons Barcelona's current approach is masked from it's weakness (or so it used to be) is because of the brilliance and game changing character of Messi. This style might not have received the praise it continues to do so if it weren't for Messi conjuring an illusion.
I guess you have to give credit to Messi for making Barcelona get out of tricky situations.
I guess you have to give credit to Messi for making Barcelona get out of tricky situations.
^You also have to give Busquets some credit though. I see Barca crumbling without Busquets. His vision is outstanding. And his ability to intercept leaves me speechless at times.
I acknowledge Busquet's role on his team, and the significance he brings, but I feel that despite Busquet's absence, Messi will be that 'get out of jail' card. It's been so evident this season.
@DerBomba
I think otherwise when it comes to say that Barcelona relies on individuality I do think theres only one individaul excent from the Tiki-Taka way and that is Lionel Messi his bursts of sudden dribbling madness is Barcelona's ultimate weapon, the rest of the team are plan of Tiki-Taka, yes including Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Valdes.
I'm not downgrading any of them don't get me wrong, but the way they play go as they are supposed to according to this.
That's why Messi benefits so much from this tactic and this tactic benefits so much from Messi, he's the only exception to the philosophy.
He's the only one able to play to his full potential, why do you think other players that are capable of creating their own goal chances are not that succesful in Barcelona, because they already forged their way to play for the Argentinian.
I think I just jumped to a whole different topic I'm sorry.
My point is that Tiki-Taka is the slow paced possesion football tactic.
I'm not aware of other Tiki-Taka, they didn't copyrighted the passing game, just saying.
I think otherwise when it comes to say that Barcelona relies on individuality I do think theres only one individaul excent from the Tiki-Taka way and that is Lionel Messi his bursts of sudden dribbling madness is Barcelona's ultimate weapon, the rest of the team are plan of Tiki-Taka, yes including Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Valdes.
I'm not downgrading any of them don't get me wrong, but the way they play go as they are supposed to according to this.
That's why Messi benefits so much from this tactic and this tactic benefits so much from Messi, he's the only exception to the philosophy.
He's the only one able to play to his full potential, why do you think other players that are capable of creating their own goal chances are not that succesful in Barcelona, because they already forged their way to play for the Argentinian.
I think I just jumped to a whole different topic I'm sorry.
My point is that Tiki-Taka is the slow paced possesion football tactic.
I'm not aware of other Tiki-Taka, they didn't copyrighted the passing game, just saying.
^Nah, it's a great discussion. Perhaps you're right about the fact that Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets form the blue print of the original tika taka, but I kind of think they're a little more than what the original blueprint dictated. I'm trying to remember the age old tika taka team that was destroyed 4-0 in the CL final, either by Milan or the tika taka team was Milan. Can't exactly remember which team it was though, but that team was devoid of creativity or good players.
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