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Hey guys, I have a discussion going on the Madrid page, regarding the modding and the problems we've all been experiencing. This is your chance to put forward your views without judgement, provided the language is clean. I want to resolve this with the regulars of the two forums and move forward, knowing that mods won't have to police so strictly and can allow more freedom on here, with the assurances of not getting out of hand and not deterring potential new users or relations with other club's fans.

Your feedback will be appreciated. Alternatively you can read what I posted and reply to this comment, your choice. Don't hold back, just don't swear at me, that's all I ask. Let's sort this out.
Some observations from the Granada match (in which Masch played the pivote role) that suggest Masch is the wrong person for that job:
http://robbro7.com/2015/03/03/why-javier-mascherano-is-a-bad-midfielder-for-barcelona/

Thoughts?
IN the past I would agree, but this season Busi has made far too many errors to be exempt from some questioning over his starting place
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I don't think anyone can disagree with the article's argument really... Busquets turns the ball over very quickly because has grown up thinking 3 steps ahead and because he's very comfortable in possession while being pressed. Masch can't imitate him and shouldn't try it either, so he has to drop deep to collect the ball.

But Masch v Busi is not an issue when it comes to the big games. Masch will never be our starting DM when it matters, not unless Busquets' performance really hits rock bottom.
Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in having a forward named "Immobile" on your team?
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He's not that immobile after all. He just scored in the dfb pokal game.
It's just you :P
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Well, at least you don't have a CDM named 'Blind' in your team who is supposed to spray the ball to the midfield and attack.
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lol what about everton's Drinkwater, every time you say his name its a friendly reminder to hydrate yourself
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What's even more ironic is having a guy named Walker as the fastest player on your team.
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More Ironic when you got a guy named Messi in your team but the football he plays is quite neat :p :p :p
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What's even more ironic is having a guy named Crouch as the tallest player in your squad.
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Honorable DaGaza, did you say that just to get likes from Cules? :D
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And "Bolt" is too literal for the fastest man on the planet. What a show off!
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Ok you guys are too good at this, I tried to find something buy failed :(

Edit: Found one! What's even more ironic is that Angel plays for the Red Devils.
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You guys have to google funniest football player names. This is a list of American football players:

http://acidcow.com/pics/13116-the-30-funniest-player-names-in-college-football.html

The only thing that is annoying me is there are several players on this list from my alma mater, Michigan State.

Kyle Sackrider

Jeff Smoker - He was quarterback when I was studying. Our college made an official tag line for him which was plastered on my stadium - Where there is smoke, there is fire!

Lucious Pusey!
"Would I be open to a move to Barcelona? I would swim to Barcelona if they came knocking," Dybala told Radio Belgrano when questioned about his future.

"I wouldn't even have to change into my swimming gear. After all, I would only have to cross the Mediterranean Sea..."

Dybala,glad to hear one of the most prominent showing passion to join us,but I don't think he wouldnot get enough game time if he joins here.Anyway he is one of exciting prospect in world football.

One thing I noticed that he prefer to swim across,lol,if he really like to swim,then he should have to turn his direction towards Spanish capital rather than going towards to Catalan capital;-)
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Lol...good point 4ever...haha
Going to Dortmund if you ask me. He's an amazing talent at 21 years of age, his stats this season are amazing at a club like Palermo, not the best service for a striker. 16 goals and 7 assists this year I think.
But he is playing for Palermo , they sold pastore for about 40M and I'm sure I read somewhere that owner of Palermo saying dybala can leave for fee in same range , I don't think BVB will blow 40M on him alone .
So I've heard some rumours of Pedro being linked with us. not sure if any of it is founded, but have you guys been playing him?
Seems a waste if he's a part of the base of your teams' chemistry. I've seen him play great in the previous seasons.

Also, any thoughts on selling him to us? XD
No Barca player would ever leave to Chelsea... oh wait
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Lawl alf , cries in corner :'(

But but it seems cesc 2nd half syndrome is back , not in full flow but he don't feel like the player he was before Christmas .
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@elchico,only if he wants to leave us,in that case,you would get him for less than half of his market price..
LOL never realized that we have another Barcelona named club based in Guayaquil and its impressive that they are also competing in this years copa libertadores .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona_Sporting_Club

Even our badges are identical
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Seems legit...
I knew this. Thanks, Football Manager!
I knew too, thanks footytube search engine...
I'd like to be a show off and let you guys know that I found out about them after I visited Ecuador two years ago. ;)
^that's the difference between a drafter and an architect...lol
Franky you went to Ecuador, I was there a couple months ago.
Yeah. My wife used to have family living there. amazing place. Quito is beautiful and quirky. We thought we could climb the Cotopaxi without any training. I went to the base of the mountain, took some pics and turned back.
Hahahaha @took some pictures and turned back. Hey man at least you thought about it :p
What do you think about sending Bartra out on loan for a year or even 6 months. A player in his situation is best given the opportunity to have more experience starting..specially if we are serious about grooming him to be a starter for us. Next season the CB position seems crowded with Masche, Mathieu, Pique, Vermaelen, and him. I really dont wish to see a talent like him rot away in our bench.

I hear Liverpool are interested and honestly they are a good option for him but they want to buy him instead of loan him. what do you think?
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I believe in Bartra! I wish Lucho provide him more starting 11 chances and give more playing time to develop. I see a leadership ability in Bartra like legend Puyol. If Bartra is not going to get as much playing time next season, I wouldn't disagree with the idea of six months or a season on loan to Liverpool !
What do you suggest we do if Masch or Pique gets injured? And please don't count Vermaelen as one of our players lol.. he's out for the remainder of his contract.

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Bartra is not going anywhere!
St1or,
so you think he should stay in case one of our starters gets injured then?? he shouldnt be a bench warmer, IMO he should start, but since we have a crowded CB position I think its best for him to go somewhere he is guaranteed start and gain experience as a leader. You dont get that sitting in the bench
No he needs to stay right here right now. Yes he is a benchwarmer but did you even know of him before this year? We found a gem and we should not rush his progress. He will be a starter very very soon.
CBs usually don't fully mature until like 27-28. Like Che said, rushing him would be a mistake. Besides Mathieu is 30, Masche is 30? And Verms well yeah what St1or said.
Bartra is our best CB. I don't see a reason why we should be sending our best CB on loan..
Che,
no offence man but he has been with us for almost 5 years now. if you follow barca b like me then you would know him from before that even. He's been through 4 different coaches since 2010 and has been eagerly awaiting the opportunity never truly given here. unfortunately for him the coach that seemed to have most confidence in him was Tito (RIP).

I dont disagree with any of you that he is the best CB we have and I really want him to start but I am just asking that if barca are not going to put trust in him then istn it better he go and matture somewhere else? look at how tello-deulofeu-suarez-rafinha have matured since they went to different teams. Tello recently scored a hattrick, dennis suarez and deulofeu are both integral part of sevilla and we all know how far rafinha has progressed.

I think it in his best interest as well as the best interest of the club for him to go on loan (with a condition that he be guaranteed starter) to gain experience.

Best possible scenario would be for him to start for barcelona NOW but lucho doesnt seem to have confidence in him. I say let him prove himself in another team. he is too good to be a bench warmer.
Bartra is not our best CB. He is young, raw, and inexperienced. He has great potential but let's cut the pretenses, he has a lot of work to do still.

I understand the rationale for loaning him out to gain experience, but, as others have mentioned, we can't afford to take that risk. Especially not in the latter half of the season.
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Im glad to hear that you have been watching our reserves, did not mean to offend you on that at all.

What my bigger point was that he shouldn't be rushed, he has just now been promoted to the big leagues after years of grueling at barca b. He will get his chance and he knows it, there is barely any real competition for his spot that he is surely earning.

No need to sell him, no need to rush him, what he is doing has been perfect and patient. We have him for at least 3 more years.
Bartra should stay but as Andres mentioned, he should get more starts and more playing time. To do that, Masche has to play a different role than CB and Have Bartra/Pique/Mathieu rotate for the CBs.

I know it is unorthodox, but I wouldn't mind seeing Masche play Right Back sometimes . He has great defensive skills/speed , he likes to push the ball upfront and he likes to cross too :-)
I would love to see how this formation at the back can do:

Masch Bartra Pique Alba
Bartra should stay. Out of all our recent Masia products, he is the most likely to be a starter for us soon. I do wish he could at least get more playtime than Mathieu though. Mathieu has been poor since the new year, while bartra has bossed the backline when given the chance, even if the opportunities are against minnows.

Also please, don't mention Verms as competition for a CB spot...he really should not be considered, he is the last choice we have in the case he ever gets fit. I rank him only above Douglas...
Football meets ping pong !! Pretty sure many of 'em break their nose bad!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FyBJktJDzs
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Let's go barca
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Visca Barça
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Allez les bleus!
According to AS, our management is ready to review coming offers for Pedro.Any thoughts?
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If the offer is good, then why not? He is hardworking, great finisher and a good team player. I personally want him to go to Arsenal and play alongside Sanchez. He has the ability to score goals and change the game. He just can't show that if he's in team where players like Neymar, Messi and Suarez can outshine him constantly. BPL need players with good pace and high work rate and I think Pedro offers them any day of the week.
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Personally, I'd like to see Barca start doing some good dealing like Chelsea. They sell players while their value is high. Pedro is a hard working cule, but unfortunately he is not core, I would say sell him as his value is going up right now, bring in one of the loanees ( Dolefeu or Tello ) to fill his role and develop the new generation. When we hang onto players too long , it might not the best option for all the parties involved.
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I think its time to cash out on pedro. I'd like to keep him around but I'm sure he's unhappy at not starting. Plus he's only going to get worse with age. It might be the best time to make 25-30m on pedro and invest in younger long term option.
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I'd only sell him if we got AT LEAST 30m for him. We wI'll not be able to replace him and what he does for our club for any less than that.
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wouldnt sell pedrito if i were yall
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I don't get why we would sell him? He's what, 27 now? Like you guys said, he's not gonna get any better. But he is good enough now to play for us. Why would we sell him and bring a younger player like Tello and Gerard and ruin their development by benching them? Not to mention they are not anywhere near as experienced as Pedro.

But If we sell him for around 25-30 and find a player just as good who is happy to play second to MSN then sure.
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It depends on what Pedro wants in my opinion. If he is content playing second fiddle then I hope to god we do EVERYTHING we can to keep him. He has been with us so long and he has done such a formidable job.

I don't think we can keep him on the team though if he is expecting to be a regular starter though. Haven't really heard too much on what he wants.
+1
would never sell him


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50
5
3
17
25
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53
24
21
45
4
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12
30
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39
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6
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41
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29
8
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12
25
7
32
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26
9
8
8
25
8
32
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36
32
11
5
9
25
9
30
-9
31
22
11
6
8
25
10
29
-15
43
28
14
2
9
25
11
27
-8
36
28
10
9
6
25
12
27
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34
25
12
6
7
25
13
26
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35
22
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7
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14
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25
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24
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39
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16
24
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45
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6
25
17
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25
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25
19
18
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25
20
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7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
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0
0
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19
0
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0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
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13
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7
10
1
1
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6
2
5
-2
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8
3
2
1
6
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1
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12
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5
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