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Its really sad how Chelsea fans (and even some liverpool fans) are cursing torres and the internet is full of 'Torres leaving' memes..

I mean common you should bid a farewell to a player.. It wasn't his fault if he lost his form, not under his control, he was always trying.
I wish Torres just goes crazy in Italy and regains his form..
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Let's suppose Barcelona breaks their transfer record on a player, pays him some of the highest wages at the club, ships out 2 promising players who are in the same position (I'm talking about Sturridge and Lukaku), brings on a ton of negative press, has several controversial statements released to the media and impacts locker room morale, and the player then goes on to look completely inept 80% of the time? When the player leaves, wouldn't you be happy?

I dare venture to assert that Torres received better and more patient support from Chelsea (club and fans) than he would have at nearly any other mid-top club in the world.

Many of the comments I've seen have been a mix of celebrating that we no longer have to dance around this Torres situation any longer and wishing/expressing sentiments that he will be able to revitalize his career in a new league.

Did I cheer for him while he was here? Yes. Am I cheering now that he is leaving? You bet.

Yeah you have a point but Chelsea have a history of doing this to strikers and their fans seem to think of players as objects and don't show any loyalty. I remember when you guys were about to sign cesc so many Chelsea supporters saying they don't want him, I am a livepool and a barca fan and when a player flops you show them respect, especially when you know they are uber talented! And its not Torres didn't score important goals I mean look at the goal he scored against barca. In my opinion sometimes you have to admit that its the clubs fault not the players... Although who knows Torres did have a thing for scoring against Chelsea, sabotage?
Torres was an immense flop, then he worked hard to get back to average. Poor guy just was not helping his image out with all those sitters he would habitually miss hahaha.

Surprised it took Chelsea this long to can him, probably one of their worst investments. But hey, thats what happens sometimes, good thing we have never had any flops at our club....... lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lpee5iaZRg#t=

This is pretty fantastic if you haven't checked it out.
I understand their frustration, but UEFA did nothing wrong here. It was stupidity from their staff and the player himself who didn't speak out against being lined up that caused their disqualification, not UEFA or definitely not Celtic.
Spain's call up squad:

Goalkeepers: Iker Casillas (Real Madrid), David de Gea (Manchester United), Kiko Casilla (Espanyol)

Defenders: Dani Carvajal (Real Madrid), Raul Albiol (Napoli), Juanfran Torres (Atletico Madrid), Cesar Azpilicueta (Chelsea), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Jordi Alba (Barcelona), Mikel San Jose (Athletic Bilbao) Marca Bartra (Barcelona)

Midfielders: Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), Jorge "Koke" Resurreccion (Atletico Madrid), Cesc Fabregas (Chelsea), Santi Cazorla (Arsenal), Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Raul Garcia (Atletico Madrid), David Silva (Manchester City), Francisco "Isco" Alarcon (Real Madrid), Ander Iturraspe (Athletic)

Forwards: Pedro Rodriguez (Barcelona), Diego Costa (Atletico Madrid), Paco Alcacer (Valencia)

So... No Pique nor Mata, Del Bosque seems to be going for youth development (which is what he should IMO). and also because spain suffered big with retirements from 3 of its biggest stars; David Villa, Xabi alonso and Xavi.

5 Barca Players: iniesta, Busi, jordi alba, Bartra and Pedrito. I would think that all these five (with the exeption of Pedro maybe) would start for spain. This is a great oportunity for our young CB bartra to show his skills in international level!

I excited to see what del bosque has planned.
@DrogbaLampard
I don't know any Coasta
Coasta (Chelsea) :p
Guess who's interested in signing munir?

Hint: The cradle snatcher from London!
I would say 100m + Costa
Naw, Munir is already 18, which is several years too ripe for ol' Venger's tastebuds.
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I say we sell him.. for 100m pounds
Tanmay,

The big difference between Munir is that he's still a B player. Most of the time, he'll be getting minutes in the B team. Only when he's actually going to be subbed in will Lucho actually bring him with the team. There's no point brining a B kid with you if you're not going to use him, as you're just robbing him of Barca B minutes. Add to that that Lucho is the ex Barca B coach, and you're pretty much the best possible framework to ensure Munirs development.
@Tanmay Enrique.

EDIT: Apologies. I didn't realize I had my time-travelling knickers on. This post was supposed to be below @Tanmay's.
I don't there is much chance of Munir leaving now. He's really got his foot in the door now for the A team and Barca is apparently negotiating a new contract with him. He's so close to breaking through that moving now doesn't seem to make sense.
I have a bad feeling that we won't use Munir properly and he'll fade away, sort of like Tello. Can anyone say something to assure me that that won't happen?
Tello is one trick pony. Tello would never score the way the way Munir scored last game. If Tello was there he would try to take ball towards right, do Henry style and mess it up. I never thought Tello is Barcelona level player because of that.
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@ Tanmay,We are currently competing in 3 tough competition and I believe that we really need to rotate our players (except Messi maybe) in order to have them show their top performance.Also, considering Neymar injuries history, I really believe that he will get chance to play much more than we think he will really get.
Munir is so much more than Tello. And lucho knows how to handle kids. He is in safe hands
Big difference I see between Munir and Tello is that Munir is a natural striker as Tello usually tries too hard to get in the right position to score. Munir actually reminds me of Suarez in the way he scores his goals. If you notice he doesn't care how pretty a goal is he just has finishes the ball off instinctively. As Veri once said only great strikers have the natural instinct and deadliness about them and this kid has been showing it since before he was an adult.

Only thing I find that's a problem with Munir (that should be solved in about a year or two) is that his body isn't fully developed as an adult yet. although he does have a solid and deadly accurate shot he still needs the speed and strength to make him a problem for top teams. How creates an opportunity out of nothing is incredible though.
This old man really likes Spanish teens ;)
I remember reading yesterday there was a club interested in Munir, and immediately I knew who it was
Ummm, Dr. Tello should be back in the squad next year.
I know it hurts to hear this, but he's actually pretty good.
And contrary to what's written above, he's clinical, not wasteful.
Hey guys I can like Xabi Alonso again!

Before he moved to RM he was seriousy a player I liked alot and admired as a player but then he became a madridista and got on my nerves every week.

Finally after a long 5 years I can freely say i like Xabi Alonso again.
He was absolutely top while at Liverpool.
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How can you not like that handsome man. His Bayern signing picture could be used as a suit ad.
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I don't understand why on Earth they got rid of Alonso! He literally had the best long ball on the team. He was crucial for counter attacks. Alonso was also one of few players who can foul up to 9 times and not receive a card. Im not sure how he did it, but he would literally stop all counter attacks by fouling players on or off the ball and always got away with it. He's an all around great player and at only 32 he had years left to teach the younger players while also contributing to the team.

If you ask me this was a huge mistake by them... At the rate players are leaving I want to see Benzema to Arsenal by tomorrow lol
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He was not forced out or anything like that,the club wanted to keep him but it was he's decision to change clubs. Listen to his press conference from today,he explains his decision. Also if we would bring in 2 striker by some miracle,i would ship Benzema of for free lol.
I hope you don't take this as an insult Pejvl, but I think Benzema is and was the most crucial player to madrid's attack. He is the perfect CF to use as a holding pivot, who makes the winger's jobs much easier. I feel like madrid fans never credit his hard work or when he scores in very important games. He open's so much space for Cristiano to take open shots and I feel like nobody recognizes that, but then again when a celebration consists of a player pointing at himself and grabbing fake boobs who would recognize the other players doing hard work?
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The most crucial player in Madrid's attacking? Ronaldo has something to say about that.
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I really don't want to discus Benzema in details cause i done this a million times before in Madrids forum. All I want is a new striker to finally come to Madrid,and then he would show you how "crucial" Benzema is. Oh yeah,and you forgot to call him the "link up man",cause apparently he's the only striker in the world who can pass the ball to the wingers.
Ship Benzema to Arsenal for free, he'll make us a fkn amazing team!! He has the same skill set as Giroud, except he's a better finisher. We rely on a powerful CF who can hold up the ball and play with his back to goal, he'd be perfect.
Pejvl all im saying is he was a beast at Lyon and I feel he does great for Madrid because he's the only player that can hold a ball with two defenders on his back and not fall to the ground. He's great at what he does in my opinion. But I mean I would love to see him leave because any team in the world would be glad to have him.
So I'm seeing a lot of posts where the starting line up is Neymar--Messi---Munir. Really? Are you people serious? Don't get me wrong. Munir has immense talent as we all know. But he is still a kid. Why rush him and throw him with the wolves? I think him playing in Barca B and playing cup games and 'easier' Liga fixtures are the best options right now. I also wouldn't mind seeing him come on as a sub.

A certain Messi didn't even start his first season and Messi was by far the most talented 18 year at that time. So to ask for Munir to start is kind of ridiculous. We are supposed to protect our youngsters, not do another Bojan here. Munir will definitely be ready for regular action in 2-3 seasons but for now I think he is better going on and off between the first team and the reserve team.

Once Suarez comes too, it will be hard for Munir to find playing time. I wouldn't mind seeing him loaned out to Villareal or Valencia next season.
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I think munir will only if there are injuries to our starters which is the case right now. This was the first game of the season at home vs elche. I don't want to take away the credit from him for performing so well but lets not get ahead of ourselves. We have to keep giving him first team chances to increase his confidence. If he grabs the chances he receives with both hands and makes the most of it then he deserves his place in the team ahead of our multi million dollar purchases.

I'm glad barca increased his buyout clause from 8m to 27m. We really don't want a repeat of thiago at barca. Rotation is key. It keeps all players fresh and motivated.
This kind of irrational fear belongs in the Prem.
Being an over-protective nan is much worse than learning one's trade amongst lions and wolves.
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lmao Mt you're the man.
Xabi Alonso to Bayern is now official:

http://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2014/08/comunicado-oficial-xabi-alonso?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=xabi_alonso&utm_campaign=twitterrrss

Jesus H Christ, the most shocking transfer of this window by far. Came completely out of the blue, and was done in like a day? Wham, Bam, thank you Perez. That famous Germany efficiency I suppose. Good old blitzkrieg.
They almost doubled his salary. Hard to say no to such an offer especially when you have 3 more players on your team ready to play in your position. It's a nice retirement package.
Alonso is getting 5 million net at Bayern, right? Is Real really only paying him half of that?

"The midfielder's salary will increase considerably, from 4 million euros to 6 million euros after tax, an offer which exceeded those made by top European clubs such as Juventus and a number of Premier League clubs."

According to AS, Xabi got 6 million net per year since January this year. If that's true, he accepted a pay cut to 5 million net to go to Bayern.
Nope,Bayern are giving him a salary of 10mil per year. Thats a huge amount of money for a 32 year old,no wonder he couldn't turn it down. Still im so sad he left,it will be wierd without him.
That's what I read too. Raise from 6m to 10m.
Bayern is giving him a salary of 10 before taxes. After taxes that's around 5 million. From what I've heard, he was on 6 million after taxes at Real.

List of Bayern wages before taxes:

http://fussball-geld.de/gehalt-der-bundesliga-bayern-munchen/

10 million after taxes for Xabi would put him as the clearly highest payed player for Bayern, something I highly doubt would be the case.
Madrid and Barcelona salaries for comparison:
http://futbolfinanzas.com/los-sueldos-del-real-madrid-y-barcelona-durante-2013-14
Mt,

Right, 4.5 million, but as far as I know that was raised to 6 million in January. I'm also pretty sure that Neymars wages are before and not after tax, I don't think that there's any possibility of him earning more than Messi.
@JRaty I have no idea how valid the link I gave is.
If "you don't think that there's any possibility of him earning more than Messi" then provide a link to an alternative proposal.

Also, what if he did have a contract with higher wages than Messi?
What are your thoughts on that?

Further, do you think there's any possibility of him earning more than Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta, Valdes, or Busquets?
Mt,

"Barca are paying Neymar 8.8 million euros in wages per season for his five-year contract, said Sanllehi[Barca director Raul Sanllehi]."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/24/uk-soccer-spain-neymar-contract-idUKBREA0N1KV20140124

That's also what you get when you type in Neymar Wages in Google. It would also line up well with what you posted, 14 million before taxes and 8.8 after. From what I gather, Neymar is one of the top payed players at Barca after Messi, where exactly he ranks with Xavi et al I don't know.
Kagawa is going back to Dortmund. I guess it's a good thing for all parties involved. Kagawa didn't fit in at united and Dortmund definitely need someone like him. Dortmund hasn't been the same after losing gotze even mkhitaryan has been outstanding for them. I've always enjoyed watching Dortmund play and I hope they make a good run this UCL.

I really want barca to play them in the UCL this year.
I really really want Shinji to go back at this point. I adore the guy but he never got the treatment he deserves here at United. Dortmund loves him to death and he was one of the best #10s in the world back then. It'd be the best move for his career.

I truly am so sad that he's leaving though, I thought he'd become one of our key players. The worst part is that he barely ever got the chance to shine. Almost never did he ever get the chance to play in his preferred number 10 position in his 2 years at the club.

It comforts me knowing that he at least got a PL title to his name.
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Breaking News: They are having a baby!!!


While we all have been complaining about Pique's performance during last season and WC, he scored an other goal, but for his family.Yes, Shakira is pregnant with their second child.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/shakira-pregnant-second-child-gerard-pique-2014288

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/08/28/shakira-pregnant-gerard-pique-second-child/

Hope he can focus now where his all attention should be!

Sorry your post just struck me wrong a bit, but ive known many friends and colleagues who have had children, it effects your entire life.

Family comes first and newborns can be a handfull. I know it sucks pique has been suspect for a while but try to see him as a human being and a father. His priorities, no, his universe changed when he had the first kid.

Just my thoughts. Comgrats to pique and shakira.
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We, as Barca fans, expect him to be more focused on our team and his duties on the pitch.There are so many players out there who have kids and family and that only helps them to step up.Neither I or any of our fans say or believe that he should't put his family first or ect, we just want him to play like how he used to play at Pep's time.
So Im really hoping that Bartra is officially the starting right CB along with Mathieu. I'm also curious as to what our midfield is going to look like. Iniesta and Rakitic in midfield definitely seem to be perfect. Rakitic especially because he plays defense really well and tracks back with speed. Then up top we also have a few questions. With the way Munir has been excelling do you guy's think he should start?

My starting line up right now would look like this.

-----------------------------Ter Stegen----------------------------

----Dani-----------Bartra-----------------Mathieu----------Alba----

------------------------------Busquets-----------------------------

-------------Rakitic------------------------Iniesta----------------

-----Munir-------------------Messi-----------------------Neymar----
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''this year Suarez will be one who meets his crosses''

Finally Alves' crosses will find his team mates because Suarez will be sitting in the stands to receive them xD
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Im sorry I have to reply to myself, but this is to explain why I chose who I did.

Ter Stergen: Strong in the air, Agile, overall I rate him much higher than Bravo.

Dani: As much as people hate him I still believe Dani is one of the best CB's in the world and this year Suarez will be one who meets his crosses.

Bartra: I rate this kid higher than any other CB in the whole league in terms of intelligence. He is also great in the air, great in one on ones, very fast, and has amazing leadership skills.

Mathieu: Strong, fast, agile, great in the air, all around great defender even though he has his doubters.

Alba: Engine, speedster, hardworker.

Busquets: improved from last season although a rotation for competition between him and Mascherano would do the both of them good.

Rakitic: Very impressive player, and fit in much better than expected. Also a very hard worker. Creative, strong fast, hes perfect.

Iniesta: Magician and hopefully he picks up his form he's lacked for the past two seasons

Munir: He's definitely more talented than Pedro. This kid is so humble and loves to sprint after defenders out of his own desire to run.He also proved to be a creative threat.

Messi: Messi is Messi again! He's hungry lets keep him this way!

Neymar: Proved his worth once again in the World Cup and Im expecting a great year from him so playing time along Messi is vital.

I apologize for the excessive detail but I'd love to hear your line ups and why you chose who you chose. Although you don't need to do quite as much writing as I did haha.
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Lmao @Maaza I think it's time to quit your job and look into comedy. No but on a more serious note lets be honest. When we had Henry and Eto'o Alves' crosses were the best in the world.

Now by logic did Alves really lose his ability to cross a ball after years of practicing to add on to his perfect cross or do we not have any players with the necessary height or heading skill to finish them off?

Alves' crosses are always around the penalty area or the 6 and near he hits all 3 targets which are front of the 6, penalty spot, and back of the 6. Messi doesn't always look for the header he likes the ball played to his feet.

Suarez however when he gets off the bench :p the man can snatch any ball out of the air and have it in the back of the net. I've seen Suarez score a header from the top of the 18....
You think bartra is the most intelligent cb in the league?

Btw i actually like bartra but i dont think hes there yet
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Danny Im telling you I somehow enjoy watching him defend. Every time I watch Barcelona play I make sure to watch him off the ball. His movement and ability to read what will happen next is absolutely incredible. He's always at the right place at the right time.

He also rushes players and doesn't give them an inch of space like Puyol. For instance in the last game, when he came on and we had 10 men he literally killed off any build up play before it started. Him and Mathieu both but his ability to read what will happen next is even better than Mathieu.

It's very hard to describe but next time you watch a Barcelona game watch all his movements and how he predicts the future so well. Im telling you man there is something special about him!
I wouldnt say Bartra is the most intelligent yet, but he is definitely up there. I totally agree with you on how Bartra is joy to watch usually. I've believed he has been our best CB for a while now, so I'm wondering what it is that always turns our management away from him :(
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Weegeez I honestly can't think of any CB's in the league that are as smart as him. I know the highest rated by the majority are probably Ramos and Pepe, but in all honesty I think Ramos makes horrible defensive decisions that he makes up for in his aerial strength, extreme aggressiveness, and pace. Pepe is actually a good defender when he's not trying to hurt players. But yeah I don't see much intelligence in the two.

But I would like to listen to your opinion on a defender in La liga is superior in intelligence.
I personally think Godin is the most intelligent CB. He has a great awareness of the ball, notably in midair, and his positioning is top notch. I think with some regular playtime Bartra will change that opinion of mine though, and I really hope he does get the playtime he deserves
I think I agree with everything you said 9Ronaldo9. Bartra should be our starter every game. He is more Puyol than anyone on the squad, his clean look just makes people not believe it. And he can also join the rush and has some offensive instinct. Loving Munir so far too, if he sticks around I don't see Pedro getting many minutes when Suarez returns. Or Rafinha for that matter.
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Mateo mussaccio, diego godin are just some names that go to the top of the defenders. The good thing is bartra is young and has alot more potential if he keeps developing the way he is we will see him become the best defender in the world but theres is still aloong way to go

But i do belive he can go up there and all the club can do is give him his deserved spot in the starting 11.

I agree he makes exceptional desitions when off and on the ball also his passing skills is that compared to any midfielder and hes not afraid to go forward. The kid needs to take charge of the backline and command (like puyi) all defence activity both when attacking and when defending

Just a quick question if barca were to sell him how much would you guys say hes worth atm? Considering his potential and his current ability? He currently has a contract until 2017 with a buy out clause of 25mil
+1
I wouldnt let go of Barca for anything under 40m. Due to his young age and familiarity with Barca, He IMO should be our highest valued CB
If we're talking about pure intelligence, I'd rate Mascherano as the most intelligent CB in the league. That's cheating however I suppose, as he's still very much a world-class DM playing off position.


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