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Iniesta is not avaliable for our match against Villarreal , he have a knee discomfort :/

Neyamr got the medical green light and will be available for the tie
Its really sad how Chelsea fans (and even some liverpool fans) are cursing torres and the internet is full of 'Torres leaving' memes..

I mean common you should bid a farewell to a player.. It wasn't his fault if he lost his form, not under his control, he was always trying.
I wish Torres just goes crazy in Italy and regains his form..
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Let's suppose Barcelona breaks their transfer record on a player, pays him some of the highest wages at the club, ships out 2 promising players who are in the same position (I'm talking about Sturridge and Lukaku), brings on a ton of negative press, has several controversial statements released to the media and impacts locker room morale, and the player then goes on to look completely inept 80% of the time? When the player leaves, wouldn't you be happy?

I dare venture to assert that Torres received better and more patient support from Chelsea (club and fans) than he would have at nearly any other mid-top club in the world.

Many of the comments I've seen have been a mix of celebrating that we no longer have to dance around this Torres situation any longer and wishing/expressing sentiments that he will be able to revitalize his career in a new league.

Did I cheer for him while he was here? Yes. Am I cheering now that he is leaving? You bet.

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Yeah you have a point but Chelsea have a history of doing this to strikers and their fans seem to think of players as objects and don't show any loyalty. I remember when you guys were about to sign cesc so many Chelsea supporters saying they don't want him, I am a livepool and a barca fan and when a player flops you show them respect, especially when you know they are uber talented! And its not Torres didn't score important goals I mean look at the goal he scored against barca. In my opinion sometimes you have to admit that its the clubs fault not the players... Although who knows Torres did have a thing for scoring against Chelsea, sabotage?
Torres was an immense flop, then he worked hard to get back to average. Poor guy just was not helping his image out with all those sitters he would habitually miss hahaha.

Surprised it took Chelsea this long to can him, probably one of their worst investments. But hey, thats what happens sometimes, good thing we have never had any flops at our club....... lol
@Che, not only did we not have any flops but when our players do perform good we sell them the season after for half price ;). Beat that Chelsea.
have to agree with kgb. one of my best friends was a big torres fan when he arrived in his chelsea team and even though I made fun of him for a couple of years due to his choice. he was ALWAYS loyal to the club and i felt more sad for him because it was harder for him to defend a player he still thought would do great things (like in liverpool).

Now he is glad he can go to another club and maybe improve because and I quote "as a Chelsea fan man Im not satisfied with him" its a sad story the nando torres saga...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lpee5iaZRg#t=

This is pretty fantastic if you haven't checked it out.
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I understand their frustration, but UEFA did nothing wrong here. It was stupidity from their staff and the player himself who didn't speak out against being lined up that caused their disqualification, not UEFA or definitely not Celtic.
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@Jeroen "UEFA did nothing wrong". I think that's the first time in the history of the internet that phrase has ever been written.

Here's the despicable crime that those criminals Legia Warsaw committed:
"Legia won the third qualifying-round tie 6-1 on aggregate but brought on Bartosz Bereszynski for the last four minutes of their 2-0 second-leg victory at Murrayfield, while he was supposed to be serving a suspension following a red card for violent conduct in last season’s Europa League. UEFA the game 3-0 to Celtic, meaning the Scottish champions progressed on away goals having lost the first match in Warsaw 4-1.
Bereszynski was sent off against Apollon in the final match of Legia’s Europa League campaign last season, earning a three-match suspension. He missed both legs of Legia’s tie against St Patrick’s in the second qualifying round and also sat out the 4-1 first-leg victory over Celtic. However, it has emerged that Bereszynski had not been registered in Legia’s squad for the second qualifying round, and so the matches did not count towards his suspension."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/celtic-reinstated-champions-league-uefa-legia-warsaw

Thus, your statement isn't exactly valid:
"stupidity from their staff and the player himself who didn't speak out against being lined up that caused their disqualification."
I'd partially agree with the "stupidity" sentiment, but to be fair it's nowhere near the level of idiocy exhibited by UEFA.

Oh, and Fair Play award to Celtic.
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@jeroen, when you read the details it seems very unfair. The staff and the player thought he was eligible to play, because he did miss UEFA 3 matches (which was the length of his suspension). However, it turns out that in those matches his name wasn't in the squad list, so they didn't count towards the punishment. The staff's fault for missing this detail, certainly, but in spirit the player did serve his punishment. I think under the circumstances UEFA should have relented and let them go through.
Oh yeah. Uefa paperwork. You don't dot the i's and cross the t's and FIFA and uefa will come down hard on you. What I've heard from my sources within uefa that the real reason they disqualified the club was because they wanted the player to be on the bench and weep on camera while he watched his team suffered as per UEFA rule number 22.3 subsection 4 page 11. Since the club didn't put the player on the squad list, the player was assumed to be having fun during his punishment period. Boom... Disqualify! Case closed!
Celtic is absolutely not to blame for this. Legia fielded a suspended player due to their own poor management, and there was nothing unusual in their punishment. The only reason why they're blaming UEFA is that they're not big enough to accept responsibility.
Spain's call up squad:

Goalkeepers: Iker Casillas (Real Madrid), David de Gea (Manchester United), Kiko Casilla (Espanyol)

Defenders: Dani Carvajal (Real Madrid), Raul Albiol (Napoli), Juanfran Torres (Atletico Madrid), Cesar Azpilicueta (Chelsea), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Jordi Alba (Barcelona), Mikel San Jose (Athletic Bilbao) Marca Bartra (Barcelona)

Midfielders: Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), Jorge "Koke" Resurreccion (Atletico Madrid), Cesc Fabregas (Chelsea), Santi Cazorla (Arsenal), Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Raul Garcia (Atletico Madrid), David Silva (Manchester City), Francisco "Isco" Alarcon (Real Madrid), Ander Iturraspe (Athletic)

Forwards: Pedro Rodriguez (Barcelona), Diego Costa (Atletico Madrid), Paco Alcacer (Valencia)

So... No Pique nor Mata, Del Bosque seems to be going for youth development (which is what he should IMO). and also because spain suffered big with retirements from 3 of its biggest stars; David Villa, Xabi alonso and Xavi.

5 Barca Players: iniesta, Busi, jordi alba, Bartra and Pedrito. I would think that all these five (with the exeption of Pedro maybe) would start for spain. This is a great oportunity for our young CB bartra to show his skills in international level!

I excited to see what del bosque has planned.
@DrogbaLampard
I don't know any Coasta
+1
Costa (Chelsea) :p
edit i always add an a for some weird reason lol
"So... No Pique nor Mata, Del Bosque seems to be going for youth development "
Mata is as old as Busquets, younger than Cazorla, Fabregas, Iniesta, Garcia, and Silva! Only Koke and Isco are younger than him. I find it stupid that he called up all these old players. By the time for the next WC, all of them will be a couple of years older than 30yo!

Regarding the forwards, why doesn't he give Navas and Negredo chances? These 2 together are better than all of the forwards!
Guess who's interested in signing munir?

Hint: The cradle snatcher from London!
I would say 100m + Costa
Naw, Munir is already 18, which is several years too ripe for ol' Venger's tastebuds.
+2
I say we sell him.. for 100m pounds
Tanmay,

The big difference between Munir is that he's still a B player. Most of the time, he'll be getting minutes in the B team. Only when he's actually going to be subbed in will Lucho actually bring him with the team. There's no point brining a B kid with you if you're not going to use him, as you're just robbing him of Barca B minutes. Add to that that Lucho is the ex Barca B coach, and you're pretty much the best possible framework to ensure Munirs development.
+1
@Tanmay Enrique.

EDIT: Apologies. I didn't realize I had my time-travelling knickers on. This post was supposed to be below @Tanmay's.
+1
I don't there is much chance of Munir leaving now. He's really got his foot in the door now for the A team and Barca is apparently negotiating a new contract with him. He's so close to breaking through that moving now doesn't seem to make sense.
I have a bad feeling that we won't use Munir properly and he'll fade away, sort of like Tello. Can anyone say something to assure me that that won't happen?
Tello is one trick pony. Tello would never score the way the way Munir scored last game. If Tello was there he would try to take ball towards right, do Henry style and mess it up. I never thought Tello is Barcelona level player because of that.
+1
@ Tanmay,We are currently competing in 3 tough competition and I believe that we really need to rotate our players (except Messi maybe) in order to have them show their top performance.Also, considering Neymar injuries history, I really believe that he will get chance to play much more than we think he will really get.
Munir is so much more than Tello. And lucho knows how to handle kids. He is in safe hands
Big difference I see between Munir and Tello is that Munir is a natural striker as Tello usually tries too hard to get in the right position to score. Munir actually reminds me of Suarez in the way he scores his goals. If you notice he doesn't care how pretty a goal is he just has finishes the ball off instinctively. As Veri once said only great strikers have the natural instinct and deadliness about them and this kid has been showing it since before he was an adult.

Only thing I find that's a problem with Munir (that should be solved in about a year or two) is that his body isn't fully developed as an adult yet. although he does have a solid and deadly accurate shot he still needs the speed and strength to make him a problem for top teams. How creates an opportunity out of nothing is incredible though.
This old man really likes Spanish teens ;)
I remember reading yesterday there was a club interested in Munir, and immediately I knew who it was
Ummm, Dr. Tello should be back in the squad next year.
I know it hurts to hear this, but he's actually pretty good.
And contrary to what's written above, he's clinical, not wasteful.
R. Madrid had also attempted to sign Munir recently.
Hey guys I can like Xabi Alonso again!

Before he moved to RM he was seriousy a player I liked alot and admired as a player but then he became a madridista and got on my nerves every week.

Finally after a long 5 years I can freely say i like Xabi Alonso again.
He was absolutely top while at Liverpool.
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How can you not like that handsome man. His Bayern signing picture could be used as a suit ad.
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I don't understand why on Earth they got rid of Alonso! He literally had the best long ball on the team. He was crucial for counter attacks. Alonso was also one of few players who can foul up to 9 times and not receive a card. Im not sure how he did it, but he would literally stop all counter attacks by fouling players on or off the ball and always got away with it. He's an all around great player and at only 32 he had years left to teach the younger players while also contributing to the team.

If you ask me this was a huge mistake by them... At the rate players are leaving I want to see Benzema to Arsenal by tomorrow lol
+1
He was not forced out or anything like that,the club wanted to keep him but it was he's decision to change clubs. Listen to his press conference from today,he explains his decision. Also if we would bring in 2 striker by some miracle,i would ship Benzema of for free lol.
I hope you don't take this as an insult Pejvl, but I think Benzema is and was the most crucial player to madrid's attack. He is the perfect CF to use as a holding pivot, who makes the winger's jobs much easier. I feel like madrid fans never credit his hard work or when he scores in very important games. He open's so much space for Cristiano to take open shots and I feel like nobody recognizes that, but then again when a celebration consists of a player pointing at himself and grabbing fake boobs who would recognize the other players doing hard work?
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The most crucial player in Madrid's attacking? Ronaldo has something to say about that.
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I really don't want to discus Benzema in details cause i done this a million times before in Madrids forum. All I want is a new striker to finally come to Madrid,and then he would show you how "crucial" Benzema is. Oh yeah,and you forgot to call him the "link up man",cause apparently he's the only striker in the world who can pass the ball to the wingers.
Ship Benzema to Arsenal for free, he'll make us a fkn amazing team!! He has the same skill set as Giroud, except he's a better finisher. We rely on a powerful CF who can hold up the ball and play with his back to goal, he'd be perfect.
Pejvl all im saying is he was a beast at Lyon and I feel he does great for Madrid because he's the only player that can hold a ball with two defenders on his back and not fall to the ground. He's great at what he does in my opinion. But I mean I would love to see him leave because any team in the world would be glad to have him.
So I'm seeing a lot of posts where the starting line up is Neymar--Messi---Munir. Really? Are you people serious? Don't get me wrong. Munir has immense talent as we all know. But he is still a kid. Why rush him and throw him with the wolves? I think him playing in Barca B and playing cup games and 'easier' Liga fixtures are the best options right now. I also wouldn't mind seeing him come on as a sub.

A certain Messi didn't even start his first season and Messi was by far the most talented 18 year at that time. So to ask for Munir to start is kind of ridiculous. We are supposed to protect our youngsters, not do another Bojan here. Munir will definitely be ready for regular action in 2-3 seasons but for now I think he is better going on and off between the first team and the reserve team.

Once Suarez comes too, it will be hard for Munir to find playing time. I wouldn't mind seeing him loaned out to Villareal or Valencia next season.
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I think munir will only if there are injuries to our starters which is the case right now. This was the first game of the season at home vs elche. I don't want to take away the credit from him for performing so well but lets not get ahead of ourselves. We have to keep giving him first team chances to increase his confidence. If he grabs the chances he receives with both hands and makes the most of it then he deserves his place in the team ahead of our multi million dollar purchases.

I'm glad barca increased his buyout clause from 8m to 27m. We really don't want a repeat of thiago at barca. Rotation is key. It keeps all players fresh and motivated.
This kind of irrational fear belongs in the Prem.
Being an over-protective nan is much worse than learning one's trade amongst lions and wolves.
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lmao Mt you're the man.
Xabi Alonso to Bayern is now official:

http://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2014/08/comunicado-oficial-xabi-alonso?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=xabi_alonso&utm_campaign=twitterrrss

Jesus H Christ, the most shocking transfer of this window by far. Came completely out of the blue, and was done in like a day? Wham, Bam, thank you Perez. That famous Germany efficiency I suppose. Good old blitzkrieg.
They almost doubled his salary. Hard to say no to such an offer especially when you have 3 more players on your team ready to play in your position. It's a nice retirement package.
Alonso is getting 5 million net at Bayern, right? Is Real really only paying him half of that?

"The midfielder's salary will increase considerably, from 4 million euros to 6 million euros after tax, an offer which exceeded those made by top European clubs such as Juventus and a number of Premier League clubs."

According to AS, Xabi got 6 million net per year since January this year. If that's true, he accepted a pay cut to 5 million net to go to Bayern.
Nope,Bayern are giving him a salary of 10mil per year. Thats a huge amount of money for a 32 year old,no wonder he couldn't turn it down. Still im so sad he left,it will be wierd without him.
That's what I read too. Raise from 6m to 10m.
Bayern is giving him a salary of 10 before taxes. After taxes that's around 5 million. From what I've heard, he was on 6 million after taxes at Real.

List of Bayern wages before taxes:

http://fussball-geld.de/gehalt-der-bundesliga-bayern-munchen/

10 million after taxes for Xabi would put him as the clearly highest payed player for Bayern, something I highly doubt would be the case.
Madrid and Barcelona salaries for comparison:
http://futbolfinanzas.com/los-sueldos-del-real-madrid-y-barcelona-durante-2013-14
Mt,

Right, 4.5 million, but as far as I know that was raised to 6 million in January. I'm also pretty sure that Neymars wages are before and not after tax, I don't think that there's any possibility of him earning more than Messi.
@JRaty I have no idea how valid the link I gave is.
If "you don't think that there's any possibility of him earning more than Messi" then provide a link to an alternative proposal.

Also, what if he did have a contract with higher wages than Messi?
What are your thoughts on that?

Further, do you think there's any possibility of him earning more than Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta, Valdes, or Busquets?
Mt,

"Barca are paying Neymar 8.8 million euros in wages per season for his five-year contract, said Sanllehi[Barca director Raul Sanllehi]."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/24/uk-soccer-spain-neymar-contract-idUKBREA0N1KV20140124

That's also what you get when you type in Neymar Wages in Google. It would also line up well with what you posted, 14 million before taxes and 8.8 after. From what I gather, Neymar is one of the top payed players at Barca after Messi, where exactly he ranks with Xavi et al I don't know.
Kagawa is going back to Dortmund. I guess it's a good thing for all parties involved. Kagawa didn't fit in at united and Dortmund definitely need someone like him. Dortmund hasn't been the same after losing gotze even mkhitaryan has been outstanding for them. I've always enjoyed watching Dortmund play and I hope they make a good run this UCL.

I really want barca to play them in the UCL this year.
I really really want Shinji to go back at this point. I adore the guy but he never got the treatment he deserves here at United. Dortmund loves him to death and he was one of the best #10s in the world back then. It'd be the best move for his career.

I truly am so sad that he's leaving though, I thought he'd become one of our key players. The worst part is that he barely ever got the chance to shine. Almost never did he ever get the chance to play in his preferred number 10 position in his 2 years at the club.

It comforts me knowing that he at least got a PL title to his name.
+1
Breaking News: They are having a baby!!!


While we all have been complaining about Pique's performance during last season and WC, he scored an other goal, but for his family.Yes, Shakira is pregnant with their second child.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/shakira-pregnant-second-child-gerard-pique-2014288

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/08/28/shakira-pregnant-gerard-pique-second-child/

Hope he can focus now where his all attention should be!

Sorry your post just struck me wrong a bit, but ive known many friends and colleagues who have had children, it effects your entire life.

Family comes first and newborns can be a handfull. I know it sucks pique has been suspect for a while but try to see him as a human being and a father. His priorities, no, his universe changed when he had the first kid.

Just my thoughts. Comgrats to pique and shakira.
+3
We, as Barca fans, expect him to be more focused on our team and his duties on the pitch.There are so many players out there who have kids and family and that only helps them to step up.Neither I or any of our fans say or believe that he should't put his family first or ect, we just want him to play like how he used to play at Pep's time.
Well, now that Pique has a little more competition we'll see how he performs.


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