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So last night I found out my mums family from malta, originally were from Barcelona. ...





BEST NEWS EVER!
Damn Bundesliga is no challenge for bayern not even 10 min and they're already two up including one on one miss by lewa , they're literally toying with Koln

Okay so , i jinxed it for them XD
I wanted them to do same All the time,yesterday itself I got 42 points through robben:-)
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"

Rest in peace, Leonard Nimoy a.k.a. Spock. \\//_
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Never had the opportunity to watch a single Star Trek TOS episode, but even I have to give this man respect. A very thoughtful and methodical actor and a fine person, he will be missed. R.I.P
The EL draw is so badly designed... Fiorentina v Roma and Villarreal v Sevilla in the Quarters. They basically halved La Liga's chances of winning the EL this year
abosolutely bonkers.

The cream rises to the top, but sometimes turds float.
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This happened last season too. Sevilla had to knock out Betis and Valencia en route to the final. Even in the CL it was Atletico who knocked us out. Its like the teams that stop the Spanish teams are other Spanish teams
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Clubs from the same country shouldn't play each other before quaterfinal in my opinion.

It's also ridicolous that russian and ukrainian clubs couldn't draw each other. Officially russia and ukraine aren't even in war. What if russian and ukrainian play the final? Ridicolous
And Dnipro and Kiew also couldn't draw, because they play in the same stadium. WTF?? Miland and Inter did it before. I don't see the problem.

This draw is so badly fixed. It's really disgusting. But i don't see any media picking this up.
The whole page is full of comparisons between BPL, La Liga and recently Ligue 1...Let's focus on our team instead because we don't watch La Liga because Almeria is better than Stoke city, we do it because we love Barca. I am sure if one day La Liga decided to not let us participate in La Liga, the majority of us include myself will stop watching La Liga.
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Speak for yourself.
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I'm with Blackstyle on this one.IMHO, it is completely fruitless to try comparing football leagues, what are we trying to achieve? needing other's validation ? have every football fan watch one league ( Liga ) or one team ? It is not going to happen.
Most of the folks follow a team for some irrational reason ( local team, team that father/brother loves, team with most hair gel, team with most exquisite football...etc ) Most of the fans don't sit and rationalize what team would give them the most footy satisfaction before they watch ?
It is a very religious thing, enjoy your team and let the others enjoy theirs.
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^^I said majority of us.You can keep watching it,I am not against it. I just don't like seeing the same discussion over and over and over again here.
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La liga is still better than EPL ;) HEHE
Just look our rival forum,they are only active in match day and if they get chance to insult us,apart from that it's almost like graveyard only barca fans are making that forum active and there are lot of forums which mainly focussing on possible starting line up and that's it.being barca fan board member is always fun,here we are like friends who likes to talk related to anything.I for one wanted to continue that And am being proud of cule.I would prefer you rather than complaining,pick up some news barca related and we will talk:-)
When is the next Europa league draws? Interested to see who will be matchuped for sure
Friday if I'm not mistaken.

Also I would like to know...If Sevilla or Villareal do manage to win Europa while Valencia holds down 4th, will Spain have 5 teams in the UCL?
Yep. It could mean 4 from Italy for next UCL :)
Yep, the winner of Europa gets a spot.
Having 5 teams from La Liga would be insane. I sure hope one of them pull through...but Roma, Fiorentina, and WOlfsburg all look pretty good for the title as well
English commentators in the CL shouldn't be allowed to commentate any longer. They are the most biased commentators by far. They discredit any other team and player that's not English and praise anything English. They are very xenophobic and it's really annoying. For instance if anyone was watching the Monaco match you would have noticed how ignorant and disrespectful the commentators were. Monaco were the better team on the day and dominated. After the game the interviewer even asked, What did you guys do to make yourselfs LOOK good and make the English team LOOK bad. Berbatov made the interviewer look like an idiot, even though he should have just walked out of the interview.

Berbatov simply said "...We are good." with a very sour look and offended look on his face.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1FPT2uD5R4
- the interview
American commentators when some big team is playing against Arsenal. They can't stop kissing the other team's ring, even if Arsenal scores lol. During that match we won vs City, the guy was waxing lyrical about City's midfield and attacking power despite the fact it was 2-0 the other way lol
^what do American commentator could have against arsenal. C'mon Zilch...
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I think it's cos we're not a big club in their eyes like City etc. America is all about money in sport.
You think they really care about it? personally, I don't really think so. Agreed about the fact that "America is all about money in sport" though.
Why does every epl loss translate into a depiction of how epl is overrated? Cfc beat us in 2012 and they are still called the luckiest team ever to win the ucl. Why did that not show epl's strength over la liga? Just because arsenal lost doesn't mean bpl is weaker than ligue 1.
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I don't think anyone believes that Ligue 1>EPL, however I do think most people are getting at the idea that EPL isn't as good as people claim it to be. Monaco beating Arsenal in London doesn't prove Ligue1>EPL, but it does close the gap in quality between both leagues a little. Add to that PSG outplaying Chelsea.

In fact instead of going on about EPL lacking quality, we should probably acknowledge that Ligue 1 is getting better. Right now I would think it's on par if not ahead of the Serie A
Why isn't Ligue 1 better than EPL? The best team in EPL got overplayed by PSG. Add that to the Arsenal loss against Monaco. Ligue 1 is ahead of EPL at the moment.
Right about now I have no qualms saying that the EPL sucks. They have no problem saying that about other leagues when their teams are flying high so I don't believe it should be a problem when they are at a low.

I'll say it again, they suck. The only team worthy of any mention is Chelsea. Even when they are playing bad they squeeze out the win. You can't say that for any of the other teams, even United before Ferguson left wasn't great.

So it's not a matter of them being overrated. They are not overrated, they just suck as the moment. Every last one of them, except Chelsea.

True statement:

" I know to you EPL fans it is a strange concept but consistency is why La Liga teams do so well in Europe."~HansUpskirt~
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@ThePandavas - Your logic is faulty man. One on one contests do not decide league superiority

According to your logic since City defeated Bayern Munich EPL is better than the Bundesliga. Also, since Leverkusen defeated the Liga champions Atletico, Bundesliga is better than La Liga. So, EPL > Liga.

I just proved that your logic makes no sense. Hope you agree.
@tomi,I am not gonna accuse anything out here.But it'. You might have watching other leagues,but large portion of Epl fans not paying any attention for other leagues.it's A perfect time for Epl fans to give some attention to other leagues as well.more knowledge means more humble you become:-)
@4ever - absolutely man. Completely agree. I strongly suggest all fans of football in general to watch the leagues across Europe. CL gives us a great platform to get some cross knowledge as well.

You can forgive some folks for not watching other leagues since time is always an issue - but then such folks should not bad mouth other leagues. I think we are all pretty clear on that.
^ I always try yo get weekly highlights for all leagues and watching it live if have enough spare time.
I am talking about epl fans because I haven't been gone through enough with bundes,ligue 1 or serie a fans.Back in my place,its very hard to argue with Epl fans.Few months ago I was talking with my friend who is arsenal fan about possible transfer of Sanchez to arsenal.Then he said Sanchez might be God at barca,but he wouldn't suit in Epl,lol.There are lot of ignorant fans out here,I would rather going for logical discussion with them,I prefer to mock them whenever it's possible.

And As you suggest,there are lot of real n barca fans are here who only watching their games only..
Lol this isn't the barca page anymore.
its la liga vs epl
As Gary lineker once tweeted

" We might have to stop pretending that the Premier League's is the strongest in the world.Most entertaining it may be, but La Liga is stronger."

" And it's not just Real Madrid and Barca. Other Spanish teams have won the Europa League 6 out of the last 10 years "
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Now not make ourself ridicolous and claim that ligue1 is better than EPL. of course not. They have PSG and Monaco and besides of that nada/nothing.

And pls take a closer look at seria a. They don't have powerhouses like in the past, but 5 from 5 clubs reached yesterday the next EL-round. And you also have Juve with good chances for eliminating BVB.
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I'm not suggesting bpl is weaker than ligue 1. With the kind of ridiculous logic that people have been using lately would make ligue 1 better than arsenal. During a cup match teams play at a much different level. Your mistakes are punished severely because its the only chance you have. when inter beat us at San siro we had to travel by bus to Milan because of the volcano eruption. The team played at a lower intensity and referee decisions didn't help either. That inter team had no business beating pep's barca because even on a bad night they played better football than inter. But s**t happens in football. One loss or win doesn't reflect the club's or league's quality.
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i dont wanna start any fights but really EPL is the best league in the world? i myself only watch the epl from time to time but la liga is IMO a much better league when speaking football wise. This shows in europe this and last week not ONE team won (except everton).

its sad really I wish the old man unitd old arsenal and old liverpool would resuscitate to their glorious ways all those teams have great fan-base that deserve more than what they are getting back.
It's a matter of opinion.
I think there's a bigger audience for EPL worldwide - maybe marketing, language, teams with more money to spend on players, maybe better wages etc
EPL probably has a better talent pool then most leagues, but the teams have been struggling against other European clubs.
This has been discussed below already.

My POV: qualitatively it is definitely no longer the best league. For most people, it's still the most entertaining though. I do think a lot of that entertainment is simply down to good marketing and the fact it's English. English league, English language. Most people understand English, so the whole league is easier to follow since commentary, programmes and news about it is mostly in English. On top of that, the English teams are still huge names despite losing quality on the pitch. United is still the biggest brand in football after RM and Barça I believe, perhaps they're even bigger still. Chelsea just signed a contract with Yokohama to be their shirt sponsor worth €55m a year; more than any team in history barring Utd's Chevrolet shirt sponsor contract (which is €73m a year). The league itself sold its broadcasting rights for the next 5 years for something like €5bn for the next 5 years, or even more - I don't remember.

Basically, it's a good comparison to what McDonald's is in the fastfood business. They're the most famous with the largest income, but many people don't think the quality is the best compared to other fastfood restaurants. If you consider European football the benchmark for how good a league is, certainly there's no way anyone can argue that the Spanish league has the highest quality teams: in the past 10-15 years the EL and CL has been won by Spanish teams far more than by any others. On top of that, semi-finalists and losing finalists are often Spanish teams too.

But yeah, to each his own! I love watching the Belgian league and the Bundesliga too, though the Belgian league is far below the lofty standards of La Liga. Football is entertainment and if you're entertained more by English football (I love watching it too), it might be the 'best' league for you, despite the downfall in quality.
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EPL has a better talent pool? Now I have heard everything.
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Why not? Most proven players go to the EPL to play. Apart from Barca and Madrid you hardly see other teams purchasing proven EPL players. Most non EPL teams can't afford to pay the huge transfer fees.
Though I feel there are more potential talents in other leagues.
Instead of making a mockery of my opinion you can give logical reasons to prove me wrong.
EPL does not have a better talent pool. How can they have a better talent pool and they buy from everyone and their grandmother? What are you basing that on anyway? Homegrown talent? Or the fact that they have the money to purchase almost any player from other leagues?

Either way, you are wrong.
I'm not basing it on developing players.
I am saying more quality established players than most leagues. The main reason is that they have money to buy whoever they want. The other leagues develop talent and transfer their stars to EPL for better money.
Over last couple of years...Carzola, Aguero, Sanchez, Costa, Di Maria, Silva, Toure, Falcao, Hazard, Oscar etc.
The way the teams play doesn't concern me.
La Liga, Bundesliga, both have a couple of great teams in them, really excellent teams. But it's the other 17 or so that makes me prefer to watch the EPL. Most weeks Bayern wins 4-0 or more, same with Madrid and Barca and that makes for 1 or 2 great games to watch each week. Who here can honestly tell me they watched a few of the lower teams in your league play this week and thought to themselves "what an entertaining game!" Not many I'll wager.

I am so thankful that Athletico have emerged as it adds more competition for top spot. But it's still a 3 horse race and Bundesliga is a 1 horse race. What I like about the EPL is that nobody knows who's going to finish 3rd,4th,5th and who's gonna get relegated etc. Top position can lose to the teams in threat of relegation, anybody can beat anybody. Madrid and Barca vs the relegation threatened teams is just a routine pounding session. United went on a 21 week streak a few seasons back. It was halted by Wolverhampton who were last place at the time.

It's that unpredictability that makes me prefer watching EPL cos barring the El classico and Athletics matches, I personally find the EPL more entertaining. After you've watched your team pound flat some mid table team with your skills, go ahead and watch a bottom ladder match and see how much you enjoy it cos in the EPL those games are great. Does that make the EPL a better league? Of course not. It just means that personally I find the entire league full of more exciting matches each week, than watching a couple of brilliant teams win 4 or 5-0 and ignoring the other 7 matches of the round.
Well, if they are the talent pool shouldn't other leagues buy from them a majority of the time instead of the other way around. What you are saying doesn't make sense.

If La Liga for instance gets a large portion of its players from South America, it wouldn't be because they are the talent pool. They are getting from the South American talent pool. So England can't be the talent pool, unless those players developed in England to become the great players that they are. Those players you mention didn't go to England and make it big, they were great in their own right before they left for England, so England was drawing from a talent pool.
@Zilch I can understand your argument, but it is contradictory.

It was only a couple of seasons ago I remember United fans laughing at Real Madrid because they lost to Osasuna(eventually relegated) a team at the very bottom of the table with no hope of survival since they could barely score goals. So that doesn't only happen in England. Also, for whatever people might think about 1st and 2nd in La Liga 3rd, 4th and 5th have consistently been competitive. Even now, you can't tell which team will win the league and which will get the 3rd or 4th place spot. It is that close.

The league that is more exciting is a matter of preference, but the fact of the matter is 3rd, 4th, and 5th in la liga has been more competitive than in the EPL. I can agree that 1st and 2nd is a different story, but the rest of the league is not.
Don't know about you guys,but I find bundes liga is the most entertaining,bar from bayern matches which am not interested to watch much,the unpredictability of the league also extremely highly,you can't see in many league sometimes the 20 th placed team outclassing champion league team.la liga and serie a is more of tactical in that sense,both produced high quality games especially la liga.Honestly I would rather watch celta,athletic,rsdf,Seville,rayo's games rather any of Epl teams' games.

What makes me watching Epl is great commentary,high quality streams,hypes surrounding each game,much better coverage for teams sitting in lower half and ofcourse entertaining games
I think there are two concepts here.
One is young players scouted from various countries to join a team. They develop into greater players and so on. In any case England wouldn't be an ideal country to go to find young talent. A lot of players in EPL are foreign. I agree with you on that.
Maybe I used the wrong words to describe what I meant in my initial post. I meant that overall EPL has better individual players than most leagues. Again I'm not referring to developing players but players that have already established a name for themselves.
Ltm: that was just one example from many, heck last week Burnley drew with Chelsea. Point is it happens more frequently in the EPL and whether that's due to having more competitive low ladder teams or weaker top teams I don't care. The point is it makes it exciting and less predictable.

4ever: I agree but it's ruined for me cos Bayern wins the league with 9 weeks to spare. When Dortmund and Schalke were challenging them it was simply awesome to watch. With Athletico challenging I'm enjoying La Liga a bit more but for years, that simply wasn't the case.
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Zilch, I understand that that unpredictability is what makes the EPL more fascinating, but the issue many of us have with the fans of the league, is that from that unpredictability they conclude their lower ranked clubs are better than ours (or those form Germany, Italy or France) whereas most of us see it as a lack of consistent quality of the top teams.

If I'd have to summarize my vision on the EPL teams versus the Spanish and German ones, it'd be a chart where I'd rate the quality of the teams on a scale of 1-100 like this:

England:
1) Chelsea: 87
2) City: 84
3) Arsenal: 79
4) Utd: 78
5) S'ton: 76
...
10) Stoke: 70
20) Leicester: 62

Germany:
1) Bayern: 94
2) Wolfsburg: 82
3) MGB: 77
4) S04: 76
...
12) Dortmund: 77
18) Stuttgart: 68

Spain:
1) Real Madrid: 93
2) Barça: 94
3) Atlético: 87
4) Valencia: 78
...
10) Sociedad: 72
20) Cordoba: 64

This really represents my vision on the quality of the leagues. While any team can beat any other, it's much more likely to happen in Germany than anywhere else; the quality of the teams in positions 2-18 is much closer than the quality interval in England, or Spain. On top of that, I think the last team in Germany is quite a lot better than the last team in England or even Spain. But in Spain, the average quality is the highest: pit any random team from a random league against any random team of La Liga, and I think on average the Spanish team will win against any random team from any league. The top three in the world are clearly defined as well IMHO: Bayern, Real and Barça. Atlético are fierce competitors but they're too one-dimensional; they're being found out right now. Chelsea is a team with potential for reaching the 90+ category though: I think they're a versatile squad with loads of individual quality. But as it stands, I don't rate them higher than Atlético.

What I'm trying to say here, is that different interpretations of facts is what makes fanbases angry at each other: in England a lot of people think the unpredictability is proof of overall high quality, while people who love La Liga say it's a lack of consistency/quality from the top teams. I tend to agree with the latter since the English top teams can't prove their quality in Europe the way the three big ones consistently can. Even the sub-top teams in Spain do a better job in Europe than most top English sides.
What a horrible week for EPL teams

Arsenal lose at home 1-3(UCL)
Man City lose at home 1-2(UCL)
Tottenham eliminated(Europa)
Liverpool eliminated(Europa)


Everton are doing well though (agg 7 - 2)

Anyways, I'm more than happy with this weeks performance from EPL team :D
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67
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18
24
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28
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50
5
2
17
24
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50
22
21
43
4
5
15
24
4
45
12
30
42
7
3
14
24
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16
22
38
6
5
13
24
6
38
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27
26
8
5
11
24
7
32
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36
32
11
5
9
25
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31
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24
25
9
7
8
24
9
27
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34
28
9
9
6
24
10
27
-8
33
25
11
6
7
24
11
27
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31
21
11
6
7
24
12
26
-12
32
20
12
5
7
24
13
26
-17
41
24
14
2
8
24
14
24
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38
20
12
6
6
24
15
23
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39
22
13
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6
24
16
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44
21
13
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6
24
17
22
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44
19
12
7
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24
18
19
-22
37
15
11
10
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24
19
18
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39
18
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9
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25
20
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6
0
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7
0
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8
0
0
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0
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9
0
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10
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11
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12
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7
10
1
1
4
6
2
5
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10
8
3
2
1
6
3
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12
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