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RM got Dortmund and Lesbon. I think 2nd toughest group. No cake walk this year.
HAHAHAHA we get City again :D

We get City , Mönchengladbach & Celtic.

All 3 tough teams and we have most our Laliga schedule away from home during this play offs.

UEFALONA !!!
And Bravo will prove how dumb we were for letting him go...sigh
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And probably Arsenal in the round of 16
And Pique tweets "Just another day in the office" 😂
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https://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/news/2016-2017/jasper-cillessen-joins-fc-barcelona

Cillessen it is !!! 13M euros fixed 2M variable.

Not the best option but same was being said about Bravo when we bought him , Bravo improves a lot after joining Barca and I hope same happened with Cillessen.

This sort of also confirm Bravo departure , he is been great player for the club , during his time he could easily ask to be full time no 1 with proper justification but he didn't.
barca already announced bravo was leaving like a week ago. they confirmed they were looking for a replacement given ter stergen was/is injured.
Leak ? No one did that but the deal and our serch for 2nd GK is been rather public.

Pictures of Bravo in traveling to city was all over the Internet and news papers.

18 + 2M Euros for Bravo , its official . Very decent price but we could have and should have forced City to pay more for him.
This is fukin sad. I am almost 100% sure we are gonna pay the price of letting him go, and it's gonna be biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig. Dam Dam Dam
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http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2016/08/20/57b8b088268e3ef2208b45a8.html

secretary fernandez announced it after you won 6-2 at the weekend.
Any of you guys know how good Lucas Perez is? Heavily linked to Arsenal so I wanna know if hes better than what we got

(Yes better than Sanogo)
Worth the 20M risk which is his asking price , different then OG , relies on his pace and moment rather then holding the ball , which works well in EPL
We were linked with him,good striker..
Oh Malik by your description, he's exactly the type of striker we are in dire need of... Anyways I doubt the move will materialise lol
^ also we might rekt Arsenal plans for Mustafi , if we buy Alcacer then most probably Valencia will hold on to Mustafi otherwise there will be Riots
If we get Manolas/Musacchio, then I don't think anyone would be bothered
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Mussacio is horrible defender. Rather go for Mustafi or Manolas.
FFS , Arsenal taking Major L once again

Cadena SER Coruña: 'Deportivo reject bid from Arsenal who want to pay Lucas Perez's €20m release clause in two installments.'
That's ridiculous. If you are going to be miserly about paying 20m, you can as well close your shop and walk away.
Don Andres is releasing his autobiography!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Artist-Being-Iniesta-Andr%C3%A9s/dp/147223233X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1471451785&sr=8-1&keywords=iniesta+book&linkCode=sl1&tag=headbook-21&linkId=03e4522e46e66b327e4e8fc8d8e3e0c3
*buys 10 copies*

Also: 352 pages? That's quite a lot, I look forward to it. I hope there's a big chapter about *that* goal against Chelsea; my favourite moment in football ever and it carved out a special spot for Andrés in my heart only Xavi has. And Xavi got it from a great documentary of his way of life, where he could be seen as a family man, talking about his favourite thing to do: picking mushrooms in the forests of Catalunya :D
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Never read an autobiography by a footballer before, considering Ineista is one of my all time favorite MFs to play the game. I'm gonna go out and buy it when it comes out.
Alcacer rumors are gathering pace again
. This time sources from Valencia reporting the negotiations between Barto & Lim are going on .

Valencia is desperate to get new cash injection to comply with FFP , deadline for which is already extended once.

Lim wanted to sell Alcacer from start & he wants to join barca but Valencia fans don't want him to leave.

TBH from what I have seen so far this season , now I think we don't need alcacer especially if he will cost rumored 30M + Munir and samper going away on loan.

If Lucho still wants forward then pay 20M to depo and buy Lucas Perez & sent samper on loan to granada ( they're interested in him ) to develop under Paco.
Rumours popping up that Munir will be sent on loan to Celta and we will be signing Alcacer. Spending 30m on a backup is insane, especially since we can have Turan/Denis play as backup forwards occasionally.
Thing is 30M for decent 22 Y/O striker is okay in current market but our problem is that we're spending 30M for a Backup player.

I wont mind if we continue the season as it is , both Munir and Turan looks capable to add the extra goals we need. If we buy a backup then sending Munir on loan will be good idea and i certainly will prefer to see him at Celta rather then the shambles Valencia are in.
I think we are jumping on the Munir boat way too quickly. Do you guys not remember when he first came on to the scene? Some people were saying he could bench Neymar...

Although he did have an amazing pre season and looks like a player with a lot of confidence, I still wouldn't trust him to replace MSN. I would rather see him go on loan and get minutes.

As for 30 mil for Alcacer I think is worth it. He's a proven goalscorer and is still young. Good back up.
Munir is farrrrr too young to take up the baton from MSN and be the super back up we would all love him to be. I still think he should have gone on loan with Sandro. His recent performances kind of gave me hope that he is worth investing into again and those performances should be used as a reason to send him out on loan than restricting his playing time because he'll be a backup to MSN. SanchezAlexis is right. Alcacer can score goals and although he is still young, I think he has more consistent experience than Munir which is what we need in a back up.
Just added Messi as Captain for dream footy. Anyone know when dream footy starts?
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/715/142/f6c.jpg
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Wtf thought it was back? Was just setting up my team now
I was charged for being a pro plus member recently so that's false. The game starts up from September 10th.
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Tnx
LOL the game is totally Rekt , I think only 12 Laliga teams are registered , many missing players including Ibra , it says i can make -999999999999 changes.

Also i should not complain as i never paid for Pro Member ship :D
Just checked my profile and in August 24th it's going to be 7 years since I became a member on this website. Crazy how time flies
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I am sick of watching Barca, started feeling this way last season. The only games that have been worth watching are Champions League and the Clasicos, other than that it is like watching a guaranteed victory with the random fluke loss.

On the flip side, I have been thoroughly enjoying the EPL and have been adamantly it. To the point of starting several fantasy teams.

I have always loved Barca and will continue to support them, but this is more out of frustration at La Liga for not making bigger depth in the league.
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I'm not sure if you're joking or not but when Chelsea won the league in 2014/15 season they only had 3 losses while Barca had 4. Last season Leicester had 3 losses as well while Barca had 5.


Also when Chelsea won the league, they were top of the table for all of the season. Stats and facts don't lie
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If you like inconsistency yeah you better stick with EPL teams
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Here is a fun guessing game...now imagine the barca and madrid teams playing league football in the epl, do you still think the league will be competitive or will it instead become a two horse league?
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We won't have this level of success once messi is gone. Enjoy it while it lasts, buddy
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I wholeheartedly agree with Hari, the mesmerizing game style you are seeing now is not going to live forever , once Messi and Iniesta retire, it will be back to boring football again, so cherish every moment while it lasts. Also how can you get bored of perfectly weighted and razor sharp passes ? that is the epitome of football.
Zorsita, I really wanna see Barca, Madrid and Bayern in EPL. I will guarantee you that it will only be between those 3 teams.
Zorsita: So you're implying that Barca and Madrid won't dominate the EPL? We're never going to see this happen in real life and its just speculation but considering that these two teams have won 6 out of the last 10 UCL's, it would be fair to assume they can figure out how to beat stoke city and Bournemoth. And I'm not even talking about Sevilla winning 3 Europa leagues in a row and 5 in last 10.
barca and madrid wouldnt exist as they do today in the epl. they would not have such dominance in the transfer market or even local talent in the academy, etc. resources would be shared in a more balanced way. the epl financial system simply wouldn't allow the duopoly the extent we see in la liga. barca and madrid would be weaker, the league on the whole would be stronger.

you guys keep talking as if teams exists soley as disparate entities. yes, drop barca in the epl NOW when tv money between the dou and the top in EPL compares then ok not as big a deal, drop them in the epl 5, 10, 15 years ago there's no way your team would look as it does now. way too many variables no one wants to even consider.

quite sure that, cultural/climate issues aside, if you re-created the situation in spain in england where 2 or 3 clubs have all the prestige, top training facilities, coaches, following/popularity, best players and finances, there would be as big a gap in quality as there is in spain right now between barca/madrid and the paupers they have as competition. it's like in france or italy. the quality players find their way to juve/psg or end up leaving. not the same situation in the epl, many teams have top/expensive players from other leagues. and the top domestic players are not funneled to one or two specific teams. bit more variety.

as you guys are finding out, when the academy dries up you have to spend to maintain standards. now imagine making a 75 million pound less per season on just broadcasting payments alone, having competition with more spending power to pluck away targets that might have reinforced the squad but would be guaranteed starters elsewhere, and paying a premium getting players from other domestic teams to join you. no way you get suarez for 65-70 million. liverpool would take you to the cleaners like they did chelsea for torres, or like arsenal did to us for RvP, or liverpool did with sterling to city or everton did with stones to city. spurs turned down 100m million from us to avoid selling bale to a competitor. they also blocked modric's move to chelsea for the same reasons. it's a vicious environment here in england, that helps to create some of the inconsistency and competitiveness you see on the weekends.

and thats before considering the lifestyle and climate differences that also attract players to spain's top 2, maybe you find it just a bit harder to recruit the best just for those reasons in some cases too. just saying, lots of variables to consider. i think your team would look a lot different so it's impossible to say.
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Saying the PL is inconsistency takes credit away from the rest of the teams in the league. You realize, most of the PL teams the top 4-5 PL teams face, spend quite a lot of money in bringing in some quality talent. Money that mid table to relegation teams in la liga couldn't afford. Sure teams in the PL have unperformed in recent years but the rest of the Pl teams have been getting stronger and stronger season after season. That's why its not getting any easier.

Now you guys wanna throw Madrid&Barca into the PL. Well not s**t you guys would dominate. Its easy to talk when you have Neymar, Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Benzema and Bale. 6 players that could easily be placed in the top 10 players in the world. Although I expect the playing field will level out once Messi and Ronaldo are done.
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This is such an old subject. If u like EPL great. If u like La Liga great. If u like both even better.
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I was implying Real and Barca would most likely dominate the epl and quite frankly any other league in the world with their current players and resources. Any team with Messi and Ronaldo would have a shot at winning a title. Looking forward to the day they both retire as they are nothing but cheat codes.
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Wow @Moe66 i just wanna say i read your post only after i posted mine and had a good laugh as we must have been on the same wavelength.
Bayern would give both teams a run for their money ;)
@che,if barca plays in epl,then you would've stopped watching epl already because of domination,lol..
@4ever, really, whats barca's away record like in the CL vs english sides? i think madrid have a very good record, probably due to their counterattacking style. barca's a bit spotty. i dont think you'd walk over us as you'd expect. im quite sure both barca and madrid would drop points, especially with that congested fixture list in december/january when you lot are used to your siestas and vacations ;)
^ Having a 10-15 days winter break really congest Laliga fixture for Month of jan. Month of Jan also usually have CDR matches which makes it more difficult.

Basically we get less numbers of days to cover for same amount of fixture
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Tactically speaking, English teams are noobs except for the top ones. Barca, RM and Bayern would walk all over them. Im sure the mid table sides of la liga are tactically far superior to epl counterparts.
malik the epl fixtures are just as congested, over a longer period of time, with no winter break. you can easily play 7 games in january, thats when the fa cup matches start for premier league teams.

case in point, liverpool played 14 games between 12/6/2015 and 2/6/2016 last season. 10 league and 4 fa cup games. united played 13 between december 5th and february 7th.

i dont know how cold it gets in spain in the winter months but the ground freezes over in england it wears down your legs so you have to consider that as well. we had so many muscle injuries last december, our squad was decimated and we went on a horrific run of form right when the games were every 2-3 days..
SIF, I understand your point, but EPL team has more players on there squad than any other league, so there is possibility for more rotation. Here is a comparison.

FC Barcelona
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona#Current_squad

FC Bayern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Bayern_Munich#Current_squad

Liverpool FC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.#First-team_squad

Manchester United FC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.#First-team_squad
SIF: I'm not sure if the winter break helps or messes up the schedule for Spanish sides. A break is always great especially for top sides who play a lot more games than others. It's not just physically but psychologically beneficial. On the other hand, barca, at times has played 3 games in a week depending on how the cwc, cdr and league games are scheduled. Playing locally in an extra cup and cwc are two different things because the latter requires long distance travel which adds to the exhaustion. Plus, most top English sides will go easy with the league cup and play their bench or b team to avoid injuries. So even though Liverpool played 14 games if it includes league cup, I doubt their starters played all those games.

Coming back to the original argument - you said if barca and madrid were in the epl they wouldn't have all those advantages including weather. Basically you're saying they would cease to be barca or madrid and be like any other club. The hypothetical situation that is being discussed implies these two clubs stay how they are and not turn into Everton or city. Lol Of course if Barça turned into city they wouldn't dominate. The point that was being made was against the notion that epl fans promote that barca with its play style and players can't survive in the epl. We're just saying that it doesn't make sense.
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Also may I add some numbers to the notion that barca has a horrible record vs English sides while madrid has done better?

Barca vs English sides in European competitions since 1955

72 games: 31W-21D-30L 127 goals - 86 allowed

Madrid:
30 games: 11W-9D-10L 43 goals - 38 allowed
yes EPL teams do generally go easy on the league cup (city and liverpool and chelsea have not gone easy in recent years though), which starts in september, but not the fa cup, which starts in january. there are two domestic cup competitions in england, forever adding to the crazy scheduling.

i didn't say horrible record, i just said it wasn't exactly a walk-over record.

and you went back all the way to 1955 lol, i obviously would only know about the recent record, lets say last 10-15 years. i think real have certainly had more success, they have beaten us a few times i can recall. dont recall barca winning many (besides obviously the CL final at wembly, which of course counts the most).

and we'll never know if barca can exist in the epl with current playstyle. it would be difficult in a way games, that i can promise you. i think current barca side isnt as concerned with possession and would likely cope, but old style pep possession i think has question marks.
On the topic of being 'sick' of Barça's success because of our predictable success:

I have that too in spells of time. Where I just can't bring myself to watch a game in full because I'm just a bit bored after a decade of levels of football in the world so much higher than nearly all opposition that winning is expected and anything less is a disappointment. But this epic era of Messi, with lesser Gods of Football by his side like Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Busquets and Suárez (Neymar can be the demi-god of playfulness) will never return.

In a few years time, all of those amazing players and their skill will be gone for good and we'll return to being a 'regular' top team in the world rather than the club everyone is in awe by, to the point of extreme jealousy. Then we'll revert to the state where winning several trophies a year isn't commonplace and frustrating spells of losses will occur once again.


For now though, enjoy the Messi-show.
SIF : Ask and thou shall receive lol

Since 2000 vs English competition:

Madrid: 6W-3D-4L

Barça: 12W-10D-7L
The perception comes from the fact that barca has drawn several games in recent times against English clubs. That's because English clubs have played barca with caution in the last 8-10 years. Barca also play English clubs a lot more than madrid who have faced more German clubs in europe than English clubs in the last 15 years.
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are these the away games as i stated or all games?
I hate everything about you....why do I still love you????
Those are all games. Come on man, am I your personal assistant? Haha Would you like some coffee with your statistics?
hey you're the one trying to counter my argument saying it's a common misconception, and you didnt even bother to bring up the right statistics!!
Halilovic came on as sub and scored this golazo for Hamburger. It's was the winning goal.

https://twitter.com/1887VDV23/status/767799961882861574?s=09
Messi-lovic he is...
also Bartra had another pretty good game for Dortmund.
Saw that goal earlier. Brilliant.


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