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We haven't dropped points to Betis in four years. Hopefully more of the same this Saturday.
I love how we are in complete control of how the Liga will end up. For Real and Atletico, even if they win all their matches they still need us to drop points to win. This makes our goal far more simple: as long as we don't drop any points, we win La Liga! ¡Visca Barca!
Interesting stat from top 5 leagues:

Most chances created:

Real Madrid (521)
Bayern Munich (461)
Spurs (460)
Napoli (453)
Man City (447)
....

Barca is at 9th with 407 chances created.

Number of goals scored:

Real Madrid (104)
Barcelona (102)
PSG (89)
Bayern (74)
Roma (74)

This after we missed several sitters and set a record for penalties missed. Even after being wasteful in front of the goal the quality of MSN speaks for itself.
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I wish we had past year stats for this. Would have been interesting to compare MSN to MVP for example
Last year, chances created:

Barca: 458 goals: 110
Madrid: 540 goals: 118
Bayern: 462 goals: 80
City: 532 goals: 83
Juventus: 456 goals: 72
Psg : 361 goals: 83
I just saw a video on an arsenal fan page which said that since arsenal last won the league united has won 5 titles, Chelsea 2, city 2, every club has changed their manager except arsenal. Its quite a damning statistic considering the current managerial environment. Maybe the arsenal board has enough reasons to hold on to Wenger because of their financial restrictions but I don't see how Wenger can continue any longer without bagging the league or the ucl.
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what financial restrictions? arsenal are in the top 10 in revenue, 345 million pound last year. in fact they made way more money than juventus and dortmund and spurs etc. dont even talk about other high performers like leicester and west ham.

oh, and arsenal have paid off their stadium already. they only bought cech last summer for like 10 million, but they had the funds for 42 million pound ozil and 35 million pound sanchez in previous summers. they must have money for another goalscorer or two this summer, surely.
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Well after they built the new stadium they self imposed spending restrictions including salary caps. Wenger has had to work through several years of that. Only recently after they reorganized their financial situation have they given Wenger the green light to make big purchases. Whether those restrictions were necessary or not is debatable but arsene didn't spend much money until about a couple of years ago. There's a lot of commentary which contradicts each other. Some arsenal fans think the restrictions were self imposed and had nothing to do with financial situation of the club and that wenger's philosophy and hatred of big spending was the main reason why arsenal didn't spend. In any case, ozil, sanchez and a host of other players were only bought recently.

Even after the current spending, since 04-05 their net spending on transfers has been €125m. Compare this with around 700m for city, 600m for Chelsea, 570m for united, around 700m for madrid, 500m for barca, arsenal lost a bunch of titles right there.

Doesn't matter if they spend money or buy top players. They are not winning anything big as long as wenger is in charge
Oh come on. Spending does make a difference. 400m deficit is a big deal.
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Franky, it does make a difference but that's only a small part of the problem. Look at teams like Leicester, Dortmund, Atletico, Juventus or even Tottenham. Surely they haven't spent more than Arsenal but almost all of those teams have won more than Arsenal have.
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I'm just saying that there's far bigger problems at arsenal , most notably the manager and his tactical acumen, that spending money won't make a big difference.
spurs haven't won anything to be fair, lol. hopefully leicester don't win on sunday but if chelsea beat spurs i think they win the title anyways
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Here's some interesting financial stats :

Between 03-04 and now the net transfer figures are as follows:

Dortmund: €100m
Tottenham: €205m
Juventus: €275m
Arsenal : €125m
Atletico: €175m

There's a perception that these clubs don't spend money. Yes, they don't compared to the city's, Chelseas and Madrids but compared to arsenal they have all spent more money. Mind you, arsenal's big spending happened in the last 3 years which completely accounts for the -125m.

I'm not saying these clubs have been more successful than arsenal because of money. Wenger has to carry the blame for most of it but let's also accept that arsenal is a top club which spends like a mid table club.

Edit: I just looked up Leicester city too. They have a net spending of €84m in the same period. Again, that has very little to do with what they're doing in the premier league but one has to wonder why arsenal is trying to save money at the cost of trophies and increased revenue from worldwide popularity.
I agree with most of the things you said except Arsenal being a top club lol. Finishing 4th every year while winning 2 FA cups in 1021023 years is not a top club.
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Come on mate. That's disrespectful. Arsenal is considered historically as a top 5 club in England. Liverpool hasn't won the league for 25 years. United didn't win the league for over 20 years. Arsenal had a perfect season 12 years ago. Barca didn't win a league for over 15 years. It doesn't change the status of the club.
As of now Arsenal, United and Liverpool may be a top club in England but not in Europe. They haven't done s**t to prove it lol
Franky, let me explain you something with an example - If i ask you to eat your favourite dish, you would eat it happily but if i ask you to eat that dish everyday, like for a week or so you would get bored.

thats the thing. we have been finishing either 4th or 3rd for the last 10 years.don't you think fans would get fed up with this? expectation of the fans are increasing day by day but we are exactly where we were 10 years ago. Now we are out debt but we're still not signing enough quality players.

last year we were the only club in top 5 leagues to not buy any outfield player let that sink in!!

All these things frustrate fans who consider this club as a big club.
^ I'm not saying fans don't have a right to demand better from the club. I personally think Wenger has overstayed at the club by around 5 years. If you go trophyless for 3 years, its time for you to go. Its difficult for a club to let go of a manager who has been around for a long as Wenger but if the results aren't coming its time for change.

I appreciate wenger's philosophy and how he hates the way money buys success in today's world. But that's the name of the game. You can't bring a knife to a gun fight. In wenger's case he's been bringing a knife to a nuclear fight. My only point was that for some reason arsenal decided not to spend. Whether it was Wenger or the board is hard to decide. Arsenal made a ton of money from the highbury development. I know selling condos in London and football are two different businesses but the investment needed to come much sooner.
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Utd are far from their best now but nothing lasts forever. We'll be back again. We are the richest club and arguably the biggest in terms of fanbase. Just wait u til messi gets old ;) you'll see what I mean.
^ You are forgetting this thing called La Masia. We will produce another messi. ;)
Our boy Suarez assists for a goal!!!

Woot woot! Bring back Denis!
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Superb first touch from him and didnt go all selfish.

He is coming back !!!!
Sevilla got 2 away goals. It looks like its going to be an all Spanish European final.
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We have a clause to bring him back right? It would be idiotic not to!

One problem I can see with that is that he is a regular starter in Villarreal while here he will have to compete for a starting position. So he'll have to think about it.
3m buy back clause . I'd be fuming if we don't use that option.
Holy s**t...so much disrespect towards Villareal in the Liverpool forum wow. Lol they think just because they've knocked out Dortmund they can beat anyone.
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You have to love Garcia Toral. He's so into the game running up and down the pitch Lol
Villareal-Pool game is intense. The defending has been phenomenal.
OFFICIAL: Borussia Dortmund have confirmed that Mats Hummels wants to join Bayern Munich next season. :/

This one feels way more worse then Gotze & Lewandowski transfers.
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Feel bad for BVB
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What about Auba and Miki??!

I'm sure Bayern will go after them soon if they haven't done it yet.What a shame for Bundesliga...
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Götze transfer still the worst.
Youth player, left club when the club was in the semi finals of champion's league. After winning two years in a row the Bundesliga. We clearly were on top of the world when Götze left.
Right now we are definitely not top 5 team in the world. Hummels thinks his chances to win CL in Bayern are much bigger. It's probably true.

Is he an infinite traitor who disappoints all those people who love him and support him? yes
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Why don't these guys go to some foreign clubs if they want to win big trophies? Bayern is not the only big club in the world you know
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These traitor thing really baffling me,first thing is that there is no such intense rivalry between bvb and Bayern,he is at the peak of career,quite normally looking for growth in financial wise and career wise and he may be like to stay in Germany than to go other countries.if am a bvb fan,I would be pissed too but as a neutral it wouldn't really makes me feel bad about this.traitor is very harsh word here IMHO.

We are all looking player's transfers on the eye of cooperate,let's being socialist and think about this,
'What if his performance dropped and one of from academy or club bought highly impressive defender,club would naturally opt him rather than even though old one refused to go to a better club interms of salary packages and success.I haven't seen anyone criticising clubs in that cases and almost all the time players getting all the hate when something happens from their side'.
^ ya that's true, we don't think twice when clubs treat players badly. It's a result of the weird nature of sports, where customers (us) pledge fidelity to corporations (clubs).

Imagine doing the same thing in other industries -- if for some reason you felt sad if Samsung sales dropped and happy if their sales went up. Pretty absurd haha.
Well not sure about the traitor thing, I think it is too much especially when the club is willing to sell.
That said, what bothers is even if Borussia and Bayern are not rivals, they still play in the same league, so Borussia is basically selling their best players to the competition , which means they basically have no problem if Bayern wins the bundesliga over and over, it may be ok if you do it once, but selling your best players to the competition over and over is probably not sign that you are serious about winning the bundesliga.
Oh well, really wish if Mats joined us, but since he is not, I don't really care where he ends up, as long as it is not within our competition ;-)
I don't know why people make such a big deal about these things. Hummels had big offers for the last 3 years. He's stuck around just like Reus. Football players want new challenges and of course more money as they age. Hummels could walk into united's starting line up and make £150k. Why shouldn't he?

Gotze signed with bayern right when they won the treble. Its like the best company in the world wants to give you a dream job for the money you desire. Would you let it go?
So you were happy when Figo left us based on your argument cuz he "wanted a new challenge?"

I think people are upset just because they are their biggest rivals in terms of the league. And if he did want a bigger challenge he could and would move on to a team from another league. It's basically a big f**k you to the fans and the team.

Hummels could've come here. Mancity, Manunited, but he had to go to the biggest rivals there are.

Are you also saying that if neymar left us for Real Madrid it's fine cuz it's a new challenge to him?. I completely disagree.
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We are just as big as Bayern munch of not bigger and if we showed interest. Then the least he could do out of respect to Dortmund who have done so much for his development is consider us a viable option as well.
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"So you were happy when Figo left us"

That would apply if Hummels went to Schalke, which is Dortmund's biggest rival not Bayern
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I said in terms of the league dortmound are the only team who can even dream of challenging Bayern Munich for the German trophies..

What I don't get is why people giving s**t to Bayern and their fans. It's not their fault Hummels wants to move. And Bayern would be stupid not to accept a world class CB.
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Like an example is if one of our biggest stars goes to say Atlético Madrid. They're not the biggest rivals we havr in terms of history but in terms of the league and the Spanish cup they are one of our biggest rivals. I wouldn't be ok if our stars went to one of our direct rivals for trophies
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totally agree Andres , especially if other league's teams have offers for the players. It is one thing if only Bayern was the only team interested.

Again, this is more concern on Borussia club than on the players. Also a bit awkward for the players to be playing his old team often.
The Atletico comparison is interesting given that we just got Arda Turan!

But yes I agree very un-classy from Hummels to move to Bayern. He's going to title rivals, after condemning gotze for doing the same thing. Plus he's the captain. He should have gone to some other club, especially since almost any club in the world would pay through the nose to have him
Andres: While your argument is true and it does piss off fans when players make such switches, you can't compare madrid barca to this. Barca, Madrid and to some extent Bayern in the current era represent the apex of football. You can't go any further than these clubs especially Barca. Players don't usually leave these clubs on their own, the club let's them go. So IF a player goes to madrid from barca, there is no reason other than more money to make the switch which was exactly the case in figo's transfer. Back then the financial gap between barca and madrid was quite a bit. These days its down to 100m in value.

I love Dortmund as a club but they will always lose players to Bayern. The gap between the two clubs is more than what it was between barca and madrid. As a neutral, who supports dortmund when they play and admires bayern, its only logical step up for a player who wants to continue playing in Germany.
Would like to see City and Atletico in the final!
we have the same wish mate ... further more, i want city to win it over atletico
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And Atletico winning it.. Man, they are dirty, but they have worked so hard years after year.. Plus, this year they don't have that quality they had in their last CL final and they are still nailing it.

Honestly man, Atletico and Simeone deserve one CL title.
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Why in the world would you want an English team to win it lol
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@SA because Pelligrini can leave like a boss
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Would you rather have RM win Sanchez?
No I would rather City go to the final and lose to Atletico :p
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This is quite confusing.First no body said bayern and second all of you are rooting for simone:P

lol
I rather wish football goes to the final, for me, I really would like Bayern and Real ( I know I shouldn't, but at least they sometimes play better than City, city is awful ). Not a big fan of Simeone anti-football tactics.
My order of preference is AM, City, Bayern, Madrid, in that order. I don't want Bayern or Madrid to add one more title to their all-time tally.
My preference is AM, City and Bayern. If Madrid is about to win, I'd like the UCL trophy to spontaneously combust on the podium.
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^ lol I second that
So ronaldo is out of Real trip to Anoeta , only if Sociedad put half of effort they put against us , they will have reasonable chance to get something off Real.

Atleti will host Rayo and it's a certain win for them. We have trip to Betis & good thing about it is that they have very little to play for , what still worries me is that Espanyol match , they will do every thing to stop us from getting 3 points and winning the title.
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We just gotta keep winning. Very unlikely that both Atletico and Madrid will simultaneously fail to get 9/9 points
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I agree with Tanmay on this one, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever we shouldn't win the next three matches, with the CL out of the way, our only focus is on la Liga and the team should be able to win the games regardless of what happens for Madrid clubs.
I honestly think RM will lose points over the next three matches. Atletico on the other hand, should win all three. Any room for error for us went out the door with that loss to Valencia. Betis, Espanyol, and Granada though?? Not the most difficult stretch of three games.
Espanyol can be tricky though given their thuglife attitude.

But given we are playing at home, we should do our job!
all what we get to do is winning the remaining games without looking at Madrid results... i believe there is no single easy game left ...all games should be treated as a final for us.. Betis game is the most worrying one for me.
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This team is good enough to not have to rely on others to mess up in order to win. If we can't win 3 out of 3 when we're playing once a week, we don't really deserve to win the title.
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They won't put that effort i'm sure
Totally agree with Franky, if we can't win the next three games on our own, with all the players we have, then we don't deserve to win la Liga let alone anything else.
i super agree with Franky too ... well said bro...cheerz mate... but honestly guys i doubt winning the remaining games and hope its just a doubt not ganna be a fact...
Some people still believes pep team still plays tiki taka,LMAO.
tiki taka doesnt work all the time so you need some diversity in playing style .... it becomes predictable to most of the opponents.


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