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I remember some of you guys being so happy about fkn Tata taking in charge of Argentina. I knew he was gonna be a flop with Argentina the first day...The guy knows s**t about tactics, it was obvious here at Barca. What did we win that year? He is s**t coach who doesn't know anything about football. Let's put it this way, how can Higuain play considering him playing bad in important games and meanwhile Tevez warming the bench. Not only he is clueless at tactics, he is also s**t at subbing players. I just hate his face right now, he doesn't deserve to coaching a decent team.

Not only this clueless' fault but the players as well. After losing WC final, I was expecting them to be mentally stronger and having the desire to win this cup at least but no I was wrong... They couldn't beat Colombia until penalties, they should have fought harder after that considering Chile is simply better than Colombia. It is also frustrating to see Di Maria getting injured at crucial times. I really wanted Messi to win this but I guess he is never going to win anything with Argentina in his life.
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So is it official? Is Higuain officially the biggest flop in the history of finals? He must have broken some records.
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Tata has all these stars of modern football and sill cant win? Higuain effect is huge tho....Atfirst Germany now Chile. Its Hard to win a Final when you have a player like Higuain to Squander chances. I don't Blame Messi at all...He is still the best for me.....If he decided to play or Spain he would have a WC..If Higuain decided to Score an Open Goal he would still had a WC...So I see no logic in Messi win a WC to be the Best...Maybe Glory.

Now lets look at Tevez! Maybe he is not good, but please, if you are a coach! Who would yu choose from the Bench? Higauin or Tevez. Tevez just won a Double in Italian football and he just broke the hoodoo by scoring the penalty against Paraguay...I would bet more on Teves in a Penalty situation. And you send in a player who squandered the best chance for Argentina in the WC final???..Higuain Chokes in these situation nd he is slow....If it was Kun or Tevez Argentina Could have won in the 90 mins today. Higuain was too slow to reach for that ball by Lavezzi. Atleast Tevez would have not do that bad in the spot kick....
I would defintey chose Tevez over Higuain Today....I don't see Arentina winning any Cups unless Simeone ever decides to take over. The Players are fine.
Bielsa would be perfect for this team..
I dont watch south american football but why did argentina and barcelona choose tata!!
Well apparently playing dirty as f**k wins you the Copa...Shitty ass refs whole f*****g competition, dirty ass f*****g South American teams (several teams had some dirty ass players that should have been sent off in many of the matches), if only they played the way you expect South American teams, usually cheeky and full of talented players, short passes, skilled driveling....This Copa America has got to be one of the worst I've ever seen...
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A couple of things wrong with your statements..

First off I honestly thought the refereeing today was great not alot wrong with it. If you're talking about the rest of the tournament then yeah I completely agree.

Second.. You really must watch more southamerican football because it is exactly like that. Questionable referee, usually one goal games, teams trying to pass above the defence to their main strikers. We are just used to European football but unfortunately this is how they play. You cannot say Chile played worse.
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Had Argentina won you wouldn't have called it the worst
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Congrats to Claudio Bravo for being a god. Treble plus a Copa America, it's been a pretty good year for him I would say :D
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Unfortunately Messi will never be considered as one of the best in history until he wins a major trophy with Argentina... he barely had an average game and partly was because of Chile but also because of his poor decisions.he need to pass the ball faster
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Argentina is not built around Messi and herein lies the problem. Higuain is NOT good enough and neither is Arguero. If Messi just plays as a forward, all the problems are solved, but no, people want to see the likes of Aguero, Higuain or Tevez leading the line, failing to see how inferior these players are to Messi. The simple solution would be to play Messi as the forward and have the midfielders get the ball to him. He would seal the deal. There is no need for Aguero, Higuain or Tevez. Simple as that.
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So you're telling me had higuain not bottle that chance vs Germany , haters would have considered messi the best ?

I really hate the logic behind need of WC to be considered greatest , it just basically means that 7 WC matches > 160 games played on average course of 4 seasons , utterly ridicules .

Let me tell you had messi won the Wc last year haters still would have said that pele had 3 WC whereas messi had 1 so pele is better
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Argentina needs a better coach first. It seems like every team has a good Argentine coach, except for Argentina
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But when Messi plays as a forward no one in the midfield feeds him the ball so he always has to come back deep.
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@KingLeo
Using Messi as a forward would simply mean that there is no space for Higuain, Tevez or Aguero, which means there will be 2 spaces left in the line up for 2 creative players to come in. Surely if you scout the whole of Argentina, you would be able to find 2 or 3 good ones.
Messi plays faster and arguably better in Barca. Whether it be because he doesn't trust his teammates as much is debatable but still fact remains he will Always remain criticized while he doesn't win anything internationally.
@LastGraspWinner
I'm just telling you that because what you suggested has been tried already and that's how Argentina matches played out because of it.
I may be worth trying again tho since Pastore is much better now than he was back then.
Relax bitches,someone inform me,copa will be there again next year,so let's wait for it..
Next copa america is in 2019 in Brazil right?
^ I thought it was suppose to be in 2017 but apparently for some reason it will be held in 2016 in Murcia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_América_Centenario

I guess Fifa really wants Messi to win something major with Argentina .

#Fifalona
That's the dumbest s**t I've ever heard. Messi won't be considered one of the best? He's considered the best. He doesn't need to win something with Argentina. Both him and Ronaldo are one of the best players in the history, but apparently not cause they can't win anything with their national teams.
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No SA... He won't...doesn't matter what you or any of us Barca fans say...he might go in history as one of the bests for us. For others he won't and it's precisely because of the Argentina argument unfortunately. And nobody ever says Ronaldo is greatest in history. Maybe one of the greatest of his time but never history
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I'm not sure what world you live in. Almost every legend says Messi is the best or one of the best the least.
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You guys are wrong though. Just because kids like to argue that doesn't mean that facts are different.

Simply put, how would you describe Puskás?
He has not won a WC or EC.

Is he not one of the best in history?


Team titles mean nothing when considering a single player. Pele is supposedly the greatest because he scored 1000 career goals, not because he happened to be in a team that won a tournament.
@andres

Independent of whether he wins or not with Argentina, Messi can very well be considered the greatest player of all time even if he doesn't play a single minute for Argentina for the rest of his career. and thats coming from a Madridista
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@andres

and yes, many people, even cules consider Ronaldo to be one of the greatest footballers of all time.
Thank you DaGaza. I'm not sure how people can judge two of the best players ever based on a couple of games played every few years. If anything, their consistency puts them head and shoulders above everyone elae
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This is an arguement I would not like to start because I'm on the side that says messi is one of the greatest. But people have a right to say that messi needs an international trophy. Who is to say Maradona is better because he did more for Argentina or messi because he did morefor the club point is people (and not kids people who grew up watching Maradona play) will always doubt messi it's very subjective topic and we cant be deluded to think otherwise
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"International football is very different to club football. In the most basic sense, it's just not as good these days and various changes to football over the past couple of decades -- the Bosman ruling, the abolition of the three-foreigner rule, increasing financial advantages enjoyed by the superpowers -- have meant top club teams would unquestionably beat top international teams.

The style of football is also more basic. International coaches don't have long with their players on the training ground, and their first instinct is to create a strong defensive unit, which makes the team difficult to beat.

Less attention is paid to attacking moves and there are fewer opportunities for forwards to develop harmonious relationships in the final third. It's trickier to play a false nine at international level, for example, because that style of play needs integrated movement, intelligent passing and everyone on the same wavelength."

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/2511167/podolski-klose-crouch-country-and-club-form-michael-cox

Is it really any wonder why players of high caliber who are used to more advanced systems tend to struggle in more basic, defensive international matches? Chile and Argentina were both playing extremely defensive and cautious. No forward/midfielder in the world is going to excel those types of tactics. It was a battle of attrition and you could tell in the first 20 minutes it was going to penalties unless there was a huge error or an absolutely spectacular team attack.
Many world class players haven't won national trophies. Maldini comes to mind, along with world class Italian players in that squad
Not sure what was the idea behind the switch between aguero and higuain. Like for like striker with the replacement much slower. He brings in Banega for Pastore. So he basically removes the only creative player in the midfield and puts in a cm player ahead of two proper holding cms. Plus Banega isn't even as good as the players he's surrounded by. Tata played negative tactics and with some bad luck (adm injury) lost the game. At least argentina created solid chances vs Germany. This time they were just defending. Ridiculous tactics with a group of world class players.
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Tata is an idiot coach. He has no place coaching a good side. Thank god we got rid of him
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I wonder if Tata even gives his players any tactical instructions before the match. He's so s**t. And why the hell does he play Higuain instead of Tevez and subs out Pastore instead of Biglia if his whole god damn "tactics" are based on individual skill.
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When I saw Di Maria go down, in my heart, it just felt like it was over. Messi + Di Maria wouldve been so difficult to handle as the game lagged on, but when he went down, Chile could just focus on Messi...
yeah, but Argentina have way more quality on and off the bench.

you have to want it :)
chile just wanted it way more.
Tevez wouldve wanted it...
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Tevez is a fighter. He's not as good as he used to be but he's still very competitive. The problem was two holding cms. You go with a double pivot you lose flexibility in formation.
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exactly.

Even Pereyra would have put in a better performance than some of the "world class" players out there.
Pereyra was awful whenever he came on for Argentina, not sure what you are going on about Spigy.
It was easy,banega for di Maria,peryera for pastor and tevez for kun,anyway Tata is worst.

By the way,tevez is in his best form of life..
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Primera División Table

Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
94
89
21
110
4
4
30
38
1
92
80
38
118
6
2
30
38
2
78
38
29
67
6
9
23
38
3
77
38
32
70
5
11
22
38
4
76
26
45
71
8
7
23
38
5
60
11
37
48
10
12
16
38
6
55
1
41
42
13
10
15
38
7
51
3
44
47
13
12
13
38
8
50
-6
48
42
16
8
14
38
9
49
-4
51
47
15
10
13
38
10
49
-22
68
46
19
4
15
38
11
46
-7
51
44
14
13
11
38
12
41
-27
62
35
19
8
11
38
13
37
-33
67
34
19
10
9
38
14
37
-31
64
33
21
7
10
38
15
35
-25
60
35
17
14
7
38
16
35
-35
64
29
17
14
7
38
17
35
-21
55
34
21
8
9
38
18
29
-29
64
35
22
8
8
38
19
20
-46
68
22
24
11
3
38
20
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