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Stuttgart toying with man city. 4-0 in 35 mins. Damn
But but English teams have best defense -_-
city's defense was miserable last year, but joe hart did well. my interpretation of the england-hazard jibe is that english teams in the bottom are more defensive than la liga teams who try and play football even if they lack the quality to compete. in the epl hazard gets double and triple marked. in spain i don't think teams do that, and if they do, it would be for messi and ronaldo types who score more goals.
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City's defense was bad but here's the thing, they conceded 38 goals in the league. United conceded 37 I think. Arsenal conceded 36. Southampton was the only team outside the top 4 which was under 35 at 33. Chelsea conceded 32 goals in spite of being super defensive in many Games. I'd think if Chelsea weren't as cautious they would easily have conceded 4-5 more goals. It seems like it's the norm these days in England.
Hazard is Chelsea's main player. He gets attention just like messi and cr7 get. So I don't see what the difference is.

La liga"s bottom teams don't have the players that bottom teams in epl can afford. So in spite of having better players and supposedly better English defense, English teams concede similar amount of goals in the league. There are many other factors that go in to this and it should never be a numbers comparison but if you see past records you'll see the defense they speak of isn't really all that.
"why dont more of you guys on footytube join our whatsapp group? im looking at you as well tharius and danny.... plus anyone from any fanbase is invited...

We actually spend hours discussing the same topics we do here.. but its even better since replies are instant..."

too lazy to make my own post. Post your numbers on my wall and I'll add you to the group! It's actually really fun
Is there a way to do it without a phonr number
I think you can create a username too with a fake #
St1or has to be the laziest guy i've seen in my life lmao
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Felling super ecstatic !!!

Missed both CDR & CL final because of exams , TBH didn't felt i did enough to pass in both of them but result came this morning and surprisingly i passed in both .

Digital party from me !!!!
congrats
Great! What exams were they ?
thanks mate
@blackstyle88 , ACCA , now i need to pass one more paper to be. a certified chartered accountant
Just.. lol
https://twitter.com/SportsBreakfast/status/626647596052910080/photo/1

"He has a distinctive, rodent-esque face"
ouch
They found him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLKO0YyUEAAGGrf.jpg

Meanwhile PSG announce the signing of a mystery player goes by the name of Angelo De Mario

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLK_O1lWsAADDX3.jpg
Can't believe people get paid for writing s**t like this .

http://www.squawka.com/news/what-does-eden-hazard-have-to-do-close-the-gap-on-messi-and-ronaldo/427759

" But considering the standard of La Liga defending is lower than Premier League defending, Hazard’s goal tally would be largely increased if he too were playing in Spain "

" lethargic Althelic Bilbao "

Hazard is amazing player but boasting he is getting for playing in EPL is just ridiculous

And then you have s**t like this

https://twitter.com/Neymarred/status/626907146320527360

Busquets at number 6 ? half of them are not even DM , I guess espn insiders spend lots of time playing Fifa .
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Lol at the ESPN article, half of them are like B2B midfielders. Where's Mascherano as well? At Liverpool he was one of the best defensive midfielders for us, I'm sure he has been great for Barca as well.
If Hazard was playing for RM or Barca his stats will be better because he will get way better service from the teams than Chelsea
^ it's a very tricky assumption to make , at barca and real hazard would not be the first choice for penalties and will have to play second fiddle to other players .

Not all players that play at barca get benefit from being surrounded with amazing players , eg Sanchez .
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^true, his goal scoring is not sensational but he will rack up alot of assists if he was to play for any of the 2 teams
^That's debatable as well. At barca, the entire game flows through messi. Hazard playing the neymar role won't have any better stats(assists) than neymar had last season.
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^ True , Hazard wont dictate the game if he was at Barca
Everyone always blames me for being a Belgium fanboy. And this Belgium fanboy will guarantee you that Hazard won't score more at Barça at all. He most likely would assist a ton more, though.

Neymar always looks to score first before thinking about passing (unless it's to his idol Messi). Hazard is the opposite.
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lol @ that espn list of defensive mids.

Just shows we are really lacking true DM's these days.
kind of sad. also sad that casemiro has returned and hasnt looked as good as he was previously.

sad sad sad sad
"But considering the standard of La Liga defending is lower than Premier League defending"

and yet no one in the premiere league couldn't make it past the last 16....

hazard is one hell of a talent but is he even better than the likes of Bale or Neymar right now? If you look at bale's first season in Madrid and Neymar's last season in FCB.. its hard to say that hazard's last season (which was his best) was better...
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^ funny thing is EPL defenders are the least technically capable defenders out of all top leagues , the only thing they focus in a defender is his speed & strength ,

Guys like terry and vidic both were / are technically good & dont posses the pace like other defenders in EPL but still shat on any EPL attack .

On top of that most EPL managers don't know how to organize their defenses properly , which result in indiscipline , heave physical and kamikaze type of defenders .
Whenever I hear this "epl has better defense" crap I always ask this question:

EPL has been the highest scoring league amongst the top European leagues for over a decade. So what is the deal? Does epl possess the best defense or the best attack? If epl has the toughest defense I'm not sure why everybody is scoring so many goals?

Diego Costa scored 20 in 26 starts for Chelsea. He scored 27 in 36 for atleti the previous year. Seems like life got slightly easier for him

Negredo scored some 20 goals for city by winter break until he had his shoulder injury after which his form dipped dramatically. Negredo had no issue adjusting to the tighter defences in England.

Silva improved his stats after moving to city. Same with aguero. Michu did better in England than he did in Spain. Yaya did better in England than with frickin barca in an easier league. There are players who struggle but usually players from Spain just ease themselves into English football. I'm not sure where this myth of difficult league comes from?
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But.. but.. EPL has more hooligans!
@Franky4fingers Soldado flopped in PL, he was scoring for fun for Valencia, that point is irrelevance, but the PL defense is not good as people say it is , Other than Terry , Kosc , Kompany none of the CBS will make it in La Liga teams
sorry man but koscielny wouldn't make it in barca, madrid nor atleti... and with mustafi and otamendi playing the way they are playing I dont see koscielny making valencia's squad neither...

He did have a good season though... but it would be very very hard to replace any of the pairing center backs of these 4 squads...
Gary Cahill for me is a very underrated CB in the epl tho... sometimes i even think kompany is being overrated.. given how poor he has been on various occasions in the Champions League matches.
Idno guys barca signed vermalen and matthieu.

Kos is honestly one of the most underrated CBs in the world
i agree DaGaza , Cahill is underrated , mostly because he was not over hyped when we moved from Bolton and also because he spend most of his playing time in pair with terry ,

As for koscielny i would have agreed with you if you had posted this couple of season back , in last two season koscielny have matured quite a lot and now is very good CB , i think he have quality to make it to either of Barca or madrid .
Drogbalampard: That's why I said, "There are players who struggle." Players from Spain usually do alright or better in England. If you follow the logic of some premier league fans, English players should just run riot in Spain but that doesn't happen. Bale used to play for an above average team in England and came to Spain to play for the highest scoring side for the past 10 years. His goals to games started ratio is almost the same over fewer games played in Spain. That means if he had played same number of games his record in Spain would have been worse than England even though the defenses he faces are arguably weaker while his teammates are much much better than spurs.

The thing is the premier league needs to promote this idea that's its the toughest league in the world in order to keep selling and making money. If you repeat something several times over and over again it will eventually become the truth. It doesn't matter if the record says something else.
Pedrito youve been so good to us over the years. So loyal I truly admire and appreciate everything you have done for us. I m conflicted in you leaving beause I know you want to playmore but the availability of our current squad is limited in you position. Nevertheless I hope the best from you and as a Barca fan I will always consider you a legend of Barca.

PS. heres a couple of fans who literally cry to him not to go:

http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/barcelona-fan-bursts-into-tears-after-pedro-fails-to-deny-he-s-off-to-manchester-united
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even though he is a barca player, its good when they show the character pedro has shown.. several times he has had to bench for new arrivals but till today he hasn't complained.. and he is a youth product, world cup winner, euro winner, 2x treble winner.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2533870-marc-bartra-damages-his-barcelona-chances-with-poor-showing-against-chelsea

Love the kid since Barca B but I have to be fair and say he has been sub par this pre season. He needs to make a statement now that there is a lot of competition for the CB position. If not then he should go to another team where he would be more appreciated.
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I wonder if he is even committed to the team anymore. After his good performances weren't rewarded, he might be going down the same path as Montoya :(
at this point i would be happier for him to see him go..
I agree completely. Bartra has been really underwhelming. He has been decent in the air but on the ground he let's players get by too easily. He has a lot to prove still
OT: This dentist from Minnesota paid $55,000 to kill a lion in Zimbabwe. Hunters are such a bunch of pussies. People who love to hunt innocent animals should be left in the jungle without any arms or high tech equipment and see how many scalps they end up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA01qhgF47Y
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We're one f****d up species and trying our best to f**k everything around us , you know something is wrong when a well educated person , pays a shitload of money for s**t like this .

I was listening to BBC radio yesterday on same topic and cant believe there was a lady on the show that was boosting about her hunting a giraffe and justify it by saying that she didnt hunt it for fun as she used full body of giraffe ( for meat or sold the rest )

Then you have some crazy arsehole pouching rhino horns , elephant tusks !! FACEPALM
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Yeah, once I read that I cried with frustration and sadness. I honestly hate mankind too often for my own health. I made a beautiful picture of Cecil the lion my profile picture on my login screen of my laptop at work as a tribute but also as a reminder.

Recently I told my parents I might not want to have kids because I principally believe there are FAR too many humans on this planet already and they went pale as a ghost, haha :) We were just having a discussion about the 7+bn people in comparison to only a handful of nature's majestic creatures. The extinction of white rhinos for sex drugs started the debate and the world being (mis)shaped by humans too much soon was part of the discussion too. They both agreed with my points of view. But then I mentioned I should therefore follow my own principles and not populate the world further and they were like "Now wait a sec son... Those 2-3 extra humans won't matter, and you can raise them to change the world for the better!"

But yeah, 95% of all people are quite good people really. It's just that 5% of 7bn people still makes a LOT of assholes that ruin our planet.
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95% of people are not good.

Also Jereon you should have children and raise them well. That is actually the solution to the problem: educating and training the next generation well.

but i believe people are inherently evil.
Here this is that arsehole & this was not his first hunt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11773653/Cecil-hunter-Walter-Palmer-wanted-to-kill-an-elephant-after-killing-the-lion.html

Still cant understand the pleasure of hunting a defenseless animal with all advance weaponry , if you have that much balls why dont you try & hunt animals with your own bare hands .
I think theres nothing wrong with hunting. but its not necessary anymore.

I think if you hunt anything with a gun and dont eat it your a dick. or if you hunt something for sport. especially species with low population numbers.

hunting deer is fine cause they are just big rodents to me. so many of them

however fishing is different for me. I like to fish but we catch and release if they arent within regulations or eat the ones we can keep.
Hunting to eat is natural but wanting to hunt and eat near extinct species is disgusting behavior. I understand the need to hunt deer. If you don't their population will be out of control. Fishing for game or to eat is understandable but I still don't like the idea for sport. The fact that you're causing discomfort to a fish by puncturing its jaw with a hook is not cool. Fishes don't die because if that but it's unnecessary.
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Franky yeah but at the same time nature is a dog eat dog no prisoners world. Animals decimate eachother. Just how it works.
I prefer to be an optimist, Danny.

'Good' in my book doesn't mean flawless or saintly. I believe I'm a good person, but I too have lied at times, I have even stolen a couple of things (in the broad sense of the word) and I've done many more things I'm not proud of. And I'll do many more before I die, presumably. But I can say I do a lot more 'good' for the people around me than bad. I wish I could say the same for our planet, but truth be told, as a western person, it's damned hard to do 'good' for the planet. I don't consume nearly as much as most people, but I still go to work (with public transport) and therefore use gas. I use a lot of electrical appliances and therefore am responsible for some nuclear waste and I use all kinds of products there may be harmful for the environment too.

Still I'm convinced I'm a good person and I think the vast majority of people are. But, like I said, 5% of 7bn people are assholes. And very often the ones with a lot of power are part of that 5%, so they're far more influential than most other people. In total, that makes humanity a race of assholes for most other lifeforms.
Rumors again about Liverpool wanting to make a transfer for Adama Traore, he looks like one of your best prospects in your academy and I'm sorry but I would be stoked if we got him from you guys.
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All of a sudden everyone's an expert. How many minutes have you seen him play live? Probably none. But hey, watching 10 minutes of youtube highlights makes everyone an expert about our youth squads.

Anyway, yes, Adama is one of our best prospects, but if you'd watch the games you'd know out youths are no longer what they were once. The coach of the B-team is no good and the team had a terrible season. Gambling many millions on a very raw prospect is a luxury only English clubs can afford, I guess. Because £12m (his alleged price) is a ridiculous amount of money for him.

Unrelated to Liverpool, it disgusts me that clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea are able to hoard foreign -18 players and somehow WE get a transfer ban. I really wonder why Spanish clubs, us foremost, are getting punished for that but the English clubs who've been doing it on a much larger scale get away with it.
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Jereon how can u say you say that when u got Messi when he was what 13 years old? Your club even paid his medical bills for his health problem which is admirable, and now he's up there as the GOAT players... As far as I'm away, Messi counts as a foreign player, so isn't what u say a bit hypocritical... Its not the English clubs fault that we have no restrictions, at the end of the day it comes up to the player whether they leave or not
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Yeah, I've been reading that the B team got relegated which is why so many of the youngsters are eager to leave on loan. Honestly, we've paid worse for worse players so I can see it happening. It seems like I've stepped on your toes, so I'm not going to try to get into a debate about English clubs and Spanish clubs. I just really like Traore and he is one of my favorite youngsters under 20, besides Ibe. I'm not going to pretend I've followed every single game, I've mainly watched highlights here and there since his Huesca game. I remember posting here about him, last time you guys played Huesca.
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Xgooner: Messi came to Barca at age 11. That was 16 years ago when FIFA laws were different.

Jeroen: We got a transfer ban not for transferring players but for not filing appropriate paperwork and getting proper approvals. The law that we got cited for provides conditions under which "under aged" players can move to a new country to train with a club. We fulfilled those conditions except we didn't keep up with FIFA's administrative process in spite of the fact that FIFA gave a warning for the same players 1 year prior to taking action. It sounds trivial because its BARCA (that's what the management also thought) but many clubs use loopholes to circumvent protections given to minors. This problem is much more rampant in Spain than in England.

English clubs will sign youngsters from Spain because Spanish law doesn't allow spanish clubs to offer contracts to players below 18 while English law does. Obviously English clubs have more money to gamble on untested youth as well. Its unfortunate but that isn't really anyone's fault.
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Based on what i have read on totalbarca.com wwbsite, Adama's biggest strength is dribbling. He can beat his marker consistently. But he has serious flaws in his game. His off the ball movement and his in-game IQ is very poor. He seems to be a one trick pony even though he is quite good at that. I think that is why lucho did not promote him and he rather promoted Sandro and Munir.

Anyways, I hope he leaves Barcelona only on loan.
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Hari, that was one of Sterling/Ibe's biggest flaws as well. Kept their head down and basically just tried to dribble as many players as possible, it was really obvious their talents but their ability to read the game was really poor when I first saw them (on ball+ offball). Nowadays, both players have hugely improved on their ability to read the game and what I've learnt from that is it's a combination of nervousness coming into the first team and inexperience with linking up with the rest of the first team. I'm sure once Traore gets more consistent chances to link up with the first team, he will show you how good he is. I remember giving BR so much s**t about giving Sterling so many minutes despite showing so little progress initially, but then game by game he improved and eventually became an integral part of our squad. I think that's one of the flaws of today's game is that we just don't have enough patience anymore, most top teams demand immediate success.
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@F4F: thanks for clearing that up. Never bothered enough to look into the details of our ban, but from what info I gathered I thought we got the ban for getting too many youngsters while a club like Chelsea has literally bought 50+ under 18 players in the last couple of years. Seems like I was wrong and that's allowed then, as long as the FIFA conditions are met?

@Skorm: Now that I re-read my post, it sounds kinda harsh on you bro. Thanks for not taking it personally, it wasn't meant to be. It's just frustrating that the whole world is after our youngsters ever since Wenger figured out our academy was the best. And with the poor performances of our youngsters of late, I can't help but feel some of them actually get OVERrated whereas they were constantly underrated in the past.
5 or so years ago, half of the academy graduates were unpolished diamonds, now though only one or two are potentially A-team material.
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Also regarding the Barca transfer ban:

According to FIFA rules, you can sign up underage players under several conditions, one of which is that their parents moved to your city/counry for non-footballing reasons. That's why you are supposed to "find" work for the parents and then sign up the kid. Barca did it in reverse order.

Furthermore, these rules apply to people OUTSIDE of the EU and the Barca ban is specifically about kids from Asia/Africa.

Within the EU there is freedom of movement for all people. So that's why English clubs can hoard as many EU underage players as they wish. Chelsea can "buy up" every single Belgian kid and it would still be legal.

Footyman: You can't "find" work for them. The idea that a club can assist a parent in finding work just to have their kid train is also not acceptable to fifa and is against the spirit of the law. There's a story of this American kid who's parents came to barcelona and were under massive debt because of the move. A big club can easily facilitate such a move artificially but here's the problem:
1) Fifa wants parents to move to the city or within 50 kms on their own will without any association with the club. People from noon western nations rarely make such moves because they will never get visa nor will they ever have the money to finance a move to the west
2) By doing so the club literally uproots the entire family. There's anecdotal evidence that entire families were pushed into poverty when the club didn't select the player.

You can get kids from outside europe but you have to provide them every form of facility such as education, social skills etc in addition to football education. All this has to be documented and submitted to fifa. But the most important aspect of this is it has to be approved by fifa. Fifa as an organization is a behemoth when it comes to bureaucracy. Barca provides all of the above to kids just line Chelsea or united. They messed up the administrative work for some 10 kids. It's like you were speeding and you get a ticket. You say that's fine I'll pay buy you forget to pay and there's a warrant issued in your name.
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What you say is true, and I know that. Thanks for clarifying it. Let me put "find" in quotes.

On a side note, MAYBE one of the reasons Barca got banned is due to arrogance: wooohooo, we're Barca with the great la Masia, we can't ever be accused of sth wrong.
Its not necessarily arrogance but rather incompetence. Also the rules regarding transfer of minors are relatively new. Sooner or later one or the other clubs was going to get entangled in the process. Unfortunately barca was the first. Fifa had to make an example out of barca even though there is no precedence for the ruling. Now other clubs will back off and be more careful. In the end its good for children. And we ended up with a treble so its better that barca was the first in line for the punishment.

Arsenal's like, "Can we get punished too if it results in a treble? Is that what we've been missing all this while. "
So Real are now build a youth team Galactico .
We have been really successful with young players joining our first team. Take Ramos,Marcelo,Varane,Benzema and Higuain for example,they all signed when the were 19yo or even younger.

Right now,with the names lie Varane,Isco,James,Jese,Carvajal,Danilo,Lucas Silva and Casemiro,you could say that Madrid has the team with most potential for the future. You could even add to that list Kroos and Bale,they are both still young.
Pejvl , Please tell me you didn't included Ramos,Marcelo,Varane,Benzema and Higuain as players from youth team ( which i posted about ) because all of them were bought for first team ,

There is a difference between buying an 19 year old for first team and buying a U18 player and pushing him to first team through youth system ,

Since last season you guys have bought number of Spanish young player for your B team , at time paying a lot in transfer value and wages ,

If perez continues as your president for another term im sure we all know hardly of the youngster you bought will make it to first team .
Oh I mentioned those 5 on purpost,exactly because they were both very young,but they went to first team straight away. They were all far from finished products when they came(Varane still is),but they grew amazingly in time.

My point was that we do a very good job of integrating players like them into our first team,and fulfilling their potential. I'm also aware Perez brought some new talent to our youth system,but for them we'll have to wait and see. Some of the academy players like Carvajal,Jese and Nacho are doing fine with us,and now we brought back Lucas,Casilla and Cheryshev,also guys who got trough our academy.
I'm sorry but how were Ramos, Marcelo or Benzema unfinished products? Varane is the only one on that list who was developing. In theory every player develops until he peaks and any player will learn a lot playing at a top club like madrid but none of these players were developed by madrid. Ramos was already a star when madrid bought him. He has never played less than 40 games per season for madrid. Ramos was never a great "defender" (error prone) but he's possibly one of the best ever attacking defenders because of his natural role at RB.

Marcelo was also a stud when he joined. Even he got many games very quickly at madrid. Benzema had a 20+ goal season at lyon prior to joining madrid. He was only a bit skinnier before than he is right now. I don't think he's ever scored less than 20 goals in a season.

Madrid has always picked up most talented young prospects and combined them with the best established stars. At least that's what they've been doing since perez came to power.

The reason why all this talent accumulation hasn't resulted in success is because of perez' interference in team selections and his obsession with creating a marketing juggernaut at madrid. Attacking players sell more merchandise but too many of them create an imbalance in the team. That's been madrid's story. But let's not confuse it with some kind of youth development program. Perez is a businessman and the bottom line is the most important to him. If adm was more marketable he'd get a bigger salary. James was bought because 1) He's one of the best upcoming talents and 2) He's a superstar from colombia, one of the biggest markets in South America. Madrid lost brazil and argentina to barca. So it makes business sense.
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@F4f

Ronaldo was another youth product of Madrid. So was Raul, Figo and Beckham!
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0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
C/L  C/L Qualifying  UEFA Cup  Relegation 

In the Barcelona Forum

by Jeroen
7 comments
592 comments
by Tanmay
25 comments
3 comments
1 comments

In the Stands

1 comments
3 comments
5 comments
2 comments
27 comments

   
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