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So apparently during last Intl break Arg NT flew on same plane which crashed carrying chapecoense players :/

That particular flight was for 4H04M and plane was carrying fuel just enough for 4H22M. The initial reason for the crash was lack of fuel.
Most of Argentine footballers are rich enough to get a private jet to wherever they want. Why do these guys take such risks?
Messi and Co didn't pay or tried to avoid paying 4.1m euros in taxes for 2 years on image rights and he ended up being sentenced to 22 months prison and 2.1m euros in fines. His case seems to be driven more on politics than actual substance. New documents have revealed that Ronaldo routed 150m euros through dummy companies located in British Virgin Islands. Spanish Tax authorities have been investigating him for over a year now. The set up seems to be similar to what Messi, Mascherano and Eto have been accused of doing in order to avoid paying taxes on image rights. CR7's case runs back to 2009 when he signed for Madrid. There's also some issue with taxes in UK which seem to be unpaid. Statute of limitations applies for up to 4 years but the government can make exceptions in special cases which is what they did in Messi's case. Early case readings are suggesting that they could charge Cr7 with 2 years prison for every infraction unless he pleads guilty, pays a fine and settles for the minimum sentence of 2 years which he won't carry out as first time offender just like messi and mascherano. That's only IF there is a case.

Until now it has only been leaks through German newspapers but Spanish tax authorities are seeking access to all documents that these newspapers have (18 million documents). Ozil has apparently already paid 2.1m euros in backtaxes and has a fine of 850K euros pending. Jose Mourinho is also accused of similar financial chicanery of 10m pounds through companies registered in New Zealand in his wife's name.

I think there will be more football players named in situations like this as more european governments go after tax evaders. I'm surprised nobody in Italy or France has anything going on. It simply cannot be just a spanish problem.

The reason why so many players are involved in this is because in spain, players are charged a tax rate of 45-52% for income over 600K while corporate tax is around 30%. Tax rate on personal income for football players is even higher in Catalonia. They are allowed 15% of their income through corporations. So players found a loophole under which they created companies which earned the image rights income. This company would be held under the name of a relative. The only way this company would be fraudulent if it shows no business activity. All of this has been going on for many years but lately the government changed the criteria under which it goes after football players. This seems to be motivated by the spanish government's desire to increase tax revenues. It is also a good distraction from the awful economy that has been prevalent in spain since 2008 recession and paints a picture for the government that they're sticking up for the little guy. Players like Alonso, Casillas, Pique, Iniesta, Salgado, Puyol, David Villa, Llorente have all received notices or fines from tax authorities. I have conflicting opinions on this. On one hand, I'm all for making everybody pay their fair share but on the other hand its tax law enacted by the government. They keep loopholes in tax law and then call anybody who uses the loophole, a criminal. Big corporations have been doing it for decades. Apple Inc, paid a tax rate of 0.0001% in Ireland for their sales in Europe, middle east and India because they opened two companies in Cork, Ireland and loaded up all their research expenses including those in USA on this company. That offseted their European tax bill dramatically and now the EU is seeking 13bn in back taxes from the Irish government.

Its funny how rich people are so frickin greedy. Messi and Ronaldo make close to $100 million per year and Apple has a net profit of around $8bn. Paying a bit of money is such a big problem?
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Ronaldo won't even let Messi have a tax scandal of his own. Competitive !!!

Jokes aside , I haven't read into this story much but apparently Jorge Mendes is master mind behind this latest scandal
It seems Florentino is already threatening Spanish media not to talk about Cristiano's tax fraud. El Mundo already reported they have received threats
Malik: When the Messi story blew up along with investigations into Iniesta and Pique as well as side stories about Mascherano and Adriano, it was clear they were after Catalan based players. I've always believed that there have to be Madrid players doing similar things but they were all under the radar. El Mundo and Des Spiegel is reporting that CR7 has been under investigation for over a year now. Usually authorities don't reveal inquiries until they have a case and are ready to press charges. But its interesting that Ozil had a case and now CR7 but somehow all the other Madrid players are clean. lol
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^ I read that modric, pepe & coentrao are also being relegated
Lord Douglas scored for Sporting lol
Even Lord Douglas has scored. Paco needs to score in the next game which he will start
What was the point of getting Paco? Why not just keep Munir?
When we jokingly said lord Douglas was here for to replace MSN,we didn't know that it was literally right thing to say,lol.sporting coach actually figured out Douglas best position in rw and he is playing some great football from that position,good to see.

Moe,the idea of loaning munir is to get more minutes for him,but that move becoming a disastrous move,not only because paco ain't doing any good but also the fact that the coach who wanted him at valancia sacked after just three games and the new one isn't interested to play him starting line up.
That was not that bad. We played better and deserved to win but we didn't, and that's football. Iniesta is back and there's only getting better from here on. Being able to control midfield is what Barca needs, both in attack and defense. No more injuries to star players and we will challenge for all titles this season. RM luck shall fade away soon,(not everyday is Sunday)!! :)
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Agree with everything you said, except the luck part. I think we need to start facing the truth about Zidane, he was a magnificent player and is showing he can be a great coach too. Winning the CL last year and leading the Liga with 6 points is impressive nonetheless. While Madrid may not be playing sizzling football like Barca, but Zidane is keeping them pragmatic and focused.
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Hilarious games in epl today involving both Liverpool and United. 😂
Love how Real Madrid wants to be like us in every department.

Transfer ban...
Tax evasion...

Someone tell them, they should start with the football part first.
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Dude, get over it already...
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Get over what exactly?
+7
Over the fact you drew us yesterday and over the fact you hate our ass
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Tax evasion is not related to yesterday's match. You're really allergic to facts dude!
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The reason you started about it is because of frustration towards us, it's crystal clear.
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In Zizou, we believe!! He can read you F4F.
+4
Why are you starting about Zdane all of a sudden?
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These thought police from madrid are amazing. I would have posted about tax evasion IF it had surfaced last week or next week. The Zidane topic was being discussed and I educated you with facts.

No correlation! Stop trying to read minds. You're not good at it.
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You educated me with facts, so the things I said aren't facts too? The 33 games without defeat isn't real then? If you only highlight the negative facts, I'm going to highlight the positive facts. That's quite fair right?
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Firstly, my post was banter. So I'm not sure why you're getting your panties in a bunch. Madrid forum is a cesspool of garbage troll posts. Do you go about policing them too? I would joke about CR7's tax evasion even if Barca had won the game.

Secondly, I "highlighted" Zidane is a good man-manager. Carlo was also a good man-manager but he was doing wonders with players like Di Maria in terms of strategic positioning and change in roles. Anybody could see has a vision.

As for the draw, the first half was dull and uninspired by Barcelona. Madrid played "better" but most of the chances were more like half chances. Malaga and Real Sociedad gave us more problems than Madrid. A team on a 33 game streak against a team struggling for form should have played better. We didn't convert our chances or it would have been a 3 goal loss for you. But that is football and things don't always work out. Its not even like Barca was playing clamp down defense. Which is where my criticism of Zidane lies.

Zidane is clueless going forward. Majority of Madrid's goals are from crosses. Then there are goals off steals. Madrid has been the best counterattacking team in europe since Jose's days. The big chance that Madrid created was a random floated cross from Marcelo which ronaldo missed. And that's what Zidane does - when all else fails, cross. Or even before that. Or from the start of the game - cross and them bum rush the opponent. Like I said, Zidane is a good man manager but not much else. There's a reason why Isco and James (two creative CAM's) don't play regularly for Madrid.

33 games undefeated is certainly commendable and I'm not taking credit away from Zidane. Benitez managed madrid for 18 Liga games and he had 4 draws and 3 losses. In 18 games Zidane had 2 draws and 1 loss. Benitez had 5 wins and a draw in UCL. Zidane had 5 wins a loss and a draw - against teams that were the worst of the lot available.

My point here is Benitez wasn't given a chance. The guy was 4 points behind treble winning Barca and won all his games in UCL. He gets fired. One bad draw in the UCL and Madrid would have ended up with zero trophies.

The fact is Madrid and Barca put on undefeated streaks regularly. Madrid has some fundamental structural flaws within the team. Wolfsburg, Gijon, Alaves scored right through the middle. Even Legia Warsaw scored 3 goals, 2 of them off passing through the middle, behind closed doors! I think the only person on your forum who actually sees this flaw is Tharius. Maybe Zidane is a genius and I'm totally wrong about him but unless he somehow fixes these issues, wake up call is coming. Most teams won't miss a 85th min penalty like Gijon.
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To be fair, I ain't a big fan of how we play too. But the fact is that we rarely lose points and that for me is the most important. I think it hasn't that much to do with coincidence or luck. Of course we got lucky sometimes, but every team that wins a trophy needs some luck. We're not playing the most attractive football at the moment, but it works..
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the only thing im glad about is the return of andres. and how well busquets played again.
Well said... but we cent deny that we have so much things to worry about ....
They were saying on espn that this game will show that madrid has finally come out of barca's shadow. Maybe madrid can start showing it by not celebrating a draw.
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Lol winning 1 Liga in the past 8 years is not even considered being in our shadow. They are not even near enough to be in out shadow
+7
Let them have their moment. History will remember this past decade as the era of Barça, just like the '50s were Real's.

Like I said before though, I think the era is almost at an end. Puyol has retired years ago now, Xavi, perhaps our most enigmatic player and the director of the team, is clearly missed too. Iniesta is the last of the old guard that lead the team to so much glory. Messi is obviously incredible, but he no longer is the unworldly force he was in 2012 and before. Once he, Piqué and Busi are gone, gone will be core of our success.
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I don't think we played badly, there were moments of brilliance , but we didn't bury our chances, Madrid has every right to celebrate, they denied us two points and were able to limit the damage. I was actually expecting a bad game from our side, which we didn't have , too bad we didn't get the full three points , but stuff like that happened and it is still a long season, we can still catch up.
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La Masia has suffered BECAUSE of our stars. It happens to every club. La Masia produced so much talent in such little time that it became impossible for any budding talent to replace them. We have Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets - each one is amongst the greatest players in the history of the sport. Unless we have another messi, the younger players cannot get a look. Even a player as good as Thiago couldn't get into the first team.

Carles Alena is being called the next Iniesta and Sergi Samper is supposed to be the next Busquets. We also have some good talent in Barca B though I'm not sure they can be on the first team anytime soon.

The current management has changed the system throughout the club. Its like those get rich quick schemes. They're buying players for Barca B as well. Once Messi is gone, we are going to struggle for sure. The current team can stay competitive for another 2 years but they'll need big replacements pretty soon.
That Alena kid is good. I hope he gets more minutes with the first team!!
Jeron you just made me cry:'(


i grew up watching old messi, inesita, xavi, puyol. the team composed of those great players have always been second favourite team in the Europe.
How many last minute goals has Ramos scored now????

:-/
If you dont finish your chances. You will end up on the wrong side. Barca and City should have buried todays games


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D
W
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34
25
12
37
0
4
10
14
1
28
19
15
34
2
4
8
14
2
27
5
20
25
3
3
8
14
3
25
17
11
28
3
4
7
14
4
23
9
10
19
3
5
6
14
5
23
4
19
23
5
2
7
14
6
23
3
17
20
5
2
7
14
7
21
2
19
21
5
3
6
14
8
21
-2
26
24
5
3
6
14
9
20
3
22
25
4
5
5
14
10
20
2
21
23
4
5
5
14
11
19
0
17
17
3
7
4
14
12
17
-3
17
14
5
5
4
14
13
15
-11
28
17
7
3
4
14
14
14
-14
25
11
8
2
4
14
15
13
-6
24
18
7
4
3
14
16
12
-7
26
19
8
3
3
14
17
12
-13
28
15
8
3
3
14
18
8
-17
30
13
8
5
1
14
19
7
-16
29
13
9
4
1
14
20
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0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
23
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
24
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
25
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
26
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
27
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
28
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
29
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
30
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
31
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
32

UEFA Champions League Table

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D
W
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12
12
4
16
1
0
4
5
1
8
2
9
11
1
2
2
5
2
5
-3
8
5
2
2
1
5
3
2
-11
15
4
3
2
0
5
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