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Just added Messi as Captain for dream footy. Anyone know when dream footy starts?
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/715/142/f6c.jpg
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Wtf thought it was back? Was just setting up my team now
I was charged for being a pro plus member recently so that's false. The game starts up from September 10th.
Just checked my profile and in August 24th it's going to be 7 years since I became a member on this website. Crazy how time flies
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I am sick of watching Barca, started feeling this way last season. The only games that have been worth watching are Champions League and the Clasicos, other than that it is like watching a guaranteed victory with the random fluke loss.

On the flip side, I have been thoroughly enjoying the EPL and have been adamantly it. To the point of starting several fantasy teams.

I have always loved Barca and will continue to support them, but this is more out of frustration at La Liga for not making bigger depth in the league.
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I'm not sure if you're joking or not but when Chelsea won the league in 2014/15 season they only had 3 losses while Barca had 4. Last season Leicester had 3 losses as well while Barca had 5.


Also when Chelsea won the league, they were top of the table for all of the season. Stats and facts don't lie
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If you like inconsistency yeah you better stick with EPL teams
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Here is a fun guessing game...now imagine the barca and madrid teams playing league football in the epl, do you still think the league will be competitive or will it instead become a two horse league?
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We won't have this level of success once messi is gone. Enjoy it while it lasts, buddy
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I wholeheartedly agree with Hari, the mesmerizing game style you are seeing now is not going to live forever , once Messi and Iniesta retire, it will be back to boring football again, so cherish every moment while it lasts. Also how can you get bored of perfectly weighted and razor sharp passes ? that is the epitome of football.
Zorsita, I really wanna see Barca, Madrid and Bayern in EPL. I will guarantee you that it will only be between those 3 teams.
Zorsita: So you're implying that Barca and Madrid won't dominate the EPL? We're never going to see this happen in real life and its just speculation but considering that these two teams have won 6 out of the last 10 UCL's, it would be fair to assume they can figure out how to beat stoke city and Bournemoth. And I'm not even talking about Sevilla winning 3 Europa leagues in a row and 5 in last 10.
barca and madrid wouldnt exist as they do today in the epl. they would not have such dominance in the transfer market or even local talent in the academy, etc. resources would be shared in a more balanced way. the epl financial system simply wouldn't allow the duopoly the extent we see in la liga. barca and madrid would be weaker, the league on the whole would be stronger.

you guys keep talking as if teams exists soley as disparate entities. yes, drop barca in the epl NOW when tv money between the dou and the top in EPL compares then ok not as big a deal, drop them in the epl 5, 10, 15 years ago there's no way your team would look as it does now. way too many variables no one wants to even consider.

quite sure that, cultural/climate issues aside, if you re-created the situation in spain in england where 2 or 3 clubs have all the prestige, top training facilities, coaches, following/popularity, best players and finances, there would be as big a gap in quality as there is in spain right now between barca/madrid and the paupers they have as competition. it's like in france or italy. the quality players find their way to juve/psg or end up leaving. not the same situation in the epl, many teams have top/expensive players from other leagues. and the top domestic players are not funneled to one or two specific teams. bit more variety.

as you guys are finding out, when the academy dries up you have to spend to maintain standards. now imagine making a 75 million pound less per season on just broadcasting payments alone, having competition with more spending power to pluck away targets that might have reinforced the squad but would be guaranteed starters elsewhere, and paying a premium getting players from other domestic teams to join you. no way you get suarez for 65-70 million. liverpool would take you to the cleaners like they did chelsea for torres, or like arsenal did to us for RvP, or liverpool did with sterling to city or everton did with stones to city. it's a vicious enviromnent here in england, that helps to create some of the inconsistency and competitiveness you see on the weekends.

and thats before considering the lifestyle and climate differences that also attract players to spain's top 2, maybe you find it just a bit harder to recruit the best just for those reasons in some cases too. just saying, lots of variables to consider. i think your team would look a lot different so it's impossible to say.
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Saying the PL is inconsistency takes credit away from the rest of the teams in the league. You realize, most of the PL teams the top 4-5 PL teams face, spend quite a lot of money in bringing in some quality talent. Money that mid table to relegation teams in la liga couldn't afford. Sure teams in the PL have unperformed in recent years but the rest of the Pl teams have been getting stronger and stronger season after season. That's why its not getting any easier.

Now you guys wanna throw Madrid&Barca into the PL. Well not s**t you guys would dominate. Its easy to talk when you have Neymar, Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Benzema and Bale. 6 players that could easily be placed in the top 10 players in the world. Although I expect the playing field will level out once Messi and Ronaldo are done.
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This is such an old subject. If u like EPL great. If u like La Liga great. If u like both even better.
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I was implying Real and Barca would most likely dominate the epl and quite frankly any other league in the world with their current players and resources. Any team with Messi and Ronaldo would have a shot at winning a title. Looking forward to the day they both retire as they are nothing but cheat codes.
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Wow @Moe66 i just wanna say i read your post only after i posted mine and had a good laugh as we must have been on the same wavelength.
Bayern would give both teams a run for their money ;)
@che,if barca plays in epl,then you would've stopped watching epl already because of domination,lol..
@4ever, really, whats barca's away record like in the CL vs english sides? i think madrid have a very good record, probably due to their counterattacking style. barca's a bit spotty. i dont think you'd walk over us as you'd expect. im quite sure both barca and madrid would drop points, especially with that congested fixture list in december/january when you lot are used to your siestas and vacations ;)
^ Having a 10-15 days winter break really congest Laliga fixture for Month of jan. Month of Jan also usually have CDR matches which makes it more difficult.

Basically we get less numbers of days to cover for same amount of fixture
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Tactically speaking, English teams are noobs except for the top ones. Barca, RM and Bayern would walk all over them. Im sure the mid table sides of la liga are tactically far superior to epl counterparts.
malik the epl fixtures are just as congested, over a longer period of time, with no winter break. you can easily play 7 games in january, thats when the fa cup matches start for premier league teams.

case in point, liverpool played 14 games between 12/6/2015 and 2/6/2016 last season. 10 league and 4 fa cup games. united played 13 between december 5th and february 7th.

i dont know how cold it gets in spain in the winter months but the ground freezes over in england it wears down your legs so you have to consider that as well. we had so many muscle injuries last december, our squad was decimated and we went on a horrific run of form right when the games were every 2-3 days..
SIF, I understand your point, but EPL team has more players on there squad than any other league, so there is possibility for more rotation. Here is a comparison.

FC Barcelona
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona#Current_squad

FC Bayern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Bayern_Munich#Current_squad

Liverpool FC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.#First-team_squad

Manchester United FC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.#First-team_squad
Halilovic came on as sub and scored this golazo for Hamburger. It's was the winning goal.

https://twitter.com/1887VDV23/status/767799961882861574?s=09
Messi-lovic he is...
also Bartra had another pretty good game for Dortmund.
Saw that goal earlier. Brilliant.
Messi is the Usain Bolt of football. I mean Usain Bolt is the Messi of track and field.
Messi is the Messi of football. And that's the best compliment a footballer can get.
Amen to that
best game so far in the la liga Manu Garcia for Alves equalize by a screamer after kevin Gemiero scored from a penalty in the 91st minute.
Atleti just got away with lucky penalty against Alaves. They defended for whole match and almost pulled an Atleti on Atleti.

We play Alaves on game day 3
They did it hot damn 1:1
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Wow , Alaves just scored with their first shoot on target. Atleti scored penalty with about 20 seconds renaming of extra time and Alaves scored. Fair result.

BTW this match and Sevilla V espanyol match - BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD - WANKFEST
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Simeone always has a slow start to the season. Once he picks up, it will be a series of 10 consecutive 1-0 wins. 😂
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Pep is turning City into penaltylona :D

4 penalties in 3 games
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True that :P
Raheem Sterling looks like a different player under Guardiola. I couldn't believe it was him in the last 2 games. And Aguero is on fire. I'd like to see this city team go against top sides. They're already looking like a different side from last year. United too is playing quite well. Manchester derby is going to become a classic fixture with these two managers at the helm.
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I find it pretty funny that many people still portray the EPL as the summit of football, arguing certain players or managers might've been wildly successful in continental European leagues, but probably won't be as great in England. Because, y'know, the weather and Stoke City and s**t.

Then 95% of those top players and coaches turn out to be even better in England. I can't wait for Pep to show them what he can do with players with potential and the willingness to work hard.
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^ FFS Jeroen , PL barely got quality managers and their fans are already gassing up the PL.

They have already started to ask questions like will suarez be able to score 17 goals in 6 PL matches. This question regardless of the fact that Suarez own the PL just two years back and that too without likes of Messi & Neymar feeding him.

god forbid if one of Eng team goes on to win the CL before this band of great managers starting to leave -_- PL fans will be unbearable.
It's about time pep would show them how we are getting5-1.or 6-1 against lower level teams when lower level teams play very well for 70 minutes or so,his team just showed a glimpse of it against stoke.
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Suarez scored 31 in 33 games in the epl with a rubbish manager and average team. The reason why he's scoring more with barca is because the goat plays around him. Pedro looked great with messi around. Can messi do well in the epl?silva who's half as good and has half messi's strength is a major success in the epl.

The question is can pep's style work in the epl? Wenger's Barça lite system does fine. Pep is much better than Wenger as a manager. Can he do better than 3rd or 4th place compared to Wenger? The answer is obvious.
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17 goals in 6 games, are you insane? virtually a hattick per game 6 games in a row? that will NEVER happen in the premier league.

suarez is a great player, but in 6 games you're going to run into some decent teams, and there isn't a big enough gap in quality for that to happen between most of the league. it's not just about the individual's quality, your teammates would have to be far superior as a whole to do that. as you say, there's no messi in the epl, so thats not going to happen.

suarez had that great month of the december with 12 goals and that set a record. you'd need to have a barcelona type team in the epl for him to play on to get near 17.
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^^ that's what we are saying. If Suarez was in EPL with this Barca team.
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still very unlikely. as i said, in 6 games you're going to run into a very good side. on top of that, when saurez scored 12 he was in a liverpool side not competing in europe and there are no cup games in december, and on top of that he was looking hella fresh after his long ban. a team ike barca plays 20 odd more games than liverpool given the cup games, and that takes its toll. i still dont think it would ever happen, but it's possible i suppose. they ran into a bunch of soft opponents though like norwhich so you also need a bit of luck which he has like 10 goals against in 3-4 games.
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Atleast wait till Pep wins the league...before crowing him successful in PL.
Jeroen please be patient until end of the season atleast...He is managing a top team like city with quality players and again invested 150m to improve the squad. So of course he will do well and challenge for title with United....why are you both already talking as if he won the league and did something out of the world....just have some patients and let the guy do talking with results. why jump in so early.
Dint we see how he failed to win CL with a team like Bayern? So its proven that he is not GOD who will turn everything into gold...He is a great manager, but lets not hype too much

I know you guys will comeup with excuses for him not winning CL with a team like Bayern...but excuses are for manager like wenger and not Pep

If it helps..my money is on City to win the league and i would be more than happy to see Jose lose. but dont talk as if its bread and butter job for Pep to win the league
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^ LMAO , you need to get to eyes checked mate , I didn't said a word about Pep. I just talked about Suarez.
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First the criteria was "can he make his passing game work against big bullies like stoke?". Then, it will be like "yeah, let him win the league first". If he wins, it will become "yeah, he won coz the others choked". And so on and so on, it goes.
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@ Malik - sorry..its Jeroen then :P
@Hari, correction " he won because he inheret great team and spend gazillions "
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^Malik correction - He FAILED to WIN CL with mighty Bayern inspite of gazillion spending and I'm 100% certain that he wont with City either. LOL!!!

He will win the league atleast once in next 2 years though.. Which even Pellegrini and Manchini did at city :P :P

Lets have some patients and wait until end of the season...one of us will be wrong for sure and i will gladly take it if im wrong

Hari - I will repeat again even Pellegrini and Manchini won league...if Pep is really GOD like you guys project. Let him win CL with a team after spending Gazillion.
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@Bazinga , Give me name of one manager that has won CL without spending. Simeone's atleti is closest Eg we have to a fairy tale and they also have spend fair amount of money to reach that level.

People like you aren't interested in logic so I won't go into why Pep couldn't win CL with Bayern.

But it's a proof in it self of pep being best that he is perhaps the only manager right now who is been solely judged on CL success & whatever else he achieves is discarded.

I see you're already laying the ground work for undermining City winning PL with Pep. It already ironic as you PL fans rate PL higher then everything else.
Pep didn't win UCL with Bayern so he failed. Because the existence of Messi, Cristiano, Suarez, Neymar, Bale doesn't affect the balance of power in Europe. I don't know how people have this misconception that Bayern would have kept winning the treble every year because they swept every team aside one year, if it wasn't for Pep ruining their perfect team. Pep had a better team during his 4 years at Barca and still they couldn't win it all every year. SAF had a perfect season in 1999 with his super talented United team and then couldn't win the UCL for another 8 years.

On the other hand you have Ancelotti who rarely wins the league but has better UCL record. Go figure!
Malik- LOL! again you fail to explain by telling people like me arent interested in logic

Yes said "Give me name of one manager that has won CL without spending" that means your telling he is not best...he is one of the top manager around. which even i'm not denying.

you can never explain the logic behind him failing at Bayern...because you dont have one LOL!! If you have you are not the type of guy who will keep quite and not explain...Dont try to dodge by talking recklessly saying nobody will accept your logic when you dont have any

I said let city win CL with Pep to prove and your trying ti avoid talks about that because you know he wont. And i repeat again that even Pellegrini won league at city and Pep wont become GOD like you project by winning it again.

HE WONT WIN CL WITH CITY...you wanna bet ? lets see if you will take it
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Bazinga, I'm not saying he is a god. Not even saying he is the best. But he is definitely up there in top 3 along with Jose and Simeone.

Also, it seems a bit unfair to judge a coach purely based on CL considering the nature of competition. Zidane won the CL in 6 months with RM, something Jose couldn't do in 3 years. Now, no sane person would say Zidane is a better manager than Jose. That's just an example. There are plenty of factors that decide the winner of CL.
If success were CL, Torres would be god. Roberto Di Matteo would be king.

There are many aspects to a successful coach. Consistency is one.

Winning a CL is definitely a huge achievement. Not winning it does not mean one has failed. It has a playoff format as well, which adds to some of the chance factor.
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I agree Tomi and Hari..infact i rate Pep to be top manager right now and on-par with Jose maybe, but some fans projected as if he can win anything and everything no matter where he goes is lame

At Bayern we saw how difficult it is to win CL in-spite of having such a good team....it shows that even Pep is not guaranteed success like some fans project.

Bayern dint hire him to win league...lets be honest and understand that most managers who go to Bayern will end-up winning league.

Pep is a great manager..but just dont make him look immortal because he won left and right at Barca once. It was because he has a great great team to support him here.

Now if he wins CL with city..I will happily accept that im wrong
@Bazinga: I didn't mean to say Pep is a managerial God. But I rate him as the best man-manager around by far and one of the people in football who truly changed the way football (the tactical aspect of it) is played forever.

You say "it was because he has a great great team to support him here" and that's absolutely true. However, he MADE them great. Neither Messi, Iniesta, Alves or even Puyol and Xavi were nearly as great as they became under Pep's tutelage. They ALL admit much of their success is thanks to Pep who changed them as players and saw how to use their potential to the absolute maximum. And yet so many football fans say the opposite: that it was those players who made it easy for Pep. Then he brought in a ton of youngsters he himself trained when they were kids as the Barça -19 coach.

No one thought Xavi was the best player Spain has ever seen when Pep started, no one thought Messi was the greatest of all time and very few predicted that would eventually become a reality. It's thanks to Pep's insight, extreme determination and belief in what would become the core players of Barça that we achieved what we achieved.

I'm convinced that he can do similar things at City, but obviously not on the scale he did at Barça. He's Blaurgrana through and through and was practically born & raised at the club. He'll never achieve the same successes elsewhere, no one will. But you can be sure he'll make plenty of players at City that might not even be there yet absolute world class. He did the same at Bayern with guys like Boateng, Alaba, Thiago, Costa and to a degree even with elder players like Lahm, who reached new heights under his leadership too, just like Xavi and Puyol did here.
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@Bazinga , What ? Do you have no understanding of a competition ? Its almost impossible for one team , group of players or individual to ALWAYS win throughout there career. The best doesn't always win the competition , instead there are number of factors which determine the winner, this is especially applicable towards team competitions.

You're saying Pep is one of the top manager , i think he is the best manager right now , what the big difference ? Other Top Manager (IMO) Mou , Simeone , Carlo all have their flaws just like Pep , but what so far have set Pep apart from others is that even during his supposed poor period he still keeps on winning the trophies and raise the level of his teams.

For Most part of my early football following i considered SAF the best manager of his time , even though i hate Manu , he was constantly winning constantly getting results out of his teams and he didnt win CL that often either.

As to why i don't wanna go in to Pep not winning CL with Bayern , well you're not worth arguing with over that , remember your replays to my attempt to logical argument over Barca losing a friendly couple of weeks back ? Moreover if your so desperate to read my opinion on Pep's Bayern , i have posted it multiple time on FT , search for it and you will find one.


Will pep win CL with Man City ? Considering his preference of staying for short period with clubs , I too don't think he will win CL with City if he stays for just 3-4 season. But what he will certainly do in this period is that he will raise their level and make is easier for them to win the CL in future with neither Pellegrini or Mancini managed to do effectively.

Lol taunting to bet with you . Are you 12 or something ? LMAO

Edit - I see you're one of them " Bayern hire pep to win CL " believers. Allow me to burst that myth for you.

When Bayern agreed to hire Pep (in jan of 2013) , Bayern had just won Super cup in last two season while losing League to BVB. Bayern went on to win treble after Pep had agreed to take them over following season.

So yeah , i doubt Bayern Board just wanted Pep to win CL and keep on losing to BVB in league.
Jerone - Fair point...Let wait till end of season to see what he can do at city to judge him. IMO at bayern he dint do anything out of the world. Yes they were good, but not a force in Europe like they were couple of year back

Malik - I repeat that you dont have any logic to tell and please dont try to dodge by making vague allegations. Dont be deluded that your opinion is the only correct opinion in this world. If you really have a point make it instead of telling you wont understand not point telling you blah blah.

I was laughing at Barcas defeat in friendly because i know i might not get to see such results again in near future....why are you so touchy touchy if someone laughs after a defeat? dude thats what rivals do and im sure even you do it when Real or Chelsea lose.

Yes it was just friendly and you have an excuse...but Barca being a top club wont lose again like that and we made use of our only chance.

Stop crying and have reasonable debate...Instead of talking as if everyone apart from you is illogically. If you have a point tell it in right way like Hari and Tomi made

Yeah everyone is 12 year old kid and your the only adult here congrats
^ lol , you want me present my argument ? Read my posts again , for most part it's on why I consider pep the best current manager , part of the argument we're having.

It's actually you trying to avoid not me. For most part of your two replays to me it's nothing more then a Bait or taunt to bet & you expect me argue with you over why Pep didn't win CL with Bayern ? You're a joke.

Oh and BTW stop acting like I am the odd one out here. I actually agree with most of the argument made in whole thread , even some part of your posts ( which I have mentioned in my last post ) but for some reason you have fixation with me that why you posted my name when I didn't even spoke about pep at all.
"People like you aren't interested in logic so I won't go into why Pep couldn't win CL with Bayern"

This was your first reply only after which i asked you to have bet.

Ok man im a joke and your are smarted...enjoy :D
Play nice guys :D
@bazinga Pep didn't win the CL at bayern after spending Gazzillions? Lol you do realize the highest we have paid for any one player is 40m; Javi Martinez. Not to say we didn't have a good team but to suggest he spent a lot of money at bayern makes me wonder where exactly you get you facts from.

He failed to win the CL for us but come on we have only won the treble just once in all our illustrious history so that was a big ask of anyone for a reputation. It might be surprising but we weren't the all and out conqueror of the Bundesliga until pep came on board but I guess you never bothered to know that or the fact that dortmund had our number and won a back to back title. But no one ever remembers that. Pep wasn't brought in to retain the CL because at the time bayern contacted him, no one knew we were gonna win the treble so enough with presenting your speculation as facts.
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Not a pep fan by any means and I have gotten flak from some barca fans on this forum for that. But at least let's be objective when we criticise the man and like you said only time will tell at the epl.
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Pep didn't fail at bayern because he didnt win champions league. I think its difficult and unfair expectation to win every year. But he failed because his teams got slammed 7-0 and 5-0, which is unacceptable for a team like bayern.

And yea he won the league and domestic cups, but any manager can do that in bundesliga, especially when you buy out your only competition in borussia dortmund, year in year out.
Oh please Bayern weren't the force they used to be in Europ....let me remind you the only team better than bayern on paper were the two Spanish giants, I mean that was it. No epl side came close to be considered competition for the CL when we had pep in charge. It was all about avoiding barca and madrid for as long as possible. So I will say we were a force and like I said 2013 was the best year in bayern's entire history it will be hard topping that.
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Zorsita - You forgot to mention Gotze ,Costa , Vidal , Benatia etc

I'm not saying he did anything wrong by spending because every top manager spends.

Like raj 5-0 thrashing is good example of his failure...because Bayern winning league was no magic and infact to win just the league he dint have to spend so much.

I was giving CL as example because winning league with that Bayern team was nothing special...only a CL win can be considered success for someone tagged a best manager in the world by few fans here
But I forget who beat us 7-0 and kindly refresh my memory on that. Now madrid demolished us 5-0 and barca 5-3 so who again beat us 7-0? That's beside the point anyway and as for the players you mention our net spend on those players is just below the $65m and I wouldn't go as far as gazillion. We also bought Xabi Alonso and bernat but again it wasn't a splurge. In fact city has spent more than bayern did in the three years we had pep in just this summer transfer window. We do bring in players but when have you heard crazy numbers involved in our dealings bar renato (potentiially).
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I don't hold him as the best manager in the world but he is up there in my books. I mean who is the best manager in the world right now?
Jose , Pep , Carlo top-3 but hard to tell who is above who...yeah it was 5-0, i just referred Raj's examples
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first of all, the league is just starting.. in numerous occassions we have seen managers and players start the season on fire and either gradually or quickly fade... so i will say, wait till the middle of season before any judgement on what quality this managers have brought to premiership..

..nonetheless, if i am to place my judgement so far,
- mourinho has done the best job out of the 3; i.e including conte and Pep.. reason is.. i clearly remember united's team from last season. it was embarrassing to watch after the first 5 matches of the league... i was expecting a complete exodus of players but he has only made 4 big signings and surprisingly, united seem to be looking alive and dorminant playing the English way.

- Pep on the other hand has been left with a very capable team nonetheless, though he has signed a few which can be argued are still not better than what the team already had or what those players will bring better than...
But the City players are really looking good on the pitch, haven't seen an exciting match from them yet (regardless of scoreline)

Chelsea on the other hand are looking spirited and more alive, i think if they keep going like this, it will be good for their squad and motivation... nothing special but conte seems to have brought the hunger of winning to them.. you can see how they battle till the end..

nonetheless, its only 2 league games, qualifiers and pre-seasons. anything can happen

Wenger is lost.. sorry for arsenal. Of all the big EPL teams, they are the ones who actually needed to change mananger the most; he should have pity on that club and just retired.
@cjazz - have to disagree with some of your thoughts

United - you say only 4 big signings. 4 is a lot considering what signings they have made. Shaw is back. They are not dominating yet but long way to go and you can see they will get there for sure

City - you say the new players are not better then the existing lot? I think Nolito and Stones have made a ton of difference. Gundogan will undoubtedly be the best of the lot when he plays although it remains to be seen

Chelsea - they have actually looked the slowest out of the blocks but showed fire in the end to deliver. Looks like they are solid but will take time to get creative

arsenal - I don't think they are lost they are playing without their CBs, giroud and ozil. They needed reinforcements. Wenger is lost. Arsenal is still a very good team remember they also faced Liverpool and Leicester
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Exactly my thoughts @bazinga it's hard to tell who is above the other and why.
Best manager in the world is simeone. He has done amazing things with atletico with tight budget. Easily the best manager of the past 4-5 yrs
We're signing Jasper Cillesen as bravo replacement. Good signing.
lol the man who has never saved a penalty :P i think he's a great keeper for your system. he is comfortable with the ball at his feet picking passes etc. he was vital to LvG's gameplan in brazil and is used to that sort of football at ajax. he's a good shot stopper as well, but he wont start imo. he's the new backup. the world cup was a while ago, im sure he's improved since, but i dont think he's ready to start for barca, not yet.
He's a back up. He'll play in the cdr. I think ter stegen will start in champs league too.
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Mats will start both CL and Laliga . I don't understand why not let Masip be No 2 he is decent enough for that role or is it compulsory to have 3 GK in first team squad ?

I was okay with Diego Alves signing because he always performances blinders against us and other big clubs plus he is a penalty specialist , something which can come in handy in both cup competitions.
Mats has to start both Liga and UCL. We will go back to the format that was used when Valdes and Pinto were around. We only used Mats and Bravo the way we did last 2 years because both were first team gks which is unheard of in current football.

I've seen some clips of Cillesen and he seems to be a good mobile keeper. He makes the odd mistake here and there and would be reliable if Mats gets injured.
Hotrible horrible decision by our management. To satisfy a kid, they let a great GK to leave our club. And Cillesen is no where near Bravo.

What a shame ...
+1
^who said anything about management? This is 100% Bravo's choice.
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8
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1
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1
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1
9
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1
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10
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1
1
0
1
0
1
11
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0
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1
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1
0
1
12
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14
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16
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1
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0
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0
0
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0
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11
0
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0
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0
0
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0
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0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
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