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Are we really so spoiled in Spanish football or is our arrogance just too much?. by Spanish football I mean Barca and Madrid fans. the reason I say is because of what recently happened to Gareth bale.

for those who don't know "fans" of Madrid are mad at their start of the season (even though they just came from a big victory in the CL). It was nothing in some people's eyes but it represents what is wrong with "fans" of football these days and specially with Spanish football "fans".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2757147/Gareth-Bale-targeted-angry-Real-Madrid-fans-heat-cranks-Bernabeu.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIllI2THMZU

Barca fans are not innocent in this as you can recall last season messi getting s**t yelled at by angry "fans" things such as "enano corre mas" which means "you little midget run more" or "hijos de puta da la cara" whi is "son of a bitch show your faces".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtXhCtUwWdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya7wEsR-z1U

This really pissed me off..what is wrong with our "fans" thats just because they bought tickets and sure spent thousands of dollars it gives them the right to call on some players who have given everything for the club we love and who have won countless titles for OUR enjoyment for us to be happy. its only natural to be frustrated that your team is not doing well but that gives you NO RIGHT at all to criticize then directly in anyway. I mean directly because as a fan you can criticize your team and the great/poor performances but to go as far as to call club legends son of a bitch or with Gareth bale who helped you get la decima which is what madrid wanted to badly. now just because they lost two games they have the right to yell at them and insult them? the very same players who gave you what you wanted last season not 5 months ago? or messi who is easily a legend in barca has given ans sacrificed everything for the club? are we really so spoiled that we cant accept the fact that sometimes even the greatest teams have downs?? are we so arrogant that we think we know more than the coaching staff and should yell at players to run more? or do this and that in the pitch?? are we better than the people who have made it their life to know everything there is to know about the sport and how to be the best at it? its one thing when we do it in forums such as this because this is harmless we might have different opinions from the coach and maybe we are right sometimes but it makes no difference. at the end of the day it is lucho and ancelloti and their coaching staff who make all the decisions. we just have to sit back and hope the tactics and players are good enough to win titles and continue with our ENJOYMENT of our sports.

Look at Newcastle right now its been 2 season already since the fans wanted to get rid of the manager and no matter how much they yell or how much they want it Pardew stayed and is looking to stay for a bit longer... and look at Manchester united? the biggest club in england a bad season and a regular start. what if that was barca? or madrid? I know this also happens in every league but since I'm an avid follower of la liga this is why I wrote this rant. Just because you pay whatever you pay to watch the games and follow your beloved team DOES NOT give the right to yell and call them out when the have bad days. YOUR job as fans is to sit there and support your team whether they lose or the win its emotional either way when we lose I am sad and when we win I'm ecstatic. That is my job and that is what I do. I live for barca and even though i criticize decisions made sometimes I still love the club i have been following for the majority of my life and no amount of bad results is ever gonna change that.
My best friend's girlfriend is Catalan, and recently they visited my place here. She also talked about the Catalan fans and how they are spoilt. You're not mistaken. They only ever support the team when they're winning or when playing Real and are easily angered, even if we win a game but the scoreline doesn't please them.

So yes, the loudest of them are a bunch of arrogant c***s who display behaviour befitting of an evil Roman emperor (or Joffrey in GoT) who is never really pleased. But most of the fans in Camp Nou are just quiet fans who aren't as much into football as we are; they just don't have that football fire to support their team through thick and thin. Barça may have a hundred million fans worldwide, the one million Dortmund fans (as a counterexample) are MUCH more useful for the team since they actually support the team passionately while remaining calm in defeat.
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Gerard Deulofeu with 2 assists so far in Sevilla's game
He is on fire now.central of every seville move.
http://tinyurl.com/kuukg33
Lucho: "I don’t believe in the cliché of a first choice keeper. I want them all to be ready. I didn’t tell them who would play, that’s my idea. I expect us to get results, and I have total faith that we will. I’m not associating any one keeper with any one competition. I want them all to be prepared and I’ll deal with them my way"

Evidently, we no longer will have our first choice keeper play CL and Liga, the second choice keeper play CDR, etc. Thoughts? Will this destabilize our defense or force our keepers to take every match very seriously and improve our defense?

In a similar vein, as I'm sure you all noticed, Lucho made NINE changes to the lineup. It was a pretty rusty performance and he said this: “perhaps our play was less fluid because of all the rotations, but I’m sticking to my guns. I need my whole team, although I’m sure I’ll get it wrong sometimes. We can’t always win 3-0 or 4-0, but I have total faith in my players.”

Personally, I love that he has the balls to make so many changes and put faith in the youngsters. I cringed when I saw Tata using our starting 11 for so many matches in a row for two reasons: Fatigue issues and the complacency that can arise when a player does not feel he has to compete for his spot in the lineup. Can this strategy backfire? Of course. But I think as long as Lucho takes risks in the matches we can afford to (like APOEL in the group stages), it will be worth it.
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Yup
I was very happy with the rotation too. This should help deal with issues we always have when the knockout stages of the CL start.

Ter Stegen / Bravo -- eventually I'd like to see them settle down like Valdes and Pinto, but right now we don't know who should be first choice, so it's good to let them compete.
To prevail our club legacy,it's very important to give la masia grads enough chances. Am very happy with that and I wanted to see more of masip,bartra and Montoya in our eleven.

But it's yet to see how long he will continue.at the beginning of last season,it was all same as well,but later Tata sticked with same eleven which eventually leave us out of all competition.
We needed a manager who showed the team who's boss and who doesn't let anyone become saturated/fatigued by playing him all the time regardless of performances. I also am very happy Luis isn't a meek sheep, but the strong leader he always has been.

Pep was the same; he took the rudder over and steered the team in the course HE wanted, a course he was adamant about. That's what great managers do. If Luis can rally the players behind his ideas and win the first few games with good football, I can see him becoming wildly successful indeed.
Samper: "I know I still have to improve a lot in defense. I watch all my games, sometimes three times, I focus on every detail."

Dedicated lad. Future coach in the making it seems.

His stats for the game:

118 touches, 102 passes, 93% pass acc., 7/8 long balls completed, 4 interceptions, 3/3 effective clearances, 5 tackles.
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Nice, I'm very happy with him so far. Munir on the other hand was poor yesterday. You can see he's still a more raw talent, typically with a great day and a bad day the next one.
Munir doesn't seem to be there yet to force himself to get momentum in games where things don't go his way. He falters. It'll hopefully come with experience.
I was watching the game online off really low resolution broadcast and I didn't realize munir was playing until about 10 mins into the game. He definitely needs more time to figure out how to make an impact. He shows brilliant moves every now and then but at times he seems to be nervous.

I thought samper was a total stud last night. He is really calm on the ball and it's quite funny how much he resembles busquets. He even threaded a couple of attacking balls through traffic. All in all, it's great to know we have a chain of succession at the club for the future.

About our sloppy performance: it didn't look like they were willing to take risks even after they went one goal down. It's tough to breakdown sides with your reserve team when they're willing to stand around all game.
LOOOOOOOOL

Ajax fans with some cheeky banners

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxwmxuTIAAAO5S6.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxwjUAFCQAA5aqy.png
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The Paris one is great.
So all in all today, we shouldve done better than 1-0 on the day, but the birght side is another clean sheet. Also from the weekend fixture against Bilbao, we replaced 9 players to play today so it shows we do have plenty of depth. Definitely not our best XI, but we'll take those 3 points. Hopefully we're better in the next group match against PSG in Paris
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https://t.co/qgKeiIYeWp

Meanwhile Draxler 'playing' with Chelsea.
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lol
Speaking of Chelsea, Cesc scored their only goal, but it was also his turnover that led to the goal they conceded. Sound familiar?
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@alf , not only that , he missed a very good chance too :p

January's fast approaching !!!!

I like him but cant see him performing amazingly for Chelsea :/
@alf - Good ol' Cesc, A phenomenal + WC machine with the ball but his general play when he's off the ball, leaves something to be desired, to say the least..
Lump,

Cesc is very much a creative force going forward. He's not one to orchestrate the midfield or link up with the defense. Maybe a 4-2-3-1 with Cesc in the hole would fit him better. Having him part of a 3 man midfield in a 4-3-3 exposes him quite a bit.
It took 4 full games for Barca goalkeeper to make a proper save this season. 4 games, 4 clean sheets!
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Not really , bravo pulled a decent save during early stages of our last match vs Bilbao
And of course I had to remove Alba from my DF team right before the window closes... sigh
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well there's always a silver lining, i dont think alba played today so no points anyways! ashley cole and that sequiria kid at atletico didn't play for me either, quite a bummer.
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@Badge , you think that's bad ? I have subo in my team but just before the game i deiced to bench him in favor of sequiria & cole , guess what neither of them played a single min and BVB kept a clean sheet ( not that i'm sad because because of the Clean sheet )
Poor city
https://vine.co/v/OWedhPt255x
Wow, 90th minute winning goal scored by a former player of yours. Painful.
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It seems they are on the way to Europa.not seeing Roma let slip from here on.
4ever, you serious? This was the first game of the CL campaign. Roma still has to play City away and at home and Bayern away and at home. It's impossible to predict what's going to happen.
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Well,that's my prediction.nothing against city,but as I said,I don't see Roma let it slip from this position.I had watched this game instead our game due to our provider's English love,bayern outclassed them in every department.
It will all boil down to that Roma vs city tie's , but ATM if i was to place a bet , it has to Roma , they started season strongly while city is yet to find the rhythm .

I didn't saw the match but most of the pundits doing the post match analysis were off the idea that city played for a draw , well this should happen to all teams playing for draw :p
I don't think they just went for a draw.it was all dominance from German champions' from very first moment.for some reason,Hart played one of those games,if it's not city could been murdered by German champions.ATM city isn't posing any threat at all to get a chance against Roma.anyway will see.

Gotta say,bayern looks extremely scary. Imo finall. They have adapted with pep philosophy n all.his new set up capable to prevent counters and his attacking looks so much fluid than last year.it could be bayern year.
http://www.footytube.com/video/footballing-greats-have-their-say-on-yaya-sanogo-297754?ref=tchan_ov_vidgrid

Yall need to see this ;)
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Primera División Table

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9
6
0
6
0
0
3
3
1
7
5
2
7
0
1
2
3
2
7
3
2
5
0
1
2
3
3
7
2
2
4
0
1
2
3
4
5
2
4
6
0
2
1
3
5
5
1
2
3
0
2
1
3
6
4
1
5
6
1
1
1
3
7
4
1
1
2
1
1
1
3
8
4
0
4
4
1
1
1
3
9
4
-2
6
4
1
1
1
3
10
4
-2
3
1
1
1
1
3
11
3
0
3
3
2
0
1
3
12
3
-1
6
5
2
0
1
3
13
3
-1
3
2
2
0
1
3
14
3
-3
5
2
2
0
1
3
15
2
-1
5
4
1
2
0
3
16
2
-1
3
2
1
2
0
3
17
2
-2
4
2
1
2
0
3
18
1
-3
6
3
2
1
0
3
19
1
-5
5
0
2
1
0
3
20
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UEFA Champions League Table

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0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
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UEFA Champions League Table

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GA
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D
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3
1
0
1
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
1
1
0
1
0
1
2
1
0
1
1
0
1
0
1
3
0
-1
1
0
1
0
0
1
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