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Damn Barca and Real fans argue about some of the stupidest things it's pretty pathetic.
Cats and dogs, man. Add to that the pent up frustration of the summer break and that's what you get. We're all jonesing for some sweet sweet league football. Soon we'll get our fix and it'll tone down. Until the first Clasico that is. Or the first contested penalty. Or perceived dive. Or missed slap...Or if it's tuesday. Sometimes sunday as well. You know, the usual?
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Official: Neymar sprained his ankle in training today, it's not clear when he'll be able to train again #fcblive

“The Brazilian striker ended the Thursday training session in some discomfort, and tests
have confirmed a grade 1 sprain in his left ankle.”

So that means we might start with Pedro & rafinha vs elche or maybe munir
Pedro is in the hospital with a stomach bug, so we'll see B-team players. Munir most likely, with Adama as a sub would be my guess. Selling people always seem to lead to the players in the same position getting injured like some kind of curse. Barca could really do with Alexis right about now.
Oh completely forgot about Pedro , so munir is likely to start , iniesta can also start on left side with Xavi & ivan in mid .
Malik,

Yeah, I'd expected either Iniesta or Rafi to start up front. Not both though, because then there wouldn't be a motor up front.
Barcelona U10 7-0 Real Madrid U10

just a preparation for the future

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVZ9OcsCEAAxOBw.jpg
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Real Madrid U10 will probably blame the referee
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UEFALONA U10
They tried to field Ronaldo and Pepe, but they threw tantrums so often they were considered too childish.
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Easy guys. Those dark siders can't take a joke.
Yeah Jeroen, they'll flag the s ht out of your post and Tanmay will delete it.
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I loled at jereon's post.

Besides EVERYONE knows we are only supposed to flag Franky's posts.
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It's all good. I have the privilege of being around for a long time and most Madridistas who aren't new will understand it's just one of my jokes.

edit: Danny proves the point :)
The Senior team should watch clips of that match and use the strategies for the Clasico next month.
It's priceless when you see cules celebrating winning a trophy in front of a huge madrid flag and a bunch of sulking madrid fans.
Right? Or when someone has to go so far as look through his favourite club's subsidiary to find a flattering score over his rivals so that he can brag about it.
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Bragging? I was just talking about enjoying madrid tears. If I wanted to brag you know we won 16 trophies in the last 6 years right in spite of a crap last season. Dream team? Best team in history? Yada yada... Something nobody has ever said about madrid. Forgot that already? That wasn't so far or long ago. Didn't wanna go there but oh well! ;)
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And now the Cules are left with picking up crumbs. How the mighty have fallen...
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You know jokes are required to make sense. Just saying...
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No. I did. I also know most people struggle with logic. So its okay. I get that part.
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Maybe you didn't get it.
Wow 7-0! Those kids must be verry talented, no doubt. It's a shame Barca doesn't use academy player for the first team anymore :)
Okay, so I'm getting the impression you want to argue for the sake of arguing...

I'll leave it at that for now.
Wow,the quality of the humour is high.you guys don't need to pick up on dark side,their sense of humour is little to none.
I'm just responding to your attempts at humor. Or whatever it is.

LOL @ Pejvi

See Asasiyun? Like I said jokes are supposed to make sense. Apparently, some of ya'll didn't get the memo.
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A joke's intention is amuse its targeted audience. That's what humour is. A joke doesn't have to make sense in order to be funny.

Here's an example:

Barcelona is the best club in the world.
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"A joke doesn't have to make sense in order to be funny."

Saying Barcelona is the best club in the world doesn't make sense because it isn't true, so much so that it becomes humour.
Im glad you admit the truth Asasiyun :D
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A joke generally needs to scratch the surface of reality which makes the audience see the irony, sarcasm or exaggeration within the joke. The comedian is basically telling the audience, "I know the truth but I'm making stuff up around a fact."

Of course its subjective so you can have an audience which appreciates mom jokes or slapstick (for example Madrid forum) which is generally considered the lowest form of humor. There's Louis CK/George Carlin and then there's Dane Cook/Carlos Mencia.

Since we have already established that you struggle with humor (since you believe jokes aren't required to make sense aka slapstick), you made another statement which is more realistic than a joke. Thank you for your kind admission. That is the first accurate football analysis I've seen from you.
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Nowadays some Madrid fans feel oblieged to bring their toxic mentality and stupid reasoning to our forum
"Barcelona is the best club in the world." - Asasiyun, 2014
The fact that there is a rumor swirling around about Barca potentially getting Marco Reus honestly seems to good to be true. I know it was told we would sign him, then loan him back for a year back to Dortmund. Still would be nice to hear "Marco Reus has officially signed deal as FCBarcelona player"
That'd b e my dream come true!
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Whoa. Reus, Iniesta, Messi, Suarez, Neymar....
I want one more solid defender pleaaaaasee...
I'm not sure we need anymore defenders or players for that matter. We have alba, Adriano, Mathieu, vermaelen, pique, bartra, alves, Montoya. We have bought douglas to loan back to sao paolo which might be in jeopardy at the moment.

In midfield we have busquets, mascherano and song (should be gone soon) xavi, rakitic, sergi Roberto, iniesta, rafinha, Pedro, neymar, suarez and Messi. Plus, we have La masia attacking options.

Overall, these are the most options any barca coach has had for several years now. Last year we traveled with 17 players including oier at times. The depth in this team makes me wonder if this is a madrid team because we have never had so many options as far as my memory goes.
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Dear god I hope Douglas is not the RB we have on our mind. He's awful
Not sure what the idea is behind that move. I know we need to prepare for Alves' departure next year but it seems like Zubi just went for whoever was willing.
Montoya is far better than DOuglas, I'd rather we dont sign a new RB and just stick with him than instead of Douglas
Tello is on for a few seconds and creates the 0-1 for Porto! :D
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Barcelona putting a sensational bid for reuz from borussia.it is believed we are rushing him on him due to transfer ban,and if we get him this season,we will loan him to bvb straight away for season long loan.

Don't know what to say,he is fantastic and am a huge admirer,cuadrado move dropped out by our club already.but what will happened to our young breed of wingers then??

I need your thoughts about this as well.
I think it's just a stupid rumor. But if we really signed Reus he would probably be our new right back lol
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I think if we sign Reus we are actually gonna play him as more of an AM, or a player similar to Iniesta, capable of playing in the midfield or the wing
This is so ridiculous, I can't believe the ban upheld and that we have to buy for 2 seasons right now.

I have my fingers crossed that we found a winning formula and that our predictions for next season are on point.
One more defender!
"Reus and Cuadrado are, besides Koke, other players Barcelona could try to sign now and loan back to current clubs for one season. [md sport]"

Buy ALL the players! Reus, good lad.
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You beat me to it:)
We missed out on Bendtner. I hate zubi so much for that!
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lmao F4F, it almost brings tears to all of our eyes :D
damn, is this even barca?

I'm feeling like I'm dreaming.
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we need some funding for cuadrado and hummels paid back in two seasons time, you can collect dani alves as interest
LOL sell some loan to Glazers they need more loan
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Official: FIFA reject appeal of Barcelona against transfer ban, Barcelona won't be able to sign players in the next two transfer windows

note: barcelona's transfer ban will start after the ongoing window, can't sign in January and summer 2015, can sign again in January 2016

Zubi got 10 more days to plan for a year

Edit

Official: Barcelona announce they will appeal against FIFA's transfer ban at the Court of Arbitration for Sports #fcblive #CASLONA
They were always going to CAS with their appeal. Why would FIFA reject their own decision? They might have a hearing in 2-3 months but this matter will be resolved before the next transfer window.
So the ban is now for a year and a half? January 2015 & Summer and January of 2016 as well as forcing us to let go of the players we supposedly signed wrongly?!

Talk about Draconic measures. This looks like a witch hunt more than a suitable punishment (which should be given to every one of the thousands of clubs who violated the same rules).
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No. Its going to be winter and summer transfer windows. Since nobody really makes big transfers in winter, we will end up buying new players only after 1.5 years. Good time to get our youngsters playing.
it MAY happen at other clubs but i highly doubt it happens anywhere near the extent at barca, i mean common there there kids flying in from korea, cameroon brazil etc who are not even teenagers yet. i dont think any club is doing such activity besides barca. wasn't there a big fuss because one of those kids wasn't allowed to play at all for some reason? i think the korean kid.
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I realize it's against the rules, but these families and kids who move to Barcelona are as good as always MUCH better off then they were before. Ask Messi.

And we're far from the only club doing this.
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I said it when Barca got the ban in the first place, it's stupid. Do you really think Asian/Middle eastern academies are good enough to produce the top footballing stars? They have a much better shot of making it big in Europe, especially if they train from a young age. Same goes for the American kids (North and South), it'd probably be better for them to get the European exposure early, since the best will inevitably head here anyway.
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SIF: actually a lot of clubs do this. It is estimated that there are around 25-30000 kids in Spain alone from other countries. Plus they are investigating madrid and Valencia for the same thing. What barca did wrong was when they received a warning from FIFA they took the whole thing lightly. They didn't play the kids anymore but thought the altruism in giving kids a better future would be a good argument against FIFA red tape. Messi is the prime example of the system. He was brought in at she 11. As per current FIFA rules he should have stayed in Rosario and led the rest of his life without medication for his growth hormone issue. I reckon, barca is going to put him up as the prime example as to why no harm was done to any of the kids. I don't think they will be able to reduce the punishment but the portrayal of Barcelona as some child trafficking club is astonishing.
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Lgw: absolutely. If barca, arsenal, chelsea or any of these clubs came to my door telling me they think my kid has potential to be a professional football player, I will be more than willing to let him have a shot at it. Why not? If he fails, he can always play for madrid.
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@Jeroen & F4F,
I don't think anyone will argue that signing Messi was bad for him or his family. The rules are in place, however, so that parents are not tempted to sign their children's lives away to complete strangers in the hopes of making a fortune. Sadly, there are parents out there who are willing to do such things.

Our club may have the most noble of intentions when signing youngsters but the risk of exploitation and child abuse/neglect is extremely high in these types of situations. Our club should have been more respectful of the rules and played by them, simple as that. We took a huge risk and now we get to pay the price. I'm truly disappointed that we received a clear warning and continued to blatantly violate the rules believing that we were somehow above them.
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^Again, exploitation? I've heard of regular companies exploiting children, but what sort of exploitation could arise from playing football? It simply makes no sense. Besides, if the rule is stupid, clubs have the option of simply ignoring it, which is what Barca did. It just so happens that Barca is the club they chose go make an example of, and other clubs for whatever reason chose not to back Barca.
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^You think kids at youth academies only play football? Many of the youth leave their families behind to live 24/7 at the academy. Presumably, the children will go to school a certain amount of time each day and then train afterwards. But if parents are not around to monitor, who protects the kids from being bullied, abused, or forced into child labor when they are supposed to be in school?
Alfrodo,

Who protect them? The same laws that protect anyone else. Parents have never been the sole protection of children in western countries, and often enough, the state has to protect children from their parents. If the fear is exploitation, then legislate against that, don't ban the possible future of children just on the off-chance that they're being exploited. Monitoring the wellbeing of children by a state organ that has nothing to do with the parents or the club isn't magic, it's something that is done already. This is like banning cars because of drunk driving.
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Alfrodo: I understand the concern around child trafficking and abusing kids for their football potential. The regulations that FIFA currently has are generic to make any valuable change. When you suggest that a child cannot move to Europe from outside Europe unless the parents move to the city for non footballing reasons, you pretty much stop every kid from outside Europe from having a footballing career in a big club in Europe. So unless your family is rich and can afford to just make a new residence in Barcelona, a kid cannot come to play for barca. Even within Europe the child's home is required to be within 100 mi of the club which pretty much restricts clubs from the big leagues to recruit only from within their country. Clubs can also not provide sustenance to the child's family in lieu of the kids footballing talent. So basically what FIFA is telling everybody is they know what is better for the future of their child than the parents of the child. Whenever you make regulations which are all encompassing like FIFA's regulation on recruiting kids, it is bound to fail.
JRaty,
You speak like someone who has never had children or seen children at the mercy of the state. You assume that children (or even teenagers) know who to call for help if they are being abused or exploited. Think about the fact that many of these kids are in a foreign country speaking a foreign language. You think the state will just magically know when kids at academies are being abused? Even if the kids do know who to call for help, they run the risk of losing a spot at the academy! Quite the recipe for exploitation right there, regardless of whether it has happened or not.

All of those scenarios are assuming the child even makes it to an academy to begin with! FC Barcelona may adequately care for the kids, but there are countless others who don't give a damn about the children:
http://www.thesefootballtimes.net/#!prisoners-of-their-own-dreams/ctif

F4F,
I never said I agree with every detail of FIFA's regulations pertaining to this subject. In fact, I think the rule about the child only being able to join if parents are moving to the area for non-footballing reasons is excessive. My point was that the general regulation is to protect the children from shady academies and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Children's safety and well being should always come before football. I would rather have the rules be too strict than too lenient. Our club has every right to disagree with the rules and appropriately get them changed. But just because we disagree with the rules, doesn't mean we can break them and expect to not be punished.
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Alfrodo,

And you assume that there's no way to protect abuse other than having the parents there, you assume that having the parents there would in any way affect the ruling, and you assume that having the parents there would stop abuse. Abuse is like any other law, and has to be stopped by society, and not by a individual.

Barcelona doesn't just adequately care for kids, they provide exemplary care. If the problem is that some don't, then that's where the legislation should be targeted. You're argument that all good academies should be banned because there are bad ones is completely asinine.
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I never said there is absolutely no way to protect children except having their parents there. What I am saying, and surely you can't disagree, is that having their parents there to monitor and supervise greatly reduces the chances of exploitation. Contrast that with parents who are in Africa or Korea and have literally no way of knowing what is going on in Europe other than what their kid tells them.

"You're argument that all good academies should be banned because there are bad ones is completely asinine."

I never said anything even remotely close to that; you are reaching desperately and provided the asininity yourself. I never said good academies should be punished because bad ones exist, I am simply in agreement that academies should be held to certain standards to protect the kids. I think it's more than fair to say that not all institutions operate at the same ethical standard. Without regulations, institutions have the leeway to take advantage of kids who are oftentimes completely at the mercy of the academy without the knowledge or resources to defend or protect themselves.

By your logic, because Barcelona provides exemplary care for the kids, no other academy in the world should have to obey the FIFA laws. That is like saying just because my grandma drives the speed limit and is exemplary, we can get rid of speed limits worldwide. That is classic asininity right there.

"If the problem is that some don't, then that's where the legislation should be targeted."

Exactly! So instead of breaking the rules, we should have legislated a change. We chose to disregard them, and now we pay the price. If we can somehow prove that there were no instances of neglect or abuse, wonderful. That doesn't change the fact we blatantly violated FIFA's regulations.
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Alfrodo,

Then you're ignorant. The case isn't because Barcelona is being held to some standard, it's because Barcelona isn't allowed to train kids that aren't spanish under any circumstances. Maybe you should actually know what the FIFA laws are that Barcelona are being punished for breaking before going off on rants. So the proper use of your analogy is that your grandma is banned from driving a car because there's a possibility that someone somewhere is driving too fast. Or to put it in another way, no-one is allowed to drive, because someone might drive too fast if driving was allowed.
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JRaty,

I'm ignorant? You are the one claiming Barcelona can't train any non-Spanish kids under ANY circumstances. Let me inform you that is simply not true: They can train any kid who lives in the European Union between 16 and 18 or any kid of any age who moves to Barcelona with his parents for non-footballing reasons. That is strictly at la masia. Now if you broaden your horizons for a moment... Barcelona can train ANY aged kid of ANY nation if they have an academy in that country and the kid lives within 100km.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/95/83/85/regulationsstatusandtransfer_e.pdf

And why are you acting all butthurt about the regulations as if FIFA is at fault for wanting to protect kids? The rules are not new, in fact they are over a decade old now. Barca, and many other academies, have had plenty of time to adapt or legislate and we willfully violated the regulations instead. Are FIFA making an example out of Barca? Probably. We tout our academy as if it is heaven on earth while blatantly violating the regulations. Not surprising we were targeted.

And if you don't think what I posted earlier was relevant, read this statement by FIFA explaining the ban:

"The Disciplinary Committee underlined that FIFA takes the protection of minors in football very seriously. The protection of minors is one of the key principles included in the agreement concluded between FIFA, UEFA and the European Commission in 2001. The Disciplinary Committee acknowledged that young football players are vulnerable to exploitation and abuse in a foreign country without the proper controls. This particular fact makes the protection of minors in football by the sport’s governing bodies, especially by FIFA, even more important."
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/news/newsid=2313003/

Protection from exploitation, like I was saying...
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And you support this legislature and think it's beneficial to kids? You think that FIFA did well with this legislature that means that no kid in countries without word class footballing infrastructure has a bats chance in hell of ever getting world class footballing education? Then you're delusional. It's a universal ban on all international youth development, and you'd have to be a complete imbecile to think that the provisions that a kid is allowed to train at La Masia if his parents miraculously happen to move to Spain for *non* footballing reasons would change that. And you'd have to be a even bigger imbecile to think that it's even remotely feasible or possible for a club to open world class academies the like of La Masia around the globe so that less fortunate kids get a chance to actually pursue their talents.

That statement you posted is saying absolutely nothing specific. It's pure buzzword spin without offering a single shred of proof that what Barcelona is doing isn't in the best interest of the minors. FIFAs words mean nothing if their legislature doesn't match it, and they don't. Their blanket ban is in no way beneficial to anyone, it's robbing all talents in non footballing nations of the possibility to grow because FIFA is too lazy or stupid to actually legislate for the problem.

Yes, Barcelona broke the rules, because the rules are ridiculous. That's what many do when they feel that the rules are wrong. Rosa Parks didn't move to the back of the bus even though the rules said they had to. Barcelona didn't stop offering a chance to a better life just because FIFA made a blanket ban.

But I'm sure that if FIFA says that it's the best for the children, then it must be true!
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I never said I support every aspect of the regulations, I said I understand the spirit of why they were created. I also said that we should have operated as a club according to the regulations and changed them properly instead of blatantly disregarding them. And the notion that it is not possible to create academies in other countries in plainly false. Here's some proof of your ignorance:
http://fcbescola.fcbarcelona.com/florida/

You are more concerned with putting words in my mouth, getting defensive, and calling names. I don't know why I even bother trying with you when you act like a child and make dramatically false statements: "it's robbing all talents of the possibility to grow"

Because nobody can grow outside la masia or Europe! All football will surely die! Get a grip and go ask Neymar, Suarez, or Sanchez whether they required international training before the age of 18 to become world class footballers.
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There aren't any aspects. The whole regulation is point 19. That's the one rule that Barcelona broke. You either agree with it, or you don't. There's no other aspects to it, no matter how much of the FIFA Cool-Aid you drink. Barcelona isn't FIFA, Barcelona doesn't make FIFA legislature. Just like Rosa Parks couldn't change the legislature either. But she could protest against it by not complying.

What you're proving is your lack of basic reading comprehension.

I said that clubs can't open world class facilities like La Masia around the globe, and you use the Florida academy as an example? I hope your kidding me, trying to compare that with La Masia.

I said robbing all talents in non footballing nations. Last I checked, Brazil qualifies as a footballing nation. Uruguay and Chile as well.

You're not even bothering to read now, so what would not trying entail?
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There are several aspects to the regulations, if you actually read them... instead you defend Barca as some hero for blatantly breaking the rules rather than going about it the correct way.

So in your twisted mind it is impossible to create a world class academy outside of the original one? Noted. Way to count your chickens before they hatch. Sure, it's not feasible to build dozens academies across the globe, but since when did our fountain of promising youth run dry? There is no reason for us to be scouting across the globe with the plethora of talent in our backyard, especially if it means violating the regulations. It's nothing more than unjustifiable greed.

What is with your obsession with Rosa Parks and failed analogies? You are acting like somehow kids are oppressed because 'big bad FIFA' won't let them leave their family to travel across the world and live with a bunch of strangers where the chance of them being exploited increases 100 fold and their chances of failure far exceed their chances of success. There are many things more important in life than kids learning football to entertain you. You have pretty low morals if even FIFA is above your standards. You fail to have empathy for children because you can't think past gratifying your own pleasures. The regulations are in place to protect kids from people specifically like you. Thanks for making yourself an example and proving my point.
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Alfrodo,

Keep drinking that FIFA Cool-Aid man, it seems to do wonders for you. For the children!
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@Alfrodo
I see your point, but isn't it a little arbitrary? I mean, for a kid to make the trip all the way to Barcelona (I'll use Barca as an example), he must at least be a little interested in the sport. And for the majority, they want nothing more than to play football. In some countries, due to the coaching techniques, the lack of facilities, the lesser obsession with football kills a considerable amount of talents. Kids who could have been great footballers have killed their passion to pursue other careers. These kids loved football, but the lack of opportunities killed that passion.

Now on to exploitation, it's a little different but think about it this way. Regulate the football academies, meaning, they have to provide a high standard of care like boarding schools do. It's probably already there for the big clubs. I mean, some people have no issue sending their kids to boarding schools, so I see no difference in football academies.

Of course I take your point that not every kid succeeds in the system, but what's worse, trying and failing, or not having the opportunity at all? As someone who failed to even make the cut at the Arsenal academy (I was lucky to have been born in London), I can safely say I don't regret trying. But what about those born in places where they have absolutely no opportunity? And by that I mean places where there isn't a good football club within the permissible radius.

All in all, whether a kid decides to join the academy of any club should be a decision taken by the parents of the child, the club and most importantly, the child himself. If all parties are agreeable, then there is no reason why FIFA should step in imo.
Basically, FIFA doesn't want to do the paperwork related to protection of children so they place an outright ban.
@Jraty,
Keep resorting to personal insults when you have nothing better to say. Stay classy!

@LastGraspWinner,
I like where you are going with the idea of regulating academies so that they are held to the same standard as boarding schools, but don't you think those regulations should be in place BEFORE the academy recruits foreigners, not after the fact?

Even still, going to a boarding school within your own country where you are already accustomed to culture, language, etc. is completely different than moving from Africa or Asia to Spain. Have you ever moved from your native country to a completely foreign country with no family support for an extended period of time? I did when I was 19; it was extremely difficult and took months to adjust (and I even knew the basics of the new language)

I appreciate you sharing your personal experience with the Arsenal academy. But like you said, failure wasn't a big deal because you lived nearby. It probably did not cost your entire family's fortune to fly you out and you probably had family with you or near you the whole time.

Contrast that with an 8 year old Asian kid with a dream, leaving to France only to find that he sorely misses his family, has nobody to communicate with, and hates the food. Then subject him to the possibility of neglect, abuse, or exploitation. Did you consider the enormous power differential between a 6-17 year old kid and an academy full of adults or other kids who could abuse him? You think a kid is going to tattle on abuse if the academy tells him they won't release his visa/passport if he snitches or they threaten to cut him from the academy? Couple that with the fact that academies must do everything in their power to maintain a good image and you have a great recipe for exploitation, especially for foreigners.

@F4F,
FIFA are looking out for minors and took precautions to protect them, quite the opposite of laziness as you imply. They are attempting to protect thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of minors across the globe from being displaced from their families with extremely low odds of success (and huge financial and emotional costs) and very high odds of abuse or neglect. I don't see how that is a bad thing. There are plenty of players who make it to the big leagues after age 18 without having to be transplanted across the globe to do so: Drogba, Klose, Javi Varas, Ramires, Dzeko, Maurice Edu, etc. etc.
Actually no, they aren't. What I was trying to say was they have put in place restrictions for non European players which makes it next to impossible for kids to come to big clubs. A better idea would be to monitor clubs closely for all their recruits. The problem with that is FIFA will have to spend some of its billions on monitoring clubs which is a lot of paperwork. Plus FIFA will have to take responsibility while allowing people to move around freely. Every kid deserves a shot at glory. That's how the western world works. It's one thing to protect kids and another to come up legislation that is too wide in its scope. Laws work well only when they are precise and serve the purpose they are designed for.
"FIFA takes the protection of minors in football very seriously. The protection of minors is one of the key principles included in the agreement concluded between FIFA, UEFA and the European Commission in 2001."

So you think FIFA is lying and that they put the regulations in place for their own financial gain so that they don't have to "monitor" transfers? That doesn't really make a lot of sense considering Messi (a young international transfer) has increased popularity and revenue for football worldwide, which only benefits FIFA. If money were all FIFA cared about, they would be urging clubs to buy internationally all the time to increase the chances of finding the next Messi and improve global marketing. FIFA is far from a perfect organization but to imply they are plotting to destroy all kids' dreams of playing European football for financial gain seems way off base.

And I don't really know what you mean when imply that FIFA just needs to spend money to "monitor" clubs and file some paperwork. Are you saying that you think it is FIFA's responsibility to monitor the well being of every underage international transfer across the entire planet for the entire duration of the transfer until the child is 18?
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@Alfrodo
Point taken. On a side note, yeah, I've moved abroad when I was 16, and true, it was a massive pain learning a new language. You're probably right that foreign kids have it tougher.

You've got a point about regulating the academies first, and well, maybe that's the way we should move. And yeah, the whole homesickness issue and the power control as well.

Nonetheless, I'm sure these issues can be worked around with proper regulation. It'll have to worked around over time, but in footballing terms, bringing an Asian/African/Middle eastern kid to Europe at 16 seems a little late for their development, and there will then be a higher chance of falling out of the system, that's my only point.

As a minor issue regarding your last point, I'm not denying that there have been many success stories, but all I'm saying is there could be more.
Alfrodo, it appears you have a good understanding of child development, child psychology, and risk assessment. You provided some fairly good points for your side of the debate, and it appeared you derived those points from your understanding of the aforementioned topics.

Perhaps the rules and regulations can be better handled to accommodate for any possible issues.

And just for the record, I'm a huge critic of FIFA's organization.

JRaty, you compared Rosa Parks, an inspirational individual who took a stand against her oppressors, to Barcelona and this particular infringement? And you had the audacity to consistently insult your peer with terms such as "asinine" and "ignorant"?
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@LastGraspWinner,
I appreciate your reflection and honesty.

I agree that these issues could potentially be worked out with proper regulation, and I hope they can be. The question is, who should be the one regulating the whole deal? The academies are overly invested and therefore an outside, objective body is required. In order for FIFA to regulate, they would have to hire and train thousands of workers worldwide to uphold more specific regulations and visit each site and child regularly to even approach an adequate job. It just seems like a near impossible task. Contrast that with clubs building new academies in specific areas across the globe to nurture talented kids until they are 18 or simply limiting recruiting to the current FIFA regulations. I'd like to hear anyone's thoughts on this subject.

While I agree 16 is pretty late for development, it's still not impossible. I would imagine the older kids must be pretty good to even be considered and make a tryout worthwhile. Thus, a natural weeding out process will already have occurred in foreign countries and only the cream of the crop will remain. At a later age, you could argue these kids will be more mature and ready to take on a huge transition like moving to a foreign country and leaving family behind so there could actually be a lower chance of falling out of the system.
Building academies to nurture children not just in football, but in academics as well, would be a good avenue to pursue. I think Real Madrid does something similar through their Real Madrid Foundation project. I'd have to double check though.
@Asasiyun,
Astute observations: I am in grad school for psychology and am well aware of child risk potential in situations we have discussed. Sadly, the public are mostly only aware of the miraculous success stories like Messi and have little to no awareness of the hundreds and thousands of kids and families who had negative or even exploitative experiences with international transfers. The threat is real and very serious, but it's hard to be aware of the risks when you are a naive minor with a footballing dream and the perceived opportunity to pursue it.

I too am a major critic of FIFA, which should make my defense of this regulation even more meaningful.

Academies are actually required to provide "club families" and education to the children who leave their families behind, which is a great start, but what if those families or teachers are abusive to a helpless foreign child who has little education? Which is why I think there needs to be some third party watching over the institutions if international transfer of minors were allowed.

And I see you met JRaty. Decent lad IF you agree with him. If not, be prepared for all manner of ad hominem and name calling.
What I meant was that the Real Madrid Foundation built academies for the less privileged in developing countries. I think it's a good starting point. Once they reach the legal age, and are clearly talented, they can take the next step accordingly.

I just checked the Foundation's page and I'm not entirely sure they're your prototypical footballing academies. It seems more like they've been exercising charitable projects instead. I'd have to look more into it myself, but if you're interested, here's a link to one of their pages.

http://www.realmadrid.com/en/about-real-madrid/foundation/projects
Almost all big clubs do social work with children across the globe. Barca foundation has alliances with several groups around the world including Bill and Melinda gates foundation to assist underprivileged children in their social, physical and mental development as well as providing them the tools to improve their condition.

But that's not what the problem is here.
That wasn't what I was implying, Franky.
I wasn't talking about your post specifically. The problem with FIFA's laws is they consider large clubs the same as any child trafficking agent. A lot of players in South America are signed by agencies with almost nothing. You could give someone $2000 and sign rights to the kid's footballing career and if he develops into a star, make millions. On the other hand, big clubs work with self imposed rules which makes them adhere to a higher cause. In the end, clubs want to find the next superstar and make money but FIFA treats everybody the same way.

No regulation works when its scope is extremely wide but has specific limitations. If you want to impose a regulation with a wide scope it has to be generic in nature such a rights of individuals, etc. If you want to get into specifics of how individuals live their lives, the legislation has to be tailored at that level.

I think Barcelona should be punished for taking things easy but then the idiocy around the fans about the details of the issue is mind boggling.
@Alfrodo
I think the system of nurturing players in their home countries have been in place for years, but it has not produced a super star just yet. It will in time, but that's pretty much down to finding a talent on Ronaldo's or Messi's level coupled with the hardwork of the two. Not to mention the coaching staff involved.

If you ask all our superstars, it's all down to the coaching staff they've worked with. The belief in the players, the ability to motivate them and all. One issue I forsee is that the best will always remain in the country of the club (which makes absolute sense). Also, the ones in the home country of the club have the added benefit of having the first team around as an added incentive. Some losses will occur unless the whole world goes Germany in the sense that they improve the level of all coaches.

Just one possible implication could happen with the academies is that clubs like Arsenal (yes my club) could steal these youngesters from the academies in foreign states, like the Fabregas scenario. Also, the level of the junior competition might be an issue.

One other possible issue could be the local clubs involved. Just imagine if La Masia has a branch in Newcastle. The Geordies kids (alright, brats :P) might all join La Masia with the hopes of making the Barca first team, and when they fail, hey, Newcastle FC is right next door. Barca could very well be developing future NUFC stars for them. Not quite sure how that'll sit with the established clubs.
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Good luck Mehdi, I was hoping Lucho is going to go after him, but it is ok. I'm happy with what we have right now, as long as Bartra gets a good look and Mash plays CDM.


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