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Sigh. Adriano can play anywhere well except in goal or in the heart of the defence. And David Luiz is erratic and is much better as a defensive midfielder. Neither of them are even half as good as what we should have in defence.
I swear that if we do not buy an actual central defender of a world class level, Tito doesn't know what defending is about and how important it is for the entire team. We'll head for another average season at best then.
I swear that if we do not buy an actual central defender of a world class level, Tito doesn't know what defending is about and how important it is for the entire team. We'll head for another average season at best then.
Hi
Today i've completed 4 years in this site.. i never knew when i signed i would really stuck around for that long.. i was in love in this website since they used to present us a great highlight and good recap for most games, even before it switched to the beta + type of server
Am also grateful that i have this site and you guys.. your analysts, your points of view and whatever you guys choose between right and wrong . sometimes i feel ashamed that i don't contribute much to the topics or post related to an article! like for example when u guys bash dani alves or pique for poor performances throughout the season! if it wasn't for my english, i woulda gave 100 reason why those 2 are my favourite in my book. yet i agree with most of you sincerely..
SHOUT OUT to the members of this form in particular and footytube in general
your ideas and your posts, your contribution and your bias facts what makes this page greater than ever...
che = from argentina and like to drink
jeroen= the king of this forum
TBS = the officer of this page
yousifsaid= hates pique
alfrodo= long bias posts.. dude u have my full respect
blackstarsmalik= realistic
7anzalla= i like your nickname and ur analysis too
and another shout out to sanchezalexis, weegeez, messingwithya, ltm, st1or and SIMPLYGODS * LOL MAN*
more respect to mr.white, Derbomba and Degaza for their constant participation.. i just want you to know that u have tought me a lot so thanks..
i been following this page for 4 years now. guys are phenomenal! may god bless all of you
Today i've completed 4 years in this site.. i never knew when i signed i would really stuck around for that long.. i was in love in this website since they used to present us a great highlight and good recap for most games, even before it switched to the beta + type of server
Am also grateful that i have this site and you guys.. your analysts, your points of view and whatever you guys choose between right and wrong . sometimes i feel ashamed that i don't contribute much to the topics or post related to an article! like for example when u guys bash dani alves or pique for poor performances throughout the season! if it wasn't for my english, i woulda gave 100 reason why those 2 are my favourite in my book. yet i agree with most of you sincerely..
SHOUT OUT to the members of this form in particular and footytube in general
your ideas and your posts, your contribution and your bias facts what makes this page greater than ever...
che = from argentina and like to drink
jeroen= the king of this forum
TBS = the officer of this page
yousifsaid= hates pique
alfrodo= long bias posts.. dude u have my full respect
blackstarsmalik= realistic
7anzalla= i like your nickname and ur analysis too
and another shout out to sanchezalexis, weegeez, messingwithya, ltm, st1or and SIMPLYGODS * LOL MAN*
more respect to mr.white, Derbomba and Degaza for their constant participation.. i just want you to know that u have tought me a lot so thanks..
i been following this page for 4 years now. guys are phenomenal! may god bless all of you
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I just noticed you and I both joined footytube exactly 4 years ago, so a happy 4th anniversary to you too ;)
Happy 4th anniversary to both you and Jeroen :)
ow ow!!! I got a shout out despite not being as active as I used to be. I've been on this site since 2005/2006 I believe but didn't make an account till a couple years ago.
Thanks for the shout out Mostafa! Happy 4 year anniversary to you and Jeroen.
so Neymar 2013/14 project is fading away, Silva is extremely hard to sign at this point, no concrete info on which GK will we have for next season and Tito doesn't want Hummles........this is looking good!
any thoughts?
any thoughts?
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Transfer window becomes tougher for barca.I fear barca may sign another 'song' to end their problems.
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Opening up our options is all we gotta do, Barca can;t just limit themselves to Neymar and Hummels/Silva for our FWD and CBs respectively, there are other players out there we can look into
When Neymars contract expires then Santos wont have a choice but its also his father and his owners that are making the transfer difficult. Tito had his chance to sign Silva but was to slow and now he is declining Hummels over his persistence of Silva.
We still have Marquinhos as an option for CB and Courtois as a G.K but seems Tito prefers Reina. Personally, seems to me everything to be in shambles right now with Thiagos situation as well.
We still have Marquinhos as an option for CB and Courtois as a G.K but seems Tito prefers Reina. Personally, seems to me everything to be in shambles right now with Thiagos situation as well.
Silva signing is more complicated than Neymar saga.PSG has no intention to sell him.So we wont get him below 40 mil.We cant offer him the salary he has at PSG.His agent recently said "Barca are too late for Silva".Why the hell Tito want 28 year old one for 40+ mil and high salary.
Marquinhos release clause is 25 mil.Barca wont pay that much money for a 19 year old defender.Also neither the player nor the club interested in a transfer.
Courtious is a young talent.There is no way chelase will sell him
Marquinhos release clause is 25 mil.Barca wont pay that much money for a 19 year old defender.Also neither the player nor the club interested in a transfer.
Courtious is a young talent.There is no way chelase will sell him
If a player wishes to leave, then the club can do little to stop it. If they can't persuade him to stay, then at most, they can delay him leaving until his contract runs out. But most would rather cash in than have a discontent player on their roster. From a negotiating stand-point it makes sense to signal that you wish to keep whatever someone else wishes to buy. The PSG boss also said Ancelotti was staying.
First off I want to say that it is great seeing everyone putting in an effort to make the Barcelona chat a true place for discussion. The immediate response has been great and hope that we can keep it up :)
Anyways, some interesting things happened today. First Victor Valdes held a team dinner as a farewell to the team as his time at the club is coming to an end. It seems that he wants to leave Barcelona in the off season which in my opinion is ideal because that means we will get a transfer fee from him.
One of the possible destinations for Valdes is AS Monaco which have recently become the focus of many transfer rumours.
For those who don't know, Monaco is a very small country located in France on the Mediterranean. The only thing significant football wise about Monaco though is that they do not have any income taxes so. That means that the value of the Euro in Monaco is significantly higher than anywhere else.
Monaco have also been linked to other high profile players: Falcao, James Rodriguez and Joao Moutinho (Porto), and Kompany.
The other transfer rumour which everyone who follows football should know is Neymar. So yesterday Barca was in negotiations with Santos. Barca offered 20 million, and rumoured to have offered up to 25 million for him but all offers have been rejected. I am not sure if 25 million is solely for the 55% share of Neymar which Santos owns or if it is for 100% of the players rights.
Either way, Barcelona have seemingly put a limit on how much they want to spend on bringing Neymar in this summer. Not sure if they are playing transfer chicken with Santos or not though.
I would like to sign Neymar but we should not be held at ransom for him. The risk of course is that some money rich team offers him wages which we cannot match and he chooses to sign with them on a pre-contract and rejects us. Hopefully Neymar believes that Barcelona is the best place for him to develop and rich his potential.
Last item which I wanted to address is the exodus of managers in La Liga. Pellegrini will be leaving Malaga this summer with Manchester City as the most probably destination while Real Sociedad's Montanier confirmed that he will be leaving the club to manage Rennes in France. Both of these manager losses as well as the loss of Mourinho, is a huge loss for La Liga, and surely a gain for the EPL and Ligue 1.
I feel that the exodus of these extremely talented managers is a symptom of the extremely unfair sharing of media rights and money in La Liga. These managers surely cannot compete with the bigger teams unless there is more equality in resources in La Liga. I hope LFP, Barca and Real Madrid take notice of this and understand the importance of equality and adapt to the changing landscape of football.
Anyways, some interesting things happened today. First Victor Valdes held a team dinner as a farewell to the team as his time at the club is coming to an end. It seems that he wants to leave Barcelona in the off season which in my opinion is ideal because that means we will get a transfer fee from him.
One of the possible destinations for Valdes is AS Monaco which have recently become the focus of many transfer rumours.
For those who don't know, Monaco is a very small country located in France on the Mediterranean. The only thing significant football wise about Monaco though is that they do not have any income taxes so. That means that the value of the Euro in Monaco is significantly higher than anywhere else.
Monaco have also been linked to other high profile players: Falcao, James Rodriguez and Joao Moutinho (Porto), and Kompany.
The other transfer rumour which everyone who follows football should know is Neymar. So yesterday Barca was in negotiations with Santos. Barca offered 20 million, and rumoured to have offered up to 25 million for him but all offers have been rejected. I am not sure if 25 million is solely for the 55% share of Neymar which Santos owns or if it is for 100% of the players rights.
Either way, Barcelona have seemingly put a limit on how much they want to spend on bringing Neymar in this summer. Not sure if they are playing transfer chicken with Santos or not though.
I would like to sign Neymar but we should not be held at ransom for him. The risk of course is that some money rich team offers him wages which we cannot match and he chooses to sign with them on a pre-contract and rejects us. Hopefully Neymar believes that Barcelona is the best place for him to develop and rich his potential.
Last item which I wanted to address is the exodus of managers in La Liga. Pellegrini will be leaving Malaga this summer with Manchester City as the most probably destination while Real Sociedad's Montanier confirmed that he will be leaving the club to manage Rennes in France. Both of these manager losses as well as the loss of Mourinho, is a huge loss for La Liga, and surely a gain for the EPL and Ligue 1.
I feel that the exodus of these extremely talented managers is a symptom of the extremely unfair sharing of media rights and money in La Liga. These managers surely cannot compete with the bigger teams unless there is more equality in resources in La Liga. I hope LFP, Barca and Real Madrid take notice of this and understand the importance of equality and adapt to the changing landscape of football.
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Montaine's departure is bad news indeed. If Sociedad qualify for the CL, I fear they might do a Villareal without him at at the helm.
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Thanks for the update TBS. As much as I want Neymar, I don't want us to break the bank so I'm glad we are starting low in our offers. That being said, it's easy to look at our transfer history and see that we were willing to dish out €26 million for A. Sanchez so Santos will probably want at least that, if not €30 mil.
I'm glad you brought up the fact we are losing a few quality managers from La Liga. I knew they were all leaving but it didn't really dawn on me how that will affect us and the league. I suppose the only consolation is that Ancelotti is linked with Madrid. Maybe Rafa Benitez will go to Malaga...
I'm glad you brought up the fact we are losing a few quality managers from La Liga. I knew they were all leaving but it didn't really dawn on me how that will affect us and the league. I suppose the only consolation is that Ancelotti is linked with Madrid. Maybe Rafa Benitez will go to Malaga...
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While there's no denying that Mourinho is one of Europe's finest, one has to make up his mind.
''What one wants isn't always what one needs''.
That being said, I understand that we, as La Liga fans, would love to see it being boast by the bests there is out there. But then again, Mourinho's presence came with a price. So my question to everyone is: Are we willing to pay the price as we now moan La Liga's lost of one of Europe's finest?
As for the frenzy going on during the transfer season, I'd do as I always do: Wish, hope, wait and see!
''What one wants isn't always what one needs''.
That being said, I understand that we, as La Liga fans, would love to see it being boast by the bests there is out there. But then again, Mourinho's presence came with a price. So my question to everyone is: Are we willing to pay the price as we now moan La Liga's lost of one of Europe's finest?
As for the frenzy going on during the transfer season, I'd do as I always do: Wish, hope, wait and see!
Is this then an indication that the tides are changing? First, we lost Laudrup, who did a remarkable job in the EPL. Then, we lost Pep, now with Pellegrini, Montanier and Mourinho all gone, and with Tito's condition unknown, La Liga is quite starved in the managerial department. Also, there are rumours of Biesla leaving, that leaves just one potentially good coach in La Liga in Simeone. We've got a bit of a problem here. Even with Ancelotti showing up, there's alot of ground that needs to be made up in the league.
http://www.thebusbybabe.com/2013/5/23/4357966/thiago-alcantara-manchester-united-transfer-rumour-barcelona
Have a read of this article on subject of Thiago to united (or to another club for matter of this post),
Below are the main points from article & my thoughts on them ,
Firstly Tito is been criticized for the not giving thiago enough minutes to keep his €90m intact , which is unfair in my opinion , as pointed by the writer due to an injury thiago missed the pre-season along with the start of the season ( injury timeline was 24.05.2012 to 01.08.2012 , though he didn't missed any game of current season because of this injury but still a player who is coming from long term injury & without proper pre-season is not expected to start in quite a few matches ) & then again he got injured during September which kept him out for the period of 07.10.12 to 25.11.12 (during which Barcelona played 6 matches & that accounts for almost 10% of the games we played this season thus far) .
I do believe that tito should have picked him more often during the 2nd half of season (after almost wrapping the League trophy) but as we know tito wasn't on the bench, though he had enough say on team management but still he was in no position to decide on starting the youngster,as he was far away from training ground to assess their performances in training & to take decision on their involvement.
2ndly reliability of the rumor, if this rumor is generated from our beloved news paper marca then I am assure that thiago isn't going anywhere ,as writer posted ( What better way to take attention away from Madrid's troubles than to throw a spanner in the works of Barcelona's future) .
The drastic drop in that Buyout clause seem to be a fake one too , which I am sure must be forced by his manager ( his father I think) I one was there . I am sure tito must have had a look at that contract and must had say in it & if that clause was for real , he should have done anything necessary to compile with that .In past I have heard his father was not happy about his son's playing time & I have a feeling that his father is having a part in this rumors just to put pressure on our management to play him more.
3rdly why the teams he is rumored to isn't the best one for him (just my opinion)
United – where he is rumored to play in either that 2nd striker role or that CDM Kindoff role , United have enough player to cover their 2nd striker role with better eye for goal then thiago , so that place hardly make any sense unless they push him little deeper and make him to play in role which ozil plays for Madrid . As for CDM role I don’t think he will be best suited to play that long passes & he certainly isn’t the best option to cover their defense which is required from that position , So again if thiago is to play for untied I think they have to cut down on either 2 CDM or that 2nd striker role .
other factor which might play a part in this transfer is management change (SAF’s retirement) , I am sure any youngster would love to play under SAf’s guidance but he’s no longer united manager & I don’t think thiago would take a risk under new manager at united
Mancity & FCB will be a step down but with no guarantee of more playing time , after Man city’s (cities) treatment of youngsters like Sinclair or nasri , I am sure one would think more than twice to think about them ,same can be said for Bayern Munich but due to their super balanced side & good enough bench to cover their all starting 11.
I always applauded our youngsters mental toughness and will do it again, In most of his interviews which I have read, he seems level headed & hard working lad, who knows that it’s difficult to make a room in this star midfield but yet always patience & aware of the fact that we see him as the heir of king Xavi (which he is capable of), which leave me satisfy & assure that he isn't leaving anywhere :)
Sorry for such a big & not so well written post :)
Have a read of this article on subject of Thiago to united (or to another club for matter of this post),
Below are the main points from article & my thoughts on them ,
Firstly Tito is been criticized for the not giving thiago enough minutes to keep his €90m intact , which is unfair in my opinion , as pointed by the writer due to an injury thiago missed the pre-season along with the start of the season ( injury timeline was 24.05.2012 to 01.08.2012 , though he didn't missed any game of current season because of this injury but still a player who is coming from long term injury & without proper pre-season is not expected to start in quite a few matches ) & then again he got injured during September which kept him out for the period of 07.10.12 to 25.11.12 (during which Barcelona played 6 matches & that accounts for almost 10% of the games we played this season thus far) .
I do believe that tito should have picked him more often during the 2nd half of season (after almost wrapping the League trophy) but as we know tito wasn't on the bench, though he had enough say on team management but still he was in no position to decide on starting the youngster,as he was far away from training ground to assess their performances in training & to take decision on their involvement.
2ndly reliability of the rumor, if this rumor is generated from our beloved news paper marca then I am assure that thiago isn't going anywhere ,as writer posted ( What better way to take attention away from Madrid's troubles than to throw a spanner in the works of Barcelona's future) .
The drastic drop in that Buyout clause seem to be a fake one too , which I am sure must be forced by his manager ( his father I think) I one was there . I am sure tito must have had a look at that contract and must had say in it & if that clause was for real , he should have done anything necessary to compile with that .In past I have heard his father was not happy about his son's playing time & I have a feeling that his father is having a part in this rumors just to put pressure on our management to play him more.
3rdly why the teams he is rumored to isn't the best one for him (just my opinion)
United – where he is rumored to play in either that 2nd striker role or that CDM Kindoff role , United have enough player to cover their 2nd striker role with better eye for goal then thiago , so that place hardly make any sense unless they push him little deeper and make him to play in role which ozil plays for Madrid . As for CDM role I don’t think he will be best suited to play that long passes & he certainly isn’t the best option to cover their defense which is required from that position , So again if thiago is to play for untied I think they have to cut down on either 2 CDM or that 2nd striker role .
other factor which might play a part in this transfer is management change (SAF’s retirement) , I am sure any youngster would love to play under SAf’s guidance but he’s no longer united manager & I don’t think thiago would take a risk under new manager at united
Mancity & FCB will be a step down but with no guarantee of more playing time , after Man city’s (cities) treatment of youngsters like Sinclair or nasri , I am sure one would think more than twice to think about them ,same can be said for Bayern Munich but due to their super balanced side & good enough bench to cover their all starting 11.
I always applauded our youngsters mental toughness and will do it again, In most of his interviews which I have read, he seems level headed & hard working lad, who knows that it’s difficult to make a room in this star midfield but yet always patience & aware of the fact that we see him as the heir of king Xavi (which he is capable of), which leave me satisfy & assure that he isn't leaving anywhere :)
Sorry for such a big & not so well written post :)
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I don't know if the rumour of his €19 or €20m clause is false, I hope it is though. He's also never going to play as a defensive midfielder like you said he might. He's an attacking midfielder in the first place, a central midfielder in the second and could be deployed as a winger with creative freedom as well.
United can definitely use a guy like him to replace Scholes. They have Carrick to be the more defensive player, along with a guy like Thiago and Kagawa in front of them both they would have a formidable midfield. I also hope all of these rumours are false, but the temptation to become an instant starter at United is big if you just had a season where you played less than you'd have liked to at Barça. I hope our players and coaches convince him it is best to stay. He's such a great talent, we cannot lose him. The midfield trio Busquets (DM) Cesc (CM) Thiago (AM) is our future.
United can definitely use a guy like him to replace Scholes. They have Carrick to be the more defensive player, along with a guy like Thiago and Kagawa in front of them both they would have a formidable midfield. I also hope all of these rumours are false, but the temptation to become an instant starter at United is big if you just had a season where you played less than you'd have liked to at Barça. I hope our players and coaches convince him it is best to stay. He's such a great talent, we cannot lose him. The midfield trio Busquets (DM) Cesc (CM) Thiago (AM) is our future.
^One thing I'd like to see Tito try during pre season though. Busquets at the CAM spot. With his footballing brain, he might actually make an incredible CAM, but of course, he'd be best deployed as a DM. But it's just my curiosity, to test his limits.
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If these rumours are indeed real... the team which should try to get him is definitely Dortmund.
You bring up good points about his injuries keeping him unavailable for games. Match fitness is much harder to get without a pre season camp which he didn't really have the luxury of having. Cuenca was out for a similar amount of time and didn't get a game till he was loaned to Ajax. I really hope that Thiago feels that he has a place for him in this team... If not, I really hope Xavi takes him under his shoulder and tells him why he should be patient and why the wait is worth it.
You bring up good points about his injuries keeping him unavailable for games. Match fitness is much harder to get without a pre season camp which he didn't really have the luxury of having. Cuenca was out for a similar amount of time and didn't get a game till he was loaned to Ajax. I really hope that Thiago feels that he has a place for him in this team... If not, I really hope Xavi takes him under his shoulder and tells him why he should be patient and why the wait is worth it.
@ jeroen , even along with defensive partners , scholes end-up doing lot of defending or "dirty work" as its called in other words , which Thiago isn't capable off , IMO players like Gündoğan or Khedira will be better suited for that CM position then Thiago
@BSM: Yeah, I agree. I don't understand how some people see a natural CM in Thiago, because IMHO he is the perfect modern AM. Not a n°10 yet, because he isn't a natural goalscorer in the box or out of it (yet), but he's not a natural CM either. He's the heir of Iniesta.
would love to see him at man utd. How many games he played for barca this year
^^^^^^^^^
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I'll liven this post up with a dash of Ronaldinho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPd6PGsp2JQ
And a pinch of Rémi Gaillard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ZO2FD4pNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPd6PGsp2JQ
And a pinch of Rémi Gaillard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ZO2FD4pNA
why does thiago even have that clause in him for???? hes too good to be let go off for that cheap
Because as a football club you don't always get what you want.
Teams would pay their players minimum wage if they could get away with it
Teams would pay their players minimum wage if they could get away with it
lol imagine if players were getting minimum wage.
Imagine if they were getting minimum wage and everything else was performance incentives :O
^ Then I wouldn't want to be a youngster or a benchwarmer. Unless warming the bench really well is a performance.
minimum wage as in GAZZILLION euros in football terms HAHA!!!!
Whats this thiago rumor....If this happens then Tito has to go simple as that...And personally i think he is way too stubborn as he refuses to give chances to young players and thinks (if its true) that hummels is same as pique......
If we buy thiago silva and sell thiago then somebody needs to bitch slap him......
If we buy thiago silva and sell thiago then somebody needs to bitch slap him......
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You can read all about it in the past pages, just take a scroll down
I think Tito may have been forced to play the starting 11 more and more to win laliga or Cl because its his first year as head coach.Tito knows if he end up winning nothing it will be a disaster.Also Tito said "Please judge me after the end of next season."
I am forced to think Tito is very weak in player assessments. Last season he bought Song instead of silva for defensive purpose.It was a total failure considering the purpose of transfer(Song is not a bad player.But he can not play CB). Now after one year he want only silva as new CB.A player like Hummels wont be available in every transfer window.Most shocking is his statement "Hummels is similar to Pique".Only Tito in the world will say that and understand that.I am still dreaming hummels at barca next season.
If thiago goes,barca not signing hummels and signs silva for 40 mil then,Tito,it will be a dark page of your coaching career
I am forced to think Tito is very weak in player assessments. Last season he bought Song instead of silva for defensive purpose.It was a total failure considering the purpose of transfer(Song is not a bad player.But he can not play CB). Now after one year he want only silva as new CB.A player like Hummels wont be available in every transfer window.Most shocking is his statement "Hummels is similar to Pique".Only Tito in the world will say that and understand that.I am still dreaming hummels at barca next season.
If thiago goes,barca not signing hummels and signs silva for 40 mil then,Tito,it will be a dark page of your coaching career
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Tito didn't buy Song as a CB, he bought him as a DM and hoped that our CBs would be fit/performing well and that Song would be able to play as a CB in a pinch. With Keita leaving we desperately needed a second DM, and for that, Song has been great. Where Tito went wrong was in the gamble that our CBs would be able to play, but to be honest, I'm not sure if Tito had the budget to buy both a great DM and a CB. If Pique, Mascherano and Puyol were all fit and performing I'm sure we wouldn't have seen Song play as a CB at all. Desperate times and all that.
Thiago better stay this season or else I'm gonna be depressed next season. to me he is the second most entertaining players on the team and he has potential to be a legend here. I already made my argument for him starting next season so Tito better not mess up again and play him less games than the contract holds his buyout clause. united are drueling over his price tag of only 20 mil and I think that's way too low as well.
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Dont worry dude.He wont go, sure.
If he goes, hopefully we put a buy-back option. That would benefit us way more as he would get regular playing time and come back even better.
For me second best entertaining player is Inesta, but I hope he stays too.
If thiago is sold then tito should be forced to leave......
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Just take a moment to enjoy and appreciate David Villa's mastery in what could very well be his last season with us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmNZOswCYQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmNZOswCYQ
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Its rumours like this that piss the hell out of me. While I am not one to believe it, its frustrating that people think its even an option. Why on earth would you EVER consider this? Not doubting his ability but we have all seen this season how it worked out.
Why not something like, "promising young Bartra will be Titos plan B if they dont sign Thiago Silva".
Also while on the topic of CBs, what are your opinions of David Luiz?