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i just found out that without messi's goals we would be sixth.
i dont find it a big issue because without messi our style of play would not be the same as it is now.

OR

we would have bought another world class player (or created one).
You found out or you saw the one picture of the league table without Messi or Ronaldo goals?
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You can't buy or create another Messi, if people could it would've been done by now.Thats why there's only one :P
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HAH how could you calculate our league position when you take away messi's goals??
without Messi we would defeat you any day
I was just reading barcastuff and it said busi is not taking part in olympics and taking rest.....Is he not playing in euro, is he not included in the euro team.....Thats strange if he is not.....Anyone care to elaborate......
Busquets said before that he would like to take part in both the Euros and the Olympics however it seems his priorities have changed.

Busquets will almost be a guaranteed starter for Spain if they continue to use two pivots and he stays injury free.

Anyways its not really big news that many of the young Spanish players want to play in both. Thiago, Javi Martinez, Muniain and others have stated the same
lol that's cos Olympics epitomise the spirit of the sport. Busquets will not play lest he be consumed by the Olympic flames that cheater
Dani Alves, broken Collarbone.

http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/detail/article/dani-alves-breaks-collarbone
OH MY GOD MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE NEED HIM FOR COPA DEL RAYYYYYYY
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NOOOOOOOOOO*
I saw that. That blows! Montoya will get some good experience though. Time to step up against Bilbao. Alves should be fine by next season though.
Terrible news. One of the worst injuries to sustain, as it interferes with almost every common activity in your everyday life.
Best of luck to him..
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LOL at "MOOOOOOOO" xD

I really hope Dani Alves recovers quickly. As Madridista said, it's a terrible injury to get... hopefully he'll be back soon and better than ever :)
Well... on the bright side... Cross your fingers and hope he gets more coordinated with the left?
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Really? I had no idea that the collar bone does that much. I look at mine and think it's a pretty worthless bone. Lol. Well, my initial reaction was, "big deal" but if its as serious as you say, then I hope he gets better soon. This coming from someone who doesn't even like the injured man.
I broke my collarbone when I was younger, like 12 or so, I was back swimming in 3 weeks after I broke it but of course there are different types of collarbone fractures.

I don't know how far this kind of injury has come but for normal people all the doctors did was give me t3's and told me to buy an arm sling and sent me on my way
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I have broken my collarbone while snowboarding and it also interfered with my AC joint (its just a bit of ligament around there more than a joint.) that was 9 months ago and i'm still not back to 100%. The initial recovery might be pretty quick for him (I hope) but it may niggle him for a while.
Pep made some tough decisions when he took over by getting rid of some big name players..What tough decisions do you guys think Tito should make?
Tough question because it's hard to see any of our big players leaving. I really hope he doesn't try to shake things up too much as far as selling players. We need to build depth. So getting rid of adriano would be a bad idea I've heard rumors of his exit which I find to be false but also very stupid. I think the decision to make would be whether we want to loan out Tello. I think it might be a good idea. Get the boy some experience. Is dos santos getting promoted or is he staying with B
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should get rid of messi and maybe sanchez too :p
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LOL!! Jokes DaGaza! You want us in the Europa league it seems :P
Say guys, the talks about the Super league have been left dormant for a while. So, if somehow, next season, we're both part of the super league, wouldn't it be a better idea to keep all your current players, and go ahead to buy new ones?
Could you imagine how crazy a super league would be? Not that I'm for it but watching regular fixtures like real madrid vs Man U and arsenal vs juventus is mouthwatering.
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Barcastuff's twitter keeps throwing around talks of drogba to barca. I hope this isn't true.
Is it cause of the way he acted against you? I get it, but still, Drogba's a beast. He always shows up for big games, works his ass off, can score from pretty much anywhere and I'm sure would be a great addition to Barca. I doubt any of your players would like to see him training with them after the way he clearly frustrated them in the semis.
Not the way he acted against us. I just dont like him. I also think we can do better. I prefer to sign younger players that we could build not somebody who is in his last 2-3 seasons. He is 34 and as a striker might not be a great investment.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
But just for one season, as a quick temporary alternative to the other strikers, he may come in useful. I think if anyone gets him now, he'll be on a free transfer, so it may not be a bad idea. Especially in Europe, where teams will wanna follow Chelsea's lead and defend against you, a powerful player like Drogba could tear them apart.
I get it though, it'd be a better option to invest in a younger player who you could shape into a great striker..
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If for free, maybe. That is up to Tito. I trust his judgement. It would be interesting if he could play our style.
Hope Barca dont get RVP and get another striker or something, we need him
RVP will leave, his agents already talked with some big clubs
but he did say that he will always been a gunner at heart
LIKE HENRY!!!!
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Dont freak out bro nothing is official until its official =/ nobody knows what exactly is going on with the transfer market and we will find out soon enough what goes on. I hope it works our good for all teams.
the transfer market has yet to open, so chillax bro :P
[double post]
This is what the La liga Table would look like if you take out all the goals of Ronaldo and Messi
http://i.imgur.com/1RPDx.png
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LOL! Whoa thats crazy, not that I didnt know that but its scary to see. Boy did Messi need help this season- lets hope our players step up next season :)
I'm sorry but can this page please have more constructive conversation that Messi vs Cristiano. My goodness it's as if everyone congregated here to discuss this topic today. Yes La Liga is over and everyone is tingling with excitement over who will win Ballon d'Or but we still have Bilbao to play. We still have next season, club news, and generally all of our players to talk about. Anything but Messi vs Cristiano
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Well said.
Time to start up that Euro talk fellas, so top 3 candidates anybody, anybody? xD
ltm017 lets start how bad keita is hahahaha jk.........

For me euro top candidates are as follows

Spain
Germany
italy (I am hoping they do good)
Spain, Germany, Netherlands are my pick :)
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i don't think Italy has a chance....Germany , Spain, Netherlands
I hope Ukraine goes far but eh just hoping for too much i guess? haha But like most say last 4 will probably be Spain, Germany, Netherlands, and 4th is up for grabs i would say Belgium (they have the team they just need to work out the kinks), maybe Italy, who knows even England =/ but i would say Belgium is a safe bet
Is that a joke with belgium? hahahahahahaha
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It's hard to say, who will win it. Euro's always have their surprise like 08 with russia and turkey or 04 with greece.

Let's hope poland and ukraine have a good tournament. It's always nice when the hosts doing well.
For me poland is the dark horse with their 3 BVB-boys and home-advantage
Than we have the usual favorites like spain, germany, italy, france, netherlands and maybe portugal if they survive the death group!

I really hope, that spain fail this time with their
anti-football
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Lol, SG, Belgium's coach just resigned to coach Club Brugge, and even worse is the fact we didn't qualify for the EC. Despite all the talent and the good cohesive group, we couldn't do it...
Although my expectations are similar to those posted above (Germany, Netherlands, Spain), in this Euro my eyes are fixed towards Poland with Lewandowski, Piczszek and Kuba :) would be interesting to see those 3 play together when not in BVB :D
@ Robbery...Belgium are going to have a very good team in a couple of years....Their keeper and defence are already first rate (Courtois, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Van Buyten, Kompany). Hazard is an amazing young talent while Mertens, and Lukaku are up and coming.

They are actually one of my darkhorses this year!
@josue
darkhorses for what this year???

Belgium is nt playing the EURO 2012.
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Speaking of dark horses..it is PORTUGAL!
Portugal will be real dark horses. I expect much of the team to have stellar tans by June 8th
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^LMAO man..No seriously, I just have feeling that their selfish plays and pacey players coupled with some luck to help them oust their group of death.
Well, my money's on France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands or Portugal. Historically, no team has ever retained the Euro title, so that rules Spain out. Also, there's also the possibility of ruling Germany out, because as far as I remember, no team has ever played in consecutive finals. That leaves us with France, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark or Portugal. I leave Germany as a possibility only as a German fan, but not a punter :P
Please has anyone seen my thread yet?
Best Moments of the 2011-2012 season???!
I would go with the moment the King hugged the Legend...!
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No offense, but imagine how much he cares..
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Just a tip mate, Psychology is a life skill, and it's really helped my career massively. Mourinho taught me that the adult world is generally a farce, and well, practicing what he taught certainly gave me a huge amount of leverage in the working world. Maybe that's why I'll always respect the man, though I began by hating his arrogance. You may hate it, but for the sake of having an easier life, try to master it.
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You called Mourinho a scumbag and you do not respect him as a human being, yet you would spit in his face if you saw him in real life. Something doesn't sound right here. I considered you one of the cooler Cules, but you might not be so different than Mourinho.

I have never defended Mourinho's lame and pitiful actions and words. This however is not one of them. Mourinho has an opinion and it is a fair one. He said that Ronaldo's goals were more important than Messi's. It is much different than saying Messi's goals were unimportant. What he has done is effectively get into your mind because you either chose to read from the wrong source, or you did not understand his comment. Messi's goals were important, just not as important as Ronaldo's is what he is implying. He has reason to say this as well because Ronaldo's goals helped us to win La Liga whereas Messi's goals did not help Barcelona win any of the three major titles, the titles that are usually used to judge teams and players. Just saying.

I wouldn't reply to your 'opinion' but I wanted to make sure you formed an opinion based on the truth and not a misconception devised by the media.
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Never mind. *sigh*
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The sad thing is, I bet you were saying "Messi's goal were a lot more important than Ronaldo's last season" because you won the league, and CR7 won the golden boot. Wow, Fickle much dude.
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To be honest, it's a over simplification to you say that the goals scored by Ronaldo this season were more important than the goals scored by Messi simply due to the fact that Madrid won the league. The fact that Madrid won does not mean that the goals Ronaldo scored were more decisive than those by Messi, because that alone doesn't tell you how big a part Ronaldos goals played in Madrid winning. Now, I'm not saying that it isn't true that Ronaldos goals were more important, but the fact that Madrid won the league alone isn't proof of that.

You need to actually look at when they tended to score goals. Who scored more often in close games? Who scored more often in important matches? Personally, I don't have the stats. I know that Messi has scored some tie-breaking goals this season, and I'm sure Ronaldo has scored some as well. I also know that both have scored goals in games that were already decided, eg. 5-0 trashings.

What I do know however is that Messi was directly and indirectly involved in a much larger portion of all Barcelona goals than Ronaldo, especially compared to his team-mates. I don't have the exact numbers, but Messi scored some 4 times as many goals as the next best Barcelona scorer. In comparison, doesn't both Higuain and Benzema have some 20 goals? I'm not saying that Barcelona without Messi would've scored 100 less goals, as that's of course a ridiculous over-simplification. But I think we can all agree that the gap between Messi and the next best striker in Barcelona was larger than the gap between Ronaldo and the next best.

lol.. do u guys realize dat without messi's goals this season, barcelona will be down the table maybe around 6th?..

How are those not important as C.ronaldo's??
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^ because at the end of the day,,,,, Trophies count,,,, Last season, the same reasoning was given by barcelona fans for why Messi should get Ballon d'Or over Ronaldo....

This season when they reverse happened they are not ready to accept their own reasoning.
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Team trophies are collective, the Ballon d'Or individual. If trophies were decisive, then Messi wouldn't have won the Ballon d'Or in 2010. The Ballon d'Or is awarded to the one individual voted to have performed the best this season.
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Primera División Table

Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
100
89
32
121
2
4
32
38
1
91
85
29
114
3
7
28
38
2
61
15
44
59
11
10
17
38
3
58
1
53
54
14
7
17
38
4
56
7
46
53
12
11
15
38
5
55
4
50
54
15
7
16
38
6
54
-17
61
44
10
15
13
38
7
52
-4
46
42
14
10
14
38
8
50
1
47
48
14
11
13
38
9
49
-3
52
49
13
13
12
38
10
47
-11
51
40
15
11
12
38
11
47
-6
52
46
15
11
12
38
12
47
-9
56
47
17
8
13
38
13
46
-10
56
46
16
10
12
38
14
43
-20
73
53
21
4
13
38
15
43
-25
61
36
19
7
12
38
16
42
-21
56
35
20
6
12
38
17
41
-14
53
39
15
14
9
38
18
37
-27
69
42
21
7
10
38
19
27
-35
63
28
19
15
4
38
20
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UEFA Champions League Table

Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
16
16
4
20
0
1
5
6
1
9
3
8
11
1
3
2
6
2
5
-7
11
4
3
2
1
6
3
2
-12
14
2
4
2
0
6
4

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