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Have you all seen the leaked 19/20 kits? If we're to believe the rumored leaks, our home jersey will be half white half black and not the usual stripes (technically very thick stripes that take half of the jersey). I'm not a big fan, but may change my mind once I see the actual jerseys. The 3rd jerseys are looking sick though (unity blue with aero blue logos). I'll likely get me a 3rd jersey next season. Adidas has been killing it with some of their designs. I really like the 15/16 black & gold, the yellow (3rd) & home kits from last season, the home kits from 16/17, this season's away and 3rd (home is really good, but I prefer last season's home). There were some I wasn't too crazy about, like the 15/16 pink kits and the 17/18 green.
That actually sounds cool to me. Something different.
well what do you know? switch to a 4-4-2, put wingers in their natural position, give Dybala more space and things flow more naturally.

No messing around in midfield, both wingers and Dybala constantly on the move. Obviously the lack of chemistry still shows, but the first half was a good watch this time. Even if it was only Chievo, our game seemed to be better.

Goes to show that if players get to play where they feel comfortable, Allegri's whole individuality tactic gets a boost.
well, Chievo might be sitting bottom at the table, but still they're one of the darkhorse against the top teams in Serie A

they already got a point away against Roma & Napoli and against Inter at home\

but beside that, Dybala & Costa look more like their "usual" self unlike previous matches before
I want to see this formation against Lazio. Then let's talk.
@Noir853, I find is interesting your comment about Costa. I thought he was really good in this match against Chievo, but I thought he was even better against Bologna and Milan.
Costa has to play.

And I guess this shows again that Dybala and Pjanic don't quite work together on the pitch.
What Allegri turned Pjanic into doesn't work on the field. He is our slowest player, but he doesn't have the vision to pass like Pirlo even if technically he can. Over the years he lost his shooting boot as well. It's just a mess.
I also want to see Costa play more. When in form, he's a constant threat. For example, in that 1st leg game against RM last CL, I thought as soon as Costa was subbed out that it would free up Marcelo to move forward a bit more because he wouldn't have to worry as much defensively with the constant threat of Costa. Minutes later Marcelo scored their 3rd goal. The 1st half of this season hasn't been kind to Costa, given his uncharacteristic suspension early in the season and his injuries. However, it feels like he's finding his stride again. I hope that translates to more playing time. I love Madzukic, but maybe his injury is a blessing in disguise as it's forcing Alegri to play Costa more often.

Side note, I really liked how Can played, especially in the first half. He was smartly able to stop the threat of Giaccherini most of the time without having to resort to fouling him.
+1
Our football quality has a lot of room for improvement obviously. I'm all for discussing the issues.

I even recommend we organize them numerically and discuss one at a time.

I'll start with a simple one.

#1- Pjanic not taking free kicks on the left side anymore.

I really wish Ronaldo would stop taking free kicks on Pjanic's side. Specially the ones closer to the box where Pjanic is simply the best at in Serie A. For the Longer ones we can let Ronaldo take one or two but the more serious chances are mostly being wasted by him.

This needs to be discussed but Pjanic is too nice to say anything and Ronaldo just wanna shoot everything so Allegri has to step in here. Will he? probably not but he should.
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Our free kicks are piss poor this season. Most of it because Ronaldo.

Pjanic has a lot of problems though. He isn't a threat at all. Against Milan he had like 3 shots and all of them went way over.

He was just a good trequartista in Roma, now he just does 3 meter passes and is even a burden on the defense. Shame that Allegri has this Pirlo fetish and is unable to change.


I'm now certain that Allegri thinks he doesn't need to control talent. Or he won't. He even said something along these lines in an interview. Just go out there and play. He is depending on individual performances because our quality is just levels above the rest of Italy, but in the meantime the players lost their edge.
@Jujex, this, a million times this. I watched the Copa D'Italia game against Bologna with a group of Juventini and there was a free kick that was at the spot for Pjanic. Before the free kick was taken, one of the guys in the group said it would be another kick at the wall by Ronaldo, which ended up being the case. The color commentator mentioned that he didn't understand why Pjanic was not taking more free kicks since Ronaldo came in, which I agree and I normally disagree with commentators. He definitively needs to take more free kicks. It's great that Ronaldo is stepping up and taking responsibility, but I think it would be better for the team if both Pjanic and Dybala had more looks from free kicks.

As for Pjanic's position, I believe the problem is that Khedira and even more so Matuidi seem to miss easy passes way too often. I know there is more t the game than passing and the grit and effort Matuidi brings outweighs his poor passes. However, I don't see another guy we can trust to make the transition from defense to offense when we recover the ball on our side of the pitch. I think Sandro is doing a good job on the left side and allowing us to have Mutuidi's grit on that side in the middle. On the right side, we are okay in that department, but nothing to brag about. I think, however, that if we had a better passing defensive midfielder we could afford to move Pjanic a bit more forward into his more natural position. Maybe if and when Can or Batancur become more reliable, we might be able to afford to move Pjanic a bit more forward. With that said, I'd love to see Pjanic in a more forward role, which would also afford Dybala to focus more in his more natural offensive position instead of continuously morphing between attacker and attacking midfielder. (Cuadrado and Costa are better at this continuously morphing position game).
+1
all those boring gameplay and safety first approach squared back passes..

maybe what Juve need is a new set of mentality. Just take a look at United before and after Jose
We did just win the super cup after 3 years. Or are we too spoiled to care anymore?

I agree the football was not at the level it should be but they have just come back from a break.

There is so much negativity on this page...
@Jujex usually i'm the most positive guy around here. But i don't blame some of us for the "negativity" maybe due to the fact that when it comes to domestic silverware, Juve are untouchable

..so Juve winning the Scudetto, Coppa & Supercoppa are nothing new, and judging by the way they performing, Juve are far from being the favorite for UCL(i hope i'm dead wrong about this)

hypothetically speaking, for me personally, IF i can, since Andrea Agnelli era, i would trade all of Juve Scudetto(except for the one in 2011/12 bcoz that's something special) and Coppa(except for 2014/15 bcoz that's also something special) along with the Supercoppa for ONE chance to win UCL
What does one have to do with the other?

And hypothetically speaking so does every other fan in the world who don't support Real or Barca.
Jujex, what you just proved what I've been saying for years. The Hungarian fanbase I talk to are a lot like this as well.

Black and white thinking. We won, so we are good.

I've said that I look at the potential of the team, what they can do and base my expectations accordingly.
I don't care if we win or not because we are going to win the league anyway, but looking at our play, I know we will lose against top teams.

Milan is not a top team. Plus in the league basically all teams are happy going for a point because you have 37 other matches to reach your goal.

At this point, I think, the only thing that decides our matches is how "afraid" the opposition is. If we meet a Liverpool who isn't afraid to attack or a Barca who is used to defensive teams then we will get killed because we can't attack and our defense won't last.

More and more this team is used to having the ball and rolling it around until something happens, but against top defenses that may never come. We have Ronaldo, but instead of using the fact that he draws an extra defender, everyone passes to him because they feel obligated to do so.


To be honest the team is barely watchable this season and I have passed on a lot of matches. Players are not used the right way, some, like Dybala are completely useless 90% of the time. Can't believe it to be honest, the kid can't even pass a single defender usually. There is no chemistry and they are so bent on keeping possession that they rarely trying risky passes so our entire attack because predictable and lazy.

It all depends on that one lob that someone can make at the right time or the defense to make a mistake. I know Pirlo was a genius, but the 11-13 teams played better football.
+2
You miss the point. I just don't think it's fair to diss them right after they've won a cup.

Do we need to improve? yes massively. I'm quite familiar with our issues. Will We? As I said before we'll know in a month.

I'll leave my judgement until then, as I really feel complaining about an issue that we have absolutely no effect on, over and over on a weekly basis is a bit tiring.

You know what though? This is the most genuine interest you've showed in Juventus in a while.

I'm all for discussing how we can improve the football but to just leave a passive aggressive comment once in a while and say "I told you so" or "you just proved this and that" won't do.

If you like what I suggested then get it going and I'll join in.
@Spigy exactly

hey, i won't be complaining for the fact that Juve already got one silverware this season. All i hope for was a new "adventurous" mentality bcoz i know this team can definitely do better
For me it isn't about the cup. I expected the win and it was expected by everyone else. Just like for the past years. Us not winning is a failure, but winning is expected.

CL is the only competition that should be a challenge, but we are barely beating Italian teams by 1 goal.
For instance, blindly I expected us to comfortably win against that drab ManUnited team back-to-back. Looking at the way we play though, I'm not surprised by what happened.

The team is stuffed with attacking potential, but these players won't ever be their best under Allegri.
We know Dybala tends to put himself down when he doesn't score. Last year he did manage to score over 20 goals and this year he is at like 4?

It's simply isn't working and frustrating to watch. I don't watch the matches just for Cristiano as most of our new fans so I simply don't watch, don't comment.

People who are looking at our unbeaten status and Supercoppa win are just blinding themselves with this built in sense of security as the king of Italy.


For CL I'm fairly certain that we will lose to Atletico. At this point the only teams we have a chance against are Schalke, Lyon, Ajax, Real, Roma and Porto.
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Yeah those are all valid points.

Cristiano is here to stay though for a while. You've got to get past that.
I don't know how many forums you are involved in but here we don't get many fanboys. Don't go looking for stuff!
well people are drooling left and right, but it's social feeds that are killing me.

Facebook and Youtube are now stuffed with Africans and Asians that know crap about the sport and just spam their hashtags and polls and hunting for likes all for Ronaldo. It's a cesspool of social media..

makes me want to drive my head through the wall.
Well that's what social media is now. Full of morons. I'm not on twitter and I certainly don't read any comments on on those 2 or Instagram.

I mean a friend of mine is an Arsenal fan and he told me you should've seen the nonesense their own fans posted on Cech's retirement post. People are insane.
I hope Costa's injury wasn't serious. The guy need a break this season.
And Pjanic's as well.
Boring, boring and boring. No creativity. Backward passess all the time. We need a creative midfielder. What we have is bunch of above average midfielders. We can not win in Europe with this kind of mindset.
I swear Pjanic regressed so much from his Roma days..
it's probably Juve playstyle affecting him. At Lyon & Roma he's got a free roam #10 role where he can move up & down

here, he's playing in Pirlo position so IMO that probably what's limiting him
Cross from Costa to Ronaldo, who does some magic to hit the ball. I wish it had gone in. It would have been an amazing goal.
Pipita takes out Rino on training, man u gotta have some balls and guts to do that on him...hehe...

https://www.facebook.com/optussport/videos/324678148143233/UzpfSTExNDY4MjQ2NTI1NjA5MjoyNDQ0NjQzMTc4OTI2NjY0/
+1
Moise Scores, Spinazzola starts, De Sciglio dribbles around players and Bologna concedes the funniest goal ever.
Happy new year fellas!
+3
And Costa is everywhere.
+1


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