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I know we're getting 4 teams in UCL(but even that are still wasn't 100% sure to happen), but Serie A result in the last 3 nights were kinda okay

all top 3 of last seasons getting a victory and scoring 4 goals each, while la Viola netted 5 past Qarabaq

Inter on the other hand, idk was that the same team which beat us some weeks ago(its true they said form didn't matter in the derby). For the benefit of the doubt i think they just want to get out from UEL a.s.a.p. Meh, should've let
It's better to judge at every stage instead of match. For now, we know that Roma, who want to be Italian champions, couldn't make it into the group stage.

While Inter, for all their boasting can't even pick up a point in EL.

This leaves a lot to be desired.
The management should consider hiring a defensive set piece coach if such a thing exists. We can hire Allardyce part time, he needs the cash!

We haven't been the greatest at defending crosses and set pieces over the past few seasons but it always used to be Lazio who would trouble us but now every friggin' cross seems to be going in. It is just getting ridiculous. We are the new Arsenal.
You're absolutely right Jujex. Everytime we fudge up a set piece, I always try to tell myself it's okay, it was probably one of the shorter midfielders who lost their man. But NO. It's always one of the BBC, the supposed best backline in the world.

I don't know what it is, maybe Barza and Chiello are getting along in age and can't jump as high as they used to, but their positioning has been atrocious as well.
for the team boasting atleast 4 over 6" defender such as BBC & Benatia, its pathetic how weak and vulnerable we were when defending set pieces

p/s: watching Napoli last night, at the end of the match their player probably doing "AC Milan 2005" after 70 minutes mark. Conceding 2 cheap goals. That would probably cost em if it is a knockout stage bcoz Benfica definitely capable of beating em 3-1 or 2-0 in Lisbon.

Chiellini did the same stunt near the end of our match last night but he got away with that one

idk what happen to the current Italian teams. But the trademark of 'watertight Italian defense" are slowly fading away. Atletico on the other hand looking like a traditional Italian team
boys its a long season, new team, it will take min 15 games to get it right..... lets hope Allegri figures out Hernanes is not JUVE MATERIAL!!!!!!!!!

Forza Juve!!!!.....Can't wait for Marchisio
Hernanes played well against Zagreb....had no errors in the whole match so I don't get the criticism against him
The positive aspect is that the new signings all seem to be happy but you can tell from the way some of the players are behaving that things are not going quite as well.
Mandzukic was very agitated against Palermo, Dybala does not look happy, Licht too. I don't know whether that has to do with the expectations this season, Allegri or the fact that the football is not quite clicking just yet but I hope whatever the reason maybe it passes.

Hernanes' situation is what it is. To be fair he is being played in the wrong position and sooner or later if he is being used it will cost us an important game against better opposition but at the same time we only have 4 CMs right now and the two important ones are injury prone so until Sturaro and Marchisio get back we'll have to make do but then again a 442 or 4231 with Pjaca Dybala and Cuadrado is what stuff of dreams are made of, well our dreams anyway. Allegri's dreams have Hernanes as a CDM in it :/

And yeah can't wait for Marchisio to come back, a fully match fit one won't be back anytime soon though.
just finished watching.

Wasn't all too convinced tbh. There is more to the fact that Dinamo couldn't deal with our defense and theirs was awful.

I feel like some things need to be cleared. First Allegri. The only reason he made those subs is because we were up by 3. Perfect chance to lessen some of the hate he has been getting sub wise.

Second..Dybala was painfully hard to watch. I mean we all know that he has a golden foot and nice goal and all, but my god...
It's like the whole team's deficiencies are taking shape with him.
I get that we have chemistry issues, but months are more than enough to get some routine going and formations set up.

In this regard we have nothing. Remember how Conte always had the front 2 lined up and one would step over?
Things like that are non existent under Allegri and now that we are not even in form, we have nothing to fall back on.

Looking at the movement and the passing. Count how many times players make runs and nothing happens. Or how many times we pass back to the same player or give the ball away. As I said it's especially visible on Dybala now. He wants to please Alves so much it's getting awkward.

I'm telling you, a top5 team would tear us apart right now. Some of the quick passes they actually attempted needed to be dragged through the defenders and by the end someone was on all fours trying to dig the ball forward.

This is all Allegri. Don't know what happens on training, but millionaire players should be able to pass better. Maybe some Futsal matches midweek would do them good.


We got the result easier than I thought, but I wasn't happy to be honest. Well happy for Dybala on that goal and seeing some forward passes from Pjanic, but otherwise...we have a long way to go.


oh yeah..WTF is up with defense on set pieces? :D
I see your point about Dybala and Dani crystal clearly, and that has been my main gripe about this new team so far. It seems that Dybala and Dani are trying to replicate a Messi-Dani partnership, and it has gone so far that Dani has replaced Dybala as our main playmaker. I mean, look at the number of times Dani Alves has been in the CAM/CF position, while Dybala pulls back or drifts wide. You see much less of the wide support that Licht or Cuadrado offers.

I don't get whats going on in training, but it seems like Allegri gives Dani so much respect that our other players on the right side like Dybala and Khedira have to take a back seat, and we become a less fluid team. The other side with Alex Sandro and Pjanic is looking much better to me, with good build up play that leads to service to Higuain. We are not Barcelona and we shouldn't try to be.

No hate on Dani Alves though, 1+2 goals at this stage of the season is always appreciated.
Dybala drops way too deep recently, although it's kinda understandable because we don't have a good link between our mids and attackers.
Juventus could've won 7-0 and Spigy would have still been on here telling us why Juve needs to improve and why Allegri needs to get fired lmao
Spigy is never pleased I give you that, well not for the most part since Allegri got here but he does make some good points in his argument (Except for the Conte one Spigy, our attacikng tactics became so predictable under Conte in the end it made me wanna pull my hair off and I did not notice Dybala being as bad as you described mainly because I was focused on Khedira being worse, he does look very unhappy though) but you don't need to add a "Laugh my ass off" every time you disagree with a member on this page and be condescending towards them.

If you disagree just argue your case. We all like the same team here.
As Ive said, I look at the match and how the team plays, how people are moving off the ball instead of just watching highlights and stats.

Leo I know this may be hard for you to process, but winning 4-0 doesn't necessarily mean you played good. It just means that you were that much better than the opposition.


Jujex say what you want, but that step over worked a lot of times, but what is important is that when it happened everyone around knew what was happening.

This is what I miss. I wasn't talking about Conte's complete attacking tactics. Situational passing variations is what we need. Things that are practiced to the point where players don't need to guess what the other wants because the pass and sequential movement tells everyone where to run and where to expect the ball.

Right now you can see that a lot of players start running because they think the ball is coming, but it's not. These are long balls though.
What we really need is as I've said, the short passing that isn't dependent on a players vision.

for example if Alves comes up with the ball and passes it to Dybala who steps back.
Now Alves can either run without stopping and than Khedira steps into a short pass from Dybala and immediately lobs into open space for Alves.
Or if Alves stops than Khedira runs past Dybala, which would tell Dybala he needs to pass back to Alves who would lob it up to Higuain so he can head it down in Khedira's path...

etc. I realize it's not that simple, but practicing and knowing these kinds of plays takes pressure off players and speeds up the process. I mean when we had Pirlo it was enough just to pass around until he sees something, but we don't have that now. Relying on pure vision when you have non gives you what we have now. Weak passes back and forth and hopeful balls forward.


We can also sum this up as 'there isn't enough movement'. That's all Allegri though. He wants the team compact and to have players next to eachother so there can passing, but side and back passes are just dragging out time and don't get you anywhere.
Good to see Alves doing well :) I have no doubt the free kick went 100% according to his plan!
+1
His new nickname is Pinball Dani !
Easy game, comfortable win. Glad to see Dybala scored, hopefully that will boost his confidence. 4-4-2 is interesting, a short reminisce of our '03 formation.
The 4-4-2 was a joy to watch against Dinamo, but it had a few worrying drawbacks. The midfield was far too exposed, it was a good thing we played mostly in their half. And when Dinamo countered, the defence was too thin, resulting in a 4v4 situation a couple of times. A team like Napoli would have punished us mercilessly.

Nonetheless, it's a good evolution so far, hope to see more diverse tactics from Allegri as we did today!
+1
agree with the point about 4-4-2. The midfield looked "hollow" bcoz we don't have the actual ball-winning MF.

Hopefully we'll sign Witsel in January
Yep, but Dybala was playing more upfront with 4-4-2
Alvesssss againnnn :D
Alves at it again!
Did something happen to Allegri?! 3 attacking substitutions, in a 25 minute period, and it's not even the 70th minute yet??
Pjaca on! Time for 4-2-4??
More like 4-4-2


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