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Verratti is joining Claudio on the sofa. It's going to be such a good EURO...
Well, I guess Pirlo will be up for them, no?
Verratti's agent just confirmed that he will have surgery on May 16th. Damn. No Marchisio or Verratti for the Euros.
Italy are in a pretty tight group with Belgium, Sweden and Republic of Ireland. I sense a possible group stage exit, although you can still qualify for the knock-out round by being third in the group. Plus,I think we'll be playing pretty boring because defense will be prioritized as that is the only area where we are strong. Not looking forward to this tournament from Italy's perspective.
watching Liverpool vs Villarreal match, what's that old saying...attack win u matches. Defend win u championship

Villarreal is not knows as a tactically defensive team(like Atletico) but they try to pull out that tactics last night and it cost em dearly.

Its true what they said, the best thing that could happen is that u stay true to yourself and play to your strength. That's bring me to Juventus vs Bayern 1st leg 1st half. Juve looks like a scared kid during that first 45 minutes, but that's change from the next 45minutes onwards to the 2nd leg until that goal by Lewandowski

hence why team like Atletico are successful(I'd consider beating the 2 heavy favorites on the way to UCL final are quite a success). Regardless of their dirty tactics and sometimes unsportsmanlike behavior but one thing to look up to them is that they believe in themselves and play to their strength

I'd fancy them to beat Real Madrid this time and lift the trophy for the 2nd time. But as a neutral, i'm hoping Real Madrid to score first bcoz if its vice versa, we know what to expect until the end of the match :D
Atleti 2-1 Real. Ronaldo scores first, Griezmann replies, and Torres with the final blow.
I say it'll go 1-1 through extra time, and Atletico wins the shoot-out.
So here is the more relevant question. Where are we compared to Atletico?

Juve is a bigger club obviously. We spend more as well. Last year we lost 1-0 over 180 minutes, but we went to the final. They have been there years earlier and are there now.
We played 2 draws vs Bayern and lost overtime.
They won 1 and lost 1 and won on aggregate.


Results suggest we are the same, but this being their 2nd final in 3 years gives them +1 I think. What Atletico is doing over the years is a big blow for "big" clubs as they are doing the same with less.

CL seems to be a merry-go-round as top teams beat each other in unexpected ways. Because of this it may hard to make a power ranking of whos better and not. At the beginning of the season I thought only Barca and Bayern are the ones to fear as Tier 1 and there were no such thing as a Top 3 with Real, but Atletico beat both of them now.
So I guess while maintaining that Tier1 is Barca, Bayern...we can say that Tier2 is a lot closer now and can beat them on their day. Where does Tier3 start though? PSG, City or BVB? Can any of you see a clear difference between all these teams?
I see tiers instead of a top 10, but it isn't clear as day.


thoughts?
IMO

Top 5:

Atletico Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Juventus
Real Madrid
I'd still think we are on par with Atleti and slightly better than Real. Atleti, Real and Juve as Tier 2. A gulf of difference in quality and then we'd find the likes of Dortmund, PSG and may be Spurs in Tier 3. But I am basing my judgement on Dortmund and Spurs on their league form, we can't be so sure of their current European status.

I don't think any of this matter. If these last couple of years have proven anything is that we are our own worst enemy. It's the fear of reaching the objective. We have the most runner up titles for a reason.

I think that's the biggest difference between us and Atleti. They are prepared to play against any team and they know what they are good at and stick to it. However they have an advantage that we don't. They have been playing against Barca and Real for a few years now and that's the best practice they could get. Unfortunately for us, all we have are Roma and Napoli and we roll them over easily but when a tough European tie comes along we get scared.

I think PSG is even worse than us. I was sure this year that they would make the semis with the form they were in but as soon as going got a little tough they broke.

I also wanna say that I'm against putting teams in Tiers. Atletico have beaten Barca and Bayern which make them better than both. Simple as and Real is in th final as well. The rest don't matter specially in a knockout competition.
I'm only thinking in tiers as most people have this idea of a top5 top10 most of the time and I think it's not that clear cut.

Atletico may better atm, but are they better overall? would they win more out of 10?

Also it may not matter, but this will always be a topic among fans. I mean City was in the semi-final and we beat them home and away. Then we got drawn against another semi-finalists yet our CL season is called weak everywhere I look.
I mean most people don't even know that we have played 8 finals.
I think there will always be this search for validation of our status in Europe, and the only way that happens is by winning the CL. PSG have been flattering to deceive for so long, and now, with Ibra and potentially Cavani leaving, I feel like they will only move backward. I thought last year's team was primed for it but the one team that I did not want to face in the final was the one we got.

There is also something to be said about sustained excellence and not being called a fluke- at this point, I think most in Europe know that we have recently been dominant in league play and our true test was only going to come in Europe. Another semifinal or final might have validated us that much further, as it has for Atletico, with their 2nd in 3 years- I would actually like to see them win it just to get something for all their hard work, and give us something to aspire to next season.

Where do we fall in terms of Tiers? I think that Barca and Bayern are still the 2 best teams in Europe. I think Atletico have been defensively brilliant and didn't choke it away in their game, but they don't score nearly enough to be in the top Tier. We probably fall right behind them, even though you could make an argument for Real being slightly above us right now.
I think it's disrespectful to the team that just beat the supposed best 2 teams to put them behind those two.


In my opinion Atletico is a better than both of them, domestic leagues are irrelevant, attacking football and points and goals scored against lesser teams are irrelevant as well.

As for the best teams I would go
1-Atletico
2-Barca
3-Bayern
4-Real ( since I really believe they would've lost to those two)
5-Us (I can't very well put us on top of the CL finalist now can I? specially since f*****g up the group stage put us there)
yeah, but Jujex we are not talking about current status, but built, sustained overall status of the clubs.

City went 2 steps ahead of us. Would you rank them above? no. Real may be on top now, but they are far less consistent than Barca or Bayern. I don't mind facing them any time.
Bayern are out. Can't lie, it feels good.
+1
yes...! and now rummenigge say they felt cheated that the referee made bad calls or else they could have won....bla bla bla and so on.....remember wat Guardiola say to us when we got some bad calls? Juve are "TOO BIG" to complaint....now like wat we also say....karma is a BITCH...!

http://www.espnfcasia.com/bayern-munich/story/2864413/bayern-munich-feel-cheated-after-champions-league-ouster-karl-heinz-rummenigge
Rummenigge does this every season- he is the only one allowed to complain; everyone else should act with class and dignity. I don't mind Bayern as an organization, but they really should get the man to keep his thoughts to himself.
+1
And Leicester have done it. I gotta say after 20 years of watching football there are still moments and stories that can shock you.

This is simply the most incredible achievement I've seen in the game and it goes to their wonderful players and specially Ranieri.

After finishing 2nd and lower for so many times, he won the most unbelievable league title ever. Congrats to him and Leicester.
+1
What a story. A story for life and beyond. Something to draw inspiration from not only in football but in life otherwise as well.

Imagine being in the shoes of those players, most of whom were largely 'rejects' from big clubs. Incredible achievement for them.
Score one for the little guys!
this also means that Leicester gets automatic pot 1 in CL 16/17.


I find it ridiculous that everyone is writing on the Leicester forum when everyone knows there are no fans on this site -.-
http://www.football-italia.net/83577/juve-2016-17-shirt-leaked

Have you guys seen this apparent leak of our kit next season? Personally i find it hideous, hopefully it's a fake. The new design makes the Juve black and white unrecognisable, taking away any feel of tradition.

What are your thoughts?
FUBAR
Agreed, my friend.
and what in the blue hell was that...????

if its the real thing I'd definitely skipping the home kit for next season
So happy to finally see Hernanes getting a goal. I always wanted to see him do one of his famous back flips in a Juventus jersey. Hope we keep him for next season as well.
+2
If we get Gomes, he won't be needed. He only had a handful of good minutes this season anyway.
Rather keep Hernanes and save the 35 million euros tbh
+1
No one is gonna give us any money for him anyway so don't worry.
+1 @LeoMora
Apologies for the site being down- some modifications were being made that unfortunately crashed the rest of the site. Things should be back in working order now.
+2
Woot, finally up!

And damn, Hernanes was awesome!
Mario Lemina's loan is made into a four-year long permanent deal folks. Let's see how this kid develops.
+2
I'm glad but should we get this Andre Gomes guy now? I just read the article that said it's done. We have 7 CM/DMs and Gomes is another 35 million!!! CM. This would mean no attacking midfielder/trequartista again for another year.

Plus I saw Gomes' stats and nothing indicates he is worth that much.

I hope we can get Cuadrado sorted out before we buy another midfielder. He gave us more edge in Europe than any CM.
I am very happy with the Lemina deal. Big fan of him.

And honestly, I feel that our 352 is good enough for Europe. Dybala's role is different than that of Tevez. Dybala sits deeper to bring the ball forward, much like a trequartista. So I don't mind missing out on a trequartista, especially if we can't get someone established.
Very happy that we signed Lemina outright. He has the potential to become another Vidal. The kid can be played anywhere in midfield. Some argue you can play him almost anywhere in the field. Him, Sandro and Pogba are probably our best players when it comes to stealing balls off the opposition.

Now hopefully, we can sign Cuadrado outright as well.
Sg, Tevez did the same thing. Even under Conte, but more so with Allegri.

Lemina is good and Gomes seems to be a good addition, but it is getting crowded.

Lemina may be fine being a back-up, but Gomes won't be. He seems to have great vision so, is ideal for our passing game, but he may be frustrated if he is told stay back like Claudio.

This also puts a question mark on Pereyra. He was unfortunate with injuries this season, but he has attacking potential. Being an attacking midfielder, he also lacks place in 3-5-2.


and fresh news is that we may target James. That would seal the deal for making 4-3-1-2 our main formation. Cuadrado doesn't fit there though.


there are decisions to be made.
OK this seems a bit of a stretch and very difficult to players to switch between week in week out but by now we know that we need a completely different approach to Europe than to Serie A. Our 352 is flawless for Serie A ( and it does not need a CAM) but for Europe Cuadrado and Morata were arguably our most effective players when they were on the wings in 433. Now this also might not require a CAM but I just like Rodriguez and Isco too much to say no but in this case Berardi and Cuadrado can be very effective.

So if I would put my selfish reasons aside to have another technically gifted No.10 type I think we should bring Cuadrado and Berardi in and try to work on a string and effective 433. Counter attacks Pressing, we have youngsters who have a lot of pace and energy as well. I think this is the way to go.
OK this seems a bit of a stretch and very difficult to players to switch between week in week out but by now we know that we need a completely different approach to Europe than to Serie A. Our 352 is flawless for Serie A ( and it does not need a CAM) but for Europe Cuadrado and Morata were arguably our most effective players when they were on the wings in 433. Now this also might not require a CAM but I just like Rodriguez and Isco too much to say no but in this case Berardi and Cuadrado can be very effective.

So if I would put my selfish reasons aside to have another technically gifted No.10 type I think we should bring Cuadrado and Berardi in and try to work on a string and effective 433. Counter attacks Pressing, we have youngsters who have a lot of pace and energy as well. I think this is the way to go.
Yes, I love our flexibility in formation. And we need one more CB, for backup, obviously. Evra as CB feels so wrong, luckily it's just Carpi.
My biggest concern this off-season will be what Real are going to do with Morata. The boy loves it here, but Marotta told that everything regarding him is in Real's hands. I think Real are going to make it extremely difficult for us. Real need a striker for themselves although Morata does not fit their galactico bill, or they might just sell him for profit. This is really a big concern for me, he has already proven he can have a great future with us.

And, if we are really getting Gomes, that will have me worried about Pogba's future here. Alternatively, the idea might be that Gomes will replace Marchisio for next season, and a season after that one MF will go, most likely Pogba.

I am not so enthused about a treqaurtista, but we certainly need an attacking midfielder so that we can play a 4-3-3 in Europe. Be it James or Isco or even Berardi.


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38
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8
11
36
14
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16
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10
36
15
38
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57
33
18
8
10
36
16
35
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53
34
17
11
8
36
17
35
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63
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19
8
9
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18
31
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71
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21
7
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25
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30
19
13
4
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