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Our football quality has a lot of room for improvement obviously. I'm all for discussing the issues.

I even recommend we organize them numerically and discuss one at a time.

I'll start with a simple one.

#1- Pjanic not taking free kicks on the left side anymore.

I really wish Ronaldo would stop taking free kicks on Pjanic's side. Specially the ones closer to the box where Pjanic is simply the best at in Serie A. For the Longer ones we can let Ronaldo take one or two but the more serious chances are mostly being wasted by him.

This needs to be discussed but Pjanic is too nice to say anything and Ronaldo just wanna shoot everything so Allegri has to step in here. Will he? probably not but he should.
Our free kicks are piss poor this season. Most of it because Ronaldo.

Pjanic has a lot of problems though. He isn't a threat at all. Against Milan he had like 3 shots and all of them went way over.

He was just a good trequartista in Roma, now he just does 3 meter passes and is even a burden on the defense. Shame that Allegri has this Pirlo fetish and is unable to change.


I'm now certain that Allegri thinks he doesn't need to control talent. Or he won't. He even said something along these lines in an interview. Just go out there and play. He is depending on individual performances because our quality is just levels above the rest of Italy, but in the meantime the players lost their edge.
all those boring gameplay and safety first approach squared back passes..

maybe what Juve need is a new set of mentality. Just take a look at United before and after Jose
We did just win the super cup after 3 years. Or are we too spoiled to care anymore?

I agree the football was not at the level it should be but they have just come back from a break.

There is so much negativity on this page...
@Jujex usually i'm the most positive guy around here. But i don't blame some of us for the "negativity" maybe due to the fact that when it comes to domestic silverware, Juve are untouchable

..so Juve winning the Scudetto, Coppa & Supercoppa are nothing new, and judging by the way they performing, Juve are far from being the favorite for UCL(i hope i'm dead wrong about this)

hypothetically speaking, for me personally, IF i can, since Andrea Agnelli era, i would trade all of Juve Scudetto(except for the one in 2011/12 bcoz that's something special) and Coppa(except for 2014/15 bcoz that's also something special) along with the Supercoppa for ONE chance to win UCL
What does one have to do with the other?

And hypothetically speaking so does every other fan in the world who don't support Real or Barca.
Jujex, what you just proved what I've been saying for years. The Hungarian fanbase I talk to are a lot like this as well.

Black and white thinking. We won, so we are good.

I've said that I look at the potential of the team, what they can do and base my expectations accordingly.
I don't care if we win or not because we are going to win the league anyway, but looking at our play, I know we will lose against top teams.

Milan is not a top team. Plus in the league basically all teams are happy going for a point because you have 37 other matches to reach your goal.

At this point, I think, the only thing that decides our matches is how "afraid" the opposition is. If we meet a Liverpool who isn't afraid to attack or a Barca who is used to defensive teams then we will get killed because we can't attack and our defense won't last.

More and more this team is used to having the ball and rolling it around until something happens, but against top defenses that may never come. We have Ronaldo, but instead of using the fact that he draws an extra defender, everyone passes to him because they feel obligated to do so.


To be honest the team is barely watchable this season and I have passed on a lot of matches. Players are not used the right way, some, like Dybala are completely useless 90% of the time. Can't believe it to be honest, the kid can't even pass a single defender usually. There is no chemistry and they are so bent on keeping possession that they rarely trying risky passes so our entire attack because predictable and lazy.

It all depends on that one lob that someone can make at the right time or the defense to make a mistake. I know Pirlo was a genius, but the 11-13 teams played better football.
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You miss the point. I just don't think it's fair to diss them right after they've won a cup.

Do we need to improve? yes massively. I'm quite familiar with our issues. Will We? As I said before we'll know in a month.

I'll leave my judgement until then, as I really feel complaining about an issue that we have absolutely no effect on, over and over on a weekly basis is a bit tiring.

You know what though? This is the most genuine interest you've showed in Juventus in a while.

I'm all for discussing how we can improve the football but to just leave a passive aggressive comment once in a while and say "I told you so" or "you just proved this and that" won't do.

If you like what I suggested then get it going and I'll join in.
@Spigy exactly

hey, i won't be complaining for the fact that Juve already got one silverware this season. All i hope for was a new "adventurous" mentality bcoz i know this team can definitely do better
For me it isn't about the cup. I expected the win and it was expected by everyone else. Just like for the past years. Us not winning is a failure, but winning is expected.

CL is the only competition that should be a challenge, but we are barely beating Italian teams by 1 goal.
For instance, blindly I expected us to comfortably win against that drab ManUnited team back-to-back. Looking at the way we play though, I'm not surprised by what happened.

The team is stuffed with attacking potential, but these players won't ever be their best under Allegri.
We know Dybala tends to put himself down when he doesn't score. Last year he did manage to score over 20 goals and this year he is at like 4?

It's simply isn't working and frustrating to watch. I don't watch the matches just for Cristiano as most of our new fans so I simply don't watch, don't comment.

People who are looking at our unbeaten status and Supercoppa win are just blinding themselves with this built in sense of security as the king of Italy.


For CL I'm fairly certain that we will lose to Atletico. At this point the only teams we have a chance against are Schalke, Lyon, Ajax, Real, Roma and Porto.
Yeah those are all valid points.

Cristiano is here to stay though for a while. You've got to get past that.
I don't know how many forums you are involved in but here we don't get many fanboys. Don't go looking for stuff!
well people are drooling left and right, but it's social feeds that are killing me.

Facebook and Youtube are now stuffed with Africans and Asians that know crap about the sport and just spam their hashtags and polls and hunting for likes all for Ronaldo. It's a cesspool of social media..

makes me want to drive my head through the wall.
Well that's what social media is now. Full of morons. I'm not on twitter and I certainly don't read any comments on on those 2 or Instagram.

I mean a friend of mine is an Arsenal fan and he told me you should've seen the nonesense their own fans posted on Cech's retirement post. People are insane.
I hope Costa's injury wasn't serious. The guy need a break this season.
And Pjanic's as well.
Boring, boring and boring. No creativity. Backward passess all the time. We need a creative midfielder. What we have is bunch of above average midfielders. We can not win in Europe with this kind of mindset.
I swear Pjanic regressed so much from his Roma days..
it's probably Juve playstyle affecting him. At Lyon & Roma he's got a free roam #10 role where he can move up & down

here, he's playing in Pirlo position so IMO that probably what's limiting him
Cross from Costa to Ronaldo, who does some magic to hit the ball. I wish it had gone in. It would have been an amazing goal.
Pipita takes out Rino on training, man u gotta have some balls and guts to do that on him...hehe...

https://www.facebook.com/optussport/videos/324678148143233/UzpfSTExNDY4MjQ2NTI1NjA5MjoyNDQ0NjQzMTc4OTI2NjY0/
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Moise Scores, Spinazzola starts, De Sciglio dribbles around players and Bologna concedes the funniest goal ever.
Happy new year fellas!
+3
And Costa is everywhere.
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How likely do you guys think these romours about us signing Isco is?

https://www.juvefc.com/juventus-targeting-isco-for-the-summer/

Also, do you think it’s a good idea to sign him for the romoured €70-€80 millions? Personally I’m on the fence on this one. First I heard it, I was super excited, but then started questioning his consistency and wondering if his tendency to hold on to the ball would fit our style.
70-80M... too expensive
Yes, there is also that. I agree, I also find that to be a pretty steep price for him.
In a world where Coutinho goes for 160 and Dembele for 100, 80 for Isco is a bargain.

But with Ramsey coming this deal does not seem likely.

However if I were to go all in for a top CAM in the summer, the only choice is Christian Eriksen.

His contract is up in 2020 so Levy will have to sell him if he does not sign by summer. As for him, he just gets better and better each year. Probably the best midfielder in EPL right now with De Bruyne out.

He scores, he assists, free kick master, he covered more ground than anyone in the Spurs team in pretty much EVERY game he played this year!

There is only one issue and it's related to Isco. Real is going in for him hard in the summer. That's why there are Isco rumors floating about.

So we might as well go in for him. They are also after a Neymar/Hazard so we might have a chance. Ideally if we include Can in the deal that would be Perfetto!
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Can just signed for Juve. Cut him some slack
Oh alright.
Hey Disco how about this...
We get Eriksen, you get Pochettino and Kane and keep Isco and they get Can and a boat load of $$$. Sounds like a win win ;) we just have to kidnap Daniel Levy for a week or two.
just read some post in Around Juventus fb page

Marotta : "we are not selling the player unless he is the one asking to leave"

Paratici : "the player will remain, full stop"

guess which approach made the club looks like a "weakling"..
+1
Yep. We definitely remember that.

It looks as if Marotta's first order of business at Inter will be selling Icardi. Keeping with the olden traditions!

I guess Paratici is referring to Benatia. He moans a lot.
Inter really messing it all up with Icardi- from the fines to the stingy contract offers.....Wanda already looking at Madrid.

I'm not going to kill Marotta- they have already sealed Godin for the summer and are looking at Modric or Barella in the summer, along with (God forbid) Conte.
a similar sentence, but it affect the club on a different level

Marotta approach basically saying, "the players have all the power eventhough they have a contract with the club"

while Paratici approach said, "the player can leave, u can have our player, but u have to deal with the CLUB first & foremost"

regarding Benatia, i'd understand about his complaining due to getting less playing time. And i agree with him, he should start over Bonucci for the time being, bcoz most of the goal has came either from Bonny mistake and lacks of concentration. He even made Duvan Zapata looks like O-Fenemono Ronaldo against Atalanta a few weeks ago

but not to the extent that u(Benatia & his agent) putting the club at the hostage situation. U have the contract with the club, honor it for f*** sake.
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@Sam

one thing they didn't realize, its doesn't matter if they signed our former transfer guru, or even have the current Juventus player swapped shirt and playing in the black & blue, they'll finish 2nd at best in the league

If u tell me back in 2011 the team with the lineup of old guards(Buffon, Del Piero, Pirlo, Chiellini) along with new guys (Vucinic, Lichsteiner, Vidal) and some average to good crop players (Bonucci, Matri, Quagliarella, Pepe, Estigaribbia, De Ceglie to name a few), who gonna win the league in 12 months time, unbeaten, i would be rolling on the floor laughing, considering we've had our worst 2 seasons in history prior to that

but guess what? that team did triumphed, bcoz its all about the CLUB itself. That aura, that pedigree. U just can't BUY it, let alone replicating it
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Hah well said Noir!
I reckon it's his moaning that keeps him on the bench. Bonucci will cost us Europe at some point, If Benatia stops moaning he might get ahead of him sooner.

And Sam, Inter does not scare me one bit. Specially if they sell their young talent and replace them with Godin and Modric. Not to mention their own stadium.

This is the best Inter team in 7 or 8 years and they are 14 points behind us in 19 games. Until they keep their true young talent for a few seasons and grow together like Napoli did they have no chance.
I think this may be a one off policy for this season. They seem to want everyone to concentrate on winning UCL even the bench players.


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