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Thoughts on the Pato link?
He is splitting opinions to 2 extremes. Wonder what everyone here thinks.
*wince*

That should tell you which extreme I am on :P
Would rather him than nobody, but wouldn't be jumping for joy if it was just him.

But, if we got Saido and then got Pato as well I would be very happy. Pato has started scoring again, albeit in Brazil

Number 9 and number 18 are available
Bloody hell, Arsenal and Liverpool have had some luck in the last couple of games. Newcastle giving Arsenal a red card and an own goal this game, last week Crystal Palace should have won and gave them an own goal. Liverpool should have lost against Arsenal with that Ramsey goal, and Benteke's goal against Bournemouth shouldn't have counted; not to mention against Stoke when Coutinho's last gasp stunner won the match.

I feel like today, our luck changes. An open game against Everton suits our players. I'm gonna say a comfortable 3-1 (Kane twice and Pritchard off the bench)
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JinxSpurs4Life strikes again? :P
If Pritchard goes out on loan i will be furious.
Soldado now has 2 goals and 2 assists in 2 games, kinda expected that, lol
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Actually kind of pissed now. WTF dude! Not cool.
LOL Yep, that was expected. Spurs have got to own this one. We had one of the best goal scorers in La Liga and didn't even bother to adjust the team to his benefit.

#Spursy
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Why blame the player when it was us who refused to adapt. We had a hammer and insisted on banging in nails with a screwdriver. He made brilliant off the ball runs, set up other players and expected quick one twos. However, we lost the plot starting him alongside Row-Z Townsend and No Assist Eriksen. Hoped time and again he'd instead play with Holtby and Lamela, but that rarely happened. Instead of playing intricate football, we played like West Ham and focused on scoring one screamer in 3 games and be giddy about that.

The only phrase I kept using for 2 years for Soldado... Square peg in a round hole. I wish him all the best at Villareal. Technical and tactical players never do well in the EPL because the EPL is very poor in both areas.
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The truth is rarely pure and never simple (Oscar Wilde). Soldado's repertoire as a striker is too limited for him to succeed in the EPL and he should never have been bought. Quick touches and movement is alone not enough in the Premier League. So while Soldado was a likeable character and obviously with some great qualities, it was extremely frustrating to watch our frontman not capable of taking on just one man between him and goalie. No pace, no dribbling skills, couldn't shoot from distance and no aerial threat. You're never going to pile on the goals in the EPL then - and that is what he was brought in to do. Total wrong purchase.

So to change your analogy, Mags - we needed a hammer but bought a screwdriver...
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Not all strikers that succeed in the EPL and pacy dribblers who can shoot from a distance. But the overall gist of your statement, I agree with it completely. If we never were going to adapt our ways, why the hell did we buy a player who can play no other way? He grew up and succeeded playing one way, and isn't a youngster who'll learn and adapt. He was consecutively the 3-5th scorer in the La Liga for multiple years, and we bought a finished article. We should have adapted, or not buy him at all.

Blame goes two ways. The management for buying the player, and for the coaches who refused to adapt to get the best out of players. Soldado could have done better, but atleast he never whined in public and always tried hard in training. Could have easily been happy collecting his wage like certain other players we've had in the past (and present).

The fear I have is how we use Son and N'Jie from here on. If we don't adapt slightly and actually play the ball in front of them (rather than to their feet), they'll be able to contribute f**k all and we'll have two more "bad buys".
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It wasn't possible to adapt the entire squad for him, and totally impossible considering it was the EPL. So (in hindsight) it was totally naiv to go bring in Soldado (and Paulinho).
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It was a 3vs3 of Soldado, lamela and Holtby who play one way and kane, Eriksen and townsend who play another. 2 have been sold and two look on their way out while two have prospered. Sad really. Guess nothing to do but move on.
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Compelling points from both North & Mag. I'm going to sit this one out. :D
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I'm not sitting this one out.

Soldado had chance after bloody chance and failed us. End of story for me. He missed so many clear cut chances, at work we call them ooooohs. blaming everyone else but him for his failures doesn't cut it for me. I like him as a person and respect his skills but England just does not suit him.
+1
Defoe > Soldado
Where have I absolved Soldado of all the blame? He isn't suited to run and shoot style football, simply doesn't have the mentality for it. I remember 2 years ago in the podcast, I was asked exactly that and I mentioned that I was confident that Lennon would try more early crosses to feed Soldado and as long as he'd do that he'd be fine. If my friends could pose me that question and I could say that 2 bloody years ago with my backside rolling off my proverbial armchair, what the hell were our scouts doing when they spent that amount of money on a player that is simply no good as a target man? What the hell were the managers thinking trying the same rubbish again and again with two record signings absolutely struggling in that system? Even when results weren't coming our way, we refused to try anything other than our plan A, even with personnel who didn't have the attributes to play to the plan A.

There is a lot of blame to be going about. Baldini, AVB/Poch, and Soldado have borne the brunt of it. But even that is an oversimplification. The coaching staff are simply not upto the mark, considering the sheer number of goals we let in and the lack of goals we've scored and no alternative tactics. The scouting system, we do know, has gotten an overhaul and a lot of new scouts have been hired to try and avoid this very mistake again. But the coaches are getting away with a lot here.

My urge is quite simply to look at the big picture, and instead of saying "Soldado's s**t", try and understand where everything's gone wrong in the transfer and learn from that. Reason? I really rate Son and N'Jie, and we're in danger of repeating our errors unless we change our style of play. There needs to be some change coming through the coaching staff and their tactics, and not have inverted wingers with high up fullbacks in every game. It destroyed a couple of players for us, hope it doesn't do the same to a couple more.
So team news is out, what is the starting 11 everyone would like to see?

--------------------------Lloris-----------------------------
Walker---------Alde-------------------Verty--------------Rose
-------------------Bentaleb--------Dier----------------------
-Dembele--------------------Alli----------------------Chadli-
---------------------------Kane-----------------------------

We're a bit limited at the moment, with Lamela out of form and probably off to Inter.

I would say keep Walker, although one more poor game and Trippier should definitely get a start. Up against Mirallas, I feel we need the pace of Kyle.

Rose should come back into the side. IMO Davies was (after Chadli) our worst player against Leicester with a mountain of individual mistakes.

Chadli (like Walker) probably deserves another chance. Alongside Rose, he will get more space to operate, and he'll know he has to up his game with our new signings and Pritchard knocking on the door.

Alli deserves a start. Our standout player of pre-season, scored a goal that should have won us the game against Leicester. With Eriksen out, I feel like he deserves a game. Would also maybe consider Pritch to start as no 10.

Verty had a bad game against Leicester, but was very solid against United and decent against Stoke. I wouldn't trust Wimmer in this game.

Prediction? 2-0 to us. We just have to get a win! We just bloody have to! COYS!
I am not sure Lamela is goner yet. Just saw video of Son's 1st day here & Lamela was there in the background training as usual.

As far as team goes, I would go with your team. Just Mason instead of Bentaleb.
The absolute best time to give new players a go is Sunderland. Ledley King's knees are stronger than their defense! Great way to introduce N'Jie and Son. Give them a chance to run at a weak defense with the manager threatening to quit.

Everton:

---------------------------Lloris--------------------

Walker--------Ald---------------Vert-------------Rose

--------------------Mason-----------Dier--------------

Dembele-------------------Lamela---------------Chadli

---------------------------Kane----------------------


Won't really change the squad this game, not because of deserving or undeserving, but because of the opposition weaknesses. Hopefully Chadli doesn't have another stinker or he'll certainly get dropped with Son coming in.

For Sunderland the week after:

---------------------------Lloris----------------

Trippier-------Ald-------------------Wimmer-------Rose

--------------------Alli--------Bentaleb----------

--Son--------------------Dembele-----------------N'Jie

---------------------------New CF/Kane----------------
What we achieved since Poch took over and putting it into perspective in terms of team balance while looking at the big picture (over the next 2-3 years):

1) We needed a better Wing backs. Only had Rose and Walker with Naughton and Fryers. Now we've replaced Naughton with Davies and Trippier. We have 2 really good full backs who've come through the club, and two further homegrown players who certainly add to the competition and quality of the bench.

2) Needed an overhaul at CB. Enter Dier, Wimmer and Toby.

3) Needed some younger players in midfield. Enter Alli and Bentaleb's continued development. Plus Dier now being tried at CDM. Resurgence of the Moose this year.

4) We were crying out for width and pace on the wings. #HereComesTheSon and N'Jie.

5) Massive clear out of deadwood and wages.

6) New stadium with huge stand sanctioned, along with NFL tie in.

7) Managed to keep Lloris and of course.. Kane.

8) Average age of the squad slashed down drastically.

People use keywords all the time. AVB's Project, Poch's Philosophy and ol 'Arry's "top top player". But this is genuinely the first time we're actually witnessing something tangible in the long term view of where the club's headed. It isn't something that'll happen overnight. This is something that should have started when we sacked 'Arry, but better late than never. Streamline the team and a bump or two (we're spurs, can't expect them not to be there), but we'll get there.

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Great analysis Mag. I completely agree. This season, I think (with the exception of the Leicester match where it was crazy hot) we've seen some fantastic football. The extremely complicated and detailed pressing system that Poch is instilling on our team is taking time but I am sure we will see the benefits of it long term.

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Long term it is, Paddy. Poch is going to need time, but if we stick with him, we'll see a solid team ready to compete by the time the stadium's completed.
Brilliant analysis there Mag.

when mentioning the midfield you forgot about further academy products in Carroll, pritchard and a mason, and now with onomah possibly playing some games and the ones you mentioned I think we are really set in all departments, I think maybe another striker but other than that I'm really excited for the coming season 😁😁😅
+2
Good times ahead, surely!
+1
I indeed did forget Mason, Rogue. My bad! Didn't mention Pritchard and Carroll because one hasn't played at all for the team and the other's spent more time away than with us. I don't see Onomah playing for us this season, will probably go on loan to a championship squad or play with the U21s. But to add to what's happened in recent times, it must be said that we also increased the academy facilities. So much achieved in such little time, people really have no patience and/or intelligence when they slate the club.
+1
We certainly seem to be moving in the right direction with personell and Poch still needs to be given time. Though there are some question marks about how we set up and get the best out of the squad, and his lack of impact from the sideline. But there's plenty to be hopeful about these days.
+1
Great stuff Mag, If we could get Wanyama / a Natural DM and a Berahinho / a Natural striker I would be delighted with what has happened this window.
+1
Great signing in son. I think he will surprise a lot of people just how good he is.
+3
So.. shortly, who do we want?
Trips to Portugal, France, Netherlands and Scandinavia - rather than Italy, Greece, Turkey or Russia...
+1
A SuperBock trip to Braga, a visit from BAE & St Etienne and maybe Norwegian Molde or Rosenborg...
Group J
TOTTENHAM
ANDERLECHT
MONACO
QARABAG

Not a bad group, should be interesting!
+2
Fun group with challenging games, slightly marred by the trip to qarabag... Hear that's a downright pain.
+1
Good teams but got to be happy with that draw.
Its official lads!

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/heung-min-son-deal-agreed-280815/

Well we know his chant already (think beatles), I think his and N'jie's pace and versatility is perfect for Kane's hold up play. COYS! #fuckWestBrom
+2
Haha that final hash tag. :D
I am still in the #FreeSaido camp. :P
+1
Sonny days ahead :D Gotta give the recruitment staff credit. Completely out of the blue! This surely spells the end for either lamela or townsend.
+1
He's number 7. The 7th Son...
Damn that's a very good signing. He can play in so many positions.
I am kinda sad to see him leave Leverkusen as i follow them a lot :(
+1
A main reason why I think he'll take little time to adapt (1 season) is because of his previous club. Bayer Leverkusen adopt an even more intense pressing system than Pochettino, and according to my mate (a very keen Bundesliga follower), this lad Son never stops running. He's also one of only four players to score more than 10 goals in the Bundesliga in each of the last 3 seasons (alongside Muller, Reus and Kruse).

Personally, if we can get £15 mill for Lamela from inter, and invest in a DM (Wanyama would be perfect) then I would much rather do that than lose Townsend. I've always been a big supporter of Andros, like I was with Rose when he got a lot of criticism, and also Dembele (our best player so far this season). I think he could come good.

Here's 30 minutes of Son goals!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUeP3RJp8bY
+1
I don't really rate townsend, but you might get your wish, paddy. He's been refusing transfers according to his father and wants to stay on. We're doomed to always have atleast one player to split the camp at all times! :-P

Haha. 7th son! Of a 7th son?!
+2
Say what you will, but in a Townsend vs Lamela fight I always choose Lamela. Both have issues with turning over, but at least Lamela contributes defensively in the press and creatively (he had our second highest count in assists last year, fellas).

Regardless, Son is a great signing for us! Now, get a DM and that's a decent window!
+1
Us Lamela supporters seem to be a dying breed, !fish. Lol.
Lamela over Townsend any day!
+1
Son: “I’ve trained with both feet so I can use them freely. Bold and daring – this is how I like to try to play.” ‪#‎HereComesTheSon‬

Son: “I’m a player who really loves football. I learned the game under my father who was a football coach in my school.

“I’m looking forward to going there & performing for the Spurs fans as soon as possible.”

“The support I get from the fans motivates me more and more.”
+1
I'm impressed by the praise he's got from Ruud van Nistelrooy and Franz Beckenbauer!

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15122/9967961/heung-min-son-to-tottenham-what-you-need-to-know
+2
Slightly alarmed at the fact he still has to do his 2 years military service...
Hopefully he sees more action in our front line than on theirs...!
+1
Nicked this from reddit, James Mcarthur was asked about the best player he's faced :

The quote: "You're not gonna believe me, I
get asked this quite a lot and I say the same person. A lot of people are surprised, but I'd say Mousa Dembele when he was at Fulham. As a midfielder, you can cope with people who pass the ball, but he was a player that when you'd get close he would just run by you. He was so powerful."
Source: https://youtu.be/gIch1sfTwtI?t=2m45s
+2
Year of the Moose!
+1
One of my favourite players at the club. He's already had more shots this season than he did ALL of last season!
+1


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