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Morgan Schneiderlin hands in transfer request at Southampton #SSN
Some sources claim he hasn't. Some sources claim there's a bust up at Southampton between three players.

I'm going to turn into an ostrich.
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Wow... Southampton is going to make a lot of money this year... I hope they stay up in the league though.
Schneiderlin on Twitter:

"6 years of an amazing journey #saintsfc DESTROYED in 1 hour !!!"

Interesting considering my post about:

"Chairman drives up the price of the players, gets support of fans by saying that they're not for sale and claims afterwards that Schneiderlin/Rodriguez forced through a move. Everyone's a winner!"

Maybe the Chairman and Schneiderlin are in league with eachother! hmmmmm

And no hard feelings Mag. On first reading of your post it seemed like a personal attack but now it seems like a childish overreaction on my part. Guess I was angry at the Morgan move seemingly falling through :)

Peace
I hope it does fall through
It happens bud. There have been times where I have put the term "overreacted" to shame. I respect your opinions, and I like reading your posts. We both want the same thing for the club, even if we have different viewpoints on how the route to that ought to be taken. Let's not dwell too much on this :)

Infact, I'm with you on the Schneiderlin front. I just hope he doesn't ruin it all by not training. He'd be terrific, and I know why you're as excited as you are. He'll probably throw in a transfer request to try and manufacture a move. Doing that and keeping his head down and training hard is the only way to move forward in a positive fashion imo.
You know if we were to get him now we are going to have to spend 30mil on him,so you guys are for this??
30mil! haha I'm sorry but I can't see us splashing that much. Sandro's sale will help soften the blow, I'm sure there will be plenty more departures as well before the transfer window closes. Now 30mil + Rodriguez and you've got a deal!
Where in the world did you get this sum from, Rogue? The only time any number's been mentioned is when their CEO came up to say he'll cost more than Shaw. There is no inclination that we've bid anywhere close to that amount. There were a billion articles last year about Bale costing over 100 million. Does't mean RM bid that amount :P

The amount will be nearer to the 20 million mark. And yes, I pulled that number out from my backside :D
"when harry says its done, its done" is what Paddy says about theboyhotspur. And out comes the Southampton CEO claiming there is no deal and that the players are set to stay. Makes you wonder about just how good that other website is, eh? If we signed every player he's claimed we have, we'd have a squad strength of 75.

People want website traffic. And they write rubbish generated stories to generate it. What more ways to generate traffic than confirming? If it comes good, then say "I said so". If it doesn't, throw the blame on Levy with an "itk/source at the lane" claiming that Levy didn't want to spend so much. People toss the blame on Levy/Poch through heresay, and the website (this website, or daily fail, or whatever you want to put in here) doesn't lose credibility for spreading sensationalist garbage.

It is fun to speculate. It is good to question the squad and see how we can improve as a team. It is great to debate on what a player brings to the team. But fellas, don't take these guys and itk as gospel. They have no idea and pull stuff out of their backsides to make a living. Giving into their sales pitch will make us resentful for no reason whatsoever. Looking forward to the celtic game :D

COYFS!
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Calm down mag. If it happens, it happens. ;)
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Harry pisses me off sometimes but usually when he says something is done, it tends to happen. The chairman could just be trying to get as much out of the deal as possible.
We'll see what happens. I honestly can't believe we're in for J-Rod, but I'd take Morgan in a heartbeat.

But, still, can we have a new CB? Pretty plz? :D
Tweeted from @SchneiderlinMo4 (Morgan Schneiderlin's official Twitter):

"6 years of an amazing journey #saintsfc DESTROYED in 1 hour !!!"

Wow. Sounds like he'll be agitating for a move.
That escalated quickly.

*This was supposed to be below Paddy's comment. #Footytube'd.
The Guardian.com
SkySports.com
BBC.com
PressAssociation.com

All of these reported that the deals were close to being completed, BBC went as far as saying that the Rodriguez deal was completed after the Toronto match. That means Mag, that this is not just DailyMail, Mirror and Goal.com rubbish. This is news from the most trusted websites, which only means that the deals have fallen through for some reason or another. Talks did take place between the two clubs, is what I'm trying to say.


I'm extremely confused to be honest. I'm also angry, especially if we miss out on Scheiderlin. But the belittling of my post isn't greatly appreciated Mag, I have never seen such confidence by so many reliable sources, for it to fall through (which is why i was so excited).

Looking at it from the hopeful approach that so angers Mag, how about this.
Chairman drives up the price of the players, gets support of fans by saying that they're not for sale and claims afterwards that Schneiderlin/Rodriguez forced through a move. Everyone's a winner!

COYS
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@isnotfish: s**t just got real lol, can't blame him to be honest with what has been going on at their club. They can keep Jay but let us have Morgan.
@Paddy: Agreed. Too many sources to ignore its legitimacy. I think Saints chairman even acknowledged that the officials from 2 clubs met in Toronto.

Boy! Oh boy! That tweet. Wonder what Mag thinks. :P
I can see the reasons though. They just let go 5 players to fulfil their 'dream' and he is being 'rewarded' for his wonderful performances right now.
Why are people excited for us to sign Morgan?granted I've always rated Rodriguez and would love get him at the right price,I even said I wanted us to sign him when he was at burnley if you have the patience to check back.but why Morgan?our midfield has much better players,much more potential and they are building chemistry,why bring in a guy who came up from league 1 with Southampton for £27m?was anyone saying that when he did well in the championship!
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The amount of defensive replies and "calm down"s and personal attack oriented responses confuses the heck out of me. The only time I took Paddy's name was to quote the source of where it happened. All I ever said that might even be directed towards paddy was "don't trust that guy, he'll be in a divide and rule policy". Positive approach that angers me? Belittling posts? lol. The only person I slam and will continue to slam is that website and those who write those articles. The rest of "belittling" is in your heads. I have no intention of doing so, and will not do so.

A whole bunch of articles have been mentioned. Yes. But have you guys never seen a scenario where one news generates so much traffic that others jump onto the bandwagon? Even in the Guardian's article, there was almost next to nothing to report about Jay Rod and Schneiderlin. 3/4th the article was about Chambers!

The interest is more than likely true. I have mentioned that I have no qualms with the discussions. I've taken part in a majority myself. To look at it in any personal sleight is twisting my words to suit your viewpoint. But simply because the interest is true, it does not excuse the article's existence of "deal done!". No. The deal is not done. A bid was made. The player was ready to discuss it further. The chairman said no. The article is rubbish, and as I mentioned, the article gets a clean billing of health by "positive stance" from "he says it is done".

I am completely calm and actually laughing a little at how the OP was interpreted. For once, I'm not going to apologize... It'd be like apologizing for a red card where I won the tackle! :P Rose vs City nightmare start, anyone?

@Rogue: Morgan is a terrific player. I have no questions about that. He's actually an upgrade on all of our midfielders. As much as it pains me to say it, he's an upgrade on even Sandro, considering how much Sandro has lost ground due to injury.
You know, I'm actually much more excited by Morgan that J-Rod. I know we have a full midfield, but if we look at individual performances last year, who actually thrived? Those who we should expect to rely on (Dembele/Sandro/Paulinho/Capoue) were all either out injured or wholly uninspiring all season. Well, to be fair to Sandro/Capoue, Sherwood was a Mastermind who didn't believe in DM's...

Still, Schneiderlin led the league in interceptions last season, and had 0 (0!) defensive errors. That's an insane statistic. I know our midfield wasn't exactly set up for success last year, but for all appearances he's an upgrade on everything we have in the center, know's Poochy and the system, and hell he even know's french!

(here's a link to a statistical comparison between the Beast and MoSchno: http://eplindex.com/56742/stats-comparison-morgan-schneiderlin-sandro.html)
It's also telling that, of all the talent that Poochy could have brought from Soton (he could have reached out to any of them as soon as he left), he goes for the heart of his midfield.

I have faith in our midfild, and I think that MoPo could maximize their potential, but it would be great to give him the tools he wants to succeed.

For the record, I still think our priority should be CB. I also think that Capoue will thrive in our quick pressing/aggressive passing mode we're looking to play. I love Sandro, but I'm worried both about his fitness and his first touch.

We'll see! This is turning into a drama. Schneiderlin has every right to be upset with Soton after the manager said anyone who wants to go can go, seeing all of his friends get the deals the want, the manager leave, the chairman leave...would you want to stay at your job after all of that?
Honestly,with the stadium coming and us needing to save the money,I am 100% against this move,it simply isn't needed,il going to ne si pissed off id wé get him
@MAg: I dont know about the rest but my calm down was for you to stop reading papers. You seemed half pissed that you fell for it. Nothing to do with Paddy's link. 2 different comments might have confused it a bit. :D


And as far references to you and Schneiderlin tweets go, I am sure it was because you absolutely detest signing players who force their way out. Just wanted to know what your response is to the tweet and how less excited you're w.r.to the move now.


Totally agreed on the paper talk though. I usually wait till it is on the official site but this looked a reai possibility. Things aren't as close as they seemed to be.
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I am not happy with his outburst. It is yet to be seen if he's going to start being a twat and stop training to force a way out. I won't be making assumptions till it happens :P

And my stance has always been the same with regards to signing players. I don't even open those links from that particular site. I don't fall for any website. I've been optimistic about Greizmann, but not really anyone else. I've played along about Rodriguez and Schneiderlin, but frankly, I'd much rather we focus on a CB. I'm willing to trust Poch if we were to sell some player to bring in Schneiderlin, but I ain't considering him one of our players yet. Even now, I'm having chats on skype about how I think it'll happen in the winter.
WHR how can you say it simply isn't needed!? we had one of the leakiest defences last season. Signing a good CB imo is vital as Mag has just pointed out but what's just as vital is signing a solid CDM who can come in and provide that protection in front of the back four. Scheiderlin would add so much value to the current squad, he's played under Poch before, he's played under the new system before and he's played extremely well in it.
Because sandro was put for a lot of it,we changed our system numerous times,the players haven't played Well but will.
How can any of you want us to sign him for £28m,we thought buying our striker for that was ridiculous,now a holding player we don't need for it?it's just not viable with the structure we need to set out with the new stadium and payment.we still have bentaleb,dembele,sandro,paulinho and some more that could suit this system,it's just a joke to suggest we need him
I have a hard time blaming MoSchno for being upset, after the chairman/manager/half of his team are allowed to leave that he's told he must stay, when a more ambitious club comes knocking. I don't think that Tottenham has conducted our recruitment methods in an unbecoming way (like Real or Barca do), nor am I saying that "smaller" clubs need to bow down to "bigger" ones.

I just can't blame Schneiderlin for not wanting to stay, when clearly the club is looking to be a disaster this season. Could he have been quieter about it? Sure. We have no idea, however, how much information has been passed between club management and his reps. He could have been told he was free to negotiate with THFC (we usually don't talk to players without consent) and then be shocked to hear the chairman saying there was no way he was leaving. That would upset me too.

Moral of the story, we don't know enough. It's the same argument as Jan being "petulant" or "unhappy" or "having poor body language" ; the player was in a shitty situation for and he responded.

Also, yer all special :D
+1
The numbers are really just quoted once by the chairman. It doesn't mean we've actually bid 28 million :P I wouldn't want him at that price either. Let's give Levy a bit more credit than that, eh? :P


@Notfish: Special? lol. Is that a drunken rant, bud? :D
I'm sure Levy knows what he's doing WHR
He knew what he was doing when he bought soldado for 28mil??I want him out anyway,he's just a joke.
I didn't see anyone here last season saying that schneiderlin is immense and worth more than kheidera and kroos..
I'm confident Soldado will come good, he's looked good in pre season so far. Levy will knock out a good price for him, the situation has changed from last season. Obviously Poch is the manager now and it's important that we get him the players he wants, Scheiderlin would help implement the pressing and passing style on the pitch. He wouldn't need to be trained or taught he could come straight and do a job for us. I agree with your point spending a lot on Soldado, Baldini basically went on a shopping spree. But surely then you must understand that now we're head hunting players properly with a strategy, which is what we should've done last season but we didn't hence why AVB is gone (imo because he didn't get the players HE wanted) Surely you see logic in that?
Back to square 1 about Lamela and Soldado fees. And comparing Kroos's fee (with a one year contract) to Schneiderlin is just out of this world. The best part is that we don't even have a number to go by! This is turning into a never ending discussion, so I'll show myself out.
listening to talksport and Southampton chairman came on and confirmed jay and morg will not be leaving the saints!! I don't mind jay not coming but I wanted morg to come to the lane.... Lets see what happens.
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I am getting worried about all these Schneiderlin + Rodrigez rumours.

After extensive reading (of opinions in this forum) and several online articles about Scheiderlin; as I did not pay enough attention to him myself last season, I have been persuaded that this is indeed a good purchase. But will definitely be to the detriment of Capoue and Sandro, most likely Sandro; whom I love for his passion and support for Spurs but is hampered by injuries and has been unable to get a good full season behind him.

But Rodrigez I cannot get my head around. He is british; yes, talented; yes, young (ish); yes, had a good season last year; yes. Seems to tick all the boxes, except that he is injured...
We buy him now and he gets his fitness back and doesn't get his form back until next season. What then? Whether or not he is talented or has potential, he is not worth the price or the hassle at the moment if he is still out with his knee injury. If it was an ankle sprain, different story, but you can never tell with ACL injuries, he could have a set-back and not return until mid 2015. And when he does return he might take another year to get his form back.

Get Schneiderlin as Pochetino will be able to utilise him to his full potential and will have no problem fitting into the team or the league. But save the money on Rodrigez please... I'd rather we give Townsend the chance until the Winter window to prove himself. And jst to be clear, I detest the hype surrounding Townsend and his "I'm the next Bale, let me run and shoot at every opportunity" attitude. But that is just how much I do not want Rodrigez this summer.

If these deals do get pulled off, then I hope Poch, and especially the medical staff, know what they are doing and get Rodrigez up and running as quickly as possible.
No need to be worried apparently all these rumours are false anyway. Schneiderlin was just growing on me as well.

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2014/7/29/5948301/jay-rodriguez-tottenham-hotspur-transfer-rumours

Unless their chairman is trying to play the haggling game with Levy, in which case he better be prepared to keep playing till September 1st lol
That's why I decided to make my post quickly whilst at work, before all the rumours got shot down and I missed out on an opportunity to contribute. HA!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9399286/premier-league-southamptons-chairman-says-jay-rodriguez-and-morgan-schneiderlin-will-stay

"Schneiderlin was just growing on me as well." Agree with you there mate :P
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/07/29/4990742/-?

First Goal.com article that is a really good read, that I've seen in a long time. Good comparisons between Rodriguez, Schneiderlin and our current team.
Walker Kaboom verts Davies
schniederlin Eriksen
lennon soldaldo lamella
Adey

I honestly think sold should play as a number 10 for his all round play!!! (bit like (vdv) been saying it for ages..
No way! Lamela should occupy that number 10 role, I'm confident come the start of the season that's where he'll play. With Eriksen and Lennon occupying the positions either side of him.
I get what you mean but soldaldo`s all round play is fantastic and I believe more effective than lamela in that position. Maybe when lamela gets a full season under his belt he can play as a 10 but I rly think soldaldo would do well in that position.
--------------------------Lloris--------------------------
-Walker----------Kaboul-------------Verty-----------Davies
-----------------Schneid------Capoue----------------------
-Lamela----------------Eriksen-----------Lennon/Rodriguez
--------------------Soldado/Adebayor------------------------

Subs: Vorm, Chiriches, Holtby, Sandro, Townsend, Soldado/Ade, Lennon/Rodriguez

-------------------------Vorm---------------------------
-Naughton---------Capoue---------Chiriches-----------Rose
-----------------Sandro----------Dembele-----------------
-Townsend----------------Holtby---------------------Chadli
---------------------Soldado/Ade--------------------------

Subs: Soldado/Ade, Lloris, Kaboul, Eriksen, Kane, Lamela, Lennon

The depth is incredible, but the new-found importance of Europa requires this number of players (not to mention the domestic cups).

Thoughts? Take these formations with a pinch of salt, as we're slightly blind at this point as to which players work better in Poch's system.
I still maintain Lamela needs to be played through the middle, behind Ade or Soldado. Lamela will be our Lallana effectively imo
Just to reiterate Kalopsia's point, Lamela is actually a #10 played out of position at RW.


But honestly? The formation is so fluid, it is moot point where the 3 behind the striker play. They've got to be able to play a bit in all three positions, and even ST a little. If anything, I'm worried about Eriksen this season.
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Lloris
Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Davies
Schniederlin Holtby
Lamela Eriksen Rodriguez
Soldado

COYS!
Dembelé for Holtby.
Seems very underrated in this forum
has Lamela been involved in pre-season much? Do you think he'll be a regular first teamer/starter this coming season?
He's looked very sharp, as long as he keeps working hard I don't see why not :) I'd play him in behind the striker though instead of Eriksen.
It's his pressing that's so crucial for this system to work imo, watch that first half of the Toronto game and watch his work rate off the ball. Closing players down ahead of the midfield. .
I think Dembele has started to frustrate Andy. His dribbling skills and strength are fantastic, but his passing is slightly limited, he rarely looks for a 1-2 after passing and he seems hesitant to shoot. I would love to see Poch develop him into an absolute beast, but he needs to prove himself before starting over Holtby.
Thing is Dembelé had those attributes before coming here, and if it was irritating AVB he didn't show it, as he played all the time for him. Maybe it was just not allowed under that system.
His tackling and beating players seems so easy to him and he carries the ball for us a lot, easing pressure on the others. That is similar to what modric did exceptionally for us, and is very important Imo.
Dembelé has proven a great deal more in a spurs shirt than Holtby.
In all honesty all we've learned about Lewis since he joined is that he linked up well with defoe against weak European opposition, and that both managers he's had here haven't been that impressed with him.
Fantastic spectacle match when we beat Southampton away last season 3-2. Great to see their dominant pressing style but also our sturdy resilience and counter-attacks.

Also features Rodriguez and Schneiderlin (I'm currently playing 'spot the mistake' with the latter)

Also shows Bentaleb's debut, Adebayor's revival under Sherwood and some fantastic play by Lallana and Chambers (regrettably Arsenal's new Right-Back).

Rodriguez is kept quiet by Walker all match (the latter has a great game) so its not the greatest indicator of Rodriguez's talents.

http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/england/premier-league/southampton-vs-tottenham-hotspur
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Haha! Let me know Paddy when you find some.
Was just going through his stats. He looks like the direct Sandro replacement. A fitter player though, which could be the key factor.
http://theboyhotspur.com/morgan-schneiderlin-done/?

When Harry says its done, its done. I am thrilled. I can't wait to see him in a lilywhite shirt, a guy I've been raving about for a couple of years, but at the same not wanting the other big teams to notice him too much.

I'm convinced he's a class above not only our DMs, but above most (if not all) in the league.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/28/southampton-morgan-schneiderlin-jay-rodriguez-tottenham?
This is an odd bit of business, but I like what MoPo has been doing. He must have plans to dismiss a flock of our CM's...there's just no way we can support all of them.

Dembele
Paulinho
Sandro
Holtby
Capoue
Bentelab
Mason
Carroll
Schneiderlin

Who stays and who goes?
Just do a Chelsea and send em out on loan lol


I will argue that Paulinho doesn't fit into Pochettino's system. His fitness was one of the worst in our team last term and his attitude was temperemental. He will most likely be sold.

I really hope Dembele stays. His potential is incredible, and I just hope that Pochettino can get the most out of him.

2/3 of Bentaleb, Carroll and Mason should get a loan, depending on who MoPo sees as most useful for the upcoming season.

Therefore, we're left with Dembele, Sandro, Capoue and Holtby battling it out for two positions (although I believe that Holtby should be played higher up the pitch from time to time). That is healthy competition in my eyes, and required quality for a PL top team.

Over the past two seasons, Schneiderlin made more interceptions - 208 - and tackles - 259 - than any other player in the Premier League.

He also made NO defensive errors last season. None!
I disagree on Paulinho's fitness. He is fitter than Sandro and Dembele combined. He had played constantly with no breaks for 2 years at a stretch. There were bound to be effects of it on his body. It's an altogether different question whether we signed a good player who is going through a bad patch currently, or we signed a bad player who was going through a good patch last season or 2.
Based on his career so far, the jury is out on that.

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Suraj, he has been blessed with almost no injuries, whereas Sandro and Dembele have been plagued with them. When Sandro and Dembele are on the pitch, in my opinion they run twice as fast as him.

With regards to his general form, I wasn't impressed with Paulinho's play (which I watched a lot of) in the Confederations cup in 2013 (before we bought him) or the World Cup recently. He failed to manage the pace of European football when he went to Poland and Lithuania, and in my opinion, English football hasn't been much difference.

We see his runs into the box, looking for the cross, but we fail to notice the huge gaps that he leaves while doing this. I think his passing is fairly average, although I will say his positioning and set-play threat is fantastic.

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You don't see too many players get sold after one season, I agree with Paddy in regards to Schneiderlin, I think he's a class above what we currently have. I'm like Paddy as well I've wanted us to sign this guy for a while now (expecting one of the bigger clubs to snatch him up) He'd be a huge signing. I'm also interested to see how Bentaleb progresses under Poch. I have to say I think Sando's gone. .
Ben Smith BBC - "My understanding is that Jay Rodriguez has already agreed terms with Spurs after the clubs met in Toronto last week".
You weren't impressed in Confed cup in 2013? I wonder how he managed to win the 3rd best player of the tournament award then. :P

I was genuinely impressed and worried Chelsea might actually hijack the deal.

I am not questioning he was awful, just questioning who has been fitter.

Injuries take time to recover and so does Fatigue. A fully fit guy playing for 2 years in a row with little or no breaks is bound to look lethargic at times.

Comparing 2 players who were used sparingly to someone who played non-stop? Who is likely to look fresher?
I wasn't impressed with his midfield play Suraj. He scored vital goals for Brazil, which won him the 3rd prize, but I didn't see the sort of quick-thinking and fast passing that's required for the PL.

"A fully fit guy playing for 2 years in a row with little or no breaks is bound to look lethargic at times".
I don't see where you're going with this. How many players play for 2 years in a row with little to no breaks? Countless.

There's a slight self-contradiction in your last couple of paragraphs Suraj mate :)
By 2 years in a row, you didn't get what I meant I suppose. He wasn't coming off the back of a traditional may to august rest. The Brazilian calendar has no breaks in may, like Europe. He was playing week-in, week-out in Brazil then the confed then here. Where was the recuperating period? For the 1st month or 2, commentators wouldn't stop raving about his ability to cover ground. I wonder why? I don't think he has contributed much to the play(apart from when he played off Soldado) from a deeper position but him not being fit doesn't seem to be the case.

Post january, he himself admitted he was at times playing with 1 eye on the world cup(which is poor IMO). Maybe, that's why he might have done a Danny Rose at times.
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All that being said, if Pauly is going to be in the squad I hope he starts to contribute. Whatever the circumstances, he's been amiss so far in my eyes.


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