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Did April 1st come late? Allegri? :|

And is Sherwood contractually obliged to say one good thing and one bad thing per press conference? He basically threw all the pressure back on Lamela instead of easing some of his worries.

*sigh* Hope the game is going to be better than the press conference, and hope you guys can make it on tinychat to this one as well!
ALLEGRI? FML
What about Allegri? and what did TS say about Lamela?
Never mind, I just read it. Ahhh TS... I think you are right Magnus... I think he is contractually signed to do that.
How good has Puncheon been playing lately for Palace! wouldn't mind us putting in a sneaky bid for him in the summer. .
He's an amazing player, but I wouldn't want to have him in our squad to be honest. Simply because our midfield is already packed asf :P
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Just don't ask him to take penalties.
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Haha! ofcorse!
Beast
http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4311143/madridgoal.gif
You guys owe us for the 50% discount on Bale.
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Who's gonna be here on Saturday?

Holtby isn't allowed to play right?
No loanee can play their parent club
4:45 AM local kickoff means only if we were playing for the title in the last match of the season. I'll probably stay away, then watch it later in the weekend.
Seems like coutois will be playing against the chavs though kalo
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So I've been thinking about who our back 4 will be next season. Pretty much the only position we have sorted for sure is at right back with Walker. Other than that I really have no idea who will be the other 3 in our starting back 4.

Kaboul: After this season he will only have one more year left on his contract. I can't see Kaboul playing out his contract as Levy will either want to resign him or cash in on the player. The decision as to which will most likely come down to the input of the new manager early in his reign.

He was our best defender before he spent a season out injured and since then he has not been able to recapture anything like his previous form. Not only that but he has not been quite susceptible to little injuries throughout this season. As much as I am a Kaboul fan I do think he could well be on his way during the next window.

Vert: it's pretty clear the player is unhappy and some would say he has been agitating for a move through the media. He still has 2 or 3 years left on his contract so could command a fee upwards of 20mil. There are few clubs around that would pay that much for a defender and his main link Barca is now under a transfer ban.

Personally I think Jans biggest issue is playing under Sherwood. He never made a peep to the media before Tim arrival then almost immediately had a spat with him through media interviews. If a new manager like LVG or De Boer was to come in I can see Vert wanting to stay and in fact being reinvigorated by it.

Rose: In my opinion making Rose our starting left back was a calculated risk at the start of the season. Not signing a back up left back was a stupid risk. Not signing a left back in Jan was a perplexing risk. Not signing a left back next season would be a disastrous risk and not a risk I can see any quality manager taking. I think a left back is just as, if not more important than signing a striker this coming window. Rose may want to stay and fight for his place or he may want to leave. I expect he will stay and fight for his place unless we sign a big name like Shaw... which is never gonna happen!!!

After those guys we get our back up back four.

Naughton: He has been vilified by fans a bit this season and I think its been a bit unfair. He is not a natural left back and his constantly being played out of position combined with our lack of defensive support on the left side has made his job very difficult. He is a better player when played on the right and I think he is a capable if not exceptional back up for Walker. I would keep him next season if I could. He would be second choice right back and third choice left back meaning Vert would never need to play on the left either.

Dawson: He is our club captain and all Spurs fans have a soft spot for him. That being said every Spurs fan would agree that he doesn't have the pace to play in a high line and is often a our main liability when we push our line that far up the pitch. He also lacks the technical ability to play a possession passing game out of defense. He naturally likes to punt the long ball to a taller player on the pitch initiating a counter attack, which is a throw back to our old Harry days.

All that being said i don't think Dawson will go anywhere. Our team is in dire need of leaders at the club. A player like Dawson would be invaluable to a new manager in what is obviously a very delicate dressing room. Whoever comes in will need to identify this and even if he doesn't keep Daws as our captain, a smart manager would use him as a back up in games and as a leader in training.

Chiriches: Vlad is another guy who cops a fair bit of flack and after the game against West Brom its hard for me to defend him... but not impossible. Everyone talks about how it takes time to adjust to a new league. I would say that Vlad had arguably the hardest transition of any of our players to make. He doesn't speak english and is making the biggest step up in league quality. That doesn't make up for him being exploited for pace in the last game but I do firmly believe he will be leaps and bounds a better player next season. Ivanovic took his time adjusting and eventually turned into arguably the best right back in the league.

Fryers: I'm not convinced about young Zeki. I don't like him at all at left back for many many reason and believe he would be best developed as a ball playing left sided central defender in the future. In training I would tell him to just shadow Vert and just copy everything that he does from after he gets changed, to how he walks off the pitch.

Next season if Rose does stay then i expect Zeki will be shipped out on loan. I expect a loan deal would be best for him and the club next season in terms of giving him the game time needed to develop. I certainly don't want him playing too many games for Spurs in any position at his current level of ability.

All in all is pretty hard to say for sure who our starting back 4 will be next season but I would not be surprised to see two big changes back there. If it was up to you who would you keep in your starting back 4 next season?
Pretty much agree with most you just said, I read an article the other day saying Kaboul's contract is up this season though and Vlad speaks almost perfect English. I also think Zeki looks ok when hes been played a CB.
Amid lots of talk about the need for stability and next season will allow a core group to grow I have also thought of our defensive unit, and the uncertainty around them!
Walker is the only dead lock for next season from the "ideal 4"

Kaboul: He has been decent enough, but not great, and always an injury risk........ as you said that is a major decision for our manager before next season. While I would love to see him recapture form I don't think he will, but he is good enough to be in the team still if his wages are acceptable

Jan: Obviously lost passion for the sport/ the club or both. I agree if a guy like LVG came he would probably be re invigorated, but he has made enough noise in the media that teams like Man City, Barca, even PSG will probably be looking at him. I would say there is a 60% chance of him staying

Rose: Clearly was not as prepared as we thought he was. As you say and as we are all saying this position needs to be filled. Right now he is a Patrice Evra minus the technical ability. I want him to stay and fight for the position but I also want a proven PL player to be brought in to compete with him.

Naughton: I agree with everything you said. Other than Vert being our second choice LB (would rather see Fryers there if the cost is losing Vert's passion for the game)

Dawson: Agree again. Although I am unsure how much respect the lads have for him anymore. Remember the game he came on recently and Kaboul was wearing the armband? Any other team the club captain enters the pitch he would immediately receive the armband, but Kaboul didn't give it to him and that for me speaks volumes. . . . . .
A back up now for us, nothing more.

Vlad: Fair points in league quality difference, adjustments etc. I think he has been good so far this year honestly, we haven't seen very much of him though! He has shown a bit of flair and skill which can be scary at his position on the field as any mistake is punished.

One thing I like about keeping him is that I believe he is versatile, although we haven't seen him in the full back position I think his game would be well on either side.

Fryers: i think he has done well with his chances. I also agree (coinciding with our club's youth strategy) that a loan to get regular playing time would be beneficial, ONLY if he is PLAYING lol. One of my concerns is that we may not have enough cover at his positions to do that! Kind of like loaning BAE and leaving a big ? behind Rose in the depth chart

I'll add BAE as he is technically our player still
BAE: Can't say I really want him back........ Silky player on the ball, paired well with Bale ..... but just not gritty enough for me to want him in the back line of my team...... It is the little things about his game that really, really bother me. Not sprinting in recovery when the ball gets behind us, especially if the attack is on the right, his vibe is "I'm not the one being scored on, that other guy is"
That is simply not something I want in a defender, and I would hope we bring a player better than him anyway leaving him useless to us,assuming Rose stays.


So back four: New signing?---Vert--Kaboul/New signing--Walker
*sigh* so much for season of stability

@bwfyid. Yeah it was a popular rumor that Kaboul's contract ends this window but it was a lie. Still has one more year left after this season. Also I think you are right about Vlad. I thought he couldn't speak english but I may have got him mixed up with someone else.

@Frank. I forgot about BAE. Its hard to predict what the new manager will do with BAE. We certainly need a left back or two... but Benny's performances in the championship this season will have convinced no one that he is still premier league quality. He also will have one final year in his contract after his loan to QPR. I doubt Benny will get a new contract at Spurs so I would have expect Levy to try and cash out on Benny this window.
I would even consider Fredericks to be honest, while I don't think he is ready to be in our squad for a full season, he did well in the Europa games he played
He's certainly got pace which he showed in the Europa games. I don't think he had to do to much defending tho. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i51iX1ZO9cw&t=0m24s

lol
Gotta love Steffen lol
So now Lamela won't even show up for the signing session at the Spurs Shop this afternoon. He has instead been replaced by Harry Kane.
I swear... is lamela even alive anymore?
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He was only an illusion...
A damn expensive one.
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You'd best have a replacement manager with the ability to play technical football before Lamela ends up being sold. You'll be kicking yourselves if he is sold before a manager who could actually use him comes in.
Italian media now reporting that Massimilano Allegri will be our next manager. Guess we can assume that they're just as speculative as the English media..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1bdixs4xqew

This will make you cry!

COYS!
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Cheers LeDerp! man we need a rock in defense again. .
True Spurs legend! Would have loved to be at the Lane for his testimonial.
Bellamy appealing for penalty at 2:10 haha. Wankr.
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AHHHH!!! LeDerp and Kalopsia!!! you just had to pull at my heart strings with this video, didn't you!

We need to turn ledley into a youth coach, so he can teach the future kids how to defend with such grace.
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Anybody followed Iago Falque's progress at Rayo Vallecano? I've been hearing he's been looking quite sharp, scored some goals too. .
I've had to cover a few games of him at work and he has looked good when I have seen him play. Plays usually on the right, cuts in and creates danger.

Of all our loan players though, Pritchard has been the one that has stood out the most for me, potential with that one is huge.
What about Carrol Bwfyid? is he doing good at QPR?
He starts for them and wears the number 10 but to be honest I havnt covered too many QPR games. They will be playing in the playoffs and we will get to look at him in a few big games there though.

http://www.squawka.com/news/2014/04/14/84-pass-success-how-this-elegant-spurs-gem-tormented-nottingham-forest/2014041496362

Got a good review this weekend
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I like Tommy. His movement reminds me of Luka. He should be around to be playing in the EL and cup games for us. I'd love to see what he can do two years down the line.
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Given he has chances in our already stuffed midfield.
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Considering Holtby isn't getting a look in... *sigh*

Always have to be the voice of reason, eh T'Challa? Can't let me have my idle fancy? :P
Hahaha, I take no pride or pleasure in it :)
I still can't believe we sent Holtby out on loan, madness!
I think Capoue is gone over the summer, he's gotta be really pissed (and who can blame him) about how he's just been totally frozen out. I feel like one of Paulinho or Dembele will be sold too. Dembele is way too injury prone, he still seems like he has a hip issue (didn't he get surgery for it last season?) and I don't feel he brings enough to the team. Paulinho has shown flashes of brilliance but seems a very mediocre player at this point.
Or let's hope we get to see this squad in the hands of a real class manager, who knows how to manage. We'll probably lose a couple of players and get in a couple but other than that we'll probably see very much the same squad. Plus our recalls like Holtby, Carroll, Livermore and Falque may or may not be part of the squad.
Where do you work Bwfyid?
I get paid to watch football, stats and stuff. pays the bills while I study
Damn! you've got the coolest job ever... I need to quit my job and do that...
Wow Bwfyid that sounds like a great job. You have to record passes etc then?
Na that's more Opta, we more record danger creation and stuff
That sounds so much better than the sales job i had when i was at uni!! Good work Bwf!!
This Levy hunt after every game is getting ridiculous. I am going to be completely honest about a couple of things.

1) I wasn't shocked when AVB was sacked. Infact, I wasn't even disappointed. It wasn't because of the tactics, or the hammerings. He was sacked because he lost both the dressing room and the crowd. Think about the behaviour of our fans this season: Some of the most downright disgusting booing even in the first 20 minutes of the game. It effects the team, and our lads played better away from home than at home. Even the stats proved it. Players wanted to play away from home. It isn't one person at fault for this nonsense. We, as fans, are as much a part of the problem as Lewis, Levy, AVB, Sherwood and the players.

2) I did say it wasn't because of the tactics, but they did play a part in losing the dressing room. We didn't sign a LB. We offered, and AVB rejected the chance of signing an LB. Sherwood rejected the same chances of signing a LB and a striker after Defoe got sold. And sent out Holtby to boot. And who's playing at CM now? Chad-f*****g-li. Sticking to the point, AVB played a horrendous system of inside forwards that slowed our game down immensely. From being a team that had brilliant passers in the form of Huddlestone, Modric and Carrick over the years, we've now got to contend with the passing of Paulinho and Dembele. It just is not the same. And we slowed the game right down by taking pace off the wings and encouraging ridiculous shots from range. Playing Siggs - Soldado - Townsend, and Chadli - Defoe - Lamela was the blunder AVB made. He did bring it upon himself, and refused to change.

3) Our top earner couldn't be moved. And AVB refused to back out of his position. We're not a club that can afford this. And we sent out an experienced BAE and brought in an inexperienced and inept Rose as a replacement. These were sanctioned by AVB.

4) He destroyed Vertonghen and his love for the club by playing him at LB. He went from SuperJan to "I don't give a f**k" in a few months. And then, there's the high line while playing Dawson...

People are smashing down Levy for the mistakes AVB made. He made as many mistakes as he did good, if not more. AVB was in my view, rightly sacked. Where Levy f****d up, was putting his faith in an inexperienced manager in Sherwood. He overestimated Sherwood by a mile, and we're now playing a season where despite the points scored, we've ended up with a result where the season was an utter disaster. We NEEDED CL. We won't get it. Players will leave. The season of transition starts all over again. That is the f**k up.

To those comparing Liverpool and our Situation, give me a break. Liverpool played good football even when they lost. We've played s**t football even when we won. The crowd at Liverpool were a hell of a lot classier than we were. Wake up and look at the results of our own doing.


Sherwood's ability to play Chadli as a CM while playing a CM like Eriksen out at LM is something that baffles me continuously. People have smashed Rose's display, and Vlad's display last game. Yet, no one seems quite that bothered by the fact that Eriksen (who was brilliant yet again offensively), kept roaming all over the pitch, and no one slotted out wide to help Rose in defensive duties. One long lofted pass is all it took to slaughter our defense. Chadli cannot defend, and Paulinho is a B2B. There was no Sandro or Dembele to help defend from midfield either.

This is schoolboy manager stuff with tactical errors. I seriously hope people aren't brushing this under the rug and forgetting it. Because Sherwood's tactics make AVB's look like gold.
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I completely disagree about what you've said about our fans Mag to be honest, I think they've been fantastic especially considering some of the hidings we've been given this season. How you can even suggest that the fans are part of the problem is ridiculous. Other than that your spot on!
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Fans have been great in recent times, but I'm talking about our attitude before the winter window, and even through that. It sparked enough of an annoyance in AVB to call out the fans for their lack of support. The first 15 games or so, way before the thrashing of Liverpool is when I was referring to.
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@mag:

on avb: agreed, deserved the sack, he is no leader of men for me, he lost the fans and left out our best striker ffs. dumb tactics too, inverted wingers with soldado, great stuff.

on levy: agreed apart from handing Sherwood the reigns, who else was there? Hoddle? I dunno.

on fans: agreed, I have been disgusted with a some of them in the ground and even on this site, moaning and groaning and insulting left right and centre is no definition of support for me and AVB rightly called them out. There are only a select few though, I would say we have more good ones than bad ones. Away fans are top notch too, the moaners get stamped out on away trips, aggressively.

on Sherwood: people say his tactics suck yet he has the best win percentage a Tottenham manager has ever had in the prem and he will most probably improve on it before the end of the season. (22 games is a enough to gather data) All this with a team that is not his and being thrown in halfway through the season to a team playing crap football. (oh yes we was lol) Have we lost with Chadli centre mid mag? I remember one 5-1 battering and a 3-3 away, if there has been more please forgive me. He's big and strong and distributes play well imo, the real disappointment for me has been Paulinho.

I'm not sure what more fans want from a manager of our club, maybe I am too interested in numbers but they are what counts for me. Win percentages is the most important one too and he excels in this one compared to other managers we have had and I will say again, he has done this with a team that is not his and came in half way through the season. If he gets over 60% in his premier league win ratio and people are still insulting him I have no idea how I will react lol

All I see is people insulting his character, calling him names (not you mag) like that even matters, results are the key thing here.

If we cannot get LVG, keep Timmy,
The home fans did not help and AVB did not help as well... Pretty much, it was a revolving door of crap. And people had to put their anger and frustration somewhere mags, even if it was misguided on our home turf, on the players... Human nature. I am not defending them, it was bad and very classless... But sadly human nature, especially with after old 'arry did before... :(

And TS tactics are... how can I say this nicely... BAD. Like LeDerp said before... TS would be better for a Championship team. He is not ready for Spurs... His dislike for the CDM is incomprehensible... He still lives in the past which didn't use it and it seems like he is trying to bring it back...

Haha, come on mags, we used to kind of defend AVB. It is understandable though. Looking back at his tenure, he was not the right fit for the Spurs "philosophy". I won't blame Levy for AVB mistakes, but I will hold him accountable for his knee jerk reactions.
@Bwfyid

Numbers are good yes, but you also have to put into account that TS has a high win percentage because he has been at the job for... what, 4-5 months? That high win percentage seems misleading to me. He needs a longer time before that can mean something, and him doing it at Spurs and learning on the job won't help us. Not with the high expectations we have for the club now. Again, TS was put in charge way to early for his own good.
Many of us were excited about AVB at first (myself included), because he had the promise of unfulfilled potential. He looked to be the opposite of Harry- a young tactician, full of ambition, looking to organize the squad and making promises of fast and flowing football.

He wasn't.

Enter Maximum Timpact. He's been destroying his chances at the job by simply not knowing enough- about our players, other teams, tactics OR formations OR where to put players in them.
Honestly, his record flatters to deceive- we've not beaten any (any? Right?) top 4 contenders with TS in charge. Great. With that trend continued we'd be solid top5-7 challengers until the end of time.
I will give him credit for bringing Bentaleb into the team (although why he felt the need to bring in a CM when we are awash with excellent CM's is...dguh...)

I just hope he parts with the club on good terms. He is, after all, the only one who knows where Erik Lamela is buried.
@Black

His numbers are not misleading bro, they are what they are. Tim Sherwood has had a good start to his managerial career with someone else's team. You and everyone else are already judging him without giving him more time so why when it comes to real thing he should be judged on are you saying he needs more time for an accurate judgement?

@Isnotfish: Agreed, we have not beaten any top 4 teams with him in charge, but in two of those game we have had red cards rescinded (right?), Arsenal we was unlucky and played well and against Liverpool we did get taken apart I must agree.
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Oh and on Lamela, some fan found him in a park on Saturday showing off some tricks lol

Lederp put this up please, he shows some real tekkers haha


http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/tottenham-sicknote-erik-lemala-was-filmed-doing-some-brilliant-keepy-uppies-in-a-park-on-saturday-instagram/
That's just Eriksen- TS is just trying to keep the ruse alive (lol).

But seriously, why would we possibly want to keep Tim? Please explain as I don't understand. Look at the absolutely INSANE defensive errors the team has been making lately- has anyone scored a goal that we haven't gifted them in the past 10 games? It's absolutely infuriating. Those types of mistakes are indicative of a team that does not understand their gameplan. The players take some blame for these derps, obviously, but when it happens week after week after week, it makes you ask questions.

Like: What are these guys doing in training?
How are they SUPPOSED to be handling in possession?
Do they know where they need to be when possession is lost?
Do they know how to regain possession?
Do they know where to put the ball if they do regain possession?

All I see is a bunch of very talented footballers winging it, with no plan or idea of what to do both on and off the ball. If Eriksen was out injured, what would our gameplan be?

Not to mindlessly harp on it, but what does Sherwood bring to the table, other than already (sort of) doing the job?
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@isnotfish I hear you man and I realise I am in the minority when it comes to Sherwood. I personally think we are still recovering from the AVB mentality and until Tim he has a Pre season to stamp his mark on the team it will be the same thing.

My positives on Sherwood are:

His win ratio (with avb's team)
He knows the club inside out ( we have some talented youngsters and he rates Pritchard highly, as do I, and this may be one of the main reasons I want him to stay because he will blood him lol)
His passion ( it will get him into trouble and he will say some silly things but I like it )

Also, since the Chelsea rant, Liverpool aside, we have started to show some fight.

Another thing I think I am in the minority in is that our team is not that good lol. We have a few good players but Lloris apart we have no world class players and each of the top four have better teams than us.
@Isnotfish
HAHAHA! Maximum Timpact... I see what you did there :D love it. and true, he must know where Lamela is buried.

@Bwfyid
My reason for judging him is his baffling team selections, and results.

I understand he is the manager and he works with the players and knows better what is going on, but the way he used to pick the team... Like Isnotfish said, I will give him credit for bentaleb introduction, but he shoehorned him into the team for a while and when he should have subbed him out in some games he did not perform in, he left him in... why do that? or not use the kid in a game all together. His dislike (can I say hatred, for it seems that way to me) for the CDM position is out of place. In this day and age, isn't a midfielder who is trained to protect your back four, a good idea? Playing a CM on the wing and a Winger in the center... sure it worked wonders for a few games. But I am of the thought of playing a player in their preferred position to keep them happy and get the best out of them (case and point Vert) and not playing them in positions I prefer, because it "happened to work out".

The results against the bigger teams, the games that mattered and which would make a statement, he didn't get the points from them, he lost. Yes, he got points from smaller or similar teams, but not from the big boys, all those games we have been trounced. His record is below average.

Yes, he should be given time to build and learn and what not. I just do not want to see him doing that with Spurs, not at this point in team, I'd much rather he went to a championship team and get better. He could come back and than manage the team.
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And some of what Isnotfish said as well about tactics and defensive errors. it is like they don't train to defend... just attack...
@Black: I think that is the one thing I cannot argue with, the fact that we have not done well enough against the bigger teams. 2 of the games we have been screwed though to be fair and they have better/more settled teams than us, not sure if you would agree with that.

His baffling tactics and his all out attack mentality I have no problem with.
footytube post warp
x 2
(Ok for some reason footytube does not want my post below yours black so I will leave it here lol)

No worries Black, I am enjoying the discussion.

If we cannot get LVG though, I cannot think of many that I would prefer than Sherwood. People that would be available I mean.
Don't get me wrong Bwfyid, I like TS and I would advocate for him to be our manager... Much later on (with more experience and a better control of his emotions). But for right now, he is not the answer.
Haha, I know, footytube has a mind of its own.

At this point, I just want stability. Be it Sherwood or anyone... I just want some damn stability...
Yeah I agree, that's the one thing that worries me about LVG, the fact that he would probably only be here for a couple of years.
Didn't expect to see a flurry of discussion. Lol. Glad it sparked a bit of a debate. I want us to explore what Sherwood brings to the table, and I've not got my head so high up my own backside to assume I know everything and read the game perfectly :P I'm glad to have views coming in from other angles, and I hope we can take this discussion positively and form our own opinions from there. I'm so far, quite in the anti-Sherwood camp (thank you, Captain Obvious!), and you guys know I'm happiest when I admit that I'm wrong.

I'll start with a response to black about human nature. Humans. Weak and pathetic creatures! They *insert Magneto speech here about humans needing to be cleansed and mutantkind stepping into their place*!. Ahem. But yeah. It is human nature, but it has hindered our team quite a bit. It was something I laughed at Chelsea home support for last season, and I find myself horrified we are in the same class (or lack of class). Away from home, we're great. It is quite sad that the guys over from TFC group (1882) were labelled as troublemakers, when they were the ones who were the loudest support no matter what happened on the pitch.

About AVB, I supported him right down to the game he was sacked. And you sadly weren't on skype, but I can quite easily dig out some of my conversations there. I wasn't shocked or saddened that AVB was sacked. I was sad that he didn't get to finish his project, he was likable enough, but he certainly had the writing on the wall. In hindsight, it is easy to say that we should never have sacked him (like I'm saying now), but that's the benefit of being a fan, isn't it? We get to express our views without any repercussions. Levy takes the brunt of it. Though, I suppose that's what he's paid to do.

Fish, I can't really respond to you, because your views are quite parallel to mine. I feel we both agree with each other in the larger picture.

Byfyid (man, I can't believe we still type out your entire name after all these years!). This is the tough call, isn't it? Who else could it have been? Well, the question is, should we fire a manager if we really don't have an alternative lined up? Tim had no experience, and we put our team and our top 4 (and the immediate future) in the hands and on the shoulders of a man who's passionate about the club, who bleeds for the club, but who ultimately has no media training and no understanding of how to handle the stress a top 4 kind of manager faces. This is where we went wrong as a club. I'm not lashing out at Sherwood for not caring about what happens to the club, but his inexperience which shows in a lot of things.

Here's a small list off the top of my head.

1) We knew we had problems at LB. Rose got injured, and Vert was very annoyed at having had to play LB. Kaboul still kept getting re-injured in January. Instead of calling for defensive reinforcements, he sent out Fredericks on loan. With Europa still in place, having had to visit some tough places on travel, we took it way too easy there. It was bad understanding of his players and the resources he had.

2) In an extension of the point above, we struggled to find a creative pass all season long. The number of through balls this season into the box are miniscule to the point of non-existence. In such a case, why is it prudent to send away Lewis Holtby, a creative passer who can play wide, on loan?

3) Playing youth prospects is great. Fryers needed a shot, as did Bentaleb and Kane. But when did Bentaleb play? Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool... all the games we received a drubbing in. He was woefully out of position a lot of times, and it does no good to a young talented players confidence to mess up that bad that often. I myself started pointing to Bentaleb first, and at every mistake the team makes, my first reaction was to look at where Bentaleb was in that move. He played young players at the wrong time. Europa league, which was a chance to rest big players in group games after we got through, he decided to continue playing the big names. That was a terrible move.

4) We've made investments. Paulinho, Soldado, Lamela, Chadli, Capoue, Vlad and Eriksen. Of these, think of how many players have had a positive season. They aren't bad players by any stretch. They were proven at both international and local levels. Yet, they looked extremely ordinary on the pitch when turning up for us, despite quite a lot of factors. Why? The role of a manager is to also ensure that our investments are protected. To now go on and say "Sell soldado, Lamela, Paulinho, Capoue and Vlad, they're not good enough", would mean an incredible 30 million or so loss. That's a bigger hit than us not being in the CL, and that's a facet that people forget. Just as AVB forgot to ensure the club's interests were protected by not alienating or highest player when he couldn't get sold, it was upto Sherwood to try and ensure that our players rebuilt their confidence and their morale. Instead, players like Paulinho, Capoue, Vlad and Soldado got progressively worse. They were subsequently dropped (Paulinho and Capoue), and are easily going to be looking for a way out now. There were times, where despite the entire midfield having a bad game (Paulinho, Bentaleb, Sandro), the players dropped were Paulinho and Sandro, while Bentaleb remained in the starting XI. This angers players. I'm not saying "cater to every whim", but the times and chances some players got, others most certainly didn't. There were quite strong hints of favouritism in the squad selection, and we needed a strong motivator and man manager to actually get all these egos under control. Sherwood failed that quite miserably.

5) Training routines. The number of injuries during training doubled during Sherwood's reign. Especially back injuries. It strongly reeks of players being asked to do more weights to get "stronger" and in turn, pulling their backs. Vlad, Lamela were the two most serious in this case. Inexperience in getting players to train to the level they ought to train cost us a lot. If we kept getting this many injuries during training, why didn't we lighten it up later? We kept going at the same pace, and we keep getting more players injured every week off the pitch.

6) Media handling. People love a straight talker, but that is something for the fans. It is not good for morale in a company if you keep slamming players in public forums time and again. Praise kept getting deflected time and again as well. Think Sunderland, when Eriksen played out of his skin, and when the media asked what they thought of him, the answer ended up with a pat on the back for Eriksen and flowery praise of no end for Kane. Why? Because he wanted to ensure everyone realized he gave Kane a chance when no one else would? Things like this, you and me won't notice everyday, but the players will. The body language of a lot of players says a lot of things. Sherwood's banging his own drum a lot, and when the press ask him questions about himself, instead of deflecting it to the club or the players, he makes it even more about him. Someone like M ourinho can pull it off, but not someone like Sherwood. He simply doesn't have the players command that much.

7) The way the training staff mouths off the press. The number of times Ramsey and Ferdinand came out and said something shows they don't really see Sherwood as a coach above him, but someone along the same lines. They tried too hard to establish their authority, and the CDM debacle came out from this. One of the players hit hard by this is Sandro. Hand on heart, can you tell me Sandro, Capoue, Dembele or Paulinho were uneffected by this? All four of them had a steep performance drop right after that interview.

I didn't even tough on tactics. I agree with a lot of Fish's questions. I won't reiterate them, but they are major blots on Sherwood's reigns so far. Numbers are well and good for a short span. But there are long term consequences I'm really worried about bro.

P.S: I have no intention of putting anyone down here with this debate. If I sound like I am, I apologize in advance. This is a throwback to our old debates which we haven't had for a while. I hope everyone can take it in the same spirit, or let me know if something's off so I can rectify myself. I'm quite rusty :P
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Bloody hell that was long :D
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Agreed bwfyid. He is a proven winner, yes, but would be want to stay for while and he has an ego, would he be able to work with Levy and be restrained.

That is IF we even get him. At this point, it is all speculation and what not. Until it is on the announced on the tottenham webpage. I am not reading into it very much.
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Haha, Magnus, that was long. The only thing missing is a metallic tower coming down fromthe sky :D
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Oh wow mag lol, will read and attempt to reply when I get in.
@Mag Did AVB lose the dressing room? Ade became a major problem for him, one which he couldn't manage to get back. Others? Vertonghen has been one big sulk every time things don't go his way, so I wouldn't worry much about him. Things didn't progress the way they should for AVB and he may eventually have got the sack later regardless. But sacking him mid season was not smart and employing TS was even less smart. However, in general I don't have that much of a problem with Levy.

Tim Sherwood on the other hand, Bwf, remains a problem for me as long as he's in the position of our manager. He is a moron, he behaves like one and he should be treated like one. That there still are certain Spurs fans out there wanting him to remain is a mystery for most others. And stop being so naive and selective regarding his win percentage. If you add them all up they're worse than AVB's record both at Spurs and Chelsea. And TS wanted the job WITH the players we already had. No manager walks into a clean sheet, where they can pick 25 new players they want and boot out the current squad in one go. If Sherwood is given another season we can write the next few off as well.
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Lol. Mags just HAD to go there :D
For the most part I agree with everything you got there, except I'd say that Sherwood has at least gotten the lads to make more off the ball runs than AVB, but there's no planning or thought put into them.

@bwfyid: I hear what you're saying, but I just can't find any benefit to what Sherwood does other than play youth talent. As Mags pointed out, though, he doesn't do it in the optimal way. I can't for the life of me think why Timmy would be better than De Boer, Pochettino, or Martinez. If anything, De Boer could use his Ajax influence to hustle in some of their talent who are ready to move to england. Likewise Pochettino could have influence over some of the emerging Soton talent.
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Mag... This is all getting a bit too weird for me. I agree with everything you said from start to finish.

@North, AVB's management of Ade is what cost him his job in my opinion. Also you are spot on about Tim.
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@North: I'm not interested in getting into a debate about how you feel about his personality and how you feel he should be treated like a moron. each to their own but I wont indulge.

Notice how everyone was mature and friendly in this debate.

Anyway, you mention me being selective and naïve with win percentages. I was selective and chose to use premier league game's to number crunch because they are the bread and butter and the best gauge, if you want to include easy Europa league game's in your number crunch then that's your choice but there is nothing naïve about leaving out walkover games that TS hasn't even had a chance to play in... If you could elaborate on how I was naïve I would love to hear it. If you could refrain from calling me any more names I would appreciate it lol.
Easy does it fellas. Easy does it. We've known each other for years now. Lets not throw it away. We've just got different visions for the club, and I must admit, I lost my very own preaching's morals from time to time of respecting another person's views.

@North: I believe he did lose a portion of the dressing room. There were quite a few comments coming in from a lot of players backing Adebayor and claiming he should be playing. You know I'm not Adebayor's biggest fan, but I admit myself that putting someone with such high wages in the reserves is a mistake. It was the same mistake he made at Chelsea too, and didn't learn from it. He also lost Defoe at the same time, along with the destruction of Soldado's confidence. It just was a tough time, especially at the striking department, and the defensive department with the high line. I don't rate Caulker as much as most here do, but he was allowed to leave by AVB, which I don't think was a reasonable thing to do.

@Fish: I agree with the fact that Sherwood has gotten the lads to play more attacking football. We're finally seeing some off the ball runs, some through balls, and what not. But it is coming at the cost of any defense whatsoever. The load on Rose (or whoever the left back is) is immense with a free roaming Eriksen. Ade slots in from time to time on the left when Eriksen roams, but defensively, the fluid movement contributes nothing whatsoever. That's why we're conceding so much and in such ridiculously easy fashion. The tactics... I can go on and on, but I agree with most of what you said in previous posts, so I'll just be reiterating what I've said.

@Bwfyid: If there's something you'd like to say about Sherwood to counter my points in my earlier post, I'd like to hear them bud. I really want to like Sherwood, and I want him to do well, but I'm not able to bring myself to do so. The club comes first, and my vision of it seems to find a way around Sherwood rather than with him leading us.

@Hat: The sign of the end of the universe, bud. lol.

"The club comes first"
Spot on, Mag! And therefore there must and will be casualties. Always.
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Bwf, I wouldn't waste my time calling you names nor trying to explain anything to you. In fact, you're a good boy for being a Spurs fan, and you're welcome to your opinions about TS and whatever else. I can't kick every sleeping dog I walk past.
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Who likes pies? Pies are great, are they not? all so delicious and yummy in the tummy...
Yes North, my brain cannot comprehend your superior intellect, you should not waste your time :)

I would respond accordingly but I would feel bad afterwards for attacking a pensioner.

@Black: steak pies are fantastic, :D

@Mag: in due time buddy, i will respond. I promise. I need more time to go through your post. I got distracted with North lol
I wouldn't say Tim is managing with AVBs squad, as AVB didn't want a lot of those players either. Levy wanted most of the guys he got in the summer to turn over a profit for his figures, not for the benefit of the team. The only player bought last summer that wasn't for profit reasons was Soldado. Everyone else was either bought to be sold or for commercial reasons.

This is Levy's biggest problem IMO, trying to make money for the club/his records by selling rather than by making money ON the pitch by bringing in who his managers want. He backs managers enough to pick them for the job, but not enough to give them what they want. This would please the fans also as a wanted player is bound to perform better than an unwanted one. We want success, not to just be a production line for potential talent - mainly players bigger clubs aren't prepared to take a risk on initially.
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Whilst I'm here I must say one thing - Bwfyid - there is no need to bring age into a fans discussion. What does Norths age matter one iota? Unless he's a 10 year old claiming to know the world you have absolutely no right to make smarmy little digs at Norths age.

Its no better than racism or homophobia in my eyes. Its report-worthy I feel.

What does his pension status mean? Maybe that he's been around long enough to see a hundred Tim Sherwoods try and fail. Maybe he's watched and supported Spurs for more years than you and I combined. Maybe he's picked up a thing or 2 over the years about footy.

For someone who complains if anyone "calls you names" its pretty damn hypocritical of you to basically try and mock North and play off his experienced views as some silly old fool running his mouth. How about showing a bit of damn respect. I've seen you do it a few times now and you need calling out for it.
Yucky person.
@Andy: My dear friend, whilst I understand you have a soft spot for North, maybe even strong feelings (I have no problem with this, your preference is your preference), and feel the need to jump to his defence every time we have a little quarrel. Please try and understand that he is a grown man and can defend himself just fine. We have been bantering for years now, trust me he can speak for himself.

Just so you know though, in this thread, he told me I lack experience/wisdom/judgement when it comes to football, insinuated I was a sleeping dog lol, and then proceeded to tell me I do not even warrant an explanation for said comments and wouldn't waste his time doing so. He also called me a good (boy) which is him referring to age first. All of which I had no real problem with and found quite amusing. I reply with a little banter and you write me an essay. Interesting decision. It's quite obvious you have a problem with me, I'm ok with this. Feel free to call me out whenever you like.

For the record he's not a pensioner you donut.

I'm done with this thread now lol, cant be dealing with this.

I hope you have a lovely evening Andy.





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