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Well that was horrifically boring. Still, back into 4th which will be a great boost for our players.

Lets bring those City machines to a halt! Did it last year, lets do it again. COYS!!!
Another very slow team performance, Winks in particular having a poor game. IMO Sissoko needs to move further forward, and Eriksen has to drop deep to start getting some confidence on the ball again and to influence play.

Rose with a poor first half. Dont understand why people assume he should always start over Davies when he doesn't deserve it. Aurier has been very strong, think he should start vs City.

Overall, a bit of fluke that we needed. Crowd has been dead, have only heard 2 'come on you spurs' and nothing else for the whole match. Need some encouragement for the lads!!!
Less than 50% capacity on a weeknight is bound to mean a dry atmosphere.

Rose is rusty and the reason why everyone assumes he should start is because he lacks gametime and in his prime he is arguably the leagues best lb. Davies is a solid performer and always will be, but lacks that athletic edge which Rose has.

It was great to have Lamela back, but taking Alli out meant we lost a runner into the box. We almost had too many creative players without enough movement up front. Son had a few jinking runs but not enough. Kane was left isolated and in the second half seemed to get annoyed. Team chem will build and hopefully movements will become more fluid.

As they always say, the top teams find a way to win no matter how shitty the performance. Bring on City!
Match night lads! COYS!!!
Can Kane beat Shearer's record?
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42295925
What do UEFA have against us and Chelsea this season man!
We got this!

Allegri has some bad memories of the last time he faced Spurs in European competition as head of AC Milan.

A repeat performance of our summer friendly would be perfect!

Exactly man, to be honest its just fantastic that we're playing these massive teams. Doesn't seem long ago we were looking up where teams were from in the Europa League
Taking on Juventus will be great! Meanwhile Arsenal have a Europa League trip to Östersund where the February temp is likely to be between 20-30C BELOW!
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Team today:

-------------------------------LLoris---------------------------------
-Trippier------------Dier-----------------Verty---------------Davies--
--------------------Dembele--------Winks----------------------------
-Son--------------------------Dele-------------------------Eriksen---
-----------------------------Kane-------------------------------------

Almost guaranteed win with Trippier, Dembele and Son starting. COYS!
Lap it up mate, you must be sitting there with a raging boner right now after that performance.

Good to see Dier was solid once again as well. Kane on form would have bagged 6/7 goals today but he kept the score modest.
And Trippier was absolutely bloody awful again...
Haha great game! I'm happy to see us back to 4-2-3-1 as well, against lesser teams anyway.

Trippier was pretty bad today, but Aurier hasn't been great recently either. How about young Walker-peters anyone?

Dier is not solid. I don't mind him in defence, but I would still start Sanchez over him when the young lad's back from suspension.

Have a look at the goals conceded this season and almost all of them are Dier's fault. His positioning is terrible, he loses his man almost constantly on corners and he is the most unadventurous passer in our team. Just focus on him in the game against Brighton and you'll see what I mean.

"Have a look at the goals conceded this season and almost all of them are Dier's fault." - pretty bold statement which I've already argued against before right? I know for sure I've already made the point of when Dier had to step into CB from midfield from the Real madrid game and played a blinder. Or the West Brom game where Sanchez gave the only goal away? Or any other Sanchez game where Toby hasn't played, he has made mistakes. Or the West Ham game in Carabao cup where Sanchez and Foyth got absolutely destroyed by Andy Caroll?

You are focusing too much on Dier's mistakes and letting it overrule your judgement on how good/solid he actually is.

What did he do wrong in this stoke game then? Why was he not solid? I would love some examples of what makes Dier such an overrated player compared to other underperforming/out of form players we have currently?

"and he is the most unadventurous passer in our team" - I think you need to re-assess who you think Dier is, and what he does for the team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSzsQZo_7u0
go to 5.50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGW9_HaNK4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcqgIysVQcE
go to 1.14, 4.43, 6.53, 8.05 (turns back), 8.23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOx1ljGyec
Watford handball late on, Watford goal doesn't even jump

He makes the occasional good slide tackle which makes us think he's amazing but he loses his man so regularly, doesn't jump anywhere near as much or as high as he should, is one of the slowest passers in our team and also one of the most negative.

I know he's not our first choice but he and Dele dont get the criticism he deserves while Trippier gets all the slack when he's winning us games with his crosses.

I could post a lot more examples too but it got a bit boring

Paddy, it's utter nonsense that Trippier is winning us games with his crosses. Before the Watford game his crossing accuracy in the PL stood at 12/59. (I think we scored on ONE of them.) Mid way through the 2nd half vs Watford his crossing accuracy was 0/8, I didn't see the end stat after that game, he may have attempted one more. And his stats would certainly not have improved after the Stoke game. He also constantly lets the team down with his lacklustre defending, where everybody else (incl DIER and SANCHEZ) have to sort it out for him.
After 40 years of following Spurs, I believe Trippier is the most annoying player I've seen in a Spurs shirt.
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@PaddySpurs, like I said, focusing too much on all of Dier's worst traits. I could do the same with every defender in the league and find videos of all their mistakes. I called you out on the bold sweeping statement that Dier's been at fault for every goal. When quite clearly it's been proven now that it's been a collective effort.
Please also remember. Sanchez has ended up getting a stupid red card now when at the beginning of the season he was being praised as being the complete defender we needed. All of a sudden with defensive injuries and a midfield reshuffle, he's starting to feel the pressure also and make mistakes.

It's funny you mention that Alli and Dier don't get the criticism they deserve, because if you've been watching the football shows lately, all Pundits have been berating Alli's form, whilst simultaneously NOT blaming our poor form on Dier being an overrated player.

"is one of the slowest passers in our team and also one of the most negative."- are you kidding? After Toby, Dier makes the most long range upfield passes in the team. But again, this is such a moot point. Does Sanchez have a better passing range than Dier? Is he more forward playing than Dier? Don't be silly. Dier plays the ball just fine. Clutching straws with this argument.

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@North

Trippier recorded an assist every 116 minutes last season, compared to Aurier at an assist every 610 minutes.

In his last 21 games Trippier has 9 assists. How is he not winning us games with his crosses?! These have nearly all been beautifully weighted crosses or deft through balls. Of course I accept he's not our best defender, but we've had high marks set with Walker and Rose in recent years.

How you can say he's the most annoying player when he literally wins games for us with his crosses is completely beyond me. As Carragher says:

“By moving five or 10 yards to the right he’s [De Bruyne] in a crossing position and there’s no better crosser of a ball in the Premier League, perhaps with the exception of Kieran Trippier at Tottenham,"

@FayJay

Of course I'm concentrating on his worst traits! I'm criticising him. I accept he's saved us on multiple occasions with his last ditch slide tackles.

You asked me to provide examples of him being at fault for a lot of goals and I provided the most recent examples!

Anyway, I'll withhold my judgement. I'll watch him closer than usual in the next few games but please do the same.



I think I watch Dier close enough and I didnt ask you to provide any examples; I have always said from the very beginning that Dier is by no means perfect; i called you out on the fact that you think Dier has conceded all our goals which is ridiculous and that he is the most overrated Spurs player, also ridiculous.

Re- Trippier: No-one denies that he is a brilliant crosser of the ball or his stats of 9 assists from 21games, but if I recall correctly, didnt he get 3 of those in a 5-0 game or something? Point is, Of those 21games itl be interesting to see how many of them were actually won by Trippier's crosses.
The positive news is that we win our very tough Champions League group with the highest points tally. It's also remarkable that all 5 English teams make it through to the knock-outs, 4 of them as group winners.

5 English teams, 3 Spanish, 1 French, 1 German, 2 Italian, 1 Portuguese, 1 Swiss, 1 Turkish and 1 Ukrainian.
I hope English teams can prove them all wrong. This season gives us a great chance.
I think that's a fair reflection of the quality of the leagues.
Looking at the quality across Europe there's no reason an English team can't win the competition. You look at Real, juve, and barca and they're not looking the part this season. Biggest obstacles are bayern and psg, but in no image are they head and shoulders above the English teams.
Dier is the most overrated player at Tottenham.

Also in other news, I think Richarlison or Zaha in January is essential. We need that tricky left winger that we have been crying out for for years. United have their DM they've always needed, Arsenal have their striker, Liverpool don't have their striker or defensive midfielder (hehe), Man City have everything but we need our LW we've always needed!

COYS!
I find it strange that you make such a sweeping statement when there is currently so much wrong with the team.

The true problem lies with the fact that one of the leagues best CB's & CDM's have been out injured, with Dier covering BOTH positions. He is never going to be the same calibre of player as Toby in CB positon or Wanyama in CDM, but he has barely put a foot wrong the last few games.
Sanchez got shrugged off for West Brom early goal (Alli giving the ball away from a Tripper throw in!) and also getting red carded (unnecessary red card as well), which meant Dier had to slip back into CB position from playing in Midfield. These are mistakes which Sanchez will learn from and gain experience from; experiences which Dier already has. Dier isn't perfect, and yes he makes mistakes like the rest of the team; more mistakes than everybody else? Overrated? Can't be.

Richarlison only joined Watford this year and Zaha signed a new contract in the summer; neither are realistic players and even if they were, are they what we need? What would they bring to the team exactly? I don't see it. I absolutely despise Zaha; blistering pace and talent, but no footballing brain, he's a younger English Sissoko, which means he would probably cost 50m minimum. I'd much rather Lamela's return, and Son as our LW super sub. That is basically what Son is to us now anyways considering Eriksen/Alli/Kane never get dropped.

What we need is Eriksen/Alli cover, if we count Lamela as their cover, then I would like to see us take someone like Mahrez - but would he be motivated at Spurs? That's my only worry.
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I think the loss of Toby and Wanyama has weakened our defence while Dele's loss of form has hampered our goal scoring. Also our focus on the champs league this season seems to have impeded our EPL form as well.

I'm not convinced that Lamela would be of any value to us this season. Simply cos it he has been out for so long and will need ages to find fitness and form again.

I would love a guy like Zaha to join us. Yes he has Sissoko like pace but he has much better ball control. Sissoko can exploit space in front of him with powerful direct running but Zaha can beat a player off the dribble and creating his own space. That is what Poch needs on the right wing and imo has failed to get out of Sissoko.

Another player I would like to see is Demarai Gray from the Foxes. He has similar qualities and was angling for a move recently. Unfortunately the new Gaffer Puel is actually starting him now so he won't be leaving in Jan as I'd hoped.

Truth is I can't see Spurs splashing out the cash needed for a Zaha unless we can see Sissoko for a decent amount. I'm not convinced we Levy can get that deal done. Poch seems to be giving Sissoko more chances these days too and its clear him and Aurier are close in the dressing room. With the eventual arrival of Lamela I just don't think we will sign anyone for the wide positions. Even more unlikely when you consider Poch has played with wing backs in a 5321 for many of his games the season.
Yeah Paddy, I'm with Fay-Jay re Dier. He's an incredibly versatile and useful player for us and for England. The roles he's been given he has performed well and imo done very little wrong.

Re another winger, I can't see that happen unless several players leave. Someone like Zaha I'm guessing wouldn't be Pochettino's type, who'd just put his head down and work hard to earn a place. He may just end up spending more time on the bench than playing at Spurs.

Hatmundo, Lamela has actually looked pretty decent in his recent cameos. I think he looks less rusty than what was expected. Fingers crossed!
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Hatmundo;North, it took Lamela 70seconds to get his first assist of the season going. I'm going to stay a bit more optimistic about what he can bring to the team! At the very least he can come on for Eriksen or Alli when they aren't effecting a game, with the Son/Llorente combo starting to flourish all of a sudden we've got a very good squad.
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Talk of Toby being out for the rest of the season, that's a substantial kick to the nads if correct.
What I read was that he has a tear in his muscle, which if he injures further, can result in needing surgery to resolve with +14weeks rehab. But at the moment he was being monitored to see how the tear heals first.

But who knows these days, anything can happen with these injuries. Let's hope you're wrong!
Just realised Burnley can go above us with a win tonight...........
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My flatmate (& colleague) is a Burnley fan.

Checking my emails at work this morning, I see I've received a couple from him; I open it to find the premier league table staring at me...Don't know why I'm surprised, it was torture watching the game yesterday.

I joked that Burnley have "Space Jam'd" Spurs, taken away our powers and ability to play.

We are closer to relegation Crystal Palace (15) than current leaders Man City (16)!

Disgraceful.
And if we lose to Watford today they'll be on equal points with us. Watford will be motivated to bounce back from the United defeat and sense that we're in a vulnerable state. However, Poch and the lads will want to set things straight and get us back on course. We need to (and should) grab three points, simple as that!
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