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PaddySpurs4Life this is the game where Kane definitely has appeared better, stronger and more confident. From the start we could tell what the gameplan was, Trippier was playing up high and whipping early crosses in with Kane in and around the box. It didn't come for him but he won the freekick which won the Pen which set him up to end his drought. He started to fizzle in the second half, and there was one point when Dier had the ball in the opposition half, and he had Eriksen Son and Kane in front of him, instead he went to turn backwards and lost the ball which set Brighton off on a counter attack which they almost scored from. I had nightmares of the disgusting way we gave the game away to Inter. Anyways, Poch made the right subs with the mindset to kill the game off with a second goal. Alli's return had restored the confidence in our team and we played some fluid football, with Eriksen interchanging 1-2s with Lamela in tight spaces had renewed my confidence in the team again. Great play for the second goal and on we go, Kane starts popping shots off for fun again and this is a great set up now for the upcoming games.

The blip at the end though was unforgivable; the whole team switched off and Rose couldn't stay on his feet and flopped in panic and the shot left Gazanniga, who otherwise had a very good game considering the heavy rain conditions, rooted on the spot. Kane can finally now kick on with some renewed confidence, but the team mentality still needs to sharpen up if we are to actually win games against the top teams. (Most of this anger may just be due to the fact that I have Vertonghen in my fantasy league, and this week I'm doing poorly because no-one has been getting cleansheets!).
only 4 points behind last year's champions in the league and they just lost at home in the CL. Things aren't too bad, I just hope they get better quick..
Let's hope for a quick turn-around. I heard Lamela said that the players are still positive. I hope that's the case because the moment they lose faith in the Poch project it will be very obvious. And then there will only be one solution.

Kane still looks like a shadow of himself. Both Poch and the players try to brush that away but at the moment he's just a passenger. Against Liverpool he had less touches in 90 min than Lamela had in the 30 min he was on. Lamela, Son and Moura will have to lift the team. Eriksen should be ok and Dele hopefully won't be too far away. In Milan Aurier and Moura, when he came on, were our brightest.
Agreed. What's your starting 11 vs Brighton?

I would say Aurier definitely deserves to start but Trippier was left behind specifically for this game. I also think Kane needs to be dropped and Wanyama put in for Dembele and Winks in for Dier.

---------------------------Gazzaniga-------------------------------
-Trippier---------Toby-------------------Jan------------------Rose-
--------------------Winks-----Wanyama----------------------------
-Lamela------------------Eriksen-----------------------------Son--
---------------------------Lucas------------------------------------
Moura doesnt have a good enough first touch in order to play as a ST. He's better running through teams from deep, so switch him with Son, who has a bit more experience covering for Kane from last season.
We have to remember how far we've come lads. It wasn't long ago we were playing god-knows-who in Europa and scraping by (while managing 5th in the league while getting battered by every big team).

This is the worst patch we've had in a while, but we'll get through it.

Positives from tonight:

Kane looked better, more confident and stronger. Aurier had a fantastic game and deserves a start vs Brighton. Moura looked like Maradona when he came on. Such a menace.

Onwards and upwards lads. COYS!
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I'm not sure about the looking 'better, more confident and stronger' if that were true he would have scored his only chance of the game; or at least have taken a shot! Physical fatigue may be a myth, but mentally Kane is not up to scratch when he can go near enough a full game without taking a pop at goal.

We should have killed the game off; when Poch started making his substitutions with taking off Son, my heart sank. I knew exactly what was going to happen once he decided to put on players to hold out for the 1-0 and take off all our offensive players, with Kane coming off last. Poch gave them a direct route back into the game by holding out a 1-0 advantage.

We were sitting ducks with our slow passing, and the wonder goal aside, the resulting scoreline was predictable even at 80minutes. What's worse is that we conceded yet ANOTHER set piece goal.
True, but I don't think we can put it down to Poch in this game. First half was littered with individual mistakes from Dier, Dembele, Davies, Sanchez and Vertonghen that should have given inter at least 2 goals had they been half decent in their passing.

Second half, we improved massively. We pressed as a unit rather than individually and our passing was more accurate.

Moura was an absolute menace when brought on and should have had 2 goals.

What lost us the game was Moura completely switching off, and Dier tiring and losing his all his defensive nous.

And with regards to Kane, his hold up play, passing and first touch was far better than we saw against Watford, Liverpool and half or United game. In that respect he was better but yeah he did squander a golden chance after a beautiful pass from Eriksen.

p.s Eriksen has also had a poor start to the campaign in my opinion..

Still disagree about Kane. Important statistic: Kane did not take a SINGLE SHOT at goal. It is pointless being in the team purely just to link up play. He is not spending enough time in the box and he is the teams only out and out striker. What are our creative players like Lamela and Eriksen to do with the ball if Kane is standing behind them on the halfway line? We need him in the box in order to bring out the best of the players behind/around him. Improved touch/accurate passing does not equate to Kane being 'better, more confident and stronger' - it just means he wasn't trash.

You cannot blame the winning goal on Lucas Moura, considering they scored from a setpiece! Poch brought on Rose for Kane for goodness sake to try hold on to the 1-0 lead.

We were controlling the game after we were luckily 1-0 up and were much better for it, even looking like we were going to get a second to wrap it up. But Poch panicked, probably from thinking back to the way we threw away the 2-0 lead against a much better Juventus last season that he decides to throw on Winks /Moura / Rose, changing our team dynamics who ultimately allowed Inter to attack for the rest of the game; and get their rewards.

All the talk early season about being 'brave' was not apparent in this game.
This is atrocious. Liverpool was the worst we've played in years and now we follow it up with such a nervous first half against Inter! COYS! Poch needs to prove why he's a manager and not a coach.
They looked better in the second half. Terrible how they threw it all away at the end.
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"Poch needs to prove why he's a manager and not a coach." - not helping his case with his media rants as well. Pressure's getting to him.
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Bloody hell, we’re not looking flash at the moment. As Aidan said while we were watching this Liverpool game, we look like a mid table team. Liverpool should actually have done better, considering we were self-destructing and on our heels for big parts of it. In fact, they almost threw away what should have been a comfortable three points, when we were denied a stone wall penalty.
The concern I’ve raised several times in the past, about Pochettino looking unlikely to lift a trophy, is coming to the forefront again. Sometimes he seems so tactically naive, it’s just mind boggling. To return to my pet hate, our set-up with inept full backs. Poch is so stubborn, trying to make it work, that he has changed our midfield in every single game. Playing Dembele behind Dier and Winks just makes me scratch my head to bloods. Why would you ask Dier to be Dembele and vice versa??
Meanwhile, Trippier and Rose were competing about who could be more awful than the other. With two of either Trippier, Rose or Davies on the field, it’s often like playing with 9 men. Kieran “Beckham” Trippier has lately been utilised as one of our main out-play options. He will not push on and take on anyone and absolutely not a quality winger. For the most he keeps doing what he’s always done, play the ball backwards and occasionally sidewards. More often than not, when he supposedly does his “Beckham”-crosses, he just hoofs the ball into a general area. He doesn’t pick out a player, like Eriksen or Alli or Kane or Toby would do. However, those crosses are rarely seen when he’s opposite a quality winger or fullback. And worst of all, I say it again, he is such a coward when it comes to defending. He’s fully aware of players’ presence in his zone and he will ignore them and try to hide behind Dier or Toby or just simply disappear. We knew beforehand that he would let Sadio Mane run behind him, beyond him and around him. The way he dropped him for Liverpool’s second goal is not a one-off and can’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s watching this team.
Even when we were chasing the game at 2-0 down, we have full-backs and three midfielders who won’t do anything put pass the ball backwards and sidewards. At one stage we had all players up for a corner. The ball was cleared out towards Trippier near the half-way line. Did “Beckham” put it back in on a plate for our forwards? No, Trippier did what he does best and booted the ball back to VORM. f**k me, it’s depressing to watch!!
Next point. We’re without Lloris for several weeks. I’m afraid Poch needs to show that he can be a little bit ruthless, drop Vorm and let Gazzaniga get the chance. It’s like we’ve taken over the Karius Show as well. And then it’s poor Kane. He has been lethargic since April and is starting more and more to look like Llorente’s frustrated twin brother. It might do him the world of good to watch the next few games from the sideline.
So, Gazzaniga in for Vorm. Son in for Kane. And if Aurier and Walker-Peters aren’t in the running, then use someone else who can offer something on the wings, like Moura and Lamela instead of Rose/Davies and Trippier. But these things might not be considered for another month or two, if at all.
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Poch frustrations well highlighted. He treated Liverpool as if it was a Watford re-match.
Rose had a good England game, well deserved MOTM performance. He was trying to replicate that against Liverpool, but with Kane off form and Moura more headless chicken than accomplished 2nd striker, having both Fullbacks push up is obviously tactical suicide. It is common knowledge that with yesterdays' formation, you send one fullback up, whilst the other stays. This was the problem with Rose and Beckham wannabe2.0 yesterday.

But again I think it is lessons learned for Poch. There is a lot more stress this season considering we have no new players and the stadium is a complete mess.
In the early games this season it seemed Poch had turned a page. Playing Lucas as 2nd striker to counteract Kane's tiredness has done wonders, but at the end of the day our team is still coasting. There are too many tired bodies and minds devoid of ideas.
Having Wanyama & Winks injured has taken its toll. Lamela injury has taken its toll for the last 4 seasons. No viable backups with useless Janssen/Llorente has taken its toll. But Son is back and can finally kick on without any fears about Military service & we are getting players back from injury.
Poch has a lot of tinkering to do now that we have viable options again to actually change formations completely.
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I know you've said this about Poch for a while North, especially that he's not capable of taking us mentally to a titles. I hate to say I'm starting to believe it.

I hope he doesn't turn out to be a fantastic coach but an average manager.

My team vs Inter:

------------------------------Gazzaniga---------------------------------
-Aurier------------Sanchez-----------Vertognhen-----------------Davies-
-----------------------------Dier-----------------------------------------
----------------------Winks--------Eriksen-------------------------------
-Lamela-------------------------------------------------------------Son-
----------------------------Llorente-------------------------------------
I'd rather see Son up top and Moura on instead of Llorente. No way Kane will be missing this game though.

Will be interesting to see whether Poch will stick with Vorm or try Gazzaniga.
That was a good game, both teams had several chances that they didn't take advantage of. Good luck for the rest of the season. The team will bounce back, you guys got a solid squad.
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The funny thing is it should have been 2-2! We should have had a penalty at the end from Mane on Son!

Obviously undeserved but..
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Clear penalty!
on MOTD they showed michael oliver's view. if he'd been able to see it (or if VAR was used...) it was as straightforward a penalty as can be. glad to see Son back for you guys, he's one of my favorite rival players though i'm surprised he didn't start!
And of course we are down from a set piece. What is with us and headers so far this season. Sigh....

Bring Son on for Dier and play 433 dropping Eriksen back.
I didnt realise Lamela was fit...
Poor poor poor. Why the f**k would we go 3 at the back against Liverpool!!! Especially if we don't play Sanchez in between our Belgians (the only one who could have kept pace with Mane and Salah).

Poch needs to up his game, as does Eriksen and Kane.
Our team today:

Vorm, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose, Trippier, Dier, Dembele, Winks, Moura, Eriksen, Kane!

Looks like back to a back 4! COYS!!!!
Back 4 already looking shakey as both Rose and Trippier are pushing up leaving Vertonghen and Toby to chase. There is no pace in our back line to cover the counters.

I like how Poch has put faith in Winks to help control our midfield. But if our plan is to play a controlling game, then Liverpool will be playing the counter and how are we going to deal with that without pace in our back line.

Moura needs to finish this early for my fantasy league.
Exactly man, it was tactical suicide from Poch.
"Everyone was saying everywhere that I absolutely wanted to leave Tottenham," Alderweireld said at a news conference ahead of Belgium's UEFA Nations League game against Iceland on Tuesday.

"That's not true. This summer, I quickly understood Tottenham wanted to keep me. So, I had to battle to get my place back in the team. To be in the first team again is a victory for me."

good to hear from toby!

My team against Liverpool:

------------------------------------Gazzaniga--------------------------------------
-Trippier----------------Toby------------------Verty-------------------Rose---
----------------------------Dier----------Dembele-----------------------------
-Lucas----------------------------Eriksen---------------------------------Son-
------------------------------------Kane (if rested by England)------------------

Edit: Didn't realise Dele and Lloris was injured.
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No point playing Trippier against Liverpool, if we want to win this game.
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You'd prefer Aurier? Against Mane and Sarah?!!?! Get out of here man, Trippier is far better offensively and defensively than Aurier. I'd prefer Walker-Peters get a start over Serge
I thought it was already well established that Trippier's biggest weakness is a pacey winger?
Trippier was originally dropped for Aurier because of Sane. Trippier gets absolutely destroyed every time he is faced with a pacey winger. And you are asking to play Trippier as RB in a back 4 with no Sanchez? Where is the pace going to come from when we get countered?

Trippier is only good offensively if we play 5 at the back, and he is able to spend all of his time waiting around in the opposition half. If he is out of position, there is no way he is able to cover his position. That's why Southgate chooses to play Kyle Walker as a RCB, so Trippier can be utilised for his crossing whilst Walker covers the space left behind him with his pace.

Aurier has already provided a brilliant whipping cross assist for Alli and has better defensive stats regarding tackles won/clearances/interceptions; as well as having the odd defensive howlers i must admit. However, I would much prefer seeing the odd defensive howler + multiple gut bursting runs over 90minutes from Aurier, than watch Trippier wave his arms constantly ordering everyone around him to help make tackles and interceptions as he continues to play his 1-2 football and cross into the box.

Aurier is nowhere near as bad as you may think; and has more than enough potential to become a worldclass RB with some more tutelage under Poch. However, Trippier's shortcomings should be all too obvious whereas his strengths are not enough to warrant an automatic starting spot. He is a RB and is being so overrated right now because of a couple of Free-kick goals and his crossing ability. We have Eriksen.
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Have you forgotten his performances against Ronaldo, Hazard and Sanchez mate? They're pretty paceY!

I honestly don't understand the hate at all. Have you not seen the amount of key passes and assists he's delivered? How accurate his crosses are compared to most full-backs? How well he links up with other players? 1-2 football and crossing into the box Is half of bloody job!

I accept he's not the best defensively, although I've seen Aurier gassed more than Trippier and whereas Trippier will win us games with assists and free-kicks, Aurier will lose us games with his hot-headedness.

So now you're annoyed because he's waving his arms and communicating with his team-mates?

You have noticed Eriksen's godawful corners for the last 3 years? he's good at crossing from open play but his set-pieces have been pretty shabby tbh.

I dunno man, even when Trippier was one of England's best player at the World Cup, scored in the semi-final and has started this Premier League season with a goal and an assist in 3 games, he still get's slated by you and North!

You've just proved my point completely. I've highlighted multiple times Trippier's strengths and weaknesses and understand the need to play Aurier and Trippier. Yet you're more focused on everytime I slate Trippier because of your immense bias of him the better player and RB.
Ronaldo Hazard Sanchez? They don't play as Pacey wingers, and if you watch those games, Trippier never took those guys on 1v1, we did it as a team.
Me being annoyed at his communication with teammates? No that wasn't my point - it's the fact that he doesn't take responsibility for his man, and he is pointing for someone else to tackle them or mark them because he is half focused on being close enough to the half way line so he can bomb up to make a cross or link up play.

You just re-highlighted all his amazing crosses and link up play. Are those the moves of a typical RB? No it isn't. His heroics at England, I already said previously that he was rightly heralded as our new Beckham - because he was playing as a RM. His amazing link up play? Sometimes you need a RB to bomb down the wing, and that isn't Trippier. And in my opinion - that is what I want my RB to do sometimes, what Aurier does when he bombs down the wing.
Northstream made the point that England only had one play style, and that relied on set pieces because we have no creative midfielder. Is that how we want Spurs ultimately playing? Having to rely on our RB to be our best chance creator is not what I want for Spurs. And quite frankly I don't believe it should be.

So again, your point of Trippier being the superior RB to Aurier is flawed in its logic. With all of Trippier's strength's, they affect the way the team has to play in order for him to be effective. And that is why you think I have hate for Trippier. I have faith in both players, but I only prefer the play style of one of them, and for me that is having Aurier/ or like you rightly pointed out Kyle Walker-Peters, but he is still unproven.
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I highlight those games because Trippier was fantastic defensively when those three ran at him. I remember his performances, not just the fact we won the game.

Him being on the half way line is what Poch has demanded him to do! He's not floating up the pitch under his own intuition!

I agree with what you say about him being a RM for England but I just haven't seen Aurier bomb down the wings as much as Trippier. He doesn't have to be our best chance creator, but surely we want as many of them as possible?

I think if you asked 20 Tottenham fans, nearly all of them would say they prefer Trippier, so my logic can't be completely flawed.

And I think you're asking the wrong 20 Tottenhams.

You're not even getting my point. Your logic is flawed because you're failing to realise that Trippier is only as good as the team tactics will allow. If Aurier was given the opportunity to become a solid RB for us then we would not have been exposed by Salah and Mane the way we did tonight because he has pace. It is as simple as that.

Aurier didn't put a foot wrong last game he played, and he provided a brilliant whipping assist for Alli's opening goal. He has also put in several good performances for us and won us many last ditch tackles. I've watched Trippier enough to know his limitations, and quite frankly; Kane and Eriksen's poor form aside, Northstream and I knew we were going to be punished by Liverpool's counter attacking wingers. He summed it up in one line.

Bottom line is, 2 different RB's require 2 different play styles, and Poch needs to get his selection right.
No-one questioned your choice of Trippier for the Watford game, but Northstream made a valid point in being concerned about having him against Liverpool - hindsight and all aside.
Aurier needs time to build up his 1-2 play with the team, and he has already shown he has enough quality in his crosses to be a threat. The whole reason we bought him is to replace Walker's atheleticism. Look at the difference that Mendy has made to Man City's attacking play and tactics. It's ridiculous.
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Paddy, you posted your preferred team with Trippier. You then asked me if I'd prefer Aurier while you said Walker-Peters should start. Well, either of them would have been better options!
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Our shortcomings were properly exposed at Watford. I can only think that Pochettino will have to have a serious rethink about the way we set up with the current wingbacks. They need to be driving forward to the byline, to stretch and put pressure on the opposition. Instead we stack the midfield with static wingbacks and a lack of muscle through the middle, which in turn means the creativity also stalls. Pochettino got that totally wrong from the start and did not try to rectify it until we were 2-1 down. As much as we all love Dembele, he cannot run that midfield by himself. In that respect Poch will have options after the international break, by using two of either Dier, Dembele, Wanyama or Winks. The latter actually looked sharper and more purposeful than any of the others when he came on.
A terrible defeat to take but we had that one coming.
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Exactly man. Watching that game, I put most of the blame on Poch...
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He picks and sets up the team.
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