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Hearing rumours that we've offered 24M for Fellaini + Hernandez.

I'd actually like this to happen. (I think Fellaini's being wasted at Man United, during his Everton days, he was solid.) 24M for Fellainin + Hernandez is definitely better than 20M-27M for Schnerbdbsahbdalin(can't spell his name)

What're your thoughts, guys?
2 for one would be better of course. But I doubt United will sell for that cheap.
Fellaini's a thug. I'm cool with Chicharito, but where does that leave Bobby? They're too similar for both to have decent amount of game-time.
I'd be all for it, sounds to good to be true tho hah. Obviously that would definitely mean someone would have to make way . . I see a good group of the squad have made the trip to Cyprus for the europa league qualifier. Does look as If Poch will take it seriuosly, Sandro and Holtby have travelled as well. .
Capoue to establish himself as an important regular in our starting XI this season. Thoughts..?
Call it then. And Spurs' player of the 14/15 season iiiiis..??

Lloris for me.
Lamela
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waaait a minute.. thats an old thread.. really gotta start reading stuff properly.
sht, just realised there is a thread for this stuff already! I really gotta start venturing right a bit more.
Is there a thread for that already? :O

Anyways, I will go with Vertonghen. :)
Had no idea that Schneiderlin was French..

Anyways, rumours heating up again.

Would love to have 1 CB in before deadline day.

Got a bad feeling that Holtby and Sandro's going to be sold, which is sad because they're fan faves :(

COYS!
I still don't see it happening, unless Holtby + cash? I think they'd be smarter keeping him especially after signing that bumper contract, it's not like they have to sell and I somehow can't see us meeting their asking price. Going on how much they let the other Southampton players went for, he'd have to be 20+ which I think's fair enough but I just can't see us paying that much. .

I can see Sandro going tho.
His role was a bit different against Liverpool IMO. A lot more all-round game this season from him and he will be worth even more to them. Will be really surprised if they sell him.
I could see Sandro, but I would be surprised at Holtby going - unless Paulinho and Dembele have really turned it on in training and look to push Lewlew further away from 1st team.
I can't see Holtby going.. my evidence for this is as follows:

Gut.

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Right guys the first week is finished so it's time to declare who you are in the fantasy footy league! some are obvious from the names but others not so much.
Post who you are in the Fantasy footy forum on the right ------>
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Loads of people in both the leagues. Fun stuff :D

Got a pathetic start to the league though :(
Marathon not a sprint, and all that.
I am in only one of the leagues. 65pt start. James f*****g Collins was in my line-up. No idea how he managed to sneak in.. :P
Hey lads, I've been following this forum for 2-3 years, finally got to making an account :) Im in the FPL League too, 54 Points to start :/

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good to hear from ya, Holtby. Welcome. Following for a few years... Bit pervy ;-)
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Lol. A bit Pervy? Fits right into this bunch of misfits :D
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Haha! Mag, very true. :P
what are the relevant codes again??

My 3 top scoring players were all arsenal players.. I feel disgusting right now.
Check the forum on the right hippy --->
My name is on it,you know my real identity now though,lol
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Haha mine too! Prepare to get trolled, sir.
@Spurshippy: 3 ARSENAL players?! I bet you finish 4th
My rule of fantasy league...

No Arsenal players, always maximum spurs players in the squad.

It's no surprise that I did pretty poorly last season.
Couldn't believe this when I saw it:
Highest net spenders in Europe (last 5 transfer windows)

PSG (£165m)
Man Utd (£165m)
Barcelona (£155m)
Chelsea (£137m)
Real Madrid (£126m)
Man City (£126m)
It's absolutely disgusting how finically irresponsible these clubs are.
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Tottenham..................(-£27m)?
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Where did you get this? And yes I agree with CoysBmore it is disgusting.
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Sky sports mate,crazy really,yeah I know paddy
@Paddy, I think we've broken even over the last five windows, we've spent quite a bit as well tbh...
Well what's so bad about spending though? especially if the clubs can either afford it, or have their sugar daddy pay it off?
^ Nothing wrong with it ... if you're fine with the top leagues getting further and further away from being a level playing field.

It inflates the market--effectively making it close to impossible for the "smaller" clubs to compete.

Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic.
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The likes of Young, Fellaini, Valencia didn't come cheap. They recovered nothing from deals like Berbatov either. They can make it up with their shirt sales and brand following across the world, but this is the thing plaguing football at the moment. Too much spending power for too many teams is inflating player values to beyond recognition. If it goes on like this, in 2-3 years time, football will become boring beyond recognition with everyone looking around for sugar daddies to bail them out.
Where on earth did Man United spend that money?
Nothing wrong spending money you make. Those who criticize should ask themselves will they spend if they can.

and let's not forget Abramovic's first target was Spurs.
Rvp 20mil,Mata 38,fellaini 25,Shaw 30,Herrera 27,young 18,Jones 19,de gea 19,that's just of my head
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My point exactly rogue :-P
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@Maverick

Could you still hold the same opinion if/when in the future--Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid--Spurs become bottom table dwellers, fighting to return to the top half and stave off relegation?

We're not talking about spending for one's leisure. I think it's safe to assume most people enjoy following competitions where all sides can actually compete. (Y'know, hence the term. ;P) I wouldn't enjoy watching a rich dude's McLaren race a bunch of Civics and Corollas--unless I'm in that rich dude's possy. (Okay, maybe a bit exaggerated, but you get the point.)

As for Abramovich almost buying Spurs...I'm just glad I'm not in a position where I'd need to rationalise being a fan of a sugar daddy club...'cause I fakkin love Spurs, so I would. ;P
Does net spend factor in players sold? I'm sure Madrid have spent more than that, Bale, Kroos, Rodriguez. .
@Kalopsia: Yes, it factors sales too.
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Dumb question haha what is net spend?
Gross spend is how much you have spent altogether.
Net spend would be how much you have spent taking away the sales you have made.

Gross income- total income you get.
Net income- the income you actually receive once all the taxes and expenses etc. etc. have been taking away.
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Cheers for that FayJay! That makes sense now.
The only thing that consolidates me about the booming capital investments being made in football is one thing.

No. of footballers talented enough to play in the CL > No. of footballers currently playing in the champions league.

As long as spurs stay near that CL spot, the breed of players we attract are brilliant players. Mind you.. that is only one thing out of the 1000 things that don’t consolidate me about football.
Well, it's only a matter of time before yoyr club and ours get bought by some sugar daddy, and besides, I'd rather not risk having the likes of Crystal Palace or West Ham in the CL where they'd make a joke out of our entire league. Besides, if we don't spend, the gap between our league's best and the likes of Bayern, Barca and Madrid will expand further. So it's the lesser of 2 evils imo.
We don't sell our players for profit. We lost scholes Neville Rio vidic evra O'Shea brown berbatov giggs Hargreaves etc in the last 5 seasons for probably 10 million. There are more i missed im sure, but you get the idea. We lost those squad players for nada and paid big money for replacements. Some cases we overpaid by a huge amount. Most of those who left retired, left on free or were way too old to get any decent fee from. I bet our gross and net were fairly close in the last 5 seasons. Not sure if this includes ronaldo sale though.
Don't know about you guys but I think Dembele will work in the scheniderpin position,not sure if anyone remembers how well he tackles and win playing deep can retain possession brilliantly,he should play in the middle imo,any thoughts on this opinion?
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Retaining possession? I suppose keeping the ball and not passing it to anyone counts as that. Looking at the way we have set-up so far, we have a ball-winning midfielder alongside a player who recycles possession as quickly as possible. Unless the manager intends to radically change his set-up, I personally can't see Dembele well suited to either of the centre midfield roles.
I agree with WHR, I honestly don't think we've seen the best of Dembele yet. I just hope he can get over his injury problems. Dembele and Bentaleb are the closet players we currently have to a Schneiderlin type player imo. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Bentaleb progresses under Poch especially!
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When we first got Dembele, it was widely misunderstood that he was our Modric replacement but of course in actual fact he wasn't.

I get what you mean Suraj, he takes too long on the ball and that used to infuriate me as well. However, he is the most gifted midfielder we have in terms of keeping the ball. He has the innate ability to simply glide past players, combine that with his strength and he is the perfect player to recycle possession. I have faith that Poch can bring the best out of him if he's given a chance. We don't need him to be our playmaker as we have an abundance of creativity on the field.
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Suraj your comment seems fairly derogatory to Dembelé, who has been key to our play since he arrived. He had the best passing accuracy in the league the other season I believe about 95%
So yeah, that would be ball retention. Simpler passes maybe - but elaborate risky through balls wouldn't be his remit in the system.
He also switched play to other flanks on numerous occasions, and he is incredibly hard to shake off the ball,again retaining possession. Great tackler too. He is our most dynamic central midfielder imo and just an all round sensible, solid player.
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@Andy: It was not meant to be derogatory. His quality of ball-retention with no quick passes slows the game down and he isn't exactly the best at pressing(injuries or otherwise). Just doesn't have the skill set IMO to play in the current set-up. As an individual, I think he is technically better than all our current centre-mids. It's a team game though. His contributions at times are far more detrimental than productive to an attack.
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If the Dembele from his first season with us were to show up, he'd be great for the pressing/recycling role. He was awesome at winning/keeping the ball, gliding past players and laying off to wingers/AM's. Unfortunately, as AVB lost the plot and injuries nagged, we never really got back the Moose of 2012-13. I agree, even then he could have laid the ball off quicker. Still, look on and remember when he was key in our midfield...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkbJ1ctW6eo
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6kWelO4xXGo

This is exact to my point..
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Where is he anyway?
Dembele was quite important to us last season. He was the only midfielder looking to distribute play. Not every mid can slide a pass down to the striker. There are players who are given the role of dictating tempo and spreading play. This is where those who want Schneiderlin come to the fore, because the time he takes to pick out a pass is much faster than Dembele's, and he picks out better passes as well. But that doesn't diminish Dembele's role. I'd go on to say that before Eriksen started taking the limelight in the latter parts of the season, Dembele was our only half decent midfielder last season.
Talksport saying Spurs turned down £10m bid from Saints for Townsend,but are prepared to listen to offers from Holtby.

There must be something about him that managers don't like, if 3 managers in a row deem him surplus. He's probably a joker who mucks about in training or team tactics meetings...because his on pitch attitude is right.
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10m for Townsend! what a joke, I hope he starts next weekend, he looked sharp when he came on against West Ham.
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Or maybe its talksport and, as with all their articles, we take it with a pinch of salt.
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This was actually in their on-air news bulletin, not just an article.
I hear what you're saying, salt needed, just reporting what I heard on way to work as I know many/most on here aren't from UK.
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Andy's post is accurate SSN reported it as well. .

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9427276/transfer-news-spurs-reject-southampton-bid-for-andros-townsend
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We can't afford to let Townsend go (yet), especially without letting Poch take a fair crack at training him. This is his make or break year though, if he doesn't perform this year (any injuries aside) then I feel he isn't up to the task.

We sold Caulker for 9m, no way we would let a homegrown talent winger go for around the same price. Would be double at least.
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Unless someone offers 15+ for Townsend, he's not going anywhere.
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Why the heck do they want to sell Holtby... If they sell him... I will flip my table!
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25mil pound for Townsend minimum. Young homegrown English player with potential. Has looked much better so far this season than last.
Just media bullshit about managers not liking Holtby.

1) AVB played him a decent bit in Europa. He formed a good partnership with Defoe there.

2) Sherwood refused to learn the team and shoved "I don't know the players" in our face every opportunity he got. Less to do with Holtby, and more to do with the incompetence of Sherwood.

3) Rene wanted him at Fulham, and loaned him. Played him a decent bit too. Unfortunately, Fulham's owners had a brain fart and sacked him to bring in Felix. Now Felix had issues with Holtby at Schalke when they were there together, which is actually why Holtby refused to sign a new contract with them. Of course he's not going to play Holtby there.

4) There's nothing apart from media "sources" and "itk" to say that Holtby isn't liked. He's been a non stop feature in the Pre-season tour, played a variety of positions and did well everywhere. Media comes out and says 11 players are for sale, which Poch rubbishes. And they now pick on Holtby, and we're back talking about managers not liking him. This is basically tabloid bullshit winning.

Townsend? Deserves one last season to prove himself under a manager who knows what he's doing. Doesn't matter if they offer 20 million pounds. No more overt chops and changes.
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'no mistakes' Sneijderlin getting mugged for the Liverpool goal..
Great assist by Henderson and first time finish from Sterling
It's difficult to judge him now, especially when he hasn't trained for the team. Give him a few games to get back into match fitness.

Remember when we denied Modric going to Chelsea, he did poorly the first few games for us before his sulk was truly over and he got some form back when the window was closed.
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Yeah. He did play pretty well tbh.
Southampton were unlucky, had the better chances.
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Well I don't want him anyway,but as well as that if he's now playing I'm pretty sure they won't be selling him
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lol. I think Morgan would be excellent for us as no one currently on roster fills the pressing/recycling role as well as he does, but we'll make due with who we have. One of Bentelab/Holtby/Paulinho/Dembele will fill the bill.
"He's a player of Southampton," Koeman told reporters. "He changed his mind, he changed his mentality. He showed us that last week - he's a key player."

Yeah, I can't see it happening.
Looks like we'll appeal Naughton's red card. .
I'd rather see Dier continue at RB and Vertonghen return to central defence. Of course when Walker's fit then I'd have Kaboul out of the team and Dier back at CB.
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Yeah I agree, he looks very comfortable on the ball. Kaboul just got bullied throughout that game. When Noble burst into the box in the second half I was just holding by breath expecting Kaboul to do something stupid (Thank goodness he didn't)
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Even if we switch up our backs, I'd still like it if we appealed the card. We can keep alive our streak of getting straight reds overturned on appeal...
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@footballdoc you want Diet ahead of kaboul after 2 decent games?bit much
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@WHR: I want Dier ahead of Kaboul. No, not because he had 2 decent games but because Kaboul has been pretty awful for a long, long time.
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I want to see Kaboul play against Limassol and see if he does any better than he did on Saturday.
The defense I want is



Davies Vert/Kaboul/Dier/Walker.
One of them is likely to be out at a time, but hopefully not.
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Two man defense? Gutsy :D
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