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I am getting worried about all these Schneiderlin + Rodrigez rumours.

After extensive reading (of opinions in this forum) and several online articles about Scheiderlin; as I did not pay enough attention to him myself last season, I have been persuaded that this is indeed a good purchase. But will definitely be to the detriment of Capoue and Sandro, most likely Sandro; whom I love for his passion and support for Spurs but is hampered by injuries and has been unable to get a good full season behind him.

But Rodrigez I cannot get my head around. He is british; yes, talented; yes, young (ish); yes, had a good season last year; yes. Seems to tick all the boxes, except that he is injured...
We buy him now and he gets his fitness back and doesn't get his form back until next season. What then? Whether or not he is talented or has potential, he is not worth the price or the hassle at the moment if he is still out with his knee injury. If it was an ankle sprain, different story, but you can never tell with ACL injuries, he could have a set-back and not return until mid 2015. And when he does return he might take another year to get his form back.

Get Schneiderlin as Pochetino will be able to utilise him to his full potential and will have no problem fitting into the team or the league. But save the money on Rodrigez please... I'd rather we give Townsend the chance until the Winter window to prove himself. And jst to be clear, I detest the hype surrounding Townsend and his "I'm the next Bale, let me run and shoot at every opportunity" attitude. But that is just how much I do not want Rodrigez this summer.

If these deals do get pulled off, then I hope Poch, and especially the medical staff, know what they are doing and get Rodrigez up and running as quickly as possible.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/07/29/4990742/-?

First Goal.com article that is a really good read, that I've seen in a long time. Good comparisons between Rodriguez, Schneiderlin and our current team.
Walker Kaboom verts Davies
schniederlin Eriksen
lennon soldaldo lamella
Adey

I honestly think sold should play as a number 10 for his all round play!!! (bit like (vdv) been saying it for ages..
No way! Lamela should occupy that number 10 role, I'm confident come the start of the season that's where he'll play. With Eriksen and Lennon occupying the positions either side of him.
I get what you mean but soldaldo`s all round play is fantastic and I believe more effective than lamela in that position. Maybe when lamela gets a full season under his belt he can play as a 10 but I rly think soldaldo would do well in that position.
--------------------------Lloris--------------------------
-Walker----------Kaboul-------------Verty-----------Davies
-----------------Schneid------Capoue----------------------
-Lamela----------------Eriksen-----------Lennon/Rodriguez
--------------------Soldado/Adebayor------------------------

Subs: Vorm, Chiriches, Holtby, Sandro, Townsend, Soldado/Ade, Lennon/Rodriguez

-------------------------Vorm---------------------------
-Naughton---------Capoue---------Chiriches-----------Rose
-----------------Sandro----------Dembele-----------------
-Townsend----------------Holtby---------------------Chadli
---------------------Soldado/Ade--------------------------

Subs: Soldado/Ade, Lloris, Kaboul, Eriksen, Kane, Lamela, Lennon

The depth is incredible, but the new-found importance of Europa requires this number of players (not to mention the domestic cups).

Thoughts? Take these formations with a pinch of salt, as we're slightly blind at this point as to which players work better in Poch's system.
Lloris
Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Davies
Schniederlin Holtby
Lamela Eriksen Rodriguez
Soldado

COYS!
Dembelé for Holtby.
Seems very underrated in this forum
has Lamela been involved in pre-season much? Do you think he'll be a regular first teamer/starter this coming season?
He's looked very sharp, as long as he keeps working hard I don't see why not :) I'd play him in behind the striker though instead of Eriksen.
It's his pressing that's so crucial for this system to work imo, watch that first half of the Toronto game and watch his work rate off the ball. Closing players down ahead of the midfield. .
I think Dembele has started to frustrate Andy. His dribbling skills and strength are fantastic, but his passing is slightly limited, he rarely looks for a 1-2 after passing and he seems hesitant to shoot. I would love to see Poch develop him into an absolute beast, but he needs to prove himself before starting over Holtby.
Fantastic spectacle match when we beat Southampton away last season 3-2. Great to see their dominant pressing style but also our sturdy resilience and counter-attacks.

Also features Rodriguez and Schneiderlin (I'm currently playing 'spot the mistake' with the latter)

Also shows Bentaleb's debut, Adebayor's revival under Sherwood and some fantastic play by Lallana and Chambers (regrettably Arsenal's new Right-Back).

Rodriguez is kept quiet by Walker all match (the latter has a great game) so its not the greatest indicator of Rodriguez's talents.

http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/england/premier-league/southampton-vs-tottenham-hotspur
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Haha! Let me know Paddy when you find some.
Was just going through his stats. He looks like the direct Sandro replacement. A fitter player though, which could be the key factor.
http://theboyhotspur.com/morgan-schneiderlin-done/?

When Harry says its done, its done. I am thrilled. I can't wait to see him in a lilywhite shirt, a guy I've been raving about for a couple of years, but at the same not wanting the other big teams to notice him too much.

I'm convinced he's a class above not only our DMs, but above most (if not all) in the league.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/28/southampton-morgan-schneiderlin-jay-rodriguez-tottenham?
This is an odd bit of business, but I like what MoPo has been doing. He must have plans to dismiss a flock of our CM's...there's just no way we can support all of them.

Dembele
Paulinho
Sandro
Holtby
Capoue
Bentelab
Mason
Carroll
Schneiderlin

Who stays and who goes?
Just do a Chelsea and send em out on loan lol


I will argue that Paulinho doesn't fit into Pochettino's system. His fitness was one of the worst in our team last term and his attitude was temperemental. He will most likely be sold.

I really hope Dembele stays. His potential is incredible, and I just hope that Pochettino can get the most out of him.

2/3 of Bentaleb, Carroll and Mason should get a loan, depending on who MoPo sees as most useful for the upcoming season.

Therefore, we're left with Dembele, Sandro, Capoue and Holtby battling it out for two positions (although I believe that Holtby should be played higher up the pitch from time to time). That is healthy competition in my eyes, and required quality for a PL top team.

Over the past two seasons, Schneiderlin made more interceptions - 208 - and tackles - 259 - than any other player in the Premier League.

He also made NO defensive errors last season. None!
I disagree on Paulinho's fitness. He is fitter than Sandro and Dembele combined. He had played constantly with no breaks for 2 years at a stretch. There were bound to be effects of it on his body. It's an altogether different question whether we signed a good player who is going through a bad patch currently, or we signed a bad player who was going through a good patch last season or 2.
Based on his career so far, the jury is out on that.

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Suraj, he has been blessed with almost no injuries, whereas Sandro and Dembele have been plagued with them. When Sandro and Dembele are on the pitch, in my opinion they run twice as fast as him.

With regards to his general form, I wasn't impressed with Paulinho's play (which I watched a lot of) in the Confederations cup in 2013 (before we bought him) or the World Cup recently. He failed to manage the pace of European football when he went to Poland and Lithuania, and in my opinion, English football hasn't been much difference.

We see his runs into the box, looking for the cross, but we fail to notice the huge gaps that he leaves while doing this. I think his passing is fairly average, although I will say his positioning and set-play threat is fantastic.

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You don't see too many players get sold after one season, I agree with Paddy in regards to Schneiderlin, I think he's a class above what we currently have. I'm like Paddy as well I've wanted us to sign this guy for a while now (expecting one of the bigger clubs to snatch him up) He'd be a huge signing. I'm also interested to see how Bentaleb progresses under Poch. I have to say I think Sando's gone. .
Ben Smith BBC - "My understanding is that Jay Rodriguez has already agreed terms with Spurs after the clubs met in Toronto last week".
You weren't impressed in Confed cup in 2013? I wonder how he managed to win the 3rd best player of the tournament award then. :P

I was genuinely impressed and worried Chelsea might actually hijack the deal.

I am not questioning he was awful, just questioning who has been fitter.

Injuries take time to recover and so does Fatigue. A fully fit guy playing for 2 years in a row with little or no breaks is bound to look lethargic at times.

Comparing 2 players who were used sparingly to someone who played non-stop? Who is likely to look fresher?
I wasn't impressed with his midfield play Suraj. He scored vital goals for Brazil, which won him the 3rd prize, but I didn't see the sort of quick-thinking and fast passing that's required for the PL.

"A fully fit guy playing for 2 years in a row with little or no breaks is bound to look lethargic at times".
I don't see where you're going with this. How many players play for 2 years in a row with little to no breaks? Countless.

There's a slight self-contradiction in your last couple of paragraphs Suraj mate :)
What is this season's formation going to look like? I'll try and point out the roles expected (in my very limited research into the playing style based on pre-season games):

ST: Link up man. Don't be expecting fireworks from the ST. We're not going to see a Defoe kind of striker who runs towards the goal and unleashes a dangerous shot. The ST is expected to look up and see if there are any players beside him that are in a better position to score. He is going to have one player dropping close to him as a makeshift ST on several occasions, and the ST will have as many goals as assists. It is a very tough role to play, but all three of our current strikers are pretty good at this. Adebayor needs to work on his passing a bit more, and Soldado needs to work on some confidence in his finishing. Team game is the name of the game, even for strikers.


The 3 CAMs: It is basically exactly that. We're playing 3 CAMs, who roam around with the striker like there's no tomorrow. They're going to switch and slide all over the pitch, and they'll need a very good understanding of each other. Take a look at the pre-season pics. Lamela, Soldado, Eriksen, Falque and Holtby are all pictured together more often than not. They're players expected to understand each other and form a partnership. If the RW moves out wide, then the LW becomes an LF, the CAM drops a little to be ready to mark a counter, and the ST becomes an RF. The RB joins the RW to give two options for a cross or a through ball, keeping the opponents guessing about what option we'll take.

The CDMs: Not B2B. LCDM, RCDM. One will drop back to be just ahead of the RCB and LCB, while the other will cover for the wing back who bombs forward. If the LB bombs forward, the RCDM will drop to the middle, the RB will remain as an RWB and the LCDM will cover for the LB counter. We'll in effect, be prepared for a counter, and the LB becomes the LW, freeing the LW to become an LF or CAM, and the CAM to join up and try and head the ball in.


That's our system in my opinion. Incredibly fluid with some sensible defense in place. Really looking forward to this season. The kind of football I like to see. Very attacking, and intelligent. There'll be less flashy shots from 30 yards, more of working the ball into the box and tapping the ball in. Team play above all else. Those who put in the hard work will become incredibly good. Those who tend to dally around will be sold really quickly imo.
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Fantastic analysis Mags, I'm as excited as you are. And this time, I have a feeling its not just blind lilywhite optimism.
Jesus MAg! We haven't even got the personnel yet. :P
I agree Mag. That is exactly the setup I see Poch playing with Spurs. Looking at that formation I honestly think we are just one quality AM away from being a very dangerous team. Preferably someone who naturally cuts inside with his movement.
Schneiderlin vs Arsenal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6duJrzSqSxM

Big old Morgan compilation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgNLzbdya8

And him putting Toure on his arse tehe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0BxCU1Qk0
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PA reports claim we are close to signing Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. They are usually spot on(as far as I have seen). Must mean one of our centre mids has a good offer on the table. Risky move on Jay Rod(Fantastic player still). Feeling sorry for the Saints, if true.
Yeah I can't understand the J-Rod purchase - who knows what he'll be like during/after recovery. Also, I'm not convinced he's an upgrade on Chadli (although he's leagues better than Townsend).

The Schneiderlin link is...another big question mark. Is he considered a DM or B2B in Poch's system? If he's a DM and will give competition to Capoue/Sandro that's fine, but I bet one of those two will end up being sold. If he's B2B, we have Dembele/Paulinho/Holtby/Bentelab/Mason/Carroll who are competing for that spot...so at least 2 of those youngsters will be gone (loan/sold) and at least 1 senior player, possibly 2 (most likely lil Paul and Dembele).

It'd be great if we were making moves for CB's instead :D
I don't think they had any CB's to offer, so we settled for these 2. :P

I am not sure what Chadli gives us. I honestly think Townsend will give the team more than Chadli will. Rodriguez(a fit one) is a definite upgrade on Chadli.

He was the leader in tackles and interceptions in top-5 leagues apparently(true to a certain extent I suppose) and ocassionally makes runs into the box. He is an upgrade on our current mids tbh. Not sure how we will manage to offload so many mids without taking a huge hit, if this deal goes through first.
lol paulinho to juve would make me very happy :D

but yeah probably not going to get vidal either way.
Chadli gets involved with team play, makes decent link up passing, has a physical presence and gets back to defend. Townsend loses possession 9 times out of ten. I simply don't see what gets people excited about Townsend. I would love him to prove me wrong, but all he seems to care about is putting his head down and sprinting for the corner flag.

So I ask- what does Townsend bring to the team? I just don't get it.
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Completely agree, Isnot. Chadli's more intelligent, stronger, a better finisher, and a goal threat. If he manages to stay fit for at least 3/4 of the season I'm confident Poch is gonna get him to perform a lot better.
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Chadli has shown a lot more in both attack and defense than Townsend. We're so wrapped up in the "replacement for Bale" hysteria, that we expect to see Townsend be the next Bale. Fact is, he's done very little apart from run around and beat a few players before losing the ball to some rubbish decisions. He's got a lot to prove.

You've seen what Lamela is trying to do this pre-season? Jay Rod is the exact symmetrical opposite, doing the same thing on the left hand side of the pitch. When the ball's with the RB, RCDM or RM, he'll drift up front alongside the striker to wait for a cross or a through ball and try and give space to the striker by splitting defenders between them. He's a very intelligent player, and a decent header of the ball as well.

Schneiderlin is a ball retriever + distributor. He makes some incredible interceptions and tackles, and then has the vision to pass the ball by spreading it out wide. Think of him somewhere between Sandro and Dembele, but with the interceptions of Sandro and the Sideways passing of Dembele. I'm seriously worried about Sandro if this is true, but I'm hoping its Paulinho who gets the kick.

Also, I don't expect we'll see B2B play this season.
Agree with your last post Suraj

....Even though Footytube has time shifted me above the comment I agree with :-P
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I don't expect Townsend to be the next Bale ! lol.

Chadli's preference is to play as a CAM and his agent was whining publicly in january about the same. As a no.10 he is nowhere near what we already have. Townsend, on the other hand, has the attributes for a good winger IMO. If Poch can get him playing to his abilities and do something about his selfish/questionable decision-making, he will do better than what Chadli CAN offer us.

It's a big IF with townsend but a homegrown(club grown) player(they do count for a lot) with potential is far more important to the team than a player in a position which already has more able replacements within the team.

That's the difference between potential and what we have at present. Any argument in favour of Townsend has to come under the assumption that he can stop being so selfish and look up when he passes/crosses. So far, I haven't seen a single inclination of that. So far, I must say after LB and CB, the position that we are weakest in imo is LM. Chadli, Townsend and Lennon playing LM are nowhere good enough for us to have a constant attacking threat down the left.
Andros is 23. This is the age when a winger should be starting to hit their peak and showing what they can do as opposed to their 'potential.' Maybe I'm too harsh, but I don't feel sentimental about his home grown nature - a lot of that comes from the way he plays, which is selfish and detrimental to the team.

Chadli is a year older and already contributes much more to the team. I guess I'm out of the loop, but I never saw him whinging to be played center, just that he's played there as well. I'm not saying he's the best and only option at LW, but I think he contributes both variety from what we have and is a team player. He's a very decent squad player.

Also, I'm curious as to who are the other LW's in the squad? Chadli is like our 1 actual LW. Townsend wants to play on the right so he can do his best Bale/Robben impression before he loses possession. Eriksen, Holtby, Lennon are advanced players out of position on the left. If anything, Chadli is more similar to J-Rod than anyone else in the squad, perhaps with a bit more skill on the ball and lacking the scoring record in the EPL.

Like I said, I don't get the Townsend love. I trust Levy/Baldini to keep count of the # of homegrown players we have/need, and don't see a reason to keep a player who only cares about himself. (I view Rose in the same category, by the way).
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I see in Townsend crazy speed, two very good feet and great shooting ability. When he wants to pass, he also passes very well. When he wants to cross, he can cross very well.

His decision making is just shocking. Much like Dembele, I'm frustrated our previous coaches haven't improved him noticeably, although one could argue that he's been unlucky with injuries recently.

At the moment, Chadli is better. I still believe Townsend could become world class.
Chadli is better? Question being is Chadli's best anywhere near good enough? Chadli is much of a winger as Eriksen is. He CAN play there but would rather not.
On the contrary, townsend has played on the left in his youth days and was converted to the right full time(quoting his own father here) only during the AVB reign. He saw potential in him as an inverted winger and decided/instructed to use him on the right wing.

Frankly, I rate neither currently.
Townsend because his decision making is of a 5 year old.
Chadli because I don't think he can play at the premier league pace/tempo. He is a skillful player no doubt but think he will suit Serie A tempo a lot more than ours.
Lol. I think we've hit an impasse.

Yes, I do rate Chadli more than Townsend. No, I don't think he's a shoe-in for the first team. Yes, he is a LW in addition to a #10, and played there consistently in his career before moving to Tottenham. Yes, I think he is a decent squad player and I'm interested to see if he works in Poochy's system. No, Townsend was played on the right by 'Arry at QPR and scored some sensational goals - all of which were by him ignoring his teammates and sprinting towards the flag with his head down. He has not since been able to repeat the success at the same rate, probably because teams have caught on and know how to defend him.

And yes, I see Chadli having more use in MoPo's system than Townsend. I would love it if Townsend was loaned out (maybe to Soton? I hear they need players) look super impressive, and then come back and score 20 goals.

I just feel like people remember his loan spell at QPR and want him to do that for us. Teams don't give Tottenham space behind like they do QPR. He had space to run into and space to run at defenders. He has simply never shown that he has interest in playing on a team, and you can tell every time he gets the ball and sprints for the corner flag.

But it's clear we disagree! Thas cool. I hope they're both awesome this season and we see them score 1 million for us :D
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AVB played townsend on the right before Arry. Peace. :P
Lolz. You're right- I forgot about his cup runs in the fall :D
Verty pleased to be offered a 5 year contract.. Bonus! Hasn't signed yet though.


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