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we really do lack pace. all over the pitch we have slow or immobile players. time and time again mirales and coleman in particular were running away from shinji, buttner and whoever else while our attackers like mata and nani and shinji couldn't go by anyone in open space. mata in particular was dispossessed way too often today while nani didn't create much of anything (long injury layoff, shouldn't expect too much anyways). also, against the counter, fletcher and carrick were just chasing shadows.

i never knew how quick coleman was, though i knew about his stamina. he continuously left markers for dead on the break. provided a great pass for mirales' goal but honestly we were unorganized and had too many gaps today at the back. made it easy for them.

when we went on a counter today our players eventually got hawked down and lost possession or had to play a backpass. when everton broke there was more space and they were mostly getting to our final third with ease due to their pace and direct play (lukaku was by and large very good as a target man today). also did well in wide areas; their crosses were finding men while ours were dealt with comfortably by stones and distin. all those tiny cams and rooney really had no chance in the air and the short passing wasn't yielding chances either because they were compact and organized.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/9275795/premier-league-roberto-martinez-hails-everton-players-after-win-over-manchester-united

watch the interview. very interesting comments. we dominated possession and everton just kept countering but that was not their intent, thats not what they practiced leading up to this game. they had to adapt to us, which is interesting to hear given baines' comments earlier in the week about moyes being reactive and martinez being unyielding in attacking philosophy. the way they attacked it looked as though that was their plan all along, at least in the second half, but they found a way to cope early on and in the second half they were very convincing on the break.

so we've gone for the possession based game the last couple of league matches. works well vs the small teams but we keep getting punished by the teams with some quality because our defense is s**t, particularly against sides with pace and width, meanwhile we are not passing or moving with enough pace to stretch teams.

there's been a lot of talk of moyes being too negative and reactive but he played lots of technical attacking players today and we gave it a go. we just couldn't find the right pass in the final third, but that takes time to develop, and sometimes it just doesnt work and you need a plan b. however, if you want a change in style you have to keep at it so i dont think we should give up with that approach. thats what takes time to develop and why actual transition periods are needed. maybe if we had played like this all season we would have mastered this strategy by now.

i felt moyes made appropriate changes as well, bringing on strikers (added some pace and directness, chicha created our best chance of the match), taking out the fatigued players, trying to add some width and pace valencia from a fullback position etc.. but defenders cost us the match. once everton got the penalty everton they knew they could just sit back and hit us on the break. it was always going to be tough and the couple of chances we did create, rooney (or smalling) fluffed badly. game would have been finely poised if we had taken on of our chances and made it 2-1.

long-winded comment but generally we needed a bit of pace and direct running today in the wide areas. more importantly, we needed some organization and composure in defense.the defense really screwed us over. not only were the handball and the failed offside trap poor decisions, time and time again we were beaten in the air by lukaku and the second ball put us on the back foot over and over and their pacy players had all the time and space in the world on the break.

so areas to work on: we need some pace in the wide areas. a goal scorer but more importantly someone who can run in behind to stretch the defense.

get a cb who is athletic and can win the ball in the air

find a suitable rb cover for rafa and get in a lb who has pace and can defend reliably.

finally, get someone more athletic to shield the defense. carrick was a spectator today. his forward passes were not very accurate and he did not do a good enough job shielding the defense on the counter. he's been very ineffective this season in most games imo. fletch showed good energy and had some good moments with retaining possession but he's really lacking some pace.

none of these should come as a shock but i think today's game highlighted these issues very clearly. everton score two goals way too easily based on poor defending on our part, and then hit us on the counter over and over again exposing our lack of pace in certain key areas.
I was in hiatus for 4 days and was out of touch from the football world. I came back home surprised to see Real Madrid beat Barca without Ronaldo but I wasn't surprised to see Everton beat us thats for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjFtct4O5s

LOYAL AND PASSION
What some fans are lacking
Hey guys i have been thinking all night and realized the best way to save ourselves from this situation. Stay positive at all times, no matter what, and if you so much as dare to be negative (regardless of how much evidence you have to back that negativity up), don't be negative lest you annoy the rest of us positive folk.
Thank you, and good night
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One way of changing a negative is by adding a positive :)
^ Maybe cheshire is trying to be positive by adding more negative to negative ? :P
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Sorry but that would only be making it more negative :(
Even though we are in transition, I expected better. The players have an ineffective gameplan. Defensively yes we were playing like crap. But the attack is what I'm worried about most, I mean we probably had like one clear chance the whole game, and it came in the late stages. Playing too many players with a playmaker mentality is stupid. We need goalscorers. Fight for top 4 spot? We can't even fight for Europa league spot lmao.
ASHLEY YOUNG FFS WHY YOU HAVE TO DO THAT ITS ALL YOUR DAMN FAULT!!
If this guy is not a troll then i am Mickey Mouse
Well, I guess it was a good thing I didn't tell my brother in the hospital to watch the game.... he would have been pissed beyond measure
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I made the mistake of reading play-by-play at work. Should have known better than to get riled up for nothing
Story of this season. 1 step or no steps forward, and then 2 steps back. Unbelievable, to have the stupid meyseyside teams outplay us in this fashion, both home and away really tells you the story of how bad it has been. Just for liverpool winning the league alone, id fire moyes on the spot. Simple as that.
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Tbf I thought we were the far better side at Old Trafford against Everton, particularly in the second half and I don't think we deserved to get beat at Anfield neither but we didn't offer much ourselves.

But our record against the top 6 this season has been abysmal, absolutely abysmal, 6 points from a possible 36, only 1 win and 6 goals scored in 12 games.
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i dont care if moyes stays on and wins 10 premierships in a row for us but if liverpool win the league i can never forgive him because of this moment right now and how shitty i feel, in both games against liverpool we played as if we were a relegation battling side we handed them six easy points im not gonna say he should go or leave cuz quite frankly im not sure what is best for the club but all i know is that i can never forget this moment
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I dont think he can get 10 points in a row let alone 10 premierships. Far better managers could have been appointed, but now we are past that point and we should look to change and bring a new manager with credentials and a CV that says i will win no matter what.
I know emotions are getting better of us but blaming Moyes for Liverpool winning the PL is quite silly. They have been great throughout the season and have won against the likes of City, Arsenal, Everton when those teams were in form so its not like us losing handed them the title. Could we had done better?..ofcourse without doubt but in no way did we control on what Liverpool achieved this season.
Liverpool are currently leading the race cause they have been the best team in the league.
Moyes is responsible for Liverpool wining the league. If he won his game at Old Trafford and got any king of result at Anfield (both scenarios are valid and possible) Liverpool wouldn't be in the driving seat for the title Chelsea or City would. The fact Moyes let Liverpool take 6 point from us has helped Liverpool almost win the League.
Yep Moyes gave both merseyside clubs 12 points this season.
Am I the only one who's slowly starting to not give a damn? I just don't care anymore.

I get my hopes up every week only to have them crushed by Moyes and a bunch of underperforming players who look like they forgot how to play football.

I'm going to start watching another sport, like curling or bowling or something lol
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I've become quite numb to everything that's happened this season as well, so much bad s**t in quick succession its hard to feel any more disappointment.

It's probably why I just don't give a s**t if Liverpool win the league, a bit off topic but its been talked about quite a bit on here and honestly it just wont bother me at all, we've had too much disappointment on our end to care about anyone else.

Either way something's got to give this summer mate, either a clear out and a good 4+ signings to give Moyes a real stamp on the squad or if his position has become untenable then sack him.

I don't think there is a middle ground in all honesty, either we throw our full weight behind him or just cut our losses now. No point messing around, we're well past that point now.
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Watch motor sports. It helps that the loud engines block out the incoming calls from your friends to laugh at yet another embarrassing performance.
I know your feel bro. Last two seasons I was probably more interested in my fantasy league team than the EPL itself...
Yep, towards the end of last season there was nothing to really play for but pride. Definitely was more focused on my fantasy team lol.
P.S. I won my league too :)
At least Ashley Young was nowhere to be seen today.
f**k it, lets blame him too.
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4
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18
7
10
35
12
36
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51
47
17
9
9
35
13
36
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43
34
18
6
10
34
14
35
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49
35
17
8
9
34
15
33
-11
51
40
12
15
6
33
16
32
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56
28
19
8
8
35
17
30
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31
19
9
7
35
18
30
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77
35
23
3
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33
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8
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