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Would love to see us throw an academy product in the starting XI each matchday. You never know what you might find, who might inject something new into the team, and this method fits our "no plan required" mantra that the club seems to have adopted lol
https://twitter.com/utdstreet/status/1062425953207500800


this is surprisingly accurate to how i react unfortunately
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Holly fok Fellaini just shawed his afro! :O
Nooo what, Jose has to sell him now
Proof or lies
LOL
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11553942/manchester-uniteds-marouane-fellaini-loses-fro-ahead-of-31st-birthday
He will bench next match due to lack of height
He will never be the same.
Focusing our attention away from the blame game for a minute, what do you think is going on with Baily? He started so well and looked like he is going to be a world beater when he matures but has since lost his spot to Smalling and Lindelof.
He’s a right footed player. He cannot play in the left CB spot. And for right spot Mou prefers Smalling
Even Lindelof is a right footed player but probably decent with the left foot .
Rojo is the only left sided defender but he is a perma crock

we need a complete overhaul of the defence, this s**t aint working at all.
Its probably easy to start a new club and create a winning squad than fix the massive holes in our squad. There is just no direction and sense of purpose what so ever
Baily has been shocking the last couple of times i have seen him. Looks like he needs more time to be a regular. I think young players like him and Lindelof could use the help of leader at the back which we dont have.
he needs minutes imo. he has been bad the last few times out, i think he was overconfident at first and making some terrible decisions and being rash, but is now short on confidence and tends to ball-watch in the last few games i saw.
I agree overconfidence verging on arrogance was his issue. On one hand, we have Smalling who gets rid of the ball without thinking at all like is a grenade and on the other hand, Baily sometimes tried to do too much for the CB. I am not giving up on him just yet though, he will be amazing to watch when he finds his form.
Been a "lurker" here for almost 10 years and I think it was time to finally make an account and join the discussion about my favorite team :D Baily is going to cost us a few games with his rash decisions, but I have a hard time believing we can just buy a top-defender (who?) who is going instantly to make our defense better. Just look at City and their many top-defenders who either made it over time or didn't make it. I think we should give Baily some time as he has everything we need + he's young and he's (hopefully) a good match with Lindelof who also took some time to settle. We don't know what happens in the training sessions, but we have to think a bit long term as we're no matter what not near being able to challenge for the title anyway. Many of our players are not bad, they just don't play well together.
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Well the rumors are that Baily and Mourinho have had a falling out.
Must admit I thought bailly and lindelof had high pass completion %, so I'm confused why mou keeps saying he needs a ball playing cb. Does he just want a CM playing back there?
assuming the rumors are true Jose had a falling out with the whole team and staff so far , wouldnt pay much attention to those.
I agree about Bailly, i thing giving time he will come good and be our main cb for years , Lidelof on the other hand has shown improvement considering his poor form last year, his also a good ball playing cb and will pair well with Eric whos more of a stopper BUT right now we need a quick fix , someone solid with experience like Toby Alderwatever ,Bonnuci, Boateng;Hummels that will slot right in and improve that back 4 coz we cant go on like this and expect to be up there with the likes of City, plus its so foking painfull to watch man.
Godin , Toby ,Bonnuci, Boateng , Hummels all will be 30+ ..Are you sure you guys need temporary one season fix like Zlatan again or someone like Stones , Laporte , Rudiger or VVD etc to build a team for next 4/5 years atleast?

Bailey and Lindelof are actually pretty good pair if use well...if a CB pair has to sit back and soak pressure for literally 90min they will obviously make mistake be it Godin , Bonnuci or anyone for that matter.
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Zlatan was one of our best signings. If he didn't have a freak injury I would put him right there with rvp. He was unmatched in the air, unmatched in touch and link up play. Ibra is the cf we desperately need. Too bad he's almost 40.

Peps defenders don't do much defending, they are there to play out the back and clean up whatever gets by the midfield press.

Maybe that would work against older defenders but we just need some leadership and consistency. Defenders don't peak until early 30s so age isn't really a big deal for top defenders. Your career doesn't end at age 31.
+1
True usually defenders peak at 30...but they usually peak when they have stayed at same club since 25 and developed over a period of time....spending 50m on 30 year old would be big risk.
+1
It really is incredible though that we conceded 27 goals last season and already conceded 21 this season 12 games in. Unbelievable stat.
+2
i knew it was going to be tough this season but never imagined 12 games in we would be 8th with a goal difference of -1
+1
We played Chelsea, Spurs and City and got 1 point out of 9. Thats the problem. We cannot afford to drop points against any of the weaker teams if we have to make top 4
+1
This season we’ve not had a stable back four. Injuries add to chop and change. We look incredibly shaky at the back. DDG has no protection for many of the goals conceded.
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@James forgot we went back to negative GD after finally reaching positive number last week lol
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sorry for reminding you dude
nah, shows how little I care about the table this season :P
Btw - have to say that the interview Mourinho gave post game was quite a refreshingly honest one. He did not mince words, gave credit and also pointed out how the Juventus game had drained the team.

Without going into the quality of the players in the two teams, United were in the game right up to the 85th minute or so. Players looked tired. I am not saying that United were toe to toe, but the Juventus game definitely drained em out.
+1
wow, how could you? don't bring here facts and logic without mentioning "Mou out" or "Wenger in".

Also don't forget to add "but Liverpool and Spurs are above us and spend less" argument as well without mentioning how many cups they got for the past 10 years.
+1
When Mou won the Europa League with Man utd, the club should have backed him completely and got him the players he wanted. Instead what happened was the fool Woodward ended up arguing over 10m more what Inter was asking for Perisic, and with Real madrid over Morata.
These are amateur blunders from an amateur CEO who is only good at signing sponsorship deals. No one cares which sponsor Utd got in China.

Lukaku is a horrible player, Morata is much more accomplished with the ball at his feet even though they have similar returns in terms of goals there is no doubt that Morata offers much more. Truth is we needed both Morata and Lukaku as we didnt have any good striker (still dont)
And Perisic is still better than most of our forwards with the exception of Martial when he is on full form.

We dont have a pure finisher in the squad. Look at Aguero's goal, not one player in the squad can score a hit like that. The last players of that quality to play for Utd were Rooney and RVP
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I think Chelsea play better with giroud tbf, I think we never should rely on one striker. Don't you dare mention rashford as a suitable replacement, he doesn't even know the position. I remember his hit start with lvg but idk where that rashford has gone. Maybe he needs to go on loan.

In the big games we need our cf time provide an outlet for the press. He needs to be able to hood on to the ball and bring others into play. That's not kukakus strength.he wants to run in behind. We need a good alternative that can do the giroud role in certain games and let lukaku make his runs in behind in other games.
Lets be honest here. If Lukaku cant do it in big games for us , why should be keep him?

Regarding Rashford, i dont think he needs a loan. He just needs to be happy with being a bit part player for now. Dont let people make him believe he is already good enough to be starting for United. At 21, he has so much room to grow. He is never going to be a world class player but he can be a good player for us in 2 years or so.
Mou out! Wenger in!
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rashford wont improve (enough) here as a bit part player, not under this management. he needs proper development, proper instruction and proper gametime. i actually think he was a better player when he first made his debut, he seems so one-dimensional now, i don't see the clever one-twos and dummies and incredible sense of awareness for teammates. he just wants to sprint all the time and runs into dead ends for 90 minutes.

and lukaku did have me thinking last season that he had improved his touch, improved his linkup play, but looking how he scores for belgium, he doesn't need to be a link man to score goals if the midfield can create for him. our strikers get starved of service, it's been that way for years, i think rvp was the last striker who actually got decent service, mainly from wayne , evra and valencia. jury's out on lukaku, he's not world class but he scores lots of goals and can be a 20+ goal a season striker if we play to his strengths, if not it's a huge frustration and huge waste of money.

Looks like we are going to keep Young for another year. Perfect.
Wish we could have Mike Smalling back
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Young isn't young anymore, but hey, the club won't dish out money for a proper RB... lol.
He does what his boss asks of him. I guess he wasn't going anywhere given he has had the armband.

Are we going to get another year with the 34 year old wingers playing fullback? You can't make this stuff up.
Valencia too.
Valencia and Young are terrible defenders, at best they are second choice squad rotation players. Going forward they are not that good either, and if they go forward the entire defence gets compromised because our CBs arent that good either. The fact that they are #1 full backs and club capitain is absolutely shocking
Don't even think about going for Milner, he only plays left back
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we gonna have Young Smalling Jones and Valencia for another 10 years
On top of not only keeping him, we're doing it in exchange for first team football!

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-united/story/3699457/manchester-united-ashley-young-wants-first-team-assurances-before-signing-new-deal-sources

I mean this CAN'T be the right move. I respect the hell out of what Young has done here and the effort he's put in for the club, but come on...
espn write a lot of controversial stuff to get clicks, they are not the same level of credibility in footy (euro, foreign) as they are in america. if it's not coming from respected journalists like stone at bbc or di marzio, then it's gossip and bs usually.
Ya I don't believe that but if Young or Valencia is starting for us next season I'll be done.
I don't know what to believe anymore :/
Ok, I see most of us have accepted that City is ahead of us because we don't spend as much as them. What is our excuse when it comes to Spurs and Liverpool?
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What about Spurs and Liverpool? What have they done?
+1
Spurs and Liverpool are in the same top 4 race as we are.

Spurs haven't spent much but Liverpool have spent plenty with vvd and their keeper. That's like 150 million pound right there isn't it? That's all they needed with the form of their front 3.
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We were having same discussion in the post below...Spurs consistent top-4 back to back 4 seasons with the 1/10 the budget of big clubs. Liverpool progressed from 8th in 2016 to back to back top-4 finish , CL runner-up last season and just 2 points of City so far this season.

It would be fair to judge end of season. But for now 140m Liverpool spent on defense fixed their defensive issues...that is money well spent. Because end of day everyone is spending 70m+ on players and nobody questions as long as the signings perform to der potential and make difference to team.

I'm sure everyone trolled city's Sterling signing couple of seasons back. Also same happened to Stones...But now nobody even questions even though city paid 50m to every defender because by default they all click and perform..

If VVD and Alison had failed media would go hunt down Klopp and not Jose every post match interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXTGxllOcjY&t=329s

Listen to Zaba in this interview...he made some great points while Gary got roasted.
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Cmon guys, I appreciate your loyalty to the club and manager but spending cannot be the main reason for our lackluster performance. Spurs by that logic should be fighting the relegation battle and Liverpool with their relatively unknown front 3 just a couple of years ago should not be fighting for top 2. The fact is that we have some good players and except for this summer we generally are top 3-4 clubs in spending. A good manager should be able to turn some of these young talents into world class players. I mean Liverpool is playing Milner and Henderson in the middle, I wouldn't take those players even if they pay us to take them but somehow Klopp's system gets the best out of these players.
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Are you are talking about this season? If then yes, we should be where Chelsea is. That is 100% Jose fault.

We finished in top 2 last season, Liverpool has never done that under Klopp. Infact the best they have done is 4th. Which Jose achieved in the first season. I have no answer for Spurs but they are a very well run club unlike us. So I want Jose to leave at the end of the season because i want us to compete with City. If we are competing with Liverpool and Spurs then we are fine. We will be there or thereabouts.

So my question is, other than the style of play what has Poch or Klopp achieved? Nothing. Big 0. Its pretty but i am still waiting to see if there is something shiny at the end.
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The reason, not excuse, for all 3 is some mixture of:
a) tactics, style, etc.
b) investment in the right players
c) investment at the right times

I feel like it's pretty simple, yet there's a Mexican standoff happening where everyone wants to point at one thing as *the* excuse rather than the triumvirate (or more) of actual reasons that we're lagging behind atm.
It's all related. It's not just one thing, you have to look at the whole picture but you can't run away from the fact that this squad isn't good enough for all the money spent since fergie retired. That's a systemic failure, you won't be able to pinpoint one thing.

The way I see it, you hire a man for a job. The job requires certain tools. The only way to do the best job, is to get the best man that's available, and get him the tools he requires.

If you can't get him his prefered tools, don't expect the best result.

We don't want moral victories. Yes we want good football, but we also want to win the league first and foremost. Is this team good enough to win the league? Is this manager good enough to beat pep? Well, as far as I know, he's the only one to do it in a league format.

I keep bringing up investment but I think it's a valid point. First season here pep didn't live up to his reputation. He didn't have the tools he needed to execute his vision. They go out and spend spend spend. Many signings are hits, 7 of city's starting 11 were pep signings. some are misses and never play. But to his credit, he's bow got his team playing his brand of football, regardless of how much he's spent.

My question is given the side mourinho inherited, given what we have purchased so far, do we see a concerted plan or strategy to execute a vision for style of play? No. Is that down to the manager alone or is there some blame with the higher ups? Are people saying no you can't sign this guy? Are those opinions valid, coming from a football place and not a money or marketing place?

Before we do buy anyone else we need a structural change. I don't know what's going on behind the closed doors but this project isn't going anywhere without a proper plan, a vision and then aquisition of those tools. If mou isn't part of that vision, so be it. But let's get football men in there first before we make any more big moves.
Spending big and spending wisely are the differences
+2
true, no one has a perfect transfer strategy, every team has players they spent big money on that they eventually get rid of. so time to cut our losses and try again, with a better plan hopefully.
perfect example, you remember the first goalkeeper pep bought? it was bravo, and he was a disaster. Did city say, well you have a keeper, now you have to live with him? no, they figured out bravo would not work, so they went and spent a record (at the time) on ederson. just because a signing doesnt work or isnt at his prime, does that mean deny the next transfer or sack the guy and hire someone else? just food for thought.
Bravo is probably the only bad signing Pep made out of 500/600m city invested on him...i think every other signing fits right into his system and he got best out of them. So, why would city say well you have a keeper now you live with it? especially if he can give them such a beautiful brand of football with trophies.

On the other hand Matic , Alexis , Fred , Mikhy , Lukaku , Pogba etc have not been disasters but neither have they done justice to price tag or potential they have.

I still cant believe how Alexis became a shadow of himself in 6 months...He almost Joined city for 60m and only chose united because of wages and starting spot. Now city invested same 60m on Mahrez
he signed bravo nolito and danilo from spain, all three were flops for 60 million euro or thereabouts. you cant all mahrez a success already, just like you cant call fred a flop or someone he hasn't gotten the best out of, 12 games into the season.

and tbf sanchez was poor the first 6 months at arsenal that season, it didnt start when he joined us. we figured he needed a pre-season to get up to speed, and he was fantastic on tour, so idk whats going on there.

pogba has been great, you guys love to talk about his price-tag but look how insane the market is right now, even higuain went for 75-85 or so million that same summer. heck idk how you can pay what you guys paid for kepa, a goalkeeper, and ever talk about another team's transfer not living up to the price.
I mean he’s not been bad but he’s not been the domineering midfielder you bought him for. Higuaín bagged goals. He was a dominant forward for Juve. So far pogba hasn’tivee up to the hype. Still been good but you can get what he’s given for much less.

It’s just a poorly conceived side I think we all agree on that. Talents there, talents underperforming, being poorly utilized or marginalized. I won’t judge Fred, think he’s a good player. But you spent the big bucks on him and it doesn’t seem like mou is interested in workin him into the squad.

Why in the derby Lukaku, Sanchez and mata are coming off the bench beggars belief, with Fred on the bench. Jose has lost the plot
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Yeah ask Milan if higuain has lived up to his price tag.

We are a completely different team without pogba. We can't transition from defense to attack when he doesn't play.

Higuain was over priced. I don't think theres a single credible utd fan that would say pogba has been a flop and shouldn't have been bought. The talent is there, and he has produced magic in moments, just not across a whole season yet.
Pogba has been a great signing for us.
Well no signing has been good for Milan, place is a mess. Even bonucci had to leave.
+1
We need to invest like City , like Vaaz mentioned they signed defender after defender until they got it right and we´re still playing with Young and Smalling, Jones and f*****g rojo, never gona win nothing with this lot a solid team is built from the back . Midfield wasnt any better , no creativity nor pace we missed Pogba last night.
While Fred and Dalot were expected to close that 20point gap lol wtf this board is delirious mate.
Deserved win credit where its due, City is the better team :(....for now.
+2
Clearly we wont back any manager with unlimited funds like City but when we have, we have either over payed for players or just bought the wrong players. Our investment has been a joke since we sold Roanldo and bought Owen, valencia and Obertan.

We are miles away from City. It dosent mater who manages us, we will get dominated by City most games. Under other managers we might at least play more open but with this team i dont think the result will be much different most times. I am expecting them to go all the way in europe and they will most likely win the league with ease.

We need to replace Smalling, Jones, Young Valencia, Fellaini, Herrera, Rojo, Matic will have to be replaced soon, Sanchez will have to be replaced soon etc. This squad needs another 400 mil over the next 2-3 years to be anywhere near City let alone win the title. A new manager might help i guess but i see no guarantees that will make any difference. So realistically we should be aiming for a title maybe like 4 years from now.
PL points 2016 before Jose and Pep arrived at City and United.

City - 66
United - 66

PL table in 2017 after they both arrived 1st season

City - 78
United - 69

2nd season.

City - 100
United - 81

I get you guys need massive investment to catch-up with city...but do you guys really trust giving another 500m to someone who would buy Lukaku , Alexis , Matic , Pogba , Fred , Lendlof , Bailey etc or would give to someone who would buy Walker , Mendey ,Sane , B Silva , Jesus , Gundagon , Laporta etc?

Just because City are doing good you might feel city got better player and hence they doing good. But, there is very good chance likes of Sane , B Silva and Jesus might struggle at United while likes of Lingard Rashford and Martial would be tearing defenses apart if they were playing under Pep for 3 seasons.

Spurs Arsenal and Liverpool were in a deeper s**t than United were in 2016....Now in 2018 after spending far less than united. They have all made progress dont you think so?

Arsenal got Torreira and Guendouzi for 30m combained..while United chose to invest 90m combined on Fred and Matic. So Another 500m investment is definitely not the right answer
+5
The irony is that city spent the money to catch up to the United’s of the world
+3
i think lindelof and baillly are good players, but i think when we bought them we figured our experienced guys like smalling jones and even rojo would lead the line. bailly and lindelof are 22 years old each. some players can make the adjustment right away depending on their characteristics and the team tactics, but i think these guys need time to 1 learn the league, 2 learn what the manager expects from them, and 3 learn their teammates movements and form understanding. you need a run of games to get all of that to start synching. we are starting to see some progress with lidnelof, but there are still holes in his game - which is fine, he's still quite young but also has shown some talent.

what we need is experience at the back, some consistency in the CB partnership.

also, modern game relies heavily on fullbacks. shaw's come into the team finally but rb.. young and valencia, failed ex-wingers, aren't exactly bombing up the pitch, and both are turning 34 soon. dalot is just 19, he's barely going to play this season. he's gonna need time to adjust to the move talk less of getting into the team and playing in the PL
You guys had so many clean sheets last season. I tripled up on united defense for fantasy league. I'm not sure what's going on with your back line this year...
@Bazinga, dont compare the teams Pep and Jose took over. Those were night and day. City was a Premier League winning team. We were not.

Another 500 mil is the answer. City and Chlesea have proved to us that throwing money will result in success. It took City 10 years of spending money to get here. We are on year 4 of spending money (Still we are being outspend by other team). So yes money is one way to do it.

What has Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool done? Progress? We made progress last year but according to many (including you) progress does not mean anything when you are 20 points off of City. Where did these teams finish last season? I expect us to compete with Spurs and Arsenal for top 4. So lets not pretend that they have somehow left us behind.

@Sheymoose: We are playing more open football compared to last season.
"City and Chlesea have proved to us that throwing money will result in success"

United have proven over last 5 years that just throwing money will not bring success. Using money with proper vision is what could result in success.

3 years back argument was United need to spending 500m to build squad to challenge for title. Now after all that your telling you need another 500m to challenge for title after 4 years....your honestly ignoring the fact that spending is not the problem for big club like united. The only problem is using it to buy right players who will help united play like big club.

Anyone can tell Sterling , Walker , Sane , B Sliva , Stones etc can all look average under a different manager......its up to the manager to buy good player and make them look great as a team.

Progress is having a identity of your own and building year after year. Now your telling you need another 500m and 4 years to catch-up to city who start at 66 points like United did 2015.

Your argument is City already had title winning team? Here are the players who currently play for city and are were part for title winning team

Auero , Silva and Fernandino

Here are the player who were part of United title winning side in 2013.

De Gea , Smalling , Young.

Both teams have been built from scratch..your ignoring the fact nobody got ready made team to success just because you have money to throw
+3
You keep going back to the 66 point thing. U know that City had won the title a season before right? Us finishing with 66 point showed the quality we had. City finishing 66 point was a result of a title winning team under performing.

Actually its past 4 years where we have actually spend money (I keep repeating this but when we have spent, City have spent more). We did not spend much this season and the season under Moyes. One thing i agree with you is that we have not spend money on the right players but how do you fix that? By spending more money to bring in better players.

You would be lucky to buy 2 good players for 100 mil. so for 400 mill that is 8 players in 3-4 seasons? That is really not a lot of money. City spend half of that in one season. I think you are looking just at the amount and not at the time frame. 100 mil per year is nothing for a club like United.

Why dont you add Jones, Valencia? These are all average players except David. What Fergie did with them is not really relevant. We wont title with Welbeck and champions league with Anderson.

It is easier to build on a successful team than one that finished 7th, 4th and 6th. Pep had a better team than Jose. That is a fact. Not an excuse.
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https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/revealed-premier-league-net-spending-table-sparks-a-debate-over-managerial-achievements-36861511.html

This is a good read
+2
@Shay, I think it's partially that defending was a concerted team effort last year. This season we simply had to be more expansive in search for goals. That part has worked to a degree (though not nearly well enough), but for whatever reason--personnel, tactics, etc.--the defensive line can't cope.
Actually looking at city's team and peps spending, he really just bought guys to put the finishing touches in key areas like fullback, cb and gk to build attacks from the back. Guys like sane, gundogan, mahrez and Jesus provide competition in the squad but are not even starters. Most of city's core stars were not his purchases. Look at mou's purchases and you see he's actually bought most of United's current spine.
+1
Our defence was a joke last year too, we just played ultra defensive because we were able to score a goal or two here and there. Many times last season we were packed in our own half versus bottom half teams clinging on to a goal.

This season the goals from open play has dried up, and we are having to send more men forward in search of goals leaving the defence exposed completely.
500 million 5 years ago can get you 7 Neymars. 500 million now can only get you 2 Neymars or 3 Mbappes
Barcelona are also struggling in terms of recent purchases not planning out. Demebele for 120 mil should by some people’s logic be a world beater. Coutinhk the very same although he’s making a much better go at it then dembele. Their only good purchases in the last 3 years have been Lenglet and Umtitti
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As for the Barça transfers; that's not true Khessler. I'd rate the best incoming players of the last 3 years in this order:

1) Umtiti ('16-'17 - €25m)
2) Arthur ('18-'19 - €31m)
3) Cillessen ('16-'17 - €13m)
4) Lenglet ('18-'19 - €36m)
5) Semedo ('17-'18 - €30m)

Neither Coutinho nor Dembele have done enough to be classified as 'good' transfers for their humongous price tag.
f**k all the behind the scene stuffs, incompetent board, owners, lack of investment, f**k off with that. Just bloody focus on the football.

We had a sort of confidence building up with some last minute wins in the previous matches. City running away, Arsenal drawing, chance to get back in the Top 4 spot, we had nothing to lose, but only gain a lot of places if only we had gone for it with the momentum we had.But our pathetic coach comes up with a withdrawn approach as always, parked the bus from start, the team didn't do anything at all the whole match and we lost. Not a f*****g single shot on target, but let's blame the board and investment that made us park the bus and not put any pressure on Man City players.

+13
We parked the bus? Ok
If today shows us anything, it's that all the things you want to ignore do affect the football. The football just isn't good enough either.

Van Gaal: "Man Utd who I last coached is a commercial club. Totally different to Bayern. The bosses, like Karl Heinz Rummenigge and Uli Hoeness are former players who know what they are talking about. Football is the most important thing, not money like it is at United." #mufc

What the idiots at the top of United don't understand is that a successful footballing product will give them ALL the financial success they could ask for. Unfortunately for us, we're still a financial success even if we're not a football success. For now.
+1
The confidence was nothing more than an illusion and false dawn. Sure, give the team credit for the win at Turin. But winners tend to create more luck of their own. And many a times we seem to run out of luck.

This team that we have is still sorely lacking in all departments despite shelling out big sums of money. The club is just a business and money making tool for the owners.

Either way, this game sums up all the pep vs mou clashes. Pep has won more head to head back when it was barca vs real.

Tactical wise, player wise, investment wise, hate to say it but we are sorely lacking behind and someone needs to give a wake up call to the bloody owners who made our club a business and less of a Football club. Even Mourinho claims he is nothing more of a “Head Coach”.

Can you imagine playing Football manager you bid for players and contracts were signed only for your board to cancel the deal? Oh yea. I’d be frustrated as hell.

I’m not Mou’s biggest fan but I would support what he is doing at the club. Just watch Mou get sacked at the end of the season and we chop and change again. The board are run by totally clueless guys.
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So true City players showed more urgency than us in pressing and winning the ball back when they were up 3-1, I don't understand how we can continuously ignore this fact game after game and sit back and wait for the oppositions to give us the ball due to a mistake. How many passes did City have before that 3rd goal, we gave them all kind of room, no way they can do that against someone like Liverpool who makes the effort in winning the ball back.
I don't think United parked the bus at all. In fact, I think this loss is one of their better performances this season. I know Mourinho's tactics are conservative but I see a fundamental lack of the players having any chemistry to string up a simple attack. Mourinhos teams have always been solid on defence with clinical counter attack. These United players trip over their own feet when attacking. Is anyone really surprised by the score? Much worse teams have tons of time and space to build up an attack and De Gea usually saves the day. So this is the result when you give an elite team time and space to make an attack. Granted, when a team plays possession like City and Barca, naturally the other team has no option but to defend. I just don't agree with this when playing smaller teams but it's the players that can not hold onto the ball so possession with trash teams is usually equal. I would hope it's getting clearer that the team is full of mediocre players. Big mistakes every game, can't string up an attack. That has absolutely nothing to do with tactics. When you have the ball, you do something with it. Mourinho doesn't dictate if a player shoots, passes, or dribbles. They do that on their own and not very well either.
Lukaku and Sanchez complete 4 passes in 50 minutes...is this true?
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i think that's a pretty naive point of view. with pogba out, our midfield wasn't going to be bombing up the pitch at city away, the toughest fixture in the calendar. our players did try and play football, at times we had possession and city needed to drop back, i'd say after maybe 25 minutes our midfield settled down and but we couldn't create anything with the ball nor on the break, kept losing the ball cheaply or misplacing passes. we needed more willing runners, also needed better creativity, players were running into dead ends (rashford) and even martial was struggling to hold on to the ball or find teammates. herrera was even worse than matic, lost count how many times he gave the ball away.

i think part of it must be fatigue from midweek, but also pep's team press, we struggled to build any decent attacks for most of the game because we kept giving the ball away.


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