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Feels like this week is taking forever.. bring on the second game!
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I cant wait to see how Pogba perform with a week of training. He was a beast last game even though there was a 5 min period where he looked rusty.

Also excited to see Andreas and Fred again. That midfield 3 is solid.

Sanchez needs to get back to his best. He is holding us back.
Same here! Love that midfield 3 and it was only the first time they played a competitive game together. Can't wait to see them develop a better combination.

I thought Pereira is what we needed, a deep lying player maker, since Carrick.
We also have Matic and Herrera to come back in plus the afro guy..
The media salivating around the Pogba and Mourinho beef rumours.
SIF agree! wish there was champions league football midweek at least but no
According to the Mirror, Zidane "reportedly" wants to replace Mou next season, ahh dont think so Zizu , Mous "reportedly"gonna do the treble u see ;)
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We reportedly signing everyone out there too xD
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All that bad press is a good thing imho. It's after all painting an accurate dire portrait of Man Utd. It's so bleak that now our players AND manager have no choice but look hard at themselves and raise the bar in every department. And even if deep down they're entitled to dream, there's no more delusions of title - just hard work and humility looming ahead. Even Pogba looked sedate after that 1st game; even in his praises of Shaw where last season he would've been all jokes fooling about.
That's the way I like my boys: sober, focused with a point to make.
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Three years ago this was out starting 11 against Villa.

-----------Romero
Darmian--Smalling-Blind-Shaw
----Carrick--Schneiderlin
Januzaj----Mata------Memphis
-----------Rooney

Now our best 11 is something like..

---------De Gea
Valencia--Bailey-Lindelof--Young
------------Matic
--------Fred----Pogba
Lingard------------Sanchez
----------Lukaku

I hope 3 years from now we wont be seeing a completely new team..
Judging by age, 3 years later would be like:

DeGea
New RB (Dalot) - Bailey - Linderlof - New LB (Shaw)
New DM (Pereira?)
Fred - Pogba
Lingard - New LW (Martial/Rashford)
Lukaku

Looks nice if the younger ones mature properly in 3 years
Lingard better hit some prime form soon.
I'll be surprised if I see Lindelof improve enough to become our long term CB solution. I can see him leave in a season or two.
mmm, victor is the second most skilled defender in our squad. he's probably 2nd or 3rd overall defending, i dont see him being sold anytime soon.
If you think about it, fred is basically herrera with pace lol. they have a similar type of energy in midfield and can pick a pass going forward.
Fred is much better on the ball and is way more composed than Herrera. He is also much more skillful compared to Herrera.
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i havent seen enough of him to corroborate any of that.
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He is Brazilian. What more do you need? Lol
Definitely better ball control which helps stay composed in the middle, that's what Matic has as well compared to some of our recent midfielders.
Apart from passion, he is better in every way.
I liked what I saw against Leicester. Fred is faster and more technically gifted than Herrera and can pick a pass forward. But I'm not convinced about his defensive attributes yet.
From what I've seen so far, he loses the ball WAY more than Herrera does, and in terms of ball control, lol no comment. Herrera is better imo at the moment but is ageing, hopefully I'm proven wrong. My opinion of Fred is only based on that first game however.
Fred is also aggressive which is what I like. Too many bitches on our team.
Fred can play long diagonal balls from his leftie, but Herrera cannot. That's the only diffrrence I see.
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It's almost 3 a.m. in Romania and, like any normal grown-up with kids and all, I was just checking next summer' free agents on Transfermarket. And you guys have like an entire team that will leave, including De Gea, Martial, Herrera, Jones, Shaw, Smalling and Mata. Is this true or Transfermarket is wrong? And if it's true, why is that happenning? I mean why not cash now and bring some players Mou wants?
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The club do 3+1 or 4+1 year deals, so we have the option of adding a other year. But yes we should hear news of extensions between now and probably January for the players we plan to keep. That said, we will probably sell quite a few of those guys as I don't think mourinho rates all of them highly... Like if a good replacement is found, I can see mata, Smalling and Herrera sold. I heard ddg signed a new deal already, sometimes it takes a while for the club to finalize and announce things but I'm not worried about ddg at least.
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Thanks SIF, yeah, now that Real signed Courtois, you should have no worries keeping DDG. But still, us, Pool fans, we can hope, right?
And what is a 3+1 deal? If, after 3 years, the club wants to keep you another year, you must stay, if not, you're free to go, is that right?
Yep, so 3 year commitment but the club can opt to add another year if they like. So you can think of the deals as 4 and 5 year deals essentially. It's to protect the club from losing players on free but also if a player sucks they can sell him sooner without the player being on a longer contract and harder to sell
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Agree with SIF and I am sure DDG and Martial`s deal we have further one year option. We are already talking with De Gea regarding contract extension.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45168439

Even though Real signed Coutois I dont think there will be no one to sign DDG if he is available. Eg: Juventus.
DDG did his best at WC to convince Real not to sign him 👏👏, reward him with BIG contract
+6
The Glazers have taken more money out of our club than what the City owners have put into City.

I don't think we're going to see long-term success until we get new management. We're run too much like a sterile, money-making business.
+2
This s**t really sucks. Everyone keeps comparing what city spent to what we spent but this is the real story - we make 3 or 4 times what city make annually yet half our income goes into debt refactoring/loan repayment, and then a huge chunk goes to glazer pockets.
If we didnt have all these crazy expenditure that virtually no other top club has, we can sign players like Bale or Mbappe without batting an eyelid. Instead we are averse to spending an extra 10m to bring Perisic or Godin because that would throw the books off balance.
Terrible shame that has happened to the club. Glazers
+2
Yes lack of investment is what put us in this predicament in the first place. Our central midfield was so bad for so many years, we never replaced Ronaldo or tevez even and settled for "bargains" like Micheal Owen or paul scholes coming back from retirement. Some deals like chicharito worked well but honestly our squad was been under par for too long.

Imagine if we didn't have to pay back glazer debt every year since they "bought" the club and saddled it with debt they used to buy the club.

We literally have or will pay off over a billion pound in loans simply to pay off the loans used to buy the club. It's insane.

Can you imagine a billion pound used to improve facilities and personnel, buy the best players when we were already a CL powerhouse making the SF consistently? There's no question we should be up there with Bayern Barca and Madrid as powerhouses in CL. Now Juventus and PSG have taken our vacant spots. At this rate City will be there consistently too. Smh

Would Ronaldo have left if we didn't have to pay back those loans? Would we have been able to put together a team to compete with Barcelona? Idk, it's a shame we can't change history and find out.

But there's no point dwelling in the past. Right now our finances are strong and stable, and we need to find a way to get back to consistency at the top level. Selling pogba would be a mistake, we need to build on what we have. A few years from now, with the right business and maintaining our best young players, we would be strong enough to fight for the CL title imo.
1st you guys need is a progressive manager like Pep or Klopp or who every available to sign right players and work on long term success and stability rather than immediate short term results...Do you guys really believe richest club in the world would hesitate to invest big if they were sure of catching city? if you have to blame management it has to be because they failed to snatch Pep from city's hands 3 years ago.

Also, how would you believe 1 world class CB signing this summer would fix the issues existing since last few seasons and help you close 20 points gap with city? United already have best defensive record in league over 3 seasons.

I know most of you want signings like Mbappe , Neymar, Dembele etc...but do you guys really feel such type of players would thrive in style of football united are currently plays? Players like Perisc and Willian would perfectly work and maybe that is why they are club targets? IMO Martial is a very good example although many blame him for not adapting.

IMO Moyes , LVG and Jose have equal share in wasting lot of money on short term results. Here is a good article.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/revealed-premier-league-net-spending-table-sparks-a-debate-over-managerial-achievements-36861511.html
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OMG. How did you turn this into a Jose Mourinho, Pep, or a manager or a style of football thing ? I get it you dont like Jose. Get over it. This topic has nothing to do with net spend or a CB we didnt get over a season. Its about the lack of investment since Glazers took over (Not 4 years). Try more that a billion dollars we have lost.

Not everything in Man utd is the fault of Jose or the style of football. We are bigger than Jose. If we sack Jose tomorrow, we would still have the same problems.
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Lol again :p
Man utd is the richest club in the world only on paper.
Which is why I laugh whenever some other clubs try to put us in the same bracket as PSG or City, or heck even RM.
Man utd is run like a business more than a football club. Right from Glazers takeover and even during the end of SAFs era, it was becoming obvious. SAF's genius helped build an empire which these Glazers are now exploiting.
Each year the Glazers get over 300m from the club as their share of the profits. Then there are loans/interests and there is not much to spend on the squad. We cannot afford the likes of Mbappe or 200m players till the loans are finished atleast (around 200m a year IIRC)
Where as City and PSG can buy the best players because their owners have one goal - of becoming the best without any limitation on expenditure.

Not everything comes down to Mou's faults and playing style. Players like Di Maria, Cr7, Modric, Ozil all thrived under him at RM. Players like Sneijder thrived under him at Inter. The key difference is that these teams Mou managed at RM/Inter were balanced and had depth.
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Club like City, PSG, their owners see football as their toy. They don't expect return from their investment other than winning trophies. Just like you invest a lot into your toys. Just refer to your hobby whether it is your car, gaming or camera, you don't expect return in money, you expect fun and pleasure from it and then think money well spent.

Clubs like us, owners see football as business, they see it as a job. They expect return more than achievements.
Yaldho - You tell topic is has nothing to do we net spending and next line you tell club is suffering from lack of investment..Yes, i'm anti Jose which i openly accept, but im not making any false allegation on him? what ever you see in the article is fact and there is no question of lack of investment at United like he has made some of you believe.

Because 1 CB will not fix the issue united have...you might need additional 300m to fix the gaps which are not filed because manager keeps buying too many short term fixes like Matic , Zlatan , Alexis etc maybe because club demands immediate results.where as you see city and pool make 90-100% long term signings.

I will bet you Liverpool wont invest big again for another 2/3 season at-least unless they sell best players. Also city might sign maybe one 1 every season.

Anyways, maybe you see something which i as a rival fan (anti Jose) might now see. cheers
i cant speak for yaldo, but i'm not talking about current investment, i mean from like 2005- 2014ish, thats when we started to decline in investments and started to feel it on the pitch around 2009-2010 when stars were releaased and not replaced, and we are still feeling the effects. we wouldn't have wasted so much money now if we had invested at the right time.

Ya, i have no idea why you are talking about net spend in the last 2-3 years. That in not what we are talking about. Jose had enough money to spend in his first 2 season. That is not what this is about. You are just climbing up the wrong tree here.

How does the lack of investments for more than a decade relate to Jose?

Ok got it...now it make sense since you guys are talk about 2005-2014ish and i'm talk about post 2014. Shows how great SAF was in getting results out of nothing...even during his last PL title win before retirement united squad was average.
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Marcos Rojo changed his number to 16. Great, frees up that #5 for a defende.... oh wait.
+2
So why haven't we announced our 2nd kit yet? The season has already started LOL

Its a good looking kit btw.
It looks good with the black shorts, problem is since our home kit has black shorts this year, what are we going to wear when it clashes? A pale pink top with pale pink shorts looks gaudy on paper lol.
Have you guys seen this?

https://video.eurosport.fr/football/mls/2018/video-mls-l-action-incroyable-de-wayne-rooney-face-a-orlando_vid1115552/video.shtml

WTF

I always loved his commitment on a pitch and his approach to football + his technical ability. He shows it once again.
+11
Thanks for sharing, f*****g goosebumps. He is a prime example of never say die. What a moment for the DC fans I'd imagine.
Wow! that is desire lvl Rooney.

Magic!
to make that recovery at time in the game at 33 and then pull off an incredible cross is truly impressive .
Amazing. Well f'in played, Wayne!
Epic is all i can think of, what an outstanding effort he put in there even in the 96th minute. fair play.

when the richest and probably oldest guy in the squad is able to put that much effort in at the end of the game, going away from goal, no one else has any excuse. that's true leadership from wayne.
he's done all the work, produced something epic and none of them has the brain to realise this is HIS moment. nobody runs to him to include him in the celebrations. effing clueless. tbh I found it depressing he looked so alone :/
Amazing moment and all but afterwards, Was he asking the ref to card his teammate for celebrating with the fans? If so then wtf?
^why would your mind go there as the first/best explanation? lol strange
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