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Adm's shirt highest selling in the Premier League. Guess he isn't a complete flop after all
Just like many said Fellaini was a flop last season, watch Di Maria turn beast mode next season.
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lol de gea fourth most shirt sales in england, pretty impressive.
flop?

wtf...

2nd most assists in the league and 5th most assists in Europe, playing in a club who's undergoing a massive rebuilding?

flop my ass, people think he's flop because we paid shitload of money for him... but since when a player's contribution and ability is based on his price tag? yeah since common sense became no longer common
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Funny the one you call a flop contributes alot of good and some bad in every game. Like tod said he has the 2nd highest assist in the league and his last one was that beautiful chip pass for Mata's second goal.

Whatever you say about di Maria he'll be here next season and Nani propably not.

Back to the shirt sales I'm suprised di Maria is 1st but de Gea this season has attracted plenty of admirers even from rival fans who called him a flop after his first season
I'll just leave this here...

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What do you guys think about Nigel de Jong singing with us? His contract ends at the end of the year and apparently he's not resigning (Sports Bible source, I know I know). But if it is possible, do you guys think a ball winner like him would suit us?
Only if he's younger, I would no doubt sign him. I like his character though, he can be the lads' big brother and we will see more aggressiveness in the team.
Yeah I like the idea of him. He wouldn't play every game but could be a bit more of a specialist. He's great at covering the defence and not bad at keeping the ball moving.
i don't think he adds anything more than playing jones in midfield TBH. i wonder if that ship has sailed.
You'd be surprised how good Nigel is. If you guys snap him up, its a good deal tbh. Hell I would have never sold him from City but for whatever reason our management though Javi Garcia was a better player. I remember during the world cup he was such a beast against Argentina, every time Messi wanted to make those runs that he likes to make, Nigel would tail him and shut him down. He can really keep the MF together and is always at the right place to make that tackle. His perfect for the PL and is a cheap option that can play with LVG systeam.
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See, Moe understands.

And just the same as Jones?!? lol
would be a good buy...we can play him in big away matches...he will be pretty handy in those fixtures
Why is Jones compared to De Jong lol. De Jong will also be important for European fixtures (if we finish top 4 [and we will] ), his experience is definitely needed.
Hummels told Kicker: “Basically, I think moving abroad will be good for my professional and personal well being.

“Eventually, I’d like to leave the Bundesliga.

“I’m being open about this because I’m not a fan of those who claim they are staying but, behind the scenes, have actually secretly agreed a transfer away from their current club."

Holy beans! That's our cue. If we get Hummels I will go nuuuuts!
injury prone, but I think when you are playing as a defender and your rate of injuries is extremely low, you are likely not good defender.
Idt there is a correlation between injury rate and ability as a def (or any other position for that matter).

As for Hummels when fit (this season more often than not) he is perfect for a LVG team with the all round def and on the ball abilities that no other CB has. We need someone like him against the biggest clubs and he will need to be managed differently ofc but when/if he is injured we already have ample covers in Rojo, Smalling and Jones. (Not to mention I think LVG will sign 2 CB this summer, the other one left footed like Laporte, since 5 CB is a must for us to be a healthy title challenging squad.)
We don't need another injury prone defender. Hummels is class for sure, but at 26 years of age and no less than 30 million, is that good business?
I think Rojo will become better than him, plus we've gone through a bloody mess with Smalling and Jones who are slowly but surely coming into their own (minus the injuries).
Judging how the rest of the season goes, they probably won't need expensive replacement.
A cheaper option like Howedes would be more suitable imo. Add depth and bolster the squad but we already have a long term solution
Idt cash is a problem for the club, and should not be a concern for fans either. What we lacked at the beginning of the season, and still lack now in the midst of Smalling and Jones resurgence, is a leader at the back, someone with experience, calm and able with the ball, especially against the teams still above us.
I know in the worst case we might only get about 20 games from Hummels per season but if those are big must win games, he can make a difference, that's what I meant by managing him differently.
None of our current CB has the skill sets of Hummels so getting him will complement them well as a group. The fact that he will play about 20 games per season also leave the doors open for others to play so Smalling and Jones progress will not be hindered imo.
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^ so what you mean to say: is to get a W-C CB for around 35mil+ P for 20 games per season >while Hoping< that he plays all this 20 games above average consistently throughout a season.

Is that really worth 35mil+? Like you I Do want to see him in United Shirt, as indeed we dont have a leader in CB role, but wouldn't you want to work with players that you already have? Smalling is improving, Rojo will be class for sure, Blind is a tactical genius, Jones face expressions got even better and we dont even have such bad defenders in reserve. It seems to me United defensive line gets more and more solid, dont you think? Or would you rather want to risk and go with buy approach while available?
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For defensive options, I think it might be better to go for defenders who are tried and proven in the EPL. With all due respect to Hummels being a world cup winner, he might need time to settle and adapt to a new league. That is, if he manages to stay out of injuries as well.

With that same price or perhaps lesser, I would rather we go for Ryan shawcross for example, who is a proven consistent EPL defender.

A few seasons ago, Gary Cahill was at bolton, as if a garage sale at 6million to chelsea. From his performances after joining chelsea, 6m is really a bargain.
Ryan Shawcross, definitely.
i think i prefer laporte if we will go foreign for a cb. hummels is great on form but as you guys said, he is a bit injury prone and he also lacks pace but im sure laporte is no smalling either. the one thing he has is experience and leadership though, who knows, maybe him coming here would fix things for LvG, hummels is quite the passer and dribbler for a cb and is commanding in the air - three things we sometimes struggle with at the back.
The 20 games benchmark is only the worst scenario. In his time at Dortmund he has always played more than that per season. I'm only suggesting it cuz in a season with CL that might be our amount of important games in which I think we deffo need him. I expect him to be fit for more games than that tho.
(btw math speaking to compare, if we have 5 CB in a 50 games season and LVG rotates them equally then they will all play 20 games per season too, regardless of fitness.)

And to answer your question if he can win us those games then yes even 35m is worth it imo. The thing is a player's value means nothing. If he performs and we win games he is worth whatever the fee. If he does not then even 15-20m seems expensive.

Right now we are on form and high spirit ppl may think our current CB options are fine but if we lose the games against the top 3, I'm sure they would cry for reinforcements then, just like at the start of the season. I'm just trying to avoid the fickleness and being objective, our current CB and many other targets can't do what Hummels does so he is de facto a good addition. Then up to LVG to manage him so that he can play/perform in the important games.
Tbh, if Hummels is leaving, he would be a perfect option. Yes his got a history of being injury prone but Hummels is a big game player and has faced against the best. He plays like a leader and can lead from the back. As good as Smallings and Jones have been, do you thing they have the quality to start UCL games against the big boys? I've watched Smallings and Jones and most times I've been disappointed by them. If anything you guys need another top quality CB. Hummels and Rojo, along with Smallings and Jones would give you guys solid quality in the back-line department. If LVG rotates than Hummels can get the rest he needs for big games and you have your PL experience from Smallings and Jones. I think you guys would benefit from Hummels if you guys made UCL next season. Its not like you guys don't have the money.
http://gfycat.com/AromaticRecklessBuffalo

Chicha's goal against Ecuador
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Wow, he's improving this season, if he continues like this, he's no longer a one trick pony, he might have a career here under LVG.

Btw... Aromatic Reckless Buffalo?? I love gfycat!
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I'm sure he will be given another chance during pre-season, just like Nani, and also Reece James, Lingard, Powell, Henriquez and Will Keane. Whether they will be kept tho is another matter.
Last season he improved a few aspects of his game. Those who think he's only a poacher have forgotten his last season. His hold up play improved remarkably and his passing has gotten much better as well. He's a creative little striker we can't forget that just because of his reputation as a poacher.

I have hope for him he's always shown he can score.
Just watched Yorke's Goal goal goal programme on MUTV, Chicha really resembles Yorke, goal poaching, lucky star with extremely good attack positioning. However, Yorke was blessed with unlimited quality supply from Giggs, Scholes and Beckham.
I read an article that he's quite low on confidence though. Which is good in that he won't wanna stay at Madrid but where does he fit with us?
What a goal by Matic against the Portugese today ..@@!!
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Favorite players of the past 20 years or so (without them all being United players).

van der Sar
Lahm-Maldini-Vidic-Irwin
Scholes-Pirlo-Iniesta
Ronaldo-Ole-Giggs

Good luck getting the ball off my midfield lol
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A challenger is here to test your midfield.

Cech
Cafu Carvalho Terry Cole
Lampard Matic Zidane
Figo Ronaldinho
Fat Ronaldo
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Buffon
G Neville Rio Vidic R Carlos
Beckham Scholes Totti Cristiano
Batistuta Ronaldo

some unconventional names there
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---------VDS----------
Lahm-Puyol-Vidic-R.Carlos
--------Vidal---------
---Zidane-Ronaldinho---
-Messi--------C.Ronaldo-
------Ronaldo9----------
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Cech
Terry Puyol Desailly
Makelele Lampard
Seedrof Ronaldinho
Messi CR7
Drogba
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Kahn

Cannavaro

Scholes Iniesta

Batistuta Ronaldo Rivaldo V.Nistelrooy Cristiano Ole Messi

Prepare to get smacked 10-0
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------------VDS------------
GNev-Vidic-Maldini-R.Carlos
------Viera---Keane--------
Ronaldo--Bergkamp---Henry
--------V.Nistelrooy-------

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Schmeichel
Neville-Rio-Vidic-Bale
Ronaldo-Baggio-Ronaldinho-Giggs
Rooney-Solskjaer
+1
Schmeichel>VDS
On pretty much everything including shirt size.
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__________Schmeichel
Lahm_____Stam____Maldini___Carlos
____________Scholes
________Xavi_____Iniesta
___________M.Laudrup
______Van Basten_____R9
i'll try one with 0 united players
---------------julio cesar---------------
--lahm----walter samuel----f.canavaro----cafu--
-------------------javier zanetti----------------
--ronaldinho-----------------------ribery--
--------------------zidane--------------------
---------raul---------------del piero----------
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---------------vds-------------
Rafael-----vidic-----terry----Carlos/evra
------scholes-----Busquets-----
Ronaldinho------------------giggs
----------Ronaldo-----Fuller------
I haven't been on the forums much, so I'm not sure what is the general perception here, but on the radio and in the local papers our win against Pool has been hailed as nothing short of 'sensational'. I'm not sure I entirely agree. But what I will say is that in the first half we played better than any other time at Anfield that I can remember in recent history (I consider it proper LVG football). Over the past 10-15 years, I can't recall us dominating the ball in such a way against Pool (as we did in the first half). Even the best SAF sides rarely, if ever, accomplished the height of performance that we did in the first half (second half another story, but what a chip by ADM and what a volley by Mata!).

What I find exciting is the thought that we can still play better. As good as we were in the first half, we probably all agree that there is still room for improvement. To think we still haven't even come close to peaking is amazing. I don't know if too many predicated that we would essentially push aside Spurs and Pool in the manner we did. I just hope from now till the end of the season we continue to improve, and really build some momentum going into the summer/next season. With a few key additions, I continue to have faith that the core of this squad is good enough to challenge on all levels.

Mata, Felli, Herrera and Young all deserve an honourable mention (De Gea is an obvious). I've also been extremely impressed by Blind. But how about Carrick - a coincidence our form drastically improves upon his return? I think not!

Cheers
I'd agree that it's more about the way we went in to Anfield and handed it to them. Even Gary Neville said on live TV that it was the best start to a game at Anfield that he's ever seen by us... and that's impressive considering the teams he's played in, the manager he played under, and the trophies we won during his tenure.

I'd add that our away form hasn't been great this season, and we turned it around for one of the biggest matches of the season.

Also, we were coming off a brilliant performance against Spurs, and the question was- could we carry that over? The answer was a definitive yes, and I'd challenge us again- can we carry these performances through the international break and secure a top 4 spot? I hope the answer is the same.
when LvG said he needs time, he really meant it... we are starting to see the fruits of his labor, thought and system

we have seen under him United playing in various different formations, players playing in different positions, different players play together week in week out, all are part of his process of understanding the club and finding the best system..

the most important part of the system ultimately is the players' confidence, you can have the right system but without the confidence, it won't be transformed on the pitch, the players won't deliver... that's why LvG was frustrated that his players kept passing the ball back to the goalkeeper... it wasn't his instruction, he asked the players to keep the possession, but it's left to the players' creativity, vision and confidence to play the ball... if they pass back to the goalie, it means they are still playing under pressure, it means they dont have the confidence yet... but now confidence has started to build up and we have seen that against spurs and liverpool....

we are on the right track... with a few additions on our midfield and defenders, we will once again become a major force in europe
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@theatre, i honestly think the players are the one that needed time, lvg seems very comfortable and clear with his vision and everyone says he is super strict. i think we are finally seeing him find the right balance with players that understand what he wants them to do and are in decent form. i guess in a way he needed time to find his best team, but i think it's the players mostly needing time to figure out their well-defined role in the team and how the boss wants the team to play. when you hear interviews from herrera saying exactly who can take risks in the team and how not to show for the ball all the time etc tells me the guy really has a strict way of playing each and every position.

what worries me is when players come back and everyone is fit. some egoes will need to be sacrificed for the betterment of the team and that process makes me a bit nervous, as i feel some players will go straight back into the team and will unbalance the side yet again.

@joey and stret, i can only really recall one game where we seemed to boss it at anfield (for most of the game) in recent years, and i think we lost that game 2-1 and it was in the fa cup. seems players get overwhelmed by the occasion and we usually play like crap.

i'm excited to see how long we can keep this going as the end of the season is near so we don't have much longer to do. we have to beat villa convincingly and i feel good about city in a couple weeks. just crazy how the games will be coming thick and fast, we have just beat two top teams but have 4 more to go in city chelsea everton and then arsenal again.
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our form improved immensely when ADM was suspended and RVP injured, it forced us into the 4-3-3 with a decent looking midfield and allowed mata to start.

i certainly would rather we continue with this eleven and shape rather than try and work falcao, ADM and RVP back into the side.

the squad is still very unbalanced. we are a better team having dropped some star names.
when I see how Mata and Fellaini are developing form , I almost forgave Moyes , especially when everybody wrote off the tree man from day one
I don't know if we wrote him if from day 1 per se. At least for me it was more about the price we paid for him.
nope

fellaini debut was highly anticipated and a lot of fans also wore afro wig...

fans were also excited with the signing of mata...

moyes was rather mixed but a lot of people, including the skeptics, were willing to give him chance...

credit to LvG for being able to turn our worst performers around (fellaini and young) and offloaded those without prospects (cleverley, anderson, etc.)... credit to the players as well for never giving up

i'd say the next few weeks will be very exciting...


can not wait for the next game , hate international stupid breaks,

hope none of our players get injured!!
To double Theatreofdream I must say again the very fact that we ain't seeing Anderson's big belly and fat ass sitting on the bench collecting his fatter than his arse paychecks is one thing I am eternally grateful to LVG about.
LVG ain't SAF but he is the best we could find based on our club's profile. Perhaps some could argue about Mourinho, however to me he was always Chelsea's.
If he gives us 5 years, Giggs will take the helm from him having matured on the bench and we shall thrive for another 100 years.
i think people underestimate the club when they say giggs can just become good enough after spending 3+ years as an understudy. given the profile of the club, giggs should go elsewhere to build his experience, get his feet wet, achieve success, and then come back and manage.

this isn't some mid level club, to manage utd you have to be one of the best if not the best in the world if we're to meet expectations. pep guardiola did at barca, but i'd say that's a rare phenomenon as he had such a clear style of play and he had the talent and vision and team to put forth his ideas (after the clearout even)- and even pep managed the barca b team to success before he was given a chance at the real team.

there's no question ryan knows the club inside out and knows how we should be playing football, but i dont think he'll amass the experience to handle the dressing room, tactics etc by being someone else's assistant. not the same type of pressure and expectation and probably not the same type of planning either.
You answered your argument yourself SIF. Giggs ain't a newcomer in the business. He saw United of Sir Alex practically from day one. Now he has taken the job next to LVG imagine the pool of experience he will have gained after all the years.

One can imagine that Sir Alex himself tailored him for the job.
You might be right he may need external experience, but in long term considering our club profile he is the best option we have. But as you said if Pep could do it in Barca I see no reason why Giggs can't do it in United
nah mate that tailored by saf stuff is just fantasy, ryan got coaching experience but not necessarily management, just look at how successful phelan and rene meulensteen have been since they left and they were as close to being tailored by fergie as you can get given they were his assistants and coaches.

imo, no, ryan needs to leave here and prove himself before getting an offer, just like anyone else.

i mean can you say with any confidence giggs is a better manager than moyes? or any ex player turned manager like bruce, hughes, blanc? except maybe blanc, i don't think anyone would suggest those guys be utd manager any time soon, and i cant see why ryan would be considered better than any of those guys who have actually managed a team and met or surpassed team objectives for a sustained period of time, talk less of won trophies or developed world class players. ryan just isn't qualified as yet, he hasn't done anywhere near enough in the game as a manager to be considered for the job based on merit.

not to say it would be impossible for him to take the hob and be excellent, but it's probably not likely and an unwise gamble on the club's part given the sensitivity of this transitory period.
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somewhere in my lines I mentioned I'd give 5 years for LVG tenure in United. No where did I say I want Giggs to take the helm at the end of this season.
Moyes on top of all his ineptitude also had to weather a full scale mutiny in the ranks which he astronomically failed. That's what happens when you do not have the big name for managing a big club.
The main problem with giggs leaving the club is that he will lose whatever his name bears after a couple of years of being away and that would potentially destroy his chances of building up a legacy.
If I were a gambler I would have gambled on Giggs success in United, not now when the team is in transition though. Now we definitely need a big name who can attract big players. But now Mata, Rooney, ADM, De Gea... know that Giggs is their coach and they learn to respect him. This in long term can be a winning card.
One thing Giggs will have no problem with (at first) is commanding the dressing room. All he'll have to do is point at the trophy cabinet.

I don't think Giggs could pick up the reigns today and be successful, but I do think his spell as interim manager last season did him a world of good; he'll already be aware of those unexpected intangibles that come with being "the United manager," the things you wouldn't think of at first glance. I think he even said as much himself.

Though it is a different beast, managing a club full-time. Think of Ole, he knows the club, managed the reserves, but still struggled at Cardiff. Yes, it's Cardiff, but still, would he have found success here?

I think Giggsy will get the job at some point in his career, no doubt about it in my mind. Whether it's after LvG, after a spell at another club, or perhaps after another spell as assistant under another manager here, I can't say.

One thing I will say is, after the Moyes appointment, there's no room for sentimentality when choosing our next manager. I think we'll have learned our lesson, but the best man for the job (both short and long-term) should get the job, simple as that.
@pioneer, i'm not really seeing a difference between 5 more months vs 5 more years as an assistant. he needs to go out and manage as the #1

@joey, yeah i don't know how i missed ole. he won trophies in norway, came to the EPL and got relegated :(. he resigned in september and now he's back in norway coaching kids. if there's one player who studied sir alex meticulously with the eyes of a future manager, it is ole. it's not so easy being a manager, and a successful playing career obviously doesn't mean a successful management career. from what i've seen anecdotally, most of the best current managers were average players at best. giggs deserves and will get a fair crack but i think he may need a decade of experience first lol.
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Just realised, the Scottish wonder kid Ryan Gauld, who was linked to us in the past have joined Sporting Lisbon. After spending half season in B team, he finally broke through into first team and received motm in just his second senior game. He have 6 year contract with 60mil buy-out clause. With that contract alone, Sporting seem to be very confident in turning that kid into a world class player and then sell him for big bucks.
They dub him the Scottish Messi.I'm fed up seeing each promising talents labeled either new Mess/Ronaldo.Why don't they let them be themselves? Lol
@karthik24

it's a passing on game, next maradona, next pele, now next messi or ronaldo... when these new talents have made a name for themselves then it's their turn that their name will be used when referring to next new talents
The next Nani! Wait... no one can compare Nani!
No one other than Bebe, maybe. ^^
Too much hype on up and coming talent.

My greatest fear is just getting another Luke Shaw. Forever Injured, Forever unfit Forever overhyped!
??? TF


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Premier League Table

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PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
67
36
25
61
2
7
20
29
1
61
34
28
62
5
7
18
30
2
60
27
31
58
6
6
18
30
3
59
25
27
52
5
8
17
30
4
54
12
32
44
8
6
16
30
5
53
21
21
42
9
5
16
30
6
53
5
45
50
9
5
16
30
7
43
-4
38
34
11
7
12
30
8
42
3
37
40
10
9
11
30
9
42
-3
37
34
12
6
12
30
10
36
-5
41
36
12
9
9
30
11
35
-15
48
33
13
8
9
30
12
34
-4
42
38
12
10
8
30
13
33
-12
39
27
13
9
8
30
14
28
-12
40
28
14
10
6
30
15
28
-20
39
19
16
7
7
30
16
26
-21
44
23
12
14
4
30
17
25
-23
49
26
15
10
5
30
18
22
-23
54
31
20
4
6
30
19
19
-21
48
27
18
7
4
29
20
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