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So I think Shinji to Dortmund seems like a done deal. His wiki page bio lists him as a Dortmund player.

Wish him the best of luck and I hope he makes us regret not playing him.

Edit: Never mind, someone seems to have changed his team back to United.
If we never bought Mata he would be a starter in this system
lol Sneijder and Thiago were once a United player in Wiki, people just like to mess around
What if, everything was plan by LVG ?

First game defeat to Swansea 1-2 LVG said:

"I know the positions we need. The players just didn't reach the level."

Result: Bought a left back. He made Woodward realize that United won't cope without a new defender.

Second game draw vs Sunderland 1-1 LVG said:

"Our passing let us down, we need more creative passing."

Result: He made Januzaj (a natural winger) play in as CM ahead of Kagawa. A few hours later United sign Di Maria.

Third game defeat vs MK Dons LVG said:

"I have seen them trying to their utmost best. You can't expect more of the players."

Result: United trying to offload some players. Cleverley, Kagawa, Zaha, Welbeck, Chicharito.

This guy is a mastermind. I really think everything was plan well before. He also knew that Woodward wouldn't make any move until he found it necessary. He is like, ok you want me to build a new team, bring in my philosophy, my tactics (3-5-2 or 4-3-3) then bring in the players i require and sell those that i don't need.

IMO he don't need 3 months to get things done. We are already in it. Just watch his reactions during those 3 games we played. He didn't seem to panic or scream at the players. Kept calm, writing some kind of stuffs (maybe drawing some funny art) and at times speaking with Giggs. He knows where he is going.

Believe me this guy is far from being an idiot.

Like i said: He is the lion at the head of an army of sheep. :)
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2-3 more players to come in before deadline?
in that logic we will lose 5 nil against burnley, you all have been warned
Liverpool Squad To Take Turns Wearing Balotelli’s EPL Medal
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#moyesin
Louis van Gaal admits his ultimate aim is to win the UEFA Champions League during his reign as Manchester United manager.

"I never doubt myself," van Gaal explained during a press conference at the Aon Training Complex. "We have made steps in our process. This process needs time. We are building up a new team and I hope we will succeed.I hope we are in the top four this season and then, the next step, is to be the champions and then, the next step, is to be the winners of the Champions League. That takes time."
Don't mean to be a party pooper but
https://mobile.twitter.com/kingarturo23/status/505329767936425984

Surely this means the end of that overly long transfer rumour right? I surely hope so. I'm getting tired of the Vidal rumours.
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I'd rather have Carvalho
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Daily Mail: Vidal thumbs up to United fans as he says his goodbyes at Juventus by posing for one last picture lol
Didn't this rumour die weeks ago?
It was brought back to life recently apparently.
no it never died, but it was reported juve had a deadline of last friday if they were to sell him. i guess that means we will get carvalho instead. i would appreciate another cm in addition to him of course but i guess we will have to wait and see.

only today have juve confirmed vidal is staying.

i dont think we can sell cleverley without buying another pair of midfielders as our depth is crap as it is given how injury prone we are.
With his knees in questionable condition, I wonder if this was a blessing in disguise. Don't get me wrong, I thought (and hoped) that we will get a world class presence in the midfield with him but maybe it wasn't meant to be and maybe Carvalho will be a good addition. Maybe losing Cleverly now will make room for Strootman in January (with the huge question being, can we be in contention for top 4 by January with the current squad?)
Well we definitely can be in top 4 by January since we won the league with these players minus the addition of Mata, Di Maria, Herrera, Shaw and Rojo. Once the squad has gelled together we will have a good chance.

We did lose our back line but aside from vidic and the leadership the others brought they were all defensively suspect.

I'd like Carvalho he'd be willing to put a tackle in, and Herrera is too. I always saw Di Maria as frail but apparently he loves to get a tackle or two in as well.

we'll have good work rate in midfield something we've been missing for a while.
"Now, I have also judged all of the players," LVG explained. "After [doing] that, I can take my measures and, of course, we know already in advance what players we want. Sometimes you can have them and sometimes not. It is dependable on the club, more the club than the players because the players want to come."

Big pressure on Woody there (and perhaps a hint at Vidal?)
I watched the press conference this morning.

I cant remember the exact quote but he also said that he has spoken to the squad earlier in the week and informed them that they could be working with a new group as of next week due to departures and arrivals.

Sounds like its going to be a busy few days, we look like we could be off loading about 5+ players and bringing a few more faces in, wish it hadn't been left this late though... Again.
3 days. tick tock.
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LVG today on transfers:

"I don't know about transfers between now and Monday because I am not the one who can choose," he explained. "I give my opinion and the player can do what he wants with that opinion. Of course, I shall say which players I want [to sign] and which are better to leave but Ed [Woodward] is handling the transfer market. I don't interfere in that process.

"Before I started, I said that I shall give every player a fair chance and I have done that. The players that were not in the United States played against MK Dons. I have given players a chance before 1 September to move or not. It is their choice. I have always said that. I don't think it was good if I came as manager and wanted 11 new players. I have given the players a chance here."
lol great metaphor for our transfer dealings so far.

https://audioboo.fm/boos/2432978-barry-silkman-they-ve-bought-the-icing-on-the-cake-before-making-the-sponge
Is this the same Barry Silkman that said United would not sign any quality players this summer without CL football? Well that worked out didn't it.

I can see what he is trying to say but I don't agree with the meat of it, he is implying that our signings have to come in some kind of regimented order, signing Di Maria has not stopped us from signing another CB or CM, we're not working on a set budget here.

Why hold off on buying a player with quality's we desperately need just because we have other areas to address... Its ridiculous logic, you buy the right players when they're available and Di Maria is one.

Red Nev put it the best when he said he sees no difference between the need for quality in the channels plus someone who can inject pace into the side and the need to sign another defender and central midfielder, Di Maria was the first part of a three piece jigsaw, a world class player willing to come here while the club is at a low point, a real hard worker as well and is a perfect fit for the clubs philosophy.
Completely see where you are coming from and I agree. I just saw it more from the side as us signing a winger before another centre back. Considering we lost vidic and rio it is still surprising we have only bought one CB. Thought that would be a bigger priority area.

Still time though!
David De Gea is in the Spain squad for their matches against France and Macedonia but there is no place for Juan Mata or Ander Herrera. Of course, Herrera is currently out through injury.

Sad news for Mata but good news for us in a way. His recent goals ratio for us has been top notch. Lot of quality in the Spanish squad though.
Hull, Valencia an Aston Villa have made offers for Cleverley, with Everton and Arsenal interested.

would be sad to see him go.
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Its like selling one of your babies, we raised him from the ground up, unfortunately he's good but not United good :(
How do you know Everton and Arsenal are interested?

I could see Martinez taking him given prior history but I don't think for one second that Wenger would want him, he shouldn't be starting games for us let alone the Arsenal midfield.

He does need a new start though, he is totally out of sorts here, lost all his confidence and is one the players under heavy scrutiny from the supporters, best for all concerned for him to have a clean break even if he does find his feet elsewhere.
Sad to see him go in terms of his rise through the ranks but glad he won't be wasting first team spots any more. He has had ample chances!

A move will do him good but he just doesn't offer us anything significant. No strength, can't tackle, can't shoot and can't create. He is decent at short passing and the occasional long ball. Has a bit of pace but he has gone backwards in the last 2 years in more ways than one.

Let's not blind ourselves with the truth because he is leaving.
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Valencia have made a bid to sign Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley, according to Sky sources.

The Spanish club have made a surprise move for the 25-year-old England international who has also been the subject of bids from Aston Villa and Hull City.

He would maybe suit the spanish game more. Really surprised that 3 clubs are apparently in for him.
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why are you surprised?
cleverley has lost all of his confidence and been playing very poorly since back from his injury. I think he needs a good season of regular football and score a few goals before having a chance of regaining the pre-injury form. To me he's already 25 yo and no where near the level that he should be at.

Sad to see a homegrown English player leaves the club but he just doesn't cut it here
Surprised at the number of clubs interested considering his form over the last season and a half. More surprised by the 'bid' from Valencia.
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With all due respect they're not exactly the most coveted clubs, Valencia is probably the best he will do, he should test himself in Spain as he said it himself that he suits that league more... lol

He isn't a terrible player, he just wasn't good enough at such a demanding club at a demanding time as we're desperately searching for an heir to Scholes.
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He would fit well with Valencia, as they will play short passing game which suit him


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