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Wow Shaqiri, always so good for Swiss, amazing game. Brazil 4 Swiss 4 Serb 3 interesting final round it will be
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The Swiss Messi!
Shaqiri better be back in pl, he's too talented
I presume you mean the Barcelona Messi
Matic is f*****g garbage
Conclusive proof ( with delay) that Messi is clueless without Xavi and Iniesta.
One of the greatest players of mylife time but no where close to CR7.
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Mate not even you believe the second part.

The way to describe the Messi Ronaldo debate is simple really. One player you watch in disbelief the other you read about in disbelief.
Ronaldo’s accomplishment are second to none really. Watching Messi feels like watching the pinnacle of the sport.
You can watch a full 90 of Ronaldo and his presence can be pretty small. He’ll usually bag a goal and make the papers still. Even if Messi doesn’t score he’s everywhere always on the ball. Ronaldo keeps up with his scoring and accomplishments but as footballers Its Messi
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There is one difference between Messi and Ronaldo that stands out. Ronaldo is a leader whereas Messi is not.
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i mean Jordan Henderson is a good leader but also isn’t very good.
^ That's a terrible counter argument. He's talking about having Leadership on top of being a top player as a bonus to what he already is.
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Lol exactly.

I think the leadership quality is why Ronaldo is starting to shine more as they get older. Messi is Messi. He does what he does but i dont think he is the type of player that can carry a team like Argentina. Ronald's mentality is more suited for that.

Edit: Henderson is not a good leader. He just shouts a lot. Dosent make him a leader.
We’re betting away from the point. Messi is the better player. If you watch games you know this. Ronaldo might be greater than Messi but Messi is better. I think those words can mean different things maybe you don’t.

Like I said in the first comment. You watch Messi in disbelief and you read about Ronaldo in disbelief
Messi single handedly got Argentina to the final in 2014, people are debunking Messi because CR7 had a terrific start,
Runner-up Trophy > Lower Tier But Actual Trophy argument again 😂
Messi is more critical finisher than Ronaldo and not by a huge margin.They both score hattricks as frequently as top tier attackers score doubles.
Ronaldo can lead his team and pushback as a CAM. Messi is not even close to pulling something like that.
@Shiwa:Considering that Germany wiped the floor with Brazil honour in 2014, I wouldn't call Euro really lower tier. This world cup both Netherlands and Italy are absent. You call that higher tier? I don't :)
How is this still an argument in 2018? Lol
Ronaldo has completely won this debate
Messi did dnt really take Argentina single handedly, it was a team effort
Ronaldo is the one single handedly making Portugal a team with a shout
Without Ronaldo portugal wont be anywhere, its just him who is able to salvage a draw with a team like Spain which is several classes above Portugal
Vaaz it’s a debate because Ronaldo racks up accomplishments and Messi continues to play football like it’s a video game character. I mean just watch a Classico and Messi is doing everything hunting down balls on defense Ronaldo can have a crap game score a couple and all is forgetten. Ronaldo can go invisible and does so a lot and it’s rareky in the papers. When Messi has a quiet game it’s a big big deal.
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No its not as simple as that. Ronald has transformed his game. He is 33. There was a time when Ronaldo used to run football matches. He used to fly down the wings. This is the new Ronaldo. When he had the legs, he would not have gone 'invisible' for an entire game. Everything went though him.

Lets see if Messi can transform like Ronaldo. I have alwasy thought Messi was better than Ronaldo when they were at their peak but these last few years have made me doubt myself. I dont think Messi can change and still influence games like Ronaldo does.
Just barely 8 months back when Ronaldo had the worst start to the season in a long time after that red card, everyone was calling him finished
Imo people who think Messi is the best have some form of confirmation bias, they see his amazing performances in a select few games in a different light and tend to forget all the big games where he never shows up.
Messi hasnt scored in a UCL knock out game for over 4 years now iirc...
How is hunting down balls in defence relevant because any player who wants to preserve himself for the game is not going to do that. Its not that Ronaldo can't do tat - he chooses to have his say where it actually matters - in the scoreline, in the big games.
When Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Dani Alves were at their best, that gave Messi enough shield to run the show and make him appear special, since then he has really been caught out and the magic has worn off. It still comes off once a while, but not the same level of consistency as before.

Its like watching a magician whose tricks come off only once every few tries. After watching this magician's entire show, people tend to call him by a different name - A phony
Cmon now. Messi is one of the best players i have even seen. For me Ronaldo and Messi are the pinnacle of football. You can debate who is better but lets not compare him to a phony magician. Lol
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At his prime Messi was doing things for Barca no one else could do. They were two levels above everyone else and Messi was unstoppable. But in the last 3 years he definitely faded, while Ronaldo upped his game at the age of 30-33.

If Messi's not able to maintain his level past the age of 30, then Ronaldo must be the winner of the "greatest player" competition mostly because he was dominating football for longer period of time and he could lead his national team to a major trophy.

I still consider Messi at his peak the better of the two, it's just that he couldn't do it for such long period of time as Ronaldo does and he couldn't reproduce it with his national team.
The only match Barca lost in the league was when Messi didn't play, thier attack is way too reliant on Messi
I always thought CR7 was the better goalscorer and Messi the better player but both are GOAT's
cr is a machine but messi is best. no debate. its not just about numbers. it comes down to who you want in your team. messi in most games deinitely. he is a magician.
To say Messi isn't the better simply because of this world cup is unfair. What happened to Cr7 leadership in 2014 WC? Didn't Messi take Argentina to the finals? Ronaldo isn't just doing well because his Ronaldo but had Bento still been Portugal's manager, Ronaldo would be just as useless as Messi looks for Argentina. People forget to give credit to Fernando Santos. His literally build a Portuguese team that is build around Ronaldo. A team that works to maximize Ronaldo's ability. I gotta give that man a lot of credit for the way Portugal play.

Now I like both Messi and Ronaldo. But if you watch Barca last season, you'll figure out that Messi role for Barca is different than Ronaldo's role for Madrid. Messi along with Iniesta are at times the only creative outlets for the Barca team, I mean he literally has to create and score goals. Ronaldo is a pure finisher who shows up to score those important goals.

Ronaldo is a having a great WC no doubt. The man is a freaking beast but this world cup doesn't make him better. Put Ronaldo in the Argentine side and he won't make a difference. If a team lacks organization and proper managing, your hopeless against a good team. Messi is just in a sh*t situation.
Thank you VAR, f**k you Neymar, f**k you bitch
+2
Hahahahah faith in VAR restored

Neymar still showing his barca dna. What a shameless dive
Neymar almost robbed the hard working Costa Ricans. Good thing they overturned the call. JUSTICE
For once VAR has done justice.
+1
Now some acting from Costa Rica lol
he should really be booked
Coutinhoooooooo

This has been a great WC!!!
A joke if Brazil and Argentina don't make it out the group.
Him again. Brazil's key player is Coutinho, not that oscar nominee
Unfair for costa rica but thats football for you
All you haters can talk to my hands ;)
Only hate that bitch ;)
NEYMARRRRR!!!

What were you saying?
They should be safe with 4 pts. At least the dive did not play part in the win.
Lol its costa rica. No way brazil are beating any of the top teams, they struggled in both their games against weak sides

This brazil side doesnt even compare with the 2002 wc side that had bald ronaldo, rivaldo, ronaldinho, roberto carlos, cafo etc.. that was real joga bonito.
this is some average stuff
Lol I agree about the 2002 side but we will see. Who are you supporting?

This years Brazil may not have the quality compared to previous teams that won world cups but they have a well balanced team. They are lacking in the central midfield department though.
cr7 🙈

yeah they have a good side, maybe the 2-0 gives them confidence to score more goals.. but defensively they are not yet tested at all. their group is one of the easy ones
LMFAO.
It's a shame Peru had such a tough bout of form. They are better than Brazil and Argentina as a team in my opinion.
Romero always > Baldie. Funny that Argentina's top two keepers are both backups at their club.

Anyway, that was huge disappointment from Argentina and Messi. A win from Iceland against Nigeria and very likely they're eliminated. Go Iceland! Small nation power.

This WC is so much fun!
Messi decided to retire from national team after the last WC but then he reversed it... Must be regreting it now
Yea, this is humiliation now. Messi deserves better. Zlatan on the other hand I think should return, Sweden is very weak without him.
Ibra missed out on his last WC, he didnt want to return to the national team.
https://twitter.com/TheRedmenTV/status/1008485690848538625

LOL
+3
excellent =)
Messi MOTM
Are you obsessed with Messi?

Edit: Ronaldo is probably going to grow that goatee longer now.
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Why the hate bro ?
+3
What does that even have to do with the Manchester United forum page?! At least let one of our man open a non Man Utd discussion instead of creating your own. Or as much a nice guy and welcome you are here, feel free to do that on the Arsenal forum =)
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Because he is fishing for likes and since most United fans like CR7, he thinks this is the right place for his likes.
+3
This guy gives me the impression that he is a bot. Never makes any constructive comments. Only hate for Messi and Barcelona. Does he even post about his team?
We all have teams we don't like, but this person takes the hate to another level
I never saw him post anything related to Arsenal
Ouch... Argentina
their coach looks so lost on the touchline
+1
Croatia honestly deserved that

Apart from Messi and Ageuro there was zero threat
Argentina should have long ago build a team around Aguero...
+2
Disagree when you have Messi, team is built around him but Argentina has no stability or foundation for them they need defence> attack
With Messi everyone in the team looks up to him to deliver, he is the only player who is expected to make things happen. Unfortunately at this level not all teams are Levante where you can nutmeg for days
If Aguero was the main CF and the squad built around that it would be more balanced with each player working hard. With Argentina squad you can still put out a decent team but the manager is super inexperienced and also he left out Icardi who scored 30+ goals in the league
Sampaoli's only change is Aguero off , Higuain on... Thats just terrible
sorry vaaz, cant follow your logic. argentina need midfielders. they had no control of the game, no pattern of play, no consistency or shape without the ball. they got punished by an organized and talented midfield. it was brazil v germany all over again, except germany had better finishing and more chances and better quality on the break. but same pattern, headless chickens vs an organized and clinical team. they need to hire a proper coach used to CL level tactics.
+3
Same level of s**t defense and midfield, yet CR7 getting work done.
que golaso, take a bow luka modric
argentina are so disorganized, play like amateurs. how can they have so many top players and play so average as a team?

sloppy, not organized, almost no shape or pattern of play in attack. when messi doesnt go deep, the ball gets pumped up the field. there's no midfield to get the ball to all their talented forwards.
Coz their team is built around mediocre drama queens like messi
+2
vaaz, messi is a mediocre drama queen?
+1
We are watching the same world cup...
Messi has half a bad game and all of a sudden he's mediocre, didn't you know?

Also a drama queen because he's angry Argentina is s**t.
The whole team has been s**t, including Messi.
+3
this battle was won in midfield.

croatia has modric and rakitic. argentina has... messi dropping back to cb to pick up the ball smh. when your best player has to play so deep to get on the ball, you're going to have problems. you'd never see ronaldo doing that (and yes i prefer ronaldo to messi, but recognize messi is more gifted with the ball at feet, ronaldo more gifted in front of goal in terms of versatile ways to score goals).

i feel bad for argentina fans, so many good players but they cant find a good coach and cant seem to assemble a decent midfield. their defense and attack would be so much better with some disciplined central midfielders.
That was a very similar goal to what he scored against us when we played Madrid.
Kante is just pure class. Dude doesn't stop running and doesn't let anything past him. He is good at interceptions, tackling and in possession. Deschamps also said that he is the fittest player in the France squad. I would take him in a heartbeat. Never the less hope Fred turns out good too!
If we had splashed the cash on kante I could have accepted Wenger staying.
Kante won't get the high assists or goals but in defending he's top class, small man with a big heart
It’s too bad Kjaer signed a four year with Sevilla. He’s a really strong and talented central defender. I also like what I saw from McGuire. I hope Bailly comes back really strong next season.


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