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Lol even carrigher admits he thinks we will finish above liverpool this season. im sure it hurts him to say that haha.

at any rate, im sure no one cares where we finish in relation to liverpool as long we make top 4 and give a reasonable push for the title at some stage.
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Nani seems to be as frustrating in Sporting as he was here. He stops attacking play a lot until the crowd start getting rowdy with him. He also just tried and failed with a long shot and goal and you could see his teammates were not pleased.
He was lively, but yeah frustrating with his long shots and dribbling.

Last minute of the game he killed their attack by trying to dribble at half way line.
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Nani reminds me of Sturridge at Chelsea...Talented, but very frustrating at times. Although on his day..he can be deadly.
I know. haha The fans must have been furious with that one.
Over-rated if you ask me. He obviously has skills, but Nani is far from a complete player. At this point in his career it doesn't really look like he's going to develop into what people hoped. It's a shame because his potential is for all to see.

Glad he's gone, one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen in a red shirt.
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he scored some incredible and important goals for us over the years particularly during 2010-2012 as well as that crucial penalty against chelsea in the cl final when he was only a youngster in his first year at united, i prefer to remember the good times that he gave us and wish him all the best in the future
He's been gone for a month, everything wont miraculously change. imo he is a good player, I'm sure by the end of the loan he will be flying for club and country. He showed flashes of quality but it may take a while for him to hit form because he hasn't played consistently for almost 2 years now.
Lmao I never understood why Dani Alves always insists on crossing so much, not to mention that his crosses are often so crap. What does he expect? Messi to outjump Marquinho/Luiz? Haha all their attacking players are 5'10 or less.
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Alves has become incredibly predictable because of his one-footedness and lack of creativity. Defenders need only force him out wide and it's wayward cross after wayward cross. We need a solid right-back who's a defender in the first place. Debuchy would've been nice.
he wants to become Ashley Young :D
Dani Alves is honestly one of the most frustrating players to watch imo. He had a few good seasons but in the past two seasons or so watching him makes me want to rip my hair out.

He's so overrated too, how he made the FIFPro XI team of the year last year ahead of fullbacks like Alaba makes absolutely no sense.
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So this is the barca defence people have been talking about? conceding 3 sloppy goals against the psg.

Really impressed by PSG. No ibra and they're still playing really well
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@ cjay: I dont understand why people are on barca bandwagon. I understand they didnt concede goals in la liga for few games but their defense is still horrible and they lost fabregas and sanchez. They lack CDM and mascherano is only their defensive destroyer. in attack they look deadly with suarez coming in but I dont see them reaching far in UCL with that defense. Real madrid will run over them in el classico just watch
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Are you trying to say Real madrid have a solid defense? Their defense has been wrose than ours
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I disagree that their defense in terrible. They've had the best defense in Europe alongside Juve so far. Didn't concede a single goal in 7 games. They look much more solid than they were last season where they were leaking in goals.

And busquets is top 5 best CDM in the world man. When Vermaelen gets back, they'll have Mascherano back as CDM if they need to as well
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I dont think Ramos, Varane and Pepe is bad
On paper maybe not but RM has been conceding like two goals per game.

It's not just about the names of their CBs on paper. Barça has been a better defensive team in general so far. Matthieu really added a lot of physical presence in their defense too, something they didn't have last year. And when Vermaelen gets some games they'll be even better.
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Ramos is the most overrated defender in the world. He's not even good at what a central defender is supposed to do because he's out of position all the time due to his aggressive approach. He needs to be at right-back to be at his best. Varane is a natural talent and he's their best CD already. Pepe is efficient, but he's so dislikable (cruel player, diver) I don't want to comment on him further :P
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@weegez: as badge said Real madrid defense is great when it comes to champions league last year and also this year they hold record. on the other hand when barca face big teams in champions league they struggle and their defense gets exposed. on the other hand pepe, varane and ramos step up against big teams in Europe. on conclusion Real madrid have stronger team in Europe then barca thats all.
LMAO what that's literally the opposite of what I said :P
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We had done so well in past games,but this was a tactical error from lucho which is back fired.I think this will be learning curve for him to set up these kind of matches.
@manutdonolove,I don't need any one praising us all the time,but to say we are not enough just because cesc and Alexis left is something out of thing.to be honest,it's been a long while we have this type of complete team,whether we lose to rm or not,this fact will remain same.
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one things for sure. our defence cant get worse than this

http://9gag.com/gag/a3dK4Om
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^Looks like our defence LMAO...

... :'(
jereon, i don't think ramos is overrated, he's one of the best in the world. he doesn't have the same "intelligence" to anticipate as some of the best in recent years but his aggressiveness combined with his athleticism makes him pretty formidable. he's a monster in the air, he's quick, has some decent strength, agility, very comfortable with ball at feet and can pick a pass, etc. as an added bonus, he scores lots of goals as a CB. he's a great defender, and lets be honest, there are not that many top defenders in their peak around these days.

besides, mou is a stickler for defense and he's the one that started playing ramos in CB so that should say everything right there.

lol BearFish, the funny thing is the guy who did nothing wrong (#2) there probably gets the OG, right?!
Do you guys want City to get knocked out because they're our rival or do you want Roma to get knocked out for the possibility to sign Strootman? :P
How about both to get knocked out with city getting europa? lol
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i like and respect rudi garcia's roma. tenacious, technical, and skillful midfielders all over the place.

but yeah i hope they get knocked out so we can sign strootman lol.
@RedFace That would be ideal :D
I want Roma to go through they very good to watch. but if man city goes through last 16 that will be good for us in epl as they drop points if yo know what I mean :P
I rather see City get knocked out. I know we're after Strootman but I just don't ever see myself supporting city for any reason.

Arguably the team I have the least respect for.
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@Badge im throwing my likes at you but it only shows one
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Haha Ttk, good to know I'm not the only one who feels that way :p
you dont have to support city to want roma knocked out, there are 4 teams in the group. not really important to me whether or not city gets to R16 but im hoping roma get knocked out for strootman sale. if they are willing to sell even with R16 then by all means i hope they qualify lol.
anybody watching nani vs chelsea?
I wish
I'm watching PSG vs Barca. Be interested to see how he is doing but still not worth watching the game for him. I have pretty much given up any hope of him finding his old, old form. He wouldn't fit in our team anyway.
What a goal by Totti one of my favorite players.
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Bayern was playing some serious boring football. Pass, pass and more pass, pass back and pass again, chance to shoot, nah, pass again.
+3
Jup Heynkes Bayern >>>> Pep Bayern
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I hate how pep changed their perfect style of play they had with Jupp. It wasn't a suprise madrid beat them so easily last season.

That style doesn't even suit lewandowski he's only got about 2 goals in 7 games.
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Like I said, Pep has f****** ruined Bayern.

I loved the Bayern under Jupp. Fast counter attacking, entertaining Football.
I can sleep in the middle of Bayern's matches now.

I wonder if Bayern fans share the same opinion.

I remember waht they did to Barca under Jupp. Damn that football was just devastating. And Pep comes and f**** it all.
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I suppose none of you saw what Heynckes' teams looked like before that last season of his? Did you even know who he was before that season?

Pep inherited a team of players who won it all and lost a huge chunk of their motivation. Yes, some of you think the football he brings is boring, but if you want a high-intensity team sport, watch some basketball instead then. Pep's Bayern has a higher win percentage than Jupp's Bayern despite the fact they lost most of their motivation. You can find the football boring, but to say he f****d up just proves you're an idiot.
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that's a reasonably arrogant thing to say jeroen. it's not too much to ask for excitement. if you want a snail-pace, low-contact, non-physical, one-sided contest why don't you watch golf or chess? or the clouds in the sky? or the grass grow?

you realise you're in a forum with people who watch the premier league, where a bunch of pale faced north atlantic island monkeys hurtle into each other at 100mph in cool, rainy weather for nine months a year, yes? english football, for all its flaws, is about competition. pep's football is about control, about denying your opponent the opportunity to compete. anti-football, in other words.
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I didn't say Pep f***** up.

I said he f***** their style of play.
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Pep is an academic. By that i mean he is approaching football from an academic, scientific, and artistic standpoint.

Yes he is concerned with results and pleasing fans.

But he is trying something different. Trying to change football. Trying to evolve the game with a style.

He is writing a new symphony. Not that im listening particularly closely( or most fans for that matter). It is interesting none the less.

Just my take on pep
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He may be writing a new symphony but I can't say it's interesting! But like all music, to each their own. But yes, I think us man utd fans appreciate exciting stuff and not the stuff that's turned off a lot of North Americans in the past.

Ever see that clip from the Simpson's of like five guys playing football? All they do is pass between each other the whole time...
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mostly it bugs me when people pretend that the pep way is the only way, as if that's the way football should always have been and all it should be, the way, the truth the light etc. fanatics. in my estimation it is the most boring evolution i've seen in football.
and they have the gall to critisize when teams park the bus against it too, as if somehow it's not playing by the rules. it's stupid, arrogant and obvious... what did you expect anyway? the rest of us are playing football when pep's playing keepaway and people get upset when we prefer football. damn fools
Is there any Serie A follower here that could tell me if Cuadrado can play the Herrera role in our current formation? I am looking at Jan targets for our midfield and backline. Can't find any realistic star CB tho.
I'm not a Serie A follower, but I've seen him play a fair amount for Colombia over the past 4 years or so. From what I've seen he'd be sort of a Mata in that situation. Or maybe a Carzola.

CAM but you can try him in midfield, may be a bit of a liability. Although he's got more muscle than the 2 I mentioned above so maybe he wouldn't get over run as badly.
as for CB that's why I've been upset with critics saying LVG is dumb for not buying a world class CB. Blaming the club for everything when you look at the options who the hell were we going to buy?

Hummels? he made it clear he's not moving just yet. Benatia? Bayern claimed him easily we never had a chance. Vermalen (sp) was one but we have decent injury prone CB's already we don't need another.

we could made a bid for Varane but he's unrealistic as he's Madrids future.
he's a winger for colombia and fiorentina
I've seen him play centrally a few times, he's good there. He's like a wide player that has no problem moving infield. Being a real CM would be a lot to ask for.
Seems like Vertonghen could be a possibility in Jan.

Not saying world class but similar to Vermalen
Vertonghen has 4 years left and it is Spurs we are talking about so I don't think so.

@SIF yes he is a winger, even played wing back, but I am trying to determine if he can he do a job in a midfield diamond, can't see for myself with the vids on YT
Januzaj's goal was incredible. I don't know how people question goals like that. It's something you learn early on in your footballing career.

Yes it's a cross, you're hoping someone gets on the end of it. But you aim it at the far post knowing if nobody gets a nick on it, it should still go in. Completely intentional, probably never thought in a million years he'd hit it just how he wanted but it was perfect. I know it's been discussed but I see doubters and it's proven time and time again how to take that free kick. Well known tactic.


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