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"United's points haul of 38 from 17 games would have been enough to sit top of table at the same stage in four of the last 10 seasons."

And I'm sure in all 10 of them, the gap is less than 5 points, maybe 8. Give City credit. They're really good. But some perspective is helpful, we're not too bad either.
we're not bad, but there's still lots of room for improvement. this summer's activity just re-affirmed we're not quite at the peak of our powers because there are still big gaps in the squad in key areas. we kind of were forced into going with the best we could on the market instead of taking the best out there period. and we didnt address every key area (fullbacks, wide midfield)
like a top team in their pomp signs a lindelof for the future, we needed a top CB right now. A matic rounds out the squad, doest necesarilly start every game (though im not complaining, he's been great).

I don't for a second believe lukaku was the #1 choice, we wanted griezmann. Ibra being hurt complicated things, as did the transfer ban athletico got. Two big players for us injured or suspended for so long (ibra an pog) and the downturn in form of mkhi have really hurt us but we've done OK so far and i think the areas we can improve on are very clear. either way, I think a run into the CL will boost moral and lift spirits, and I think that's on the cards.
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Agreed. RB and LB specifically are still not up to par, Valencia and Young are solid but are getting older and can't attack with the quality needed from modern-day fullbacks. As good as Martial and Rashford have been coming in from the left, we still don't have a natural winger to balance out either side. And our #10 position is in constant flux, although I really like what I've seen from Lingard these past 3-4 games. But Griezmann could still be a possibility.
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I agree with you guys and I have said too many times full backs are very important nowadays in epl. big club like man utd should have at least a full backs and cover for them as well. we are only few players away from winning the whole thing.
Bailly out up to 3 months. Will need surgery.. 🤬
sucks, but at least we have some cover with rojo back
So Ozil for Mkhi in summer? I would do it. I have been very let down by Mkhi, he is Soo talented but just lacks the impact you need from a no10.

Also Grizmann is moving next summer. Maybe we can have him instead?
Ozil will be a great servant to Lukaku and co.
Yes. And Ozil seems to do well under Mou.
on a free? honestly, not a terrible idea. he CAN make others around him shine
Ozil is great when there is quality players around him, hence he shines as the best CAM when playing for Germany
Miki had 21 chances created as of October 2nd. That was third in the PL behind De Bruyne 24 & David Silva 23.For the entire month of October,he created 1 chance, bringing his total to 22.That was 9 more than any other United player.And yet Mou decided to punish him for his poor form and couched him since then.
Also, Ozil had the same type of issues with Mou when both were in Madrid, so it's not really the player but the style and Mou's tactic. Can't put a bird in a cage and expect it to fly.
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If you guys could sack Mourinho and get Klopp/Ancelotti at the end of the season if you finish 3rd and reach semis of CL would you do it?
Klopp would never come lol and United fans will never want him now
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Big no to Klopp, cause he still needs to prove it in the premier league. And No to Ancelotti as well. He was poor for Bayern Mourinho is better than them anyway. So unless it's Pep, big NO because I don't see any managers better than Mourinho or Pep in world football.
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Nope. I trust Mou more than the names you mentioned.
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@Sergio unfortunately you are right. hahaha. Was always a big fan of Klopp until... Pretty biased. I do like his attacking approach to games. Also like mou though. Think the critics towards him are very harsh.
We are missing our motor in midfield. if we had sort of a back up to pogs we would be playing much better in his absence. And Mhiki not playing well is a huge loss aswell. That is 4 of our 6 major signings from last 2 years (not counting lindelof as a major signing) missing games due to injury or in the case of mhiki not playing well.
So all will be good if pogs gets back. And we find a good number 10. We will be fine and see lot more attacking football.
I honestly remember a long thread on this page discussing about Top-3 managers in the world and who united pick to replace Moyze. and great majority placed Klopp and Carlo above Jose. At that time he was at Chelsea and we were trying to make a case that he has achieved more than Klopp, but everyone dismissed it saying he was too negative and would not succeed without money.

Anyways Carlo has won league title in all the Top-5 leagues in the world and won 3 Champions league titles. Just because he dint click at Bayern(Dint win CL) doesnt make him any less than Pep or Jose. Lets remember what Pep won at Bayern to make his failure forgettable?
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Well I'm sure some placed Jose lower because of the negative tactics he uses. I can see Ancelotti managing here. Easy, he is made for the big clubs but not Klopp. Klopp had a horrible season for Dortmund and Liverpool still haven't reached the promised Land yet. So there is a question mark over him and we can't take that chance.

I'm sorry, but Mourinho and Klopps achievement is not really a debate. I don't know who you were talking to but all you have to do it google it and you can find out.
Yaldho - I understand that Jose and Klopp is not even a debate and i was surprised as you are when some actually did place him above.
Anyways my point is very clear. How is that you neglected poor season Pep had at Bayern and consider him in Top-2, but Carlo who had similar failure as Pep at Bayern is not good enough anymore in-spite of winning 3 CL(more than Pep) and league title in all top-5 leagues in the world.
Klopp has proven he can sign quality wingers...which is what we need.
However, since he joined LFC, he went from badass to bitch in my eyes
If Mou was to go, the best option is Carlo - Carlo style is very similar to SAF, compact defence and quick counters. Proven in England and UCL.
Bayern was the only glitch for Carlo. However he may be headed to his old club AC Milan as they have money to spend again but very poor for this season.
However its best if Mou will stay on for few more years unless he wants to manage PSG
Jose and Ancelloti are way ahead of Klopp as managers. Klopp not very good in finals up until this point, and the pull-factor for me before he went to Liverpool is that he was likable; now that's not so much the case, for obvious reasons.

Carlo is a very respectable coach and was actually my first choice after Moyes (Heynckes was my first after SAF). But I like Jose here; 3rd place and a CL semi would be a disappointment considering where we are atm, but it's not enough to warrant a sack for me. I'm sure there would be United fans that disagree.
sacking Jose will only hinder the growth UTD have made, last year you guys were 6th and this year you were challenging for the title and if it was any other time because City are too good right now, you would be favorites to win the title, regardless of his defensive approach he has tried changing his tactics up going to 3 at the back, attacking top teams eg Chelsea, Arsenal ( exclude Pool game ) instead of sitting back
what kind of injury did bailly suffer? feels like he's been out for months.
I thinks it's an Ankle injury.
and a serious one according to the official instagram account of the club
Profile pic is a little outdated SIF, eh? :)
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You shouldn't be talking Joey.... Lol
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Lol true, true.
Schweini is an all time great who we're lucky to have play for us, but Depay is Depay, but hey now Ole is a United legend!
Anyone said anything about old profile pics? Did you hear the joke of Peter Schmeichel's sperm won the PL before Liverpool :)
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At this rate even raheem sterling's spermshot will win a PL before liverpool
All hail the deadly trio and let it be as great as the holy trinity.
Angel Gomes signed a professional contract yesterday. Great news.
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only 4 years since SAF and never been in the wildernes, 2nd at the top of europe's toughest league, only 10 points behind shitty, shed loads of games to play, ahead of chelsea(!!!) yesterday we win another gritty battle, luka broke his goals drought (I like the fact he didn't celebrate), mcto is quick developing, mou's giving shaw some serious lurv, young turned into a class act, pogba's back from injury, zlatan roams like a lion seekin whom he can devour...

why am I alone thinking happy days?!
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Mctommy looks solid in the middle, I am excited to see how he can do along with Pogba and Matic in a midfield 3. I think he was playing more defensively yesterday and put a good shift in.
With Pogboom playing, our game goes up another 2 gears, without a doubt.

Lukey won the Man of the match, thats a huge confidence boost for him. Good to see that not all is lost, he must really use this as an opportunity to train harder and stake his claim.

Everyone was supporting Lukaku and thats great to see. The big guy must be under immense pressure, but even after the game most players tweeted support to Lukaku.

Definitely exciting, hope we can grab 2nd place this season. Would be a great achievement considering where we were before Mou came with the whole team in shambles. We are 2 or 3 genuine world class players (striker + winger) away from being a top European team so Im excited for the summer already haha

Only thing worrying is Eric Bailey injury from international break which Mou said is serious and may be having surgery or out for a long time.
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I agree I feel like this team is still in transition. even though jose 2nd year is always guarantee success. This time around I dont think we added good additions to our squad with the exception of matic. What about the Champions league I think we can go far and team will be motivated to reach semi-finals at leas
Can't wait till Ibra gets his swag back
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Rashford has a cannon on him. If he can get his accuracy right we might be in store for some Ronaldo-eqsue strikes in the future.
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And he's shooting much more often these days. It's either Mou's orders or he's training hard on his shots.
He is becoming an athletic all-rounder at incredible speed. He was a speedy poacher in his first season, but he can do so much more now like long shots, freekick, set piece, corner taker.
Didn't get to watch the game. (looks like it is a good thing reading the comments) How did Shaw play tho?
Not a great performance again but a much needed win after the derby humiliation
And dropped points elsewhere


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