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did anyone else see this

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2865575/manchester-uniteds-marcus-rashford-reminds-me-of-myself-ronaldo

O.o

wow! that's unexpected.
Thought it was Cristiano, then it got better.
Ranieri said Huth pulled Fellaini's hair because his hair is long and it is similar to just pulling a shirt. LOL
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So according to him, if a player has a long private part its ok to pull it I guess?
if liverpool end up winning the europa final, or even being compeititve, i think it proves the current performance gap in europe isn't mainly down to the players' quality, but rather it's down to the tactics/manager.

the managerial quality and euro pedigree needs to improve.

with pep and klopp coming in, we may actually see english teams do a lot better in europe..even if it's simply by prioritizing euro games more at the cost of league form. liverpool sacrificed the weekend game for this result.

we could also see confirmation of our league as the most demanding in europe. maybe the other fans in other leagues can shut their pie hole about the quality in the premier league for once.
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English teams, especially in Europa need to really go for it. After seeing Liverpool take down Dortmund, I'm sure if we went all out over two legs we could've done the same. Kind of disappointing that we didn't even try.
i can see why poch did it. the only point in winning europa was to be in CL. you were already on target for that, and had a chance to win the league, so he made the right call in the end.. except if you were more interested in having a europa trophy than just getting CL properly and maybe winning the title.
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every team improving except for us.
Bit naive to say that it all depends on managers. it is a compbination of everything - luck, managerial quality and quality of players etc

winning the europha league gives you both "title" and ucl place for next season. poch should have gone for it.
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"if liverpool end up winning the europa final, or even being compeititve, i think it proves the gap in europe isn't down to the players' quality, but rather it's down to the tactics/manager."

so,this prove moyes > lvg.lolol

Yes, its really down to manager, we gotten s**t because of Moyes. Could have gotten better if we didn't have him in our history book.
No offense, but are you trying to be a joke? How is that Prove Moyes > LVG?!?
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Winning Europa gives you a CL qualifying spot, it doesn't guarantee CL group stages.

Obviously more than the manager is important. I specifically said the gap in performances in Europe. Liverpool are in a final now that they would be nowhere near under Rodgers. I don't think that's an accident. The English teams have good players but have been underperforming, I think it's down to tactics and have been saying so for a while but obviously other factors are at play but managers are the biggest cluprit in current failures.
Winning europa guarantee you cl group stage,finishing fourth in the league only get you cl qualifying spot.
Really? Oh, my bad, I thought it was just a qualifying spot... Well still don't blame poch for believing he could win the title and prioritizing that. It's trophy but at the end of the day no one is counting Europa titles. Sevilla have made three straight finals, no one (outside of spain maybe) really cares unfortunately lol.
Europa league semis were much more entertaining than the champions league semi finals.
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Well the City Madrid game was disgustingly boring, the Bayern Athelitco ones were pretty action packed.
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man, everytime i look up kante, he's seemingly another year older.
Maybe, for his sake, you should stop looking him up.

haha j/k
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Lol good one
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^Maybe you just look him up once a year
Haha this game is awesome. No way there is not a red card. I would say at this point it's going to Villarreal but you never know with these UEFA refs. They always seem to fall for..."certain countries" BS
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Quite funny that LvG video up top.
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You are naughty eh?
If you look at LVG, whether he forced it or not he has done pretty well giving the youths a chance. Your team is quite young in that aspect barring a couple great signings that need to be made to replace some older players.

Having said that if he continues to be manager for one more season I think he'd make a few of these young kids permanent in the team. This is unlike a Mourinho who would most likely go right into the transfer market to do a complete overhaul.

Is it really worth it or can you wait one more season?

In Arsenal's case I'd like Wenger to have one more season in order to do the same given the circumstance.
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Apparently he's involved with alot of the planning for next season, yet it feels like even a top 4 finish with a FA cup victory isn't enough to save his job. With the rumors that we might have to pay 15mil if we don't hire mourinho, I dunno whats gonna happen.

On a financial side, our value has dropped alot so the higher ups might opt to bring in a big name for a quick fix.
i think he's done well given how poor our squad is. we have spent a lot but also lost a lot of players, and on the balance our recruitment has been poor given the investment, but that's not entirely his fault.

the play should be better, and for a time we were the most boring side in the league, and we still have an embarrassing goal record, but i dont think he trusts the current players to play as expansive as we did in some stages last season. if you recall, we really struggled early on and were playing a 3 at the back system. then he moved to a midfield diamond and we were playing good football, scoring goals, but we were conceding late or losing control late. then he shut up shop once we had all those injuries. this season we dont have di marias and rvps going forward so we've been more concerned with positional play and being hard to beat. i think he's got the team a lot more organized than it ever was since fergie retired. he's brought through some young players as well and mostly found balance right up until the final third.

the next step is to get that missing wc quality to push us over the line and give us the proper depth for competing for major trophies. compared to the days of having 4 top strikers, our department now only has rashford who is trusted up top, and he's 18 and cant be expected to be consistent. in the days of vidic and rio or other two solid cbs we only have smalling, who has done well, and a cdm in blind who has done ok generally but great considering it's not his natural position and isnt suited for it. we still lack in CM as well as carrick and bastien dont have the legs needed to boss box to box. schneiderlin is still finding his feet. herrera is ok most of the time, not world class and not worthy of a starting spot week in week out.

on the wings we have great potential on the left in marial and depay but rw is a bit light with only lingard trusted there. we need a proper RW and more goal scorers but there are gaps all over the place. i just dont think lvg will be able to solve all of that in one season, and even if he does, if the next manager is mourinho the script will be ripped up and we will play a completely different style of football.
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@Barracuda our value has certainly not dropped.

http://www.barrons.com/articles/manager-ron-barons-favorite-stock-picks-1461385062?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo

Financially, as a corporation, Man U is stronger then ever. I think we will see bigger and bigger names in the next couple seasons.
That website isn't showing much, but the stock prices have certainly dropped abit.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10240193/manchester-united-value-falls-163400m-during-poor-season
stock prices rise and fall with the passing of gas man, the market is anything but stable. if we win the fa cup and or get top 4, watch the stocks bounce back in a heart beat.
Right SIF. I think he has finally figured out a system that's probably why the hesitancy in bringing Mouro in next season. I think one more season is needed. I mean c'mon who's Mourinho going to bring in next season if you guys don't make Champs League? Name ID isn't enough anymore. And way too many clubs will be after the same top players (strikers and CD's).
I'd let Van Gaal stay for another season rather than bring in Mourinho.
Chances are we can say goodbye to Fosu-Mensah, Rashford, KBJ, etc if Mourinho takes over.
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^ that
Mou has never benched a player simply for being young. All those saying he doesn't promote youth or give them chances are simply just going by what they've fed"public perception "

I don't want Mou near United and you know why? Because he's a f*cking winner. Not because of some untrue myth.

It's your club and you guys have the right to appoint whoever you want but I just got tired of people making claims without any proof.
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i'd say the proof is in all the players he has let go instead of developed, such as kdb and lukaku. you've got to give youth chances, even when they do not impress. he doesn't really have a track record of promoting anyone from the academies, does he? correct me if i am wrong.
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though everybody makes mistakes, he had too much quality at that point to invest in young players. I think situation with our club for him would be different. I bet in contract special attribute would be for him to work with youth rather than buy ready made superstars unless best suited for the club would be available.

Also to note, we dont have same name or market stability to bring in best of best wc players anymore. I think he will be forced to use what he has unless something shows up on the market. I honestly dont see Mou splashing cash as many fans think due to above.
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sorry didnt realize its not much of an article without membership. but yeah basically theres a lot of big investors confident in MANU. id say the club is in good shape financially
So the problem is that most of you guys didn't follow Mou or are just well informed about his path.

First off, Mou was brought in to win trophies at Chelsea where the pressure to win is the highest at owner level than any club in the country. So most of his actions where to meet his goals and not because he had anything against youth. He protected himself and his quest to win.

Secondly, it's untrue that let players leave. They wanted to leave because of little to few playing chances.
Did you expect Mou to play Lukaku over Drobga ? Lukaku himself came out to say how Mou asked him to stay and that long term wise, he was in his plans...but he wanted to leave...he took to the press and started talking. We loaned him out and eventually sold him..Mou NEVER asked for him to be sold.

Kdb...he was a starter for Mou above Willian but Willian overtook him after a couple of starts. Instead of fighting for his place, he asked to be sold...he said he didn't even want a loan deal..just sale.. again Mou asked him personally to stay but he refused.

I believe Mou could have managed this situation better but he did win the league without him and made to the semis of the UCL the prior year.

Youth topic... You just proved that you don't really know much about Mou..

One of the reasons he hasn't been able to bring through lot of youth is because he hasn't really been anywhere for long but he has brought through some kids.

At Benfica, he played Diogo Luis in the first team constantly even though he was only there for 1 year

At UNIAO, he brought through JOAO PAULO

At PORTO, he used RICARDO COSTA, HUGO LUIZ AND JUCA. All youth players.

At CHELSEA, he used Ake on several occasions. Andreas Christense, Anthony Grant , REX, John Swift, Courtoius, LEnny Pidgeley , John Smith etc...some didn't impress..they were sent on loan but he did give them chances...maybe the question is, enough chancez? Bearing the pressure and demand to win silverware, I'll leave you to judge him.

At Inter,

Mou had RENE Krhin and Davide Santon regularly in his team's...these were youth players.

Real Madrid... he played Jese, Alex Fernandez, Nacho, Tomas Mejias and benched Casillas for a younger keeper...he benched Cech for a younger keeper and before Cech, he bench Cud.

So your arguments are all myths...things people just say simply because they don't know any bettet
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sorry mate i didnt follow his team selection in all other clubs but the truth is Mou doesnt have time to promote youths, those chelsea players you mentioned were just given 5mins or at best 10mins to go, after Kalas put suarez in his pocket for his first start Mou send him back to bench and loan him out the following season. youth players also needs hands on their elbow to encourage them rather than using media to criticize them.
I believe I gave legit reasons for why he didn't give "enough " chances...also, Mou plays his best players...if his best player at a time is a kid, trust me...he doesn't care..the kid will be played.

About player criticism, every manager has his style..Mou has proven that with success...you'll find very few former Mou players who would bad mOuth him compared to LVG,PEP and others.
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Gapha is right, Mou was never really tested in clubs that dont put much pressure on results. While its result based game, Real and Chelsea are over the top result based clubs.

If we gave this LVG clown already 2 years, I dont see why would we not have a go with Mou and give him time and see what he does. I liked his Inter Milan and Real side a lot, at least when I was watching games I knew what was happening on the field.
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Guys, I'm not sure, but I think Gapha might be a fan Mourinho.
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shocker, young talent that didn't get enough playing time eventually ask to leave chelsea!! who would have seen it coming?!

Lol air-thin defense mate, you mentioned 0 players he bought through at chelsea. and you're really going to mention courtois as someone he developed? when courtois was a world star for atletico while on loan? give me a break.

again, his record speaks for himself, he doesn't bring academy players through.

@Standard well that clown's got an fa cup final to his name, i don't know what qualifies you to call him a clown, but i think he has shown he's a decent manager. his record in the big games speaks for itself. his trophy cabinet speaks for itself. the players he's brought through speaks for itself. he's got its flaws, and he's been far from what we expected, but he's a good manager nonetheless. just not a miracle worker, and not able to immediately bring us back to the top, but i think he's already laid the foundation for whoever takes over when he leaves.
You really have no argument other than he doesn't bring players through..wow. Did you not read my rant?

You also said he brought 0 players thru at Chelsea.

So I wonder who made RLC a permanent first team member ? I just wonder

Also, do you by any chance know if bringing youth through by all means is a target for him per the board? Be objective here and think about the possibilities of that not being an immediate target for him

I also gave reasons as to why its extremely difficult to give youth enough chances at a club like Chelsea.

About Courtoius, wow..you really are surprised ? Didn't Mou ask the board to bring him back? Didn't Mou play him ahead of cexh? Or you just don't want to give him credit?

Who brought Varane through ? Who benched pepe and Ramos for Varane.
You have a prejudice..i have given you rationale yet you fail to see through
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RLC, is he an established first team member? i've never even seen him play for chelsea tbh. what makes him established? did he get a new deal or something? how many times did mourinho play him? im curious.

i know the courtois situation, he threatened to leave if they club didnt make him number one. chelsea did the math, cech is at the end of his career, losing courtois at the beginning was not a smart play. but lets not pretend courtois was brought through by mourinho, that's a joke. he was already established as one of the world's best before he ever played for mourinho.

wait did varane come from madrid's academy? or did you completely ignore the fact that buying first team talent is not the same as bringing through academy players. you dont see anyone here claiming martial is a utd academy product. sure if you are one of the best, why wouldnt mourinho play you? thats not what we are discussing here, we're talking about developing your own talent. if he buys young players, thats fine, that's part of utd's tradition anyways, thats not unheard of.
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Other than youth, there's still the third season syndrome to Mou. Teams needed rebuilding after just 3 years.
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RLC was about to be added to the loan system..in the 2013 season, Mou said he won't be going anywhere and that he'll be made a first teamer. He was brought into the team the next year and played as much games as Obi and more in the CL group stages actually.

Since you've never seen him play for Chelsea when he's actually played, what does that make you? Someone who's arguing about something he knows very little about.

Also, who recalled Betrand Traore from loan and made him a permanent member of the Chelsea first team squad? The answer is Mou.

I mentioned Varane because he was young with more experienced players in the squad yet Mou chose him over others...is this a man afraid of playing kids? The fact that he isn't from the academy doesn't matter.

Also, did you forget about the other players I listed from Porto, inter and benfica? Or are you just working on winning an argument ?

What I've provided dismissed any claim of Mou not giving Youth a chance...again, maybe enough chances?

But since we know the pressure at Chelsea and madrid, I'm sure deep down, you probably already know why these chances will be limited in places like that.

Did you know that Mou has given youth more chances at both clubs than CARLO ? NOW that you're informed, let me ask you, why don't people associate carlo with "not giving Youth a chance"

You know why? Because it's a "perception " an untrue myth.

I really hope Mou doesn't make it to United so we can all be happy.

Cheers !
lol at he gave RLC a chance.

I remember Mourinho making a big deal about giving him a chance. He played about 5-10 mins in a DEAD RUBBER in Champions league match IIRC. & some match after title was clinched.

Basically, he is ready to give chance to youth in matches that aren't relevant to accomplishing his goals.

Have a look at the turnover of players during his time or his rotation preferences instead of reeling off random names.
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Smh...i hate wasting my time on folks who don't read or follow a club yet think they know everything.

5 -10 minutes? That's all he's done under Mou? What about games he's started? What about other times when he's come on after 70th , 80th minutes ? What about him playing more than mikel Obi at some point?

The thing is, people have their bias and prejudice and are not open minded enough to learn. I've given you several clubs and examples yet you still try to find someone untrue to talk about.

Did you not see the Carlo example as to why people don't talk him not giving Youth chances?

And what does it matter what game a manager chooses to play youth in? The risk is his and he has every right to decide.

You don't make any valid points I'm sorry
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well you have your bias as well, the only name you've brought up for chelsea that seems it may be legitimate is RLC, and you haven't answered whether he's integrated into the first team, i haven't even seen him play but i don't watch as many chelsea games as you have obviously.

RLC has played roughly 450 minutes all season, that's 5 games. i cant say that's definitely "brought through" and 140 of those came before january.. wasnt mou sacked in december? lol so he gave him a game and a half over the first 5 months. that's bringing players through? c'mon mate.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/255777/Fixtures/Ruben-Loftus-Cheek
I'm convinced now that you don't read..Betrand Traore?

yes he's a first team squad player...and how convenient of you to pick up minutes in EPL n claim all season...
how about games played?

and why did you ignore the Mikel obi stats or why Carlo isn't labeled the same way as mou?

I saw how you got upset when someone called LVG clown but i remember you calling Mou a prick and going on to defend yourself...if this isn't just hate for the guy, I don't know what is.
I'm done here
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when did macabi tel aviv join the premier league mate? half those 140 minutes under mou were in champions league.

bertrand traore.. has 284 minutes all season..

before mou got sacked.. he had a grand total of 30... you're not doing yourself any favors mate, just concede/admit it, mou hasn't really brought any youngsters through at chelsea.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/109807/Fixtures/Bertrand-Traore
1 side arguer. all i see is hate
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Lol not hate, just fact mate. i didn't make up those numbers, you should be blaming mourinho, not me or my "hate." fact is he didnt play many youngsters, and given chelsea's poor form i can see why, but it's damning that these youngsters have all played more minutes once he was sacked, and your team also did better once mou was sacked. thats a concern imo
i gave u lots of examples and even explain carlo situation..you are not interested in any of those

not forgetting your history of talking s**t and constantly taking digs at the guy..
how do I even expect any objectivity from you?

I asked questions about target of clubs he's been at and how KDB started and so forth... but you come back with same unproven myths.

I'm done here. you are clearly incapable of seeing any positives or rationale as far as mou is concerned
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I dont know those other teams u mentioned so i cant comment. You could be xompletely off as with rlc/traroe and i wouldnt know.

I dont know how carlo is relevant here either. Mou may get the utd job, Carlo is already going to Bayern.be Carlo is a hugely likeable guy to fans media and players alike. He also plays attacking football. He's naturally going to be afforded more slack by fans because he ticks more boxes than mourinho. No one's debating his youth promotion record for thst reason. Youth is not the only reason mourinho isn't a good fit, it isn't even the main reason. Negative football and negative headlines, and in the back of my mind, he doesn't last three seasons and it ends in flames.

I want you to sit and count how many minutes KDB played for chelsea in his first season under mourinho. it's less than 430 minutes TOTAL. that's less than 5 games across all competitions. now what was your argument about kdb again?

http://www.transfermarkt.com/kevin-de-bruyne/leistungsdaten/spieler/88755/plus/0?saison=2013

i dont talk s**t about mou, i have no idea what "digs" you are referring to either. i have a lot of respect for him and his accomplishments, i just dont think he is a good fit for the club. it's that simple. you are telling all these anecdotes but the stats say something totally different, these guys were not given a chance, and in fact have played more once mourinho was gone. that's what you're failing to see but im the stubborn one, eh? mourinho gave a combined 170 minutes in 5 months to your two chelsea players you claim he brought through, you refuse to acknowledge that fact, but im the one who is biased and being unreasonable. sure. you're leaving this conversation because you arguments are the myths mate.
Another youth signing closing in for us, 17yo Polish keeper Kacper Chorazka. I think that's the 4th in 3 months.
yeah apparently that giant serbian keeper we signed couldnt get a work permit so we released him after 18 months. strange signing, that. lots of talent coming through poland, i think moyes had the right idea sending more scouts to that region with poland, croatia etc.
Did Yaya Toure really run 30 metres in the course of the first half in the CL game? lol
He looked very lazy on the ball and shouted a lot at his team mates.


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