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legend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubsCRe609k&list=UU7w8GnTF2Sp3wldDMtCCtVw

didnt know woody was an olympiakos fan
United before Moyes: we are manchester united and we do what we want

United during Moyes: we are manchester united and we will try our best
the cheek.

but you're right. :(
We do what we want, and what we want at the moment is trying our best :c
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well this is weird

http://gyazo.com/4b22464229adc6ce140db584c9d37278
how are we THIS crappy?

There was a pretty good analysis of why we've sucked this season posted by someone last week. Showed photos of us standing around in straight lines while defending, huge gaps when we're going forward and going for the far passes instead of the obvious passes 5 feet away from the guy with the ball. This was that article in action.

Realmanchester wrote what I was thinking the whole time while watching the game: one step forward, two steps back.

Nani looks scared to take people on (maybe Moyes should have given him more game time before this game). Rooney looked scared to pull the trigger. And that handball... oh man, what was Jones thinking? I'm sure it's probably some kind of natural reflex to want to block the ball but it was SO obvious and looked an easy save for De Gea anyway!

I said it before that I'm trying to stand behind Moyes but it's these performances that make it so hard. I don't believe that a manager should be sacked so quickly but it scares me to give this man a war chest only to have the team play like this.
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Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 34s
Danny Welbeck has strong, local ties with #MUFC. But it is true. As it stands, he does want to leave. Frustrated by lack of games
he's got 32 appearances this season. just another player and agent trying to get a better deal, as far as i'm concerned. he's got 2 years left on contract and i'm sure this is just all part of some ruse to get a better deal. just a few weeks ago he started our biggest game of the season vs bayern munich, he cant really be complaining about minutes, especially since he's got more under his belt than chicharito.

at any rate the club wont sell him, i think this is just to get a feel for which other clubs may be interested in his services. the fact that moyes had immediately responded to this rumor told me that it's more than just a rumor but i don't think danny will be going anywhere.
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Damm, even Welbz is having a go at the club.
Everton fans share their views on their legendary old manager, Moyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jziP5oAn8&list=UU7w8GnTF2Sp3wldDMtCCtVw
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inb4 "They're disgraceful, have absolutely no respect for a manager who made them a top table team."

"They must have a short term memory, before he arrived there they were almost relegated!"
__________

Now, although that might be true...honestly can you blame them? What they've said might've been negative in respects to Moyes, but they didn't lie. Unfortunately it's the sad truth.

Whether people like to admit it or not; Moyes has always been a negative manager when it came to his football. His approach to the game, everything...really the man should've never been considered for the job.
It was never going to be a good fit. He's never done anything that is, was or should be considered "the United way".

David Moyes is the exact opposite of everything that is "Manchester United" His football was always conservative, He's reactive and not proactive, he has no charisma, no character...he's not a winner!

..And this is obvious for all to see. He lacks the confidence and swagger to take this club forward, all because he's not a winner! He never was and you can see this in his demeanor, his body language, the way he sulks into his chair, the way he talks, his press conferences, the constant use of the verb trying?

When SAF came here he said: "I'm going to knock Liverpool off their perch." Done! He didn't say he'll try? United doesn't "try" , they just do. Fergie didn't "try" , he just did!

David Moyes is a good human being and a humble man, for that alone I want to see him succeed and do good, unfortunately I just don't see it happening here...he's not cut out for this job. Never had the right credentials to begin with.

I sincerely wish him all the best, wherever that may be, however it's obvious it's not going to be here. We should cut our losses, whilst it's not too late.
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Fergie hired him based on the type of person he is, not the type of manager he has shown himself to be.

That's looking like an unfortunate decision right now.
Martinez is building a pretty house on the foundations build by Moyes. I would like to see how good a team Martinez can built from scratch. I saw what he did at Wigan and it wasnt all that successful. City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham- these are the teams that Everton will have to compete with and all these teams have way more financial ability than them. Will be interesting to see where Martinez can take this team.
Who gives a damn if Martinez is building a pretty house on Moyes's foundations. Moyes is taking a wrecking ball to Fergie's much stronger foundations.

We don't need a manager who can build from scratch, we're already a huge club. We need a manager who can win
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Yaldho I have nothing against the "give moyes time" supporters like you but the funny thing is you never give us a reason why Moyes should be given time without using the same excuse like "It's Fergies squad"

moyes hasn't shown any sign of improvement since the start of the season instead it's gone from bad to worse
That wasnt supposed to be an excuse for Moyes's poor display at United. I was just stating that Moyes built a club rather than a team at Everton. Martinez brought another dimension to that team and have been brilliant at what he has achieved till now. Im just not sure how fruitful the Everton-Martinez relationship will be on the long run.

Edit: CJ, taking over from Ferguson is the worst managerial job in football. Dosent matter who it was, he was going to struggle to get away from his shadow. The only reason I say give the manager time is not because I believe he will be successful but I think thats the fair think to do. Especially a club like us, we have a history of being fair to managers. I dont want us to have a sacking mentality at this club and I feel this clubs philosophy is at stake. Maybe I am being a bit too naive and in modern day football there is no place for such things. Still i think we should at least give him till december.
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Still is not the excuse on how poor we've been this season. Using the poor is an understatement It's hard to find the right word to describe how bad our season has been.

I don't know if you know this mate but before Fergie we were chopping and changing. Remember when Fergie joined us we were a big club but not as big as we are now. Our reputation has increased since then and now we're going downhill. I can't see any world class players who would be so eager to play under moyes when our rival clubs would be interested in them too.
Yes, we had different managers but we gave them fair amount of time. The players may not be eager to work under Moyes but they will definitely be ready to work for the right amount of money. 1 season out of the champions league wont make us unattractive. As Garry Neville said the name itself of this club has a massive pull on players.
Don't know what to put as a header for this pic, but I think it might actually be the case lol.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BltLS1lIUAEIr93.jpg
One problem no young
Tata Martino will be sacked this summer because Barca did not make CL semis and probably not win la liga , though they were Copa finalist and will finish top 3 in la liga!!!

and we are sticking with Moyes after he brought the champions to 7th ,breaking all kinda of records , horrible display in every and all 4 competitions.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Fergie and Bobby , we love you , but supporting this clown hurt UNited and I think United Deserve better

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#moyesout
He gets one more season. If there's no improvement by Christmas, he's got to be out, regardless of the six-year deal.

We're a business, but we're still a football club that should demand success. Failure in the league hurts both of those aspects of the club. I think the fans have done a relatively good job being supportive of Moyes and his failures. Not all the blame's on him, but he's the manager, so he needs to get us to where we need to be. It's as simple as that, really.

6 points out of 36 isn't acceptable, not when you lose to WBA, Newcastle, Everton at OT on top of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd9EoW96zTQ

Well he seems to be losing the away support as well, something he claims to be behind him 100%. Well, just like everything he's said and done this season, that statement is completely bullshit as well.
What a maroon
any links to the full match??
not sure you want to see it
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we really do lack pace. all over the pitch we have slow or immobile players. time and time again mirales and coleman in particular were running away from shinji, buttner and whoever else while our attackers like mata and nani and shinji couldn't go by anyone in open space. mata in particular was dispossessed way too often today while nani didn't create much of anything (long injury layoff, shouldn't expect too much anyways). also, against the counter, fletcher and carrick were just chasing shadows.

i never knew how quick coleman was, though i knew about his stamina. he continuously left markers for dead on the break. provided a great pass for mirales' goal but honestly we were unorganized and had too many gaps today at the back. made it easy for them. luckily for us naismith didn't wear his shooting boots today... a better player would have scored a hattrick today playing off of space created by lukaku.

when we went on a counter today our players eventually got hawked down and lost possession or had to play a backpass. when everton broke there was more space and they were mostly getting to our final third with ease due to their pace and direct play (lukaku was by and large very good as a target man today). also did well in wide areas; their crosses were finding men while ours were dealt with comfortably by stones and distin. all those tiny cams and rooney really had no chance in the air and the short passing wasn't yielding chances either because they were compact and organized.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/9275795/premier-league-roberto-martinez-hails-everton-players-after-win-over-manchester-united

watch the interview. very interesting comments. we dominated possession and everton just kept countering but that was not their intent, thats not what they practiced leading up to this game. they had to adapt to us, which is interesting to hear given baines' comments earlier in the week about moyes being reactive and martinez being unyielding in attacking philosophy. the way they attacked it looked as though that was their plan all along, at least in the second half, but they found a way to cope early on and in the second half they were very convincing on the break.

so we've gone for the possession based game the last couple of league matches. works well vs the small teams but we keep getting punished by the teams with some quality because our defense is s**t, particularly against sides with pace and width, meanwhile we are not passing or moving with enough pace to stretch teams.

there's been a lot of talk of moyes being too negative and reactive but he played lots of technical attacking players today and we gave it a go. we just couldn't find the right pass in the final third, but that takes time to develop, and sometimes it just doesn't work and you need a plan b. however, if you want a change in style you have to keep at it so i don't think we should give up with that approach. thats what takes time to develop and why actual transition periods are needed. maybe if we had played like this all season we would have mastered this strategy by now.

i felt moyes made appropriate changes as well, bringing on strikers (added some pace and directness, chicha created our best chance of the match), taking out the fatigued players, trying to add some width and pace valencia from a fullback position etc.. but defenders cost us the match. once everton got the penalty they knew they could just sit back and hit us on the break. it was always going to be tough and the couple of chances we did create, rooney (or smalling) fluffed badly. game would have been finely poised if we had taken one of our chances and made it 2-1.

long-winded comment but generally we needed a bit of pace and direct running today in the wide areas. more importantly, we needed some organization and composure in defense. the defense really screwed us over. not only were the handball and the failed offside trap poor decisions, time and time again we were beaten in the air by lukaku and the second ball put us on the back foot over and over while pacy players had all the time and space in the world on the break.

so areas to work on: we need some pace in the wide areas that still offer technical ability. a goal scorer is needed, but more importantly someone who is a willing runner and can run in behind to stretch the defense (i guess a walcott or even better a reus type, if we can ditch 1-2 or our current widemen). welbeck can be an option for us at times but he isnt a natural wide player so we can't count on him for chance creation.

get a cb who is athletic and can win the ball in the air. jones and evans don't fill me with confidence, and smalling isn't as good as he should be given his height due to lousy technique.

find a suitable rb cover for rafa and get in a lb who has pace and can defend reliably.

finally, get some more athletic players to shield the defense. carrick was a spectator today. his forward passes were not very accurate and he did not do a good enough job shielding the defense on the counter. he's been very ineffective this season in most games imo. fletch showed good energy and had some good moments with retaining possession but he's really lacking some pace.

none of these should come as a shock but i think today's game highlighted these issues very clearly. everton score two goals way too easily based on poor defending on our part, and then hit us on the counter over and over again exposing our lack of pace in certain key areas. if we will insist on playing tiny cams we need some aggressive athletic DMs who can still pass and retain possession. we also need fullbacks who can provide width without being liabilities in defense.
some key/interesting facts:

poor:
mata and rooney lead our team in times dispossessed today. mata lost the ball 6 times (one lead to the mirales goal) and rooney 5 times.

jones and evans won 38% and 20% of their aerial challenges, respectively.

would also like to see the numbers of times our defenders were dribbled by. coleman and mirales just ran past our players all day.

positives:
buttner lead the team with 7 tackles and had no fouls; most of those slide tackles were perfectly timed. (his awareness of the line isn't great but central defenders should be communicating to keep the line organized in the first place.)

hernandez came off the bench yet led our team in chances created (2) and successful dribbles (3). the chance he created for rooney was our best opportunity of the match.

lessons?
while jones and evans are our best defenders at bringing the ball out the back (possession was clearly our gameplan today), smalling just isn't very good crosser and provides no proper width while jones/evans combo is suspect in the air.

in hindsight hernandez should have gotten more minutes today and the attacking trio in behind were too ineffective. wish adnan was used but i understand the idea in not using him too much in his first few seasons.

also we have some nice passers in the team now but we are desperately in need for some real athletes. we are missing pace, strength, energy and aggression to complement the tiny technical or otherwise cerebral players. we need some brawn to complement the wannabe artisans on the pitch. our strongest runners (valencia and weleck) are either two one dimensional or don't offer enough chance creation and goals from wide areas.
100% agree with everything you said. We tried to play the so called good football today but our defense let us down big time. Also the players seemed to give up after 70 mins. They look ready for the summer break which is not great to see. We did very well in terms of controlling the game but never looked like we could score one goal. Saw somethings which gave me hope but then we gave away those goals on the counter (our major weakness). Hopefully we could implant that pace and intensity we lacked. Anyhow this season is gone. Can only get better or so i hope.
So me wanting Griezmann is not that crazy after all. He has pace and quality that we could use.

He has 2 years left on his contract.


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