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rafa wont play, seems to have did his groin in training on friday. this is getting ridiculous, we need another rightback. 7 separate injuries last season and he's already got a knock after 1st pre season game.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/26/louis-van-gaal-to-speak-with-jose-mourinho-over-luke-shaw

and now they say shaw is earning 100k per week, down from 130k just yesterday lol.
I said it below his injuries keep recurring every season.
Daily Mail said it was 120k this morning lmao.

No one knows what Shaw is on, wages were not disclosed, I'd bet that its not a triple figure salary though, Mou is just on a wind up lol.

The press are naturally dramatizing the wages though, click bait at its best, gets people on their shitty articles and in their gutter comments sections.

Starting to think we need another RB as well SiF, with the exception of the 12-13 season Rafael has had horrible fitness throughout most of his career here.

Rafael didn't even play 90 minute against L.A Galaxy neither lol.
We DON'T need an RB!

We have Varela and Janko
longer hererra comp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g-6w37x4Ng&list=UUJRB_jLtQ5vfc2KCcKLG_iA

second half he seems to have been playing ahead of cleverley and kagawa in a midfield 3. thats where his best position was at Bilbao, as a #10 behind the striker, but obviously he's very comfortable deeper in central midfield.
He is comfortable at 10 but I disagree that its his best position.

He has excellent defensive contributions and is brilliant at carrying the ball forward with his silky dribbling skills something we really lack in CM.

I can see him really thriving in CM here, really has everything he needs to blossom into a complete midfielder.
Herrera himself said the other day that he can play left, right or as a 10 - and is willing to do whatever for the club - but emphasised that CM is his best position.
he played 25 la liga games as a CAM for bilbao last season:

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/71174

his position for them was behind the striker, there's no debating that. that's definitely where he was his best at bilbao given thats where he played mostly. i didn't say anything about how he would play for us.

his defensive contribution and ability to transition from defense to attack quickly in various ways means he'd be a great b2b CM potentially, but all i am saying is he was playing cam in the second half where he had 2 assists and he played there all of last season for bilbao.

he would obviously be tasked with playing deeper for us, but seeing him play cam he really took it up a notch.
With his intercepting ability, its best to use him as a CM rather than up front. We need CM and I'm sure we bought him to play CM.
eny news for ? di maria and vidal sining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jeREy7Pbc

sums it up for me.
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doesn't appear either are coming i'm afraid.
Looking forward to tonight's game. Going to be a much better test of where we are at. I much prefer friendlies against higher quality opposition. Last year we were playing some right unknowns (and struggling).

Oh yeah, anyone else think the roma badge is a little f****d up? Two kids suckling from a wolf! I know it has historical value but wtf!
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Haha I never noticed that!
http://www.manutd.com/~/media/C68F80D10ED2489A9E7F95B65AE8F85C.ashx?mw=500
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He must be boiling inside.
In the series of photos, he looked like he was having loads of fun. Seems like LVG has bounds of energy and enthusiasm - always see photos of him smiling, joking around, talking with people. Nice qualities - a side of his personality that the media largely ignore.
Seems more of a holiday type tour that pic. Visiting the local area and such. He isn't holding up a can of coke or anything :)
I said that because he said he doesn't like how we are involved in commercial activities much.
Bebe leaving to Benfica? Thats good. Does that mean we might have a chance in signing Nico Gaitan?
He left for £2.4 million mate, we bought him for £7.4 million unfortunately lol, ww get 50% of any future sell on fee though.

No i don't think we are interested in Gaitan neither.
so your point is that with Bebe, they dont need Gaitan anymore??? lol
Very good deal for us imo. 50% of any future fee is a massive amount.Team likes sporting,porto and benfica seem to make a fortune from anyone half decent. Plus, if he turns out to be a beast, we get 50% off! :)
Bebe was considered for national team lol. Nah, just thinking about the 50% discound opening up the possibility of getting Gaitan, or maybe some CB LVG haven't watched him play before :P
Juan Mata : "We speak in English. The manager says we have to speak in English."

Juan Mata on Van Gaal : "He is straight as he speaks to everyone to their face. That is the perfect way to do it."

Juan Mata : This club was made to win. Ever since I was young Manchester United was winning trophies or fighting for them. That is what we have to do."
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Anyone not praised van Gaal?! pundits,reporters, ex-players then giggs, rooney and mata in the last 24 hours. Can only be a good thing.
Van Gaal said he will speak privately to Mourinho about his claim over Shaw's wage demands on re joining #cfc not #mufc.

Mourinho! learn from your MASTER!
Is this off twatter? Where are the quotes?

Not a single f**k will be given by Louis over Mourinhos comments on Shaw anyway, he isn't the type to get ruffled by such a petty dig, bit disappointed in Mou tbh, thought he would do better than this, this is weak and its just made him look bitter as f**k on missing out on Shaw.

Someone managing Chelsea criticising wage offers is irony of the highest order as well, the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
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press conference
“I don't have to answer, I don't think I have to discuss things with the media. Its better to discuss it with Jose,” he told reporters after Manchester United’s training session at the Denver’s Sports Authority Field.
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Doesn't matter what club you support, everyone can agree that Mourinho only has opinions so he can read about them in the paper whilst he jerks off
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ILikeTurtles is right.

This dig against a teenager was totally unnecessary, he could of easily avoided the question and his response just came off as bitter so he hasn't really achieved anything if it was an attempt at mind games, as Louis said this kind of stuff should really be in private but that's not Mourinhos style clearly.

When do managers ever feel the need to stick their opinion in on wages at other clubs anyway? Its none of his business.

Is he trying to heap pressure on Shaw hoping he fails? Or trying to turn the United squad against him because he missed out on him? Its pretty pathetic really.

Look at Wenger for instance, the amount of players he has lost and missed out on due largely to better wage offers is staggering yet I don't think I have ever seen him go on the offensive about a singular individual before and certainly not a teenager.

Yet Chelsea miss out on a player due in part to wages and its suddenly a crime...

People in glass houses should not throw stones, if it wasn't for FFP then Chelsea would have matched our wages if not bettered them, I love how Mourinho is pretending they have financial ethics, they've been forced to have them, they're not the morale centre of finances in football put it this way
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@mufc dont think ffp is what stopped chelsea from matching wage demands. They probably just didn't want to pay it for the exact reason Jose said, which I think is very fair.
Shaws first choice would have been chelsea anyway, Since he and his family are chelsea supporters. If chelsea wanted him they would have had him. The reasons why they didnt get him could be because of wage demands or possibly because he is not the type of player they are after.

Either way mourinho likes to talk s**t to get under peoples nerves, he's a twat sometimes (and he knows it lol)
Whatever Mourinho says is evil and mind games automatically. He was asked about Luis and Shaw and talked about how the latter's wage demands were too high for a club trying to comply with FFP - and have already signed 2 big players probably on high wages.

Nothing about being "morale center" lolz.
@Raj.

Who you support in football isn't that relevant really.

What do you mean "if" you wanted him? Mourinho has all but confirmed Chelsea's interest lol and FFP was clearly a factor, Mourinho says it right in the article lol.

I don't think its clear cut that he would have signed for Chelsea neither, being a fan counts for little, this is a career and you take the best direction for your career, you can't let sentiment be a factor really.

Chelsea don't have a good track record of developing and giving young players a chance and there isn't that many England players at Chelsea neither save for Terry and Cahill and only Cahill is involved at international level.

The young England players with which he is familiar with at United will help Shaw settle in and if Jones and Smalling can find form then United could have 3 of England's back 4 in a couple of years or so which is good for Shaws international career.
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Thing is, Mourinho, like SAF, are masters at taking the heat off their players. And in doing so, the players can perform. If you've noticed, bith SAF and Mourinho hoard the headlines to allow their underperforming players to sneak by under the radar. That's actually a brilliant psychological trick.

It does a world of good for the players too. Take for example, the first season City won the league. SAF brilliantly managed to pin the blame on City, allowing his players to largely escape criticism. Mourinho's eye poke. That allowed his RM players to evade as much criticism as they would have for their rough house tactics.

I'm actually an admirer of different types of management styles, and I've got to say, Van Gaal is pretty much in the same category as SAF and Mourinho in that, he can manipulate the media to his advantage. Many people actually underestimate the impact this can have on their players.
@LGW

Oh i would never underestimate the effect of mind games mate, psychology in sport is massive.

But this isn't mind games though... Its a pointless snide comment on a player that didn't sign for Chelsea, its just made Mourinho look bitter really and not achieved a thing, it will probably just make Shaw more determined to prove himself :D
@MUFC

"Someone managing Chelsea criticising wage offers is irony of the highest order as well, the hypocrisy is breathtaking."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/apr/15/manchester-city-global-pay-table-chelsea-barcelona-real-madrid

Chelsea pay 78k/week on average whilst Utd pay 83k/week on average, we more or less offer the same wages. His complaint wasn't that Man Utd = scum of football for offering exorbitant wages. He simply said that it wouldn't fit in Chelsea's wage structure. We may offer seemingly ridiculous wages, but we rarely ever offer insane amounts to players that really aren't deserving of it, relative to other players on the team. He literally even states this.

"‘I don’t criticise the other clubs for paying it. But for my club, we can say it would be very negative.’

Do you not think the notion that it'd kill morale in the dressing room is true? To know that a lad with one season under his belt of regular football (admittedly, he played very well in that season) gets paid higher than Azpi (who it could be argued played just as well as Shaw), JT and Cahill (The current core of our team) or Iva (a loyal servant)? I don't think it's fair.

Also "if it wasn't for FFP then Chelsea would have matched our wages if not bettered them,"

FFP didn't stop anything. We made around 110m worth in transfers this season plus new TV deals and CL performance meant we really had no worries this season.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/6/5/5777740/chelsea-summer-transfer-budget

"they've been forced to have them"

Chelsea FC are one of the big clubs supporting FFP, hardly forced to have them.

He shouldn't have said anything, but that doesn't invalidate the veracity of his claims.

P.S Sorry for grammar or if i came off rude, i'm on my phone so can't really refine my post.
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@Lump

Your post didn't come off as rude, you made some great points and i accept most of them.

Personally i don't think Shaw is worth his wages but United are in a rebuilding period so were always going to have to pay inflated wages to beat off the interest of a club like Chelsea, he is a player we really wanted and we cant afford to sit around penny pinching especially as we have quite a bit of room on our wage bill with several departures most notably Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra and Giggs who were all on senior wages.

Shaw is also a starter as well, starters are generally on a lot more money than rotation players. Still doesn't justify the wages but its a valid point.

Being a starter it shouldn't really hurt morale in the dressing room neither, United have just come off the back of a s**t season, none of the players have any ground to be crying about their salary's. Regardless no one knows his wages anyway, they were not disclosed, the players cant make a fuss based on conjecture lol.

As for the difference in wages, United's wage bill in the last couple of seasons has fluctuated where as Chelseas has dropped quite dramatically, its a bit unfair to make a selective comparison right now.

You could easily go back 4+ years where Chelsea's wage bill dwarfed Uniteds, we've still got more deadwood to cut and it will be interesting to see the wage difference now that Costa, Fabregas and to a lesser extent Luis are all on Chelseas books, the first two are on triple figure salary's and there is new contracts for the likes of Hazard pending which is likely to be 200k+ going off the talk.

I know Chelsea are doing a great job with FFP and I've complimented them several times on that but lets not pretend Chelsea have not paid extortionate wages before now or have not operated at massive losses.

My point was that FFP has forced the changes that you pointed out above on Chelsea, the selling of significant assets like Mata, De Bruyne and Luiz along with a refusal to push the bar on wages for players like Cavani and Shaw, do you really think Chelsea would operate like this if FFP wasn't in effect?

Don't delude yourself mate, Chelsea didn't give a s**t before FFP came in and Mourinho should remember that considering he was at the helm for a spell.

I just thought it was a bit rich of Mourinho to be taking the high ground on wages is all and its still none of his business. It just seemed so unnecessary and snide of him, its not his club, why concern himself over the wages here...
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Rooney on LvG: "He’s very honest. If you are not doing well in training he will tell you but if you do well he will praise you."

Rooney: "Of course we can win the title. Last season was a bad one, we know that, but we are confident we can put it right."
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With all those likes they roaming across our forum more than they do on theirs.
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