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Just thought about the risk we would be taking on William Carvalho he could really turn out to be a massive flop also his price tag might even effect his play so getting him would be a massive risk but it's debatable to weather he is a risk worth taking
Get him first. Worry later.
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what makes you think he gonna be a flop??
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what we need is a young, fit midfielder who can recover the ball and give a positive pass forward. that's what this guy does.
Who do you suggest we go for instead of him Wilf? I can’t think of anyone more ideal than him that’s available.
For Sunday:

DDG
Jones Vidic Smalling Butt
Fletch Carrick
Adnan Mata Kagawa
Rooney
WHERES YOUNG!!!!!
you already know fellaini will start vs everton
Does Fletcher have a future at Utd? I know almost everyone would prefer to see him get back to his best but he is at that age when players start to decline. I would say keep Fletcher because of the experience he brings but he could be a starting player for many other teams. Would it be better for both parties if he is allowed to leave?
reliable squad player imo in terms of performance. he's only 29, he's got some time before he becomes a liability imo. keep him around for cup games and the easier games in europe given his experience and leadership
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Both Fletcher and United know how he is to be played, there is an understanding as both get what they want from each other. Fletcher knows he can't play every week so going elsewhere wouldn't make his situation better while at United he can both play occasionally and influence younger players...having a senior of his ilk is beneficial to United especially now that we are clearing out most of our senior players. He is not on astronomical wages either so its good to have him as a squad player.
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I hope we don't go for Ander Herrera anymore, he's not what we need.

Koke has done better than him this season, been the pivotal cog in Atletico's team.

Not saying we should get Koke either, but I don't think Ander is worth 30+ million.
I think the Herrera ship has sailed as we've identified better targets so no point going back. About Koke, i've always maintained that he is the best option for our midfield almost perfect even but at the same time next to impossible to get. He loves Atletico to death and even we pay his release clause and force them to sell him what is to say he'll put in the same effort here and progress like we would want. I mean he is still a professional player and would not act otherwise if we bought him but it wouldn't be the same for him as playing for Atletico.

Having said that i'd still try and test their resolve and put in a mega bid cause at the moment i can't see a better option than him for our midfield.
just a thought wasnt powell supposed to be our next cm of the future? we re crowded uptop i was under the impression powell was going to step into the role alongside someone else willing to share time whether its a youngster or new player. id be over the moon if we signed koke but there are others. matuidi, mendy, banega, vidal. whoever it is they have to fit moyes footballing style and mentality.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9271812/transfer-news-arsenal-and-man-utd-target-kiko-casilla-wants-to-stay-at-espanyol

these 'journalists' just want to create the appearance that we are getting turned down left right and center. i mean who the heck is this guy and why is it news that he's "snubbing" us? 27 year old goalkeeper. shame, as i was really looking forward to getting another keeper to round out the squad.
Expect more of this in the summer SiF.

It's open season on United now, ripping into Moyes and the club will sell papers and serves as wonderful click bait for the websites of the countries most vile tabloids etc.

It's just the "flavour of the season" mate, hopefully we can do some solid business this summer and have a good campaign next year and just shut everyone the f**k right up, it wont relent until Moyes wins a title or gets sacked.
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On Sunday one of these average players will somehow make the line up so whoever it is we rallying behind you.
#daretoyoung
#daretocleverley
#daretofellaini
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To be honest, I hope Rooney doesn't start and we play with Januzaj, Mata, and Kagawa again.

It was really magical to watch, I hope the Newcastle game wasn't the last we will see of the combo.
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I know Rooney can play with them, but he's just coming off an injury which he took a injection to play the Bayern game, instead of being rested. I'm pretty sure he played the full 90 as well, which should not have happened.

What I mean is that I hope he is rested properly, instead of rushing him back into action and hurting himself further.
^ You know Rooney can play with them right? Lol. Shouldnt play Rooney at all if hes still injured. I just hope we get to see Nani before he leaves...
I agree to with dgrant117, Rooney shouldn't start. In my opinion that was the best and most entertaining football we've played this season.

No cross abusing, hopeless longballs but pure passing football with movement all over the pitch.
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Newcastle are s**t, granted it was a good performance but their form is at a season low, calling for Rooney to be axed from the team based on that one game is ridiculous.

Rooney has been our best player this season, 17 goals and 22 assists in 35 starts (38 apps) in an utterly tragic season where we have struggled for any kind of forward impetus is an excellent return. Not to mention he fights for everything, one of few players who has looked like they give a s**t this season.

There is a far more convincing argument for Rooney to be moved back to the No.9 position that he played back in the 09-10 season (easily his best season) with the three players mentioned all playing off him.

The two seasons he has played up front he hit 34 goals in 43 & 44 games (09-10 season and 11-12 season respectively), he is a top top forward. I never understood why he was moved back after his exploits in the 09-10 season, he was outscoring everyone in Europe until that injury at Bayern away which ruined his season.

His place in the team isn't even a debate really, if we're going to have a tough discussion over a superstar's place then its RVP we should be talking about.
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^This. I can't fault Rooney for anything he's done this season, he was the only player that looked like playing with heart for the whole first half of the season.

The only problem with Rooney as a sole striker is Rooney himself. He tends to drop off deeper, which is what has caused him to be played almost as an AM in the first place.

I personally would love to see him as a sole forward with the three playmakers behind him. As he gets older, hopefully this is a role that suits him. He can't be running around and chasing every ball forever, not if he wants to get the most out of his career.
Der Berater von Mittelfeldspieler Toni Kroos, Volker Struth, geht davon aus, dass sein Schützling bis mindestens 2015 für den FC Bayern auflaufen wird.
Ein Angebot von Manchester United für den 24-Jährigen gebe es nicht.
"Es liegt kein offizielles Vertragsangebot vor. Es besteht zudem auch keine Notwendigkeit, ein offizielles Angebot abzugeben. Weil Toni Kroos bis mindestens 2015 beim FC Bayern spielen wird", sagte Struth der "Bild".

Short version, Kroos' agent told the Bild that Kroos won't be going anywhere until 2015, he will definitely fulfill his contract. Manchester United didn't make an official contract offer.
Well that's Kroos done, Koke done, Carvalho to Real, all the while we were sitting and masturbating.
But the silver lining is now that we can go in strong with a 30 million offer for Osman! Catch Everton by surprise, make them an offer they can't refuse...
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^What do you do to maintain this level of pessimism? It is actually pretty impressive. Annoying as hell. But impressive that someone can get so negative and stay this negative all the time.
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all players can use us as a bump in the pay check. its going to be rough for all of us and these stories esp with the WC comin up. journos goin to hae a field day. massive club man united, moyes must spend, luke shaw hinting he might sign with us could just be telling chelsea, if youre serious come get me- call or fold. its goin to be harsher than other summers but at least theres WC football to watch so hopefully itll go quick.
you don't have leverage; you need players more than they need you, and the agents know it. they can throw up Man United in any negotiation and jack up price for their players.

I'd avoid the big names at this point in time; go for sensible signings, and re-enter the market once you have leverage again; but seeing as how Moyes's ass is on the line, he'll splurge big, and it might not all fit, case in point Tottenham.
Well the thing with Carvalho is that his dad is advising him to go to Real Madrid.
Considering that Real will pay his fee without much fuss, i'd say it's a done deal.
Is Carvalho to Real a done deal? That would ruin my day after reading the news of Kroos. I hope we won't f**k up another transfer summer!
Peter don't be a facetious clown. Those Osman jokes are as old as the player himself. Koke was never an option, just because we are linked with him doesn't mean he is attainable just study his background.

Kroos' agent said he won't be leaving this season, don't you think that's a good thing? i mean how many agents come out and say my player is not for sale so don't even bother instead of luring us around on a merry go all summer. I'd rather have agents say it straight then trying to use us making us waste our time on one target because of their shady nature and then not get anything...like last summer.

Just because Carvalho's father said he'd like his son to go to Madrid doesn't mean its a done deal also if he is smart enough he'd enough that would be the worst place to go to considering his development because of lack of game time.
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Easy with the name-calling Prophet.
Its all in good fun of course.
I agree that its better for agents to tell us straight up to sod off rather than winding us up, but hey, you can't say that Koke and or Kroos were ever unattainable.
Koke is at what...20-50k a week at Atletico?
We could easily afford to triple his wages. Would he say no? Like f**k he would.
The fact that Atletico are in a much better position than us notwithstanding, the player could be ours for 35-40 million, if that.
I think the same thing can be said about Kroos.

So either that or do what Dortmund did with Gotze, Gundogan, Lewandowski, Reus to an extent. None of those players were home grown per se, but were brought very young and developed into world class stars.
3-4 years of suffering and development, but at least you could call it a proper transitional period and we'd reap the benefits in the end. It would be my preferred approach.

So its either one or the other. Spend big and with conviction or develop your own players within a modern system that works.

Average or just good players won't cut it, and neither will persistence with the Cleverleys, Youngs, Fellainis and Valencias of the world.
Its like out of all the options we have, neither of them is good enough for us, except the easiest one, and that is to fester in our own s**t.
Mark my words, we'll finish in the 'respectable' 12th spot next season with that fucktard Moyes scratching his head saying we should aspire to get to Preston North End's level
@Moeb8 thats what i meant everyone can use united as an excuse for a an extended contract payrise or more money for a different transfer deal. I agree though not big names but those with potential. I was a big Jordan Henderson fan before he became livepool's running man, but when they decided to go for lesser name players they fell into a rut with miereles, poulsen before buying coutinho (steal) and now their future is bright.

I'm with Cheshire to some extent on this one. Understandable given how many times we've been let down because of signings or lack their of its sh1te feeling and we can all remember them. all we can do is wait to see our starting 11 next season.

the concern should really be on how we will adapt next season especially tactically. moyes said schoolboy error after the bayern game- the other schoolboy error you forgot to mention was keeping an injured wayne limping around with subs made that question ones own sanity. i just want to see us play beautiful football again with players who want to wear the shirt.
Ps. Isco snubbed city for Real where he knew he wouldn't be playing much, but he still did it.
You can't rely on players to be logical when given a choice between two big clubs.
And our track record says...we gonn get snubbed again
Its not as easy as throwing money especially with Koke. The man has grown up with the club and loves them dearly so NO i don't think its quite as simple as tripling his wages. Remember how Inter came with a blank cheque for Scholes and he said you'd have to buy the club...this is the level of commitment i am talking about that binds Koke with Atletico so he is pretty unattainable. And even if we offer big sum for him he wouldn't be completely invested like he is with them so that's a risk as well.

Kroos is on 72k and we are willing to offer more than 160k and that's only because he is motivated by money unlike Koke. But the problem here is Bayern, they don't wanna sell their star midfielder and would do everything to keep him there might even cave in and offer him what he wants and playing hardball for now. I mean the position they are in right now they hold all the cards and they can even let him go for free next summer just to make a statement and it wouldn't effect them much.

So even with money we don't hold any leverage...2 different situations but both almost equally out of our hands.
@Cheshire
Lewa and Gundogan were definitely not home grown.
Gotze joined Dortmund at age 8 and Reus also grew up in Dortmund, left when he was 17 y/o.
I'd love to know how you're aware that Carvalho to Madrid is done Pete...

Lots of credible sources seem to believe we are confident of securing him, it would not surprise me neither given the wealth of midfield talent at Madrid, it would be a bad move for a young player who is just breaking onto the European scene.

Kroos is in Bayerns hands and always was, has the player or his agent turned us down? No, in fact its been a little encouraging on their side of things, Bayern are a massive club though and the final say on a transfer was always going to lie with them, if they wont sell they wont sell, you cant blame United for that.

Koke is at a rising club in his home country, a club who's academy produced him, he has just signed a new contract, he would be mad to leave, it was always an optimistic target to say the least.

Stop with the obsessive negativity, constructive criticism when justified is fine but its just relentless with some people on here. Give it a rest ffs.
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Untill we see the chopper land at carrington, it's all rumors
Sorry Jason, i can't stop with the negativity when all i've been experiencing for the past 4-5 years has been a let down after another.
Sure, since 2008 we've won a couple of trophies and secured a few good signings but that doesn't seem like enough.

I promise not to be compulsively negative for at least till Christmas, but starting with December 26th, i am going back in full-force when as i've said many times, nothing will have changed, we will be 12th and Moyes will keep scratching his head with statements like 'wtf do i have to do to win' and 'Hopefully we can get to Wimbledon F.C.'s level' ...
So throughout this summer and until then, i promise to STFU with the 'unjustified' negativity

Ps. Kiranpraradarodiw.e - being pessimistic or being realistic? Clearly one of us is a fool to be anything but pessimistic or realistic. Hint: it's not me
Well thank god atleast you'll shut it till christmas and keep your word and if we are in top4 come christmas fighting for the league you should maintain with the silence...lol

Oh and please don't preach others on "how to be a realist" you're far from it that's for certain cause all you ever do is complain and bitch. I am not saying be always "supportive" or jocular but ffs learn to discern between warranted criticism and being querulous all the time.
Hah. Im sorry if i dont see a single ray of light in the moyes tenure and the direction (or lack of) that the club is going in
Juan Mata: Midfielder backs David Moyes to revive Man Utd

Manchester United's record signing Juan Mata is confident the team will become a force under manager David Moyes.

"When I joined, in all my conversations with the board and the manager about next season, they were confident about getting the right players.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27074266

Lets hope we do get the right players, Juan!
Kind of disappointed in Juan. Always seemed an intelligent player, why the hell would he back Moyes?
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Not really. Player revolt would definitely see the clown sacked, so as long as they keep pretending everything is peaches and cream, the board will think everything is indeed peaches and cream
He has to...
well if he didn't back moyes, why the hell would he join in january? that makes no sense cheshire
He joined in order to play football which wasn't happening at Chelsea with Mourinho in charge.
If any player out there joins United simply because of Moyes, then that player must be an idiot and Mata surely isn't one
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^^
It doesn't help the team to publicly insult the manager. Nope, that's our job as fans lol
I think your wrong Peter.

Mata would have went somewhere else if he didn't like the situation that was going on at the club. Sure, nobody wants to be in this position after a huge transition period, but if you read what Mata said, you'd know he's not a dumb person for following and backing Moyes. He's actually said the best thing you could in the situation the club is under.

I think Mata has shown excellent leadership since he's joined the club. His professionalism is top notch, and it's a real nice gesture from a top player not pointing the blame to anyone. Everyone must come and work together as a unit. It's the only way to get back to the top.

Moyes is under fire right now, but it doesn't mean we should give up on him. If we call ourselves supporters, then why are we throwing negativity and giving up? The players aren't so we should back everyone trying to make a difference. It's really the only thing left the team has to gain some confidence after the media has written us off.
Darren, just because i have given up on Moyes doesn't mean i'm a negative nancy or that i have given up on the club. Matter of fact, never have i ever been more invested into the club succeeding now that the hard times have hit.
So in lieu of that, i want Moyes' ass catapulted out of the city of Manchester and back into Goodison Park where he could do work as Everton's kitman.

As for Mata, i don't think any other club was willing to pay the same amount for him and offer him good wages and that such club would not be considered a downgrade from Chelsea.
So we were the perfect destination for him in many regards.
He's an intelligent player and i absolutely love him, but he can't possibly say he believes and supports Moyes with a straight face.

And Moyes is making a difference - a bad one. So the only thing i'll back him for is when he finally packs his bags on the plane out of Manchester
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I didn't think you're a negative nancy, people should realize your type of humor by now.

I just wanted to curb your thought, maybe giving you some insight as well about next season, because I'm certain Moyes is here to stay whether some agree with him or not. We just have to put up with it and hopefully Moyes starts pulling results. Maybe if he gets the players he needs and ships out the dead weight, then it might look better for us.
Lol SIF knows how to explain things right, I guess that's what I was trying to say.
backing the manager and joining simply because of the manager are not the same thing. most players don't join just for the manager, anyone else claiming that is lying (yes, I realize that's not necessarily what you are saying).

Players join for a host of reasons. despite our form, utd is still a prestigious club to play for and of course the wages and fee we will offer will need to be competitive. Chelsea and city sign players all the time, sometimes without even having a manager lol. you're overblowing this situation imo. i think we will be able to acquire most if not all of our targets (granted the club is willing to sell the player).

i'm sure players look forward to wearing our shirt, playing at OT (it's a legendary ground even despite our form), and playing next to rooney rvp mata etc. our training facilities are among the best in the world, even mata was very impressed despite being a pro for so long.

besides, lots of players turned down signing for fergie in recent years (hazard, nasri, moura, etc) so the manager isn't always the biggest factor on players' minds. i think the bigger worry is CL and not being in any title hunt this season, on top of the rain and general lack of appeal of living in manchester compared to the londons, paris, barcelonas, milans and madrids of europe.
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All I see in this forum is talks about other clubs(not gossips, decent convos) and transfer talks lol. Anyways I just wanted to ask, are you guys determined to get European competition or do you basically see your season as finished?

I ask this because i think Man U are coming back next season, and with Liverpool this season only playing domestic cups and league, they might win the league. Do you prefer to be in Europa next season, or do you prefer not to so you can focus on the league???
Definitely prefer to be in Europa!
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No Europa please.

I just don't think the positives of being in the competition outweigh the negatives.

Take Liverpool for instance, they have not competed in European competition at all this season and its benefited them massively, they have played only 39 games this season in all competitions compared to 50 for City and 51 for Chelsea.

I'm not taking anything from Liverpool but its a massive difference, not just the fatigue and potential injuries, its the training as well, they can dedicate all their preparation to PL games without having to worry about mid-week European games and that's without mentioning all the travelling.

We should really be trying to avoid Europa unless we just want to play lots of reserve players and fringe players. It's vital United bounce back into the top 4 next season, we really cant be spending more than 1 season out the competition, the clubs too big for that.
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It's really tricky for me. I would like us to miss out on Europa so the lads can knuckle down and focus on the PL, but the other side of that coin is that I get to see my team play a lot less often and players miss out on some European competition (even if it's not the best around).

If we get our midfield targets then I wouldn't mind us being in Europa, because we can easily rotate with our depth and some of the young guns can get some European experience. The problem with that is, we only find out if our targets are ours after we've already qualified or failed to qualify... Lol.
No thanks to europa league.

Way too many games and all our fixtures will be on Sundays.
i think we should consider europa
we'v to let the youngsters start in the europa...zaha, lingard, powell, keane...and the fringe players like buttner, valencia, etc
we always have a long squad and these players can get a lot of invaluable experience apart from game time by playing in europe

but yeah, it'll be a waste of time if all our key players are used forcefully in europa...will effect our league form badly
From next year doesn't Europea winner get CL spot?

Would make it a lot more worthwhile...
we have a big squad and there is no way they'll be happy sitting on the bench for the league.

it's not like we can't handle a large number of games. especially with the young talent here.
weak logic imo. lets avoid europa because it means more games? ok and then if we get CL the next season do we drop back down because we had too many games?

i dislike europa as much as the next guy (mainly because of thursday-sunday combo for the whole year) but we need the money- and the club knows it better than anyone else. there's a massive hole from missing out on the 50 million per season from champions league and europa would go a long way to soften the blow if we can win it

we're going to get additions to the squad so i think we'll be more than able to cope, as we've been doing all these years with CL. liverpool haven't had to rotate their small squad but next season they will be put to the test even if they can make big additions in the market.
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^ thank you. I mean if we can get top 4 consistently with CL games, shouldnt we consider the bloody possibility that europa league wont affect our chances much?! Europa means more game time for our players which is good. Also, Atletico won it few years back, where are they now? Stop underrating the competition, we may not even be able to win it anyways. It will be a true test and give us an idea to see if our team has what it takes to dominate in Europe. I for one, would much prefer more variety in the teams we play, instead of just facing english sides.
more games is better for us, we have a big squad of young players.
I'll take Europa out of selfish reasons. Because I can only watch weekend games on Sunday due to my schedule. lol.
Everyone should know now, if you win the Europa, you can qualify for the CL.

I don't like the days we play on, but it's better than getting no sort of revenue from European competitions. We need that money after having a poor season this year. We deserve to be in the Europa League anyway, no way top four should be in reach for us.
If man utd really have 150 mil to spend this summer at least 50 mil should go for getting best coaches, no joke, what is good a midfield combination of fellani and kroos?
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