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For a bit of fun I played around with potential formations if the 3-5-2 is dropped. Copy and paste time for anyone interested lol.

4-3-3
http://lineupbuilder.com/2014/custom/?sk=48d0

4-2-3-1
http://lineupbuilder.com/2014/custom/?sk=48c7

4-1-3-1-1
http://lineupbuilder.com/2014/custom/?sk=48bx6

4-4-2 diamond
http://lineupbuilder.com/2014/custom/?sk=48cx6


For me, the 4-4-2 diamond seems the best fit. We get all of our new players involved. 4 at the back, Mata in the hole and two forwards. Di Maria is no stranger to playing centrally and drifting out wide and I believe Herrera had similar tendencies at Bilbao. Both of them have the work rate and legs to play there imo.

Thoughts?
@SIF this is a good read which illustrates our posts yesterday:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/27/louis-van-gaal-blame-manchester-united-horror-show
He is trying to implement a new formation which will ofc take time, the thing he deserves a lot of blame for is the selection.

Vermilj at CB... Perreira RWB... Januzaj CM amongst others... Too many square pegs in round holes in this formation, ofc injuries and limited options may have forced him into this selection but if that's the case then play a different formation... If you don't have the personnel then you cant force it.

A flat back 4 with Janko-Keane-Evans-James would probably have done a lot a better last night.
what got me worried is:

the dutch team doesn't need 3 month to adapt LVG philosophy
yeah but the defenders were all on the same team at club level, where they played that formation. The concept of 3-5-2 was very familiar to them.



i dont understand this comment.
my point is...right now we so much believe that the team still not used to the 3-5-2 formation.but what if,this is as far as the formation can get us.it might just not going to work as it work with the dutch team
Liverpool..24 year 0 league title.
Kagawa 25 year..I learn crawl, walk, talk & play-a-make.
Then for fun 3 LEAGUE TITLE WIN!

I just saying!
+5
Lmao I love how play-a-make has now become a verb xD
so Benatia finally decided to go back to earth and landed at Bayern. Hummels seems impossible. Are there any other good CBs to chase after?
nope. change the system to 4 at the back and we already got Jones and Rojo. after that it is the trainer-coach's job to make them perform.
there is Godin.
NICK POWELL @NPOWELL25

First game back in 6 months. Wasn't the best game I've ever had, but good to be back.
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@MUFC1990
While Cleverley just doesn't know how to shoot...Nick Powell has got quite a shot. Will score loads of goals from outside the box. But I can't see him playing in a two man midfield. Maybe if we had a beast of a DM.
+1
Hope he can get more game time.

Cant be any worse than Cleverley and Fletcher, has got a lot of goals in him too, could be our Lampard in time.
+1
"After Di Maria signed for Real
Madrid, Immediately Real Madrid
also lost [Alcorcon 4-0 Real
Madrid] to a 2nd division side." Extracted from Internet
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Di Maria sign in 2010, Real Madrid lost 0-4 to Alcorcon in 2009 FAIL! lol
+1
Daily Fail journos syndrome hehe
#conspiracy#illuminati
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I really like how LVG responded to the result last night:

“Of course I’m disappointed, but I can analyse this,” the manager said. “I am not shocked because I know what can happen”

He also repeated his previous calls for patience from United supporters. “It’s very difficult when you start as manager in the Premier League with a home match loss [to Swansea] and after that a draw [with Sunderland] and then lose a cup match, then for the fans it is very difficult to believe, still believe, in the philosophy of Louis van Gaal. But you have to do that, you have to do that, because I am here to build a new team, and a new team is not built in one month.”

Asked if the signing of Di María indicated he was prepared to change his preference for a 3-4-1-2 formation, Van Gaal said time would tell.

“We have to see in the process, that’s what I’m saying. You cannot [click your fingers] and switch to a new system and then it’s working, you have to train it and it’s a matter of time, the process needs time, so we shall see if with Di María we have to change the system or not.

“I have bought Di María because he can play inside or wide, which is very handy for a coach. When I was coach of Bayern Munich I bought on the 28th August Arjen Robben, and he could also play at the wings or inside, and then I have always the opportunity to change. But that is the process.

“Di María is coming and he will also have to adapt to our culture, our philosophy, he cannot change at the snap of fingers, but he can contribute to the building of a team, every player can do that.
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We could see LVG's highly coveted 4-3-3 on the weekend. But this raises a whole series of issues in terms of who fits in where. Will be interesting.

The one thing I like about 3-4-1-2 is that Mata plays centrally with RVP/Rooney both in their natural positions. But I can't see Di Maria play LWB - especially long term when Shaw is fit - and I can't really see him play 1 of 2 in central midfield. He really needs to be 1 of a midfield 3.

Maybe

---------Back 4 -------------
-Herrera/Fletch - Di Maria -
-----------Mata-------------
-Januzaj - RVP - Wazza -

Looks precarious to me from a defensive perspective. Or Di Maria plays in the front 3 and Herrera/Fletch play behind Mata.
When on tour, LVG said he could use the 4-3-3 system if we got some quality wingers.
I think we need a change and no its not a knee jerk reaction to the poor start.

The current system is causing too many square pegs in round holes, the CB's are not comfortable, they're too used to being part of a back four, its a whole different concept defending just your area and the space in front of it and then being expected to defend the channels as well, the defenders have been thrown out of their comfort zone and our defence is already struggling as it is, the wing backs look like they don't know whether they are coming or going and the midfield is simply left confused by all of the above problems, the team is struggling to play as a unit.

Ofc the players have to adapt to the manager but a good manager will adapt to the needs of his players as well, this system just feels like change for the sake of a few individuals, most notably getting Rooney and Van Persie up front together with Mata in behind.

I'm sorry but you cant think that way, we've got to think about the team as a unit and what's best for all of them even if that means a reduced role or even losing one of the "big three", its tough s**t I'm afraid, now is not the time for pandering to an individuals needs, for the record I don't think the partnership between Rooney and Van Persie is even functional, they're too alike, they're both 9 and a halves, IMO only one should play up top (RVP) and the other needs to maraud (Rooney).

The team needs more genuine width, pace and the ability to turn the opposition injected into it, Di Maria and Januzaj will provide that but they're not going to do that playing at wing back or one of the deeper CM positions in the 3-5-2, looking at our football everything is played in front of the opposition, its too easy for them, this was evident more than ever against Sunderland.

The 3-5-2 is trouble, the media are already aiming jabs at the system and the players will inevitably pick up on the comments, if they start feeling like the system is causing the issues and not their own ability then it will mean trouble for the manager.

I know Van Gaal is a tough bastard and wont tolerate any bullshit but the club needs everyone moving in the same direction right now and with the retirement of Ferguson we're going to have to accept that player power will become a factor here.

I cant help but think of AVB's tenure at Chelsea and his attempt to play the high line tactics that he employed at Porto to disastrous effect, it lost him the dressing room before long, Chelsea is not Porto, the same way that we're not the Netherlands national team.

I don't like playing "micro manager" but I would like to see this employed at some point this season:

http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=47nx3
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@StretEnd that formation look nice on paper but defensively it is indeed weak. Both Mata and Januzaj are not known for their def contribution. We are going to be ripped apart on the wings on the counter and in the middle against teams playing 3 men midfield.

@MUFC You seem to really like that Mata-less line up :P Swap Rooney and ADM may be more realistic cuz Rooney does not have the pace and dribbling skills to play left forward in a 4-3-3
I agree with MUFC, from an outsider's perspective it looks to me like the biggest issue is getting RVP and Rooney in the same lineup.

As MUFC says, they're both very similar in that they like to drop deep to link play. It seems LVG has two choices.

1. Persist with trying to get the holy trinity (RVP, Rooney, Mata) into the lineup. Somehow he also has to squeeze new signings Herrera and ADM in as well. This suggests wing backs will be the only option for providing width and you'll have to endure some difficulty in transitioning to 3-5-2 / 5-2-1-2.

2. Sacrifice one of the strikers and go back to a formation with 4 at the back. A 4-2-3-1 would suit most of your players, but only RVP OR Rooney could be the spearhead.

------------Back 4
-----Herrera - Fletcher
--Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
------Rooney or RVP

Square pegs in round holes seems to be an accurate analogy. Currently LVG is re-shaping those pegs to fit the holes but its going to take time.
@Deffy Allow me to show you a line up with all our best players in their best positions:
----------Back 4
--Herrera - Carrick - ADM
-----------Mata
------Rooney - RVP

Wing backs or a front 3 are not the only options as in this 4-3-1-2 system ADM and Herrera will provide width with their diagonal runs. At least ADM can because he has the pace and workrate for it.

Although I concur that any formation is better with either one of Rooney or RVP left out. This formation for ex is even better with Welbeck instead of either Rooney or RVP to inject pace up front.
juventus latest financial highlights (March 2014):
total debts: 207 mln €
total cash: 3.75 mln €
Net loss: 16 mln €

in fact, the club has been making losses in 5 of the past 6 years. Its debts have multiplied by over 10 times while its cash has dropped almost 100%, all within 5-year time only...


You know, it's really left to us if we want to bid vidal or not... i dont think they have any negotiation power at the moment.... they'll be happy to walk away with 30 mln €, esp considering how vidal's knee is a bit dodgy atm....
you forget the fact that vidal has just extended his contract so if they one to play hard ball they can. his values are not going to change next summer because of this so they always have the option of selling later, when there might be more competition for him, thus a higher fee.

the knee argument is invalid for me because Juve is never going to admit that and if we use that argument to lower the fee it does not make sense because why would we want a crooked player? if we are in for him it automatically means that we are assured about his fitness. otherwise don't bother. same will go for strootman.
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"if they want to play hard ball they can"
of course they can, but the risk is too high for them... their financial numbers tell us they are pretty much on the brink of bankruptcy unless the gov is kind enough to bail them out


"they always have the option of selling later, when there might be more competition for him"
yea, it can go the other way round too... plus he gets one year older... his fees will be at the highest when he's at his peak... which is probably around this time... the fees are hardly gonna get higher...


"the knee argument is invalid for me because Juve is never going to admit that"
lol of course mate... they wont admit but they know it... we wont bring it up too but we know they know about it....

it's like you know they know that your laptop is half broken, but he still offers to buy, are you still going to say "nah, the offer is too low, try better"?
you dont think so right
What I meant is Juve and MU both know about the knee issue but bring that up to the negotiation table is not going to benefit either party. From a third point of view it might seem straightforward but in a stand off it is not.

The real issue here is that we can not do the medical exam before agreeing the price. If we can pre-determine whether his knee is ok or not it will be much easier but that is not going to happen.
So it is the case of whose needs are higher, them selling or us buying. The first one to blink loses. I can see this go down to the 11th hour with a take it or leave it bid. But then we would take the bigger risk of not getting anyone.

The solution I think would be to get in Blind or De Jong first so that they know we have a back-up already. Juve would then be in a more riskier position not to sell.
We bought 4 starters this summer and I think we should buy 2 more, 1 CDM and 1 CB. Next summer we should focus on getting a better bench, get rid of players like Cleverley, Anderson, Young, Welbeck/Chicharito, and fletcher and replace them with players like Wilson, Periera, McCarthy, etc... with one/two top quality player(s) added as well (Strootman? + Another explosive winger)

So basically next summer we'll have a CL-winning quality first XI and a PL-competent bench. Then the one after that, we make a RM and Bayern and buy top quality players for our bench.

I'm actually shocked that I can't remember the last top quality player we bought before RVP! A team like Manutd should buy at least 1 every summer! F**k the Glazers!
Yeah you're right! For a big team we don't have enough quality at the club.

Like LVG said we are not the best club anymore.

I was so pissed at chicha yesterday.

Maybe yesterday's result was a blessing in disguise,we could move for more players.

Next couple of transfer windows is very vital for where we want to be as a club.

Players to get rid:Young,Valencia,Chicha,Welbz,Anderson.
"A team like Manutd should buy at least 1 every summer! F**k the Glazers!"

I think many people deflect from the deeper problems of the squad, and perhaps SAF's refusal to reinvest when he needed to. He always said the money was there, but that there 'was no value in the market'. I think it is totally naive to only put blame on the glazers, especially when they're showing that they are more than willing to invest in the squad. One of the best things I've read all week:

"Perhaps this is the biggest challenge and threat to success for the Dutchman. The evidence so far shows how last term’s farrago under Moyes can be traced back to the shoddy state of the squad left by Sir Alex Ferguson. Ferguson remains a managerial great but his legacy is a squad containing glaring holes that should have been addressed well before he decided to retire."\

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/27/manchester-united-crisis-louis-van-gaal
Tbh the only player that hv quality to play at top level only mata de gea rvp.i mean player that we hv buy from fergie era till now.fella young valencia zaha butner chicha others only squad player and average for us!!right?
LVG out Kaiss in!

In all seriousness tho we are not RM or MC to "buy quality players for our bench". MU is about developing youth. Granted it's not bright for them after yesterday but it is this club values. It's a learning curve for them and if anyone discard the whole youth system and instead start buying in it is not us.
Agreed that we need to clear the deadwood but I think time will come for that after we get our targets.


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