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Not sure if it's had a mention after our last result but Herrera now has 2 in 3 games (plus his debut was cut short due to injury).

We knew he could pose an attacking threat but he looks dangerous in and around the opposition box. Considering he only got 11 goals in 128 games for Bilbao that is an impressive return so far.

Hopefully more to come from him. We have missed a driving force from midfield for such a long time and he appears to be a gem. He says all the right things off the pitch too.
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He's been great going forward! Don't see too many backpasses from him, he always seems to want to get the ball forward as much as possible.

I liked his recent interview where he talks about how much he respects Scholesy and how he wants to become like him one day.
lol with guys like rvp mata falcao rooney and di maria around you, you're going to get some space to attack teams. he was unmarked in and around the box for both goals and he's going to be a big threat if teams leave him free to attack. he's an intelligent player and i think he will often find these spaces to attack and has the quality to make use of the space.
Rafael's team-mate tales

In our exclusive interview on team-mates, United right-back Rafael talks about playing poker with Darren Fletcher and socialising as a squad...

Who is your best friend at the club?
I have some big friends here. I would always say Antonio [Valencia] is the closest one but Anderson and Fletch are big friends of mine too. I have a lot of friends in the squad.

Do you have a room-mate at the hotels?
No, we do not share rooms together but when we're sitting in the lounge at the hotels, we often have conversations. It's always nice to do that with your team-mates.

Do you discuss tactics and other footballing matters away from the club?
When we are away, we do some other stuff, but of course we often talk about football. Sometimes, I go to Fletch's house and we play poker and talk about football all night! But of course we do talk about other things as well.

Do you watch any other Premier League games together?
Yes, we do that when we are away. When we're at home, we often play video games but we stop to watch some matches together.

Do you socialise with the other players?
Yes, we had dinner together in Manchester last week. It is always nice when everyone is together. It allows us to talk properly as a team.

Was it Wayne Rooney's idea to get everybody together as a squad?
Yes, I think it was Wayne’s idea. He spoke to everyone about it. Now, he’s the captain here, he's doing everything like that.
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great interview!

these questions actually sound stupid if you ask to your friends, seeing how basic some of the questions are.... but when asked to footballers it feels different....
Honestly, Rooney is looking more and more like a good captain. His initiatives with both the United and the England squad have been very positive imo.
I have a feeling you guys would love seeing what an Old Fashioned Fergie Hairdyer would look like. I kinda miss Fergie :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDCXn7tNZLE
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I don't know if this has come up until now but speaking purely defensively, Rafael is a liability for us. (I acknowledge that going forward he is awesome)

Here is why:

1) lacks height hence no good at defending free kicks and corners which is a must for any defender
2) Is too rash in his defending concedes many fouls
3) He has played more than 150 united games hence he is experienced and that should show but it doesn't
4) He is far too eager to join the attack (which is not bad but his first duty should be to defend and pick his moments)

Having said that, I would take him over valencia any day.

My concern is he might be sold or at best become a squad player and he will only have himself to blame for that. This would be sad because he loves united and is passionate but error and injury prone defender.
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Rafael is class. He had Bale and Ribéry in his pocket when he faced them. He's pretty solid defensively I think. He has one or two bad moments but most of the time he's pretty good!

Height isn't that much of an issue of fullbacks imo. Some of the best ones are short, like Lahm, Roberto Carlos, Evra, Cole etc.

He's a good player and i don't see him being sold any time soon. He was the best or second best RB in the league in the 2012-13. Last year was an awful year for everyone, I think he'll have a great season this year!
Some of the commentators were saying he was rash on the foul that led to the penalty and I think that's bullshit as he barely even touched the guy.
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rafael is an A+ defender when he concentrates and isn't being fouled every few minutes by a winger who clearly has the ref in his payroll.
Rafael is ok, but with point 2 I must agree. We usually always have problems with him in big games, on in games where we must win and stay solid, not to be overconfident like with Leicester.
Class defender, just needs to learn to keep his cool and not make unnecessary fouls. I can recall a few big games he has done this e.g Bayern.
sorry but all of your 4 reasons are rubbish...

1) height is not a must for LB/RB, even for CB... ex: cannavaro

2) all i know is he's growing more and more mature every season... after being pushed down by vardy, he immediately came back up... also he could have reacted stupidly when the ref gave the penalty, but he didnt...

3) individually he is experienced... he was just paired with 3 inexperience/ new defenders... how many times has this combination of 4 defenders played together?

4) nothing wrong with it... he did well defensively... all of our 5 conceded goals were from the left flank/ center....


he could be one of the world's best RB in the near future... he's like Marcelo of RB...
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He's not consistent defensively but he has shown when fit he can wreak havoc on the league.

He is short but most fullbacks are chasing speedy wingers and need to be quick and agile. Not many quick agile and tall rbs. Best rbs in the world are not tall so that's not a key point. He should be competing a lot more for headers though. Even if you lose you put the other defender off.

We are much better going forward with him than without him.. He needs a run of games before you start slagging him off. The penalty wasn't his fault but he could have done a better job against ulloah but he was all the way on the left side of defense so you must ask where were the cdm and 2 cbs
@Theatreofdreams sorry I disagree that all 4 points are rubbish because they are not.

Anyways, the point I was trying to make here was that I like him as a player but if he ends up on the bench or being a squad player I won't be surprised because defensively he is not rock solid and he is part of the defensive problem we have.

Leicester players pointed out in their post game interview that they planned to exploit the spaces left behind by our full backs so its something opposition is targeting us with and we can't ignore that.
@james4u

haha did i offend you, my apology... i should have used less offensive words, but i mean all your 4 points can be easily countered, cheers
Just watched the game again. Yes we should have kept the ball and defended better after 3-1 but I'm sorry, Clattenburg really did f**k us. Not only the pen and De Laet not getting a red, but a succession of awful decisions allowed leicester to just foul our players to get the ball and spring an attack, can't fault their effort though. It was utterly pathetic from the referee. I should get over it but I watched the game again and cant help but bring it up.

We were terribly unlucky and were in control until that terrible penalty decision. Imo if that didn't happen, we would have kept the ball and probably kill the game off. Notice right after the 3-3, we had possession again for the next 15mins. The fourth goal however capitulated what went wrong for us, losing the ball cheaply, and not organising ourselves defensively. Blackett and Smalling out of position and letting that dirty c**t Vardy score the fourth, who bdw nudged blackett to get on the end of a long ball, which made blackett get sent off, and the eventual fifth goal (a valuble lesson for Blackett there just to keep his head even if hes been f****d over). We can keep possession but we need to man up and not get overturn too easily. Show the opposition (Leicester and the ref lawl) youre not taking any s**t.

I understand LVG's subs tbh, Di Maria defensively is sometimes a liability but I would have liked to see Shaw play for more control.

Smalling needs to be more decisive on the ball, rojo needs to stop making silly mistakes, de gea really needs to show more competence but all these players are young and still learning so it's ok imo. RVP needs to stop sideway passing and make the quick pass to keep the attack flowing when hes not the one finishing the chance. Mata over Rooney in cam position anyday, it fits much better.

We got robbed but this game is a valuable lesson, teaching us that you need to control the game no matter what the pressure. Stand up and be men. As a team, we didn’t show that and we need to show that against West Ham this week.
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Thats the only way the home team came back in the game. We were controlling after we scored the 3rd goal and I don't remember leicester having a clear cut chance until that penalty
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Guys. Common. Get over Clattenburg and his antics.
United should not have lost the lead, let alone LOSING 5-3.

This is just sad. I am actually sick of people giving all the stick to the ref. Yes he made terrible calls, but a team like United with so much quality on the pitch should not go down like that.
Fuking disgusting.
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I mentioned how we let outselves down as a well as poor refereeing. Im over it, just had to get it off my chest becaude it really was that bad.
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So dzeko, balotelli and now rosicky laughing at united redults on twitter in recent weeks. Seems odd for a professional player to do such a thing. Lacks class imo. Far as I know, a united player has'nt done it before (prob proved wrong now haha). I hope nobody has anyway, embarrasing stuff really. Seems we have got to a lot of fans and players over the last 25 years. United syndrome?
Expected from an idiot from Balo or even Dzeko to an extent but disappointing coming from Rosicky, I mean I do not even consider Arsenal as rivals at this point. City, Liverpool or even Chelsea absolutely but when was the last time we competed against Arsenal for anything? The CL semi-final in 09 is the last time I remember when Ronaldo tore them to shreds but that's it. This year maybe given how we're rebuilding and will be fighting for their top 4 spot.

It's especially funny coming from Rosicky since he was on the field when we dick slapped them 8-2 just a few seasons ago.
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I don't think Rosicky has a twitter account mate, might of been a fake one.

Balotelli and Dzeko might want to think about growing up a bit, smacks of attention seeking, it really does lack professionalism, then again this is the ABU brigade you're dealing with here, basically gets you legend status doing something like this... Its poor stuff.

Maybe we're just being bitter about it all but I wouldn't want to see our players lowering themselves like this, I'd expect these wind up antics on social media from c***s like Piers Morgan or from teenagers and what not but from actual professionals...

Definitely United syndrome, what United have done particularly over the last 20 years has come to encompass all of English football to one degree or another, its why our struggles are met with such delight, we're rooted beneath the country's footballing psyche to such an extent that its reflected right up to opposition players and even managers... cough Waiter... cough Keegan.

I find it a bit sad really, its as if we're supposed to be apologetic or even ashamed of our success... What do people want from us?
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I hope it's a fake account because I genuinely like Rosicky and would be disappointed coming from him.

I really don't mind their comments tbh. I don't remember a United player doing something like that but we all know they're laughing their asses off when rivals lose.
It's football.
Oh I expect rival players to be happy when we lose, I know they're not robots.

But taking it to social media... Two spoonfuls of attention, twice a day.
LOL yeah I see your point :p
It was apparently rosickys instagram account. Not sure if its him.

Still strange that professionals act in such a way. Imagine if rooney or a united player did it. Be total uproar.
Well I've just been on his instagram account and he had a bit of banter with RVP over the result, not arsed about that I'm sure they're friends, he has done this a few times, I think its just a bit of banter between mates.

Either that or Rosicky is pathetically obsessed with Robin...
I don't agree with Balo/Dzeko's posts, really unnecessary and stupid for a professional player to do.

You must also not forget that Cleverley used to tweet about City/Chelsea calling them El Cachico and what not. I put that in the same category. Unnecessary and stupid.
Jokes on them if it result in retaliation from some fans, as a public figure you should know better. Some sort of punishment should be in place.
i couldnt find anything on dzeko's instagram and twitter accounts so that one might be false
https://twitter.com/EdDzeko
http://instagram.com/ed_dzeko
@tomikato, Clevz wasn't wrong though.. :P
@Badge, nope, just a little mischievous :D

If you could excuse me saying this - he finally got sidelined by some big Ca$h signings :) himself, poor guy.

I was a fan of him during his Wigan days. Maybe Villa is a good place for him to resurrect himself.
I don't think it was the real rosicky, he's super introverted and literally never says anything in the media.
Just pulling your leg mate :)

Honestly I still think Cleverley is a decent player. He was absolutely fantastic in the opening of the 2011-12 season up until that nasty injury. He's been a shadow of that player ever since. His confidence took a major hit, and worst of all the fans lost faith in him and some of them are horrible enough to harass him on his social media accounts. I think knowing the fans were against him really got to him as well. He even went on to say the abuse he was getting from the fans are the biggest reason why he left.

I never understood why some fans think it's a good idea to ridicule their own players. Nothing good can come of it, and almost always just ends up in them feeling like crap about themselves.

I hope he gets more love at Villa. I wish him well in his career.
Dunno what y'all so chuffed about, i love it when a professional player tweets some banter. adds so much fun to the game, saying that , fans that abuse/harass their own or rival players are s**t, banter should be just banter ,

My take on this.
The 33-year-old uploaded a photo of himself laughing hysterically on the social media website on Monday with the caption: ‘Leicester 3-5 Man united. #Lol’ before tagging United striker, and former Gunners man, Robin van Persie in the post.

Unfortunately for Rosicky, his attempt at trolling The Red Devils went a bit wrong after the midfielder wrote the score the wrong way around.

Well, at least he tried…
I actually agree with ashup. I like balotelli. He does not give a f**k. You need personalities like that in the game. It makes things more entertaining/exciting. The liverpool vs united game will be even better!
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^There's a difference between having a strong personality and being a complete moron though. That's childish almost.

The funny part is that Liverpool has been playing like s**t since the season started and have actually been outplayed by Villa and West Ham when they lost, as opposed to us who dominated Leicester
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wow looking at the MOTD analysis, it's crazy how disorganized our backline was in the second half, quite amateurish. there was a moment where our back 4 were in a diamond shape LOL.

while watching the game i was blaming rojo because vardy was getting in behind him time after time, but the CBs are miles apart and it's their job to close gaps and move as a unit and organize the fullbacks.. on one of those goals (4th), we had 1 cb vs 2 leicester city players, and the defender goes out for the ball leaving a free run and 1v1 vs de gea.. shocking defending.

that's one of the main knocks against smalling and evans, can they command the backline? only jones shows some leadership skills back there. we also don't have a midfielder to help organize the defense, and that's where carrick's experience is missed.

it will definitely take time to sort this out, and we will also need some consistency between in the back four. hopefully LVG has the staff to stamp this out until we get in a more experienced and vocal CB and someone who isn't injury prone. blackett showed his inexperience yesterday but look at our senior players, all have been injured at least 1 and missed at least 1 game an we are just 5 games into the season. it's a joke, we cant get any type of consistency if players cant stay fit.
Love how there was no mention of Vardys dive... Barely even talked about the refereeing other than saying there was no consistency as if Rafaels non-existent "push" on Vardy compared to his rugby barge on Rafael a few seconds earlier.

If it had been the other way around...

I cant see our defence having any consistency unless Smalling and Rojo strike up some kind of an understanding at CB, Jones is so injury prone and I think Evans is just crocked completely, Jones struggles for fitness but at least its down mainly to his own stupidity as he over commits too often, we can iron that out, Evans on the other hand is just made of glass.

We need CB's who actually have dependable fitness then we can talk about consistency.
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Yea, watching MOTD really showed just how poor we were at the back. It was disorganized and they showed how everyone at one point was pointing in different directions. It's worrying that there's so much ball watching as well which is often a reason why we're scored on. Someone else mentioned that DDG might have to pick up the mantle in organizing the defense but that's also difficult when the back line is so far up and they get caught like in the case of Vardy's goal and legit pen where our defence were caught too far up the pitch.

They really need to work on communication and when we're up by two goals, there's no real reason for everyone to be pushing up and leaving one or two at the back...
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@mufc: I can't agree with you more. It's shocking how little is mentioned of clattenoballs' performance yesterday. Instead we hear of how amazing Leicester is and how poor we are. The truth is, we all knew that we had weaknesses and vulnerabilities that just weren't exploited vs QPR. Leicester did and all credit to them for pulling it off but part of it was also due to the piss poor decisions of clattenberg.

Just to clarify on my above post, I still think DDG needs to step up in communicating to his defense, it just might be harder when they're up the pitch.
@Jiffy

Yeah mate, ex Leeds and City player Danny Mills says "he's seen them given"... What a joke, you wont hear that when we win a dodgy penalty, calls for a national inquiry along with in-depth analysis of the dive.

As I said below though, its not even a case of our vulnerabilities being exploited, Leicester had ONE shot on target in 60 minutes before that bullshit penalty, they had five shots on target all game, two of them pens, the penalty just threw the whole team off and gave Leicester the lift they needed, turned the whole thing into a freak game.

Really need a response next weekend, cant say I'm too confident as West Ham will be lifted given Liverpool made them look like Real Madrid on Saturday...
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Excuse my English if it's a little rusty...

Evans and Blackett has only had like four full games together, while Rafael and Rojo has only started two so far this season. Blackett has only had a brief pre-season while Rojo hasn't had any of that and is thrown in there because Jones is again out injured and so was Smalling. It was always going to be testing, it's testing for the most experienced defenders at times. Most of them are still a young age for a CB.

There's still room for improvement, while it's clear we don't have a lot of experience and know-how without Vidic and Rio these players (especially Jones, Smalling and Evans who the club brought up or in to be the replacements for Rio and Vidic) has to be baptised at some point to gain the needed experience while it might create some nervous moments, errors and collapses. Only time will tell if it will bear fruit. It might take a season or two for it to really work.

Rio and Vidic's early days wasn't always smooth sailing either, they also needed time to get used to eachother. They had years to form a partnership, so that is what needs to happen now. The defenders have to step up and take that responsibility and be leaders and get a good communication going, they are what we have atm and it's now up to them to take this opportunity.

The club will probably try and bring in more experience and cover for injuries later on but this is their chance to prove they can handle this level and be what they were always intended to be. Otherwise what's the point of having them in the squad?
well stated gomlee, this is thier chance to show they have what it takes.. they will need some consistent run of games and in order to get that, they need to stay fit.

the lack of organization is what concerns us the most though as there was no leader out there to organized the back. you can see why a 3 cb system was prefered at the start. with fullbacks that push up, it leaves space behind and the CBs will be drawn out of position to cover and it makes a mess of things if that backline is not communicating well. i think we should be playing with 2 CDM, especially if we are just protecting a lead. we had too many attackers on the pitch and yet we brought on a CAM and winger late in the game instead of someone to steady the ship. perhaps we would have put on fletcher or someone like that to show some leadership, set the tempo and help calm the team down. i think these situations are where we miss players like carrick to calm everyone down on the pitch.
That's where the communication and playing regularly together comes in. If there is no consistency they'll never become good at organizing, all players in the past has had to go through this at one point when they become the senior players. Daley Blind also needs time to get familiar with his teammates and to better control the space in front of them. It's like LVG has said, these things needs a little time. New friendships and leaders has to emerge in the dressing room and in training. The old cliche, Rome wasn't built in a day.
While it may be true that the defenders we had weren't all that blessed with game time under their belts, this is basic defending that they got horribly wrong time after time. Not just that, it was so often in such a short span of time too. I mean, you'd expect professional players to be able to rectify and go into damage limitation on their own if they had to hold a 2 goal (fine, 1 goal) lead for 25 minutes. Or even after the lead was wiped, they could have learnt to stop the onslaught.

My point is that the refereeing may have not helped us but we were is such a good position and we made such catastrophic errors that blaming other parties seems like overlooking the main problem here.

Also, people seem to have taken a rather softer outlook on DDG this instance. Yes, he was let down rather badly, but I want 'the best shot stopper in the EPL' to stop at least 1 out of 3 shots. If that is asking too much, I want my goalkeeper to at least make an attempt on at least 1 of those instances and not just stand flat-footed.

Lastly, if Evans has any claim to being the senior most defender at United it isn't on merit and it is purely incidental that he has been here the longest, because I want my senior most defender to show some leadership and show the ability to get his people sorted out. I don't care if he isn't the best defender, if he is the only one with half a brain on his shoulders with 3 young/inexperienced/new defenders next to him, then he needs to be the one who organizes them so we don't ship 3 goals from open play.

EDIT: Wow, had a massive brain-fart. Sorry for ranting away at Evans. Meant to direct that Smalling. Fail! I'll show myself out now. Bye.
Haha! I do think there's a lot of nervousness right now, it's new for them after playing second fiddle to Rio and Vidic for so long. Hopefully they can get their s**t together and start commanding the defence, that needs to happen if we are going to have a good or even decent season. They have to become men, and not point fingers at others.
Hats off to Leicester. They played well. that being said Utd should really have had that game in the bag at 3-1. But these things happen in football and I'd rather it happen now than later in the season when the team starts to actually resemble a team. This is a new squad, new philosophy, a new age!

In hindsight things can only get better! ;)
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"Things can only get better"
I said that about ten times last season and Moyes always managed to prove me wrong LOL
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Of course the big difference is we don't have Moyes anymore! (Thank whatever god you believe in!)
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Gotta look at LVG's track record and have hope. Every team he's every taken over has sucked at first. They'll figure it out.
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I have offered my sacrifices to Odin, we shall be saved!
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Oh for sure, Dtouch.

I'm really sad about yesterday's result, but I'm not doubting Van Gaal at all. I don't like to always bash on Moyes like this but with Moyes it looked like we were going nowhere, like we had no plan for the future, no philosophy being installed. This was later confirmed by Rio and what some of the other players.

We have started the season slowly, sure, but I can definitely see the direction this team is taking. This is the first game everyone played together. The season has just started and I'm really looking forward to what LvG will do with us for the next 3 years!
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Whats wrong with all these united xplayer n xstaff who keep bashing van gal n his men?now meulensten said that lvg never rate shaw..
Its called diatribe.

It just fits the media agenda, Shaw was an LVG signing, suggesting he doesn't rate him is just ridiculous, I've got a lot of respect for Meulensteen but what the f**k does he know about what LVG thinks of his players?

Shaw has only just recovered from a hamstring injury, an injury he picked up before the PL began, hamstring injurys are dodgy you cant rush players back particularly young players, Rojo played well against QPR, would of been cruel to drop him especially for a player who has only just came back from injury.

Sure LVG criticised his fitness levels during the summer tour but Shaw responded really well and Van Gaal has even defended him on that front when he basically told Hodgson to stfu.

Shaw will have a great career here, the bullshit this kid has had to take since signing for us is disgusting, a few months ago he was named the best LB in the league, outstanding prospect, Coles heir in the England team... signs for us and now he is fat, on some totally imaginative 160k a week and is now unrated by his manager, f*****g hilarious.
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Today I learned that Van Gaal agreed to us spending 30m on a player he "doesn't rate".

Get out of here René.

I'm willing to bet that Shaw will be a club legend by the time he retires 15 years or so from now.
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i don't think shaw is LVG signing.i think he's woodward signing.i don't think LVG involve in any manutd transfer before netherland got knockout at the WC
He said that they asked him before going ahead with Shaw and Herrera and said yes because he liked both of them.
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"in clattenburg's last 6 games refereeing us, he has sent off 3 United players and awarded 5 penalties against us"

not sure if he's biased or just an utter s**t...
+7
He was heavily criticised for his performance at Stamford Bridge a couple of seasons ago, as usual he was immediately accused of having some kind of Manchester United bias so has been trying to prove a point since.

The club should complain, I really wanted to avoid dragging it all up again but his performance yesterday was breathtakingly one sided.

Not just the ridiculous penalty but a string of decisions, first of all the ball had gone out of play just before Vardy crossed for Leicesters first, we should never have been discussing that first penalty as Rafael was clearly fouled by Vardy seconds before and regardless of that Vardy dived anyway, De Laet committed three bookable offences at a minimum, he couldn't live with Di Maria and Rojo down the left, he went on to assist a goal, Blackett was actually fouled by Vardy (again) right before he ran in behind and Blackett then gave the pen away and received a dismissal, It was a repeat of the Rafael incident except this one was actually a pen, even outside of the major decisions almost every 50/50 was given Leicesters way.

Its incredibly infuriating as its made our performance and even our defending look shambolic when we were cruising for 60 minutes, we were even defending well up until that point, people forget Leicester only had 5 on target (two of them pens) and 4 of them came after that bullshit pen was awarded, the shock of the penalty just killed the game for us, even Carragher said it, after scoring our third if we settle for ten minutes or so the game would have been dead, Leicester had no momentum in that second half until the penalty.

Team needs to be mentally stronger though and I really don't want to be dismissive of Leicester as they worked so hard for the result but its just hard to take when we just didn't deserve it.
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As always, well said Jason. Pretty much exactly how I feel about Clattenburg's performance from yesterday.
Spot on, exactly how I feel too.


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