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Today we lost to a great (I said great, not "greatest" like some City fool might make you believe) City team but we shot our self in the foot. We made way too many mistakes and you cannot do that against the best teams.

Now we are 11 points behind and League is probably over but we should keep improving. We played Watdord away, Arsenal away and City at home, and 6 points is not a bad return but sadly it dosent feel that way. We have some good fixture coming up and i am hoping we could go on a run of good form and see what we can do. We need to get our players back and going. Pogba, Bailey, Fellaini, Jones, Zlatan, Mkhi etc. We have cups to compete for, we are in the champions league after a small break and there might be few surprises in the league. You never know.

If there is one thing that we should not do, and that is give up. Long season ahead. Chin up boys.
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Agree man. We shouldn't give up, even if we don't win the title, top 4 finish and CL progress is not a bad season.

But I'm very disappointed that we always have half of our squad missing through injuries. I don't think any other top team has such a poor injury record.

On the bright side Lindelof looked good. Cant wait to see how they perform with Baily if he ever gets fit again. I think our full strength team is not too far off City's, but they seem to be always fit this season and we seem to be always missing our key players.
I'm not surprise by the result - i knew it coming a mile away.

Jose has bad record against Guardiola from way back.
@joeymac well said man.
Never ever thought, Manchester United , one of the best club in the world, would park the bus at home in a derby match, against a team whom we had to beat so badly in order to close the gap. Draw or lose , the title race would have been over anyway so why not go for the win instead?

Little bit of urgency and purpose after 2 goals down. Should have started with that mentality from the very start.

Not even a single attempt, until we went a goal down in the 42nd minute. Sorry, but that's too negative , Jose.
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what are you talking about? Jose didnt park the bus today he actually played to win. I am gutted we are too dependent on pogba we really need reinforcements in the January window get us creative midfielder. we need full backs badly ashley young and valencia not good enough. we should get right back soon
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Don't get fooled by the 3 attacking players, they spent the whole of the first half defending in our own half and tracking back.

O shots, playing at home up until the 42nd minute when we conceded a goal, doesn't sound like we were set up for a win. Sure we had some counter attacking threats with 3 attacking players who would occassionally get a moment of attacking burst, but it was all rinse and repeat, the first half. City attacking and trying to find a loophole in our defense, and we defending for our lives hoofing out anything City spilled.

Young and Valencia were not bad, they were just asked to sit back and defend. Look at the 2nd half , Valencia making some forward runs. Did you see a single forward run from our full back in the first half? How could they, if we were defending the whole first half.
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He played defensive and sit back and tried counter them. but lets not all blame everything on the manager martial was poor so as herrera. I dont why jose keep playing herrera and matic it didn't work vs chelsea so why bother with it. Jose should give blind a chance he showed in the past that he can play in middle thats another option he had. Its pathetic that we are one man team now. without pogba no creativity. we need to strengthen our squad this January and in the summer.
I think Jose is more at fault here than the players. We have seen the same midfield without Pogba not work in the past, of course its not going to work against Pep team.

Lukaku was bad today but the way we play without Pogba makes him look even worse. He might be big and tall but doesn't mean he knows how to knock it down. All we did was hoof it long and hope Lukaku can get the ball in control who is also known to have poor first touch

Our team clearly showed we can play without resorting to long balls when we conceded the goal. We actually kept hold of the ball for more than 30 seconds but as soon as equalised that s**t went out the window and was back to plan A until we conceded the second goal. I remember when martial passed to Rashford when they JUST got into city's half expecting the quick 1-2,but no he instead tries to cross it to Lukaku with 3 defenders surrounding him.

City were better than us but they were poor compared to there normal standard, Arsenal last week was more of a threat towards goal than today.
Jose is not to blame - because it was virtually the same kind of performance as vs arsenal. The team created chances, it was down to the players after that to atleast salvage s draw.

The game against Liverpool, yes there Jose is to blame for negative tactics, but not today.

Vs City the team shot itself in the foot - first helped city score goals by presenting them 2 easy gifts. Next not being able to finish from 2 yards out
It was a shitty game overall and I'm not blaming it on one player, but I'll just express my frustration about Lukaku because it's been piling up the last few games.
It's nice that some fans are trying to defend him on this forum. but let's be realistic here, he's not United quality unless he improves a lot. and I mean A LOT. Just compare him to the likes of RVP, RVN to have a sense of what we deserve and what we have. We all knew his touch is woeful but his awareness in positioning has become s**t compared to the start of the season and that was the only attribute that was saving his ass. He's never in a good position to receive crosses, and he's not making any good runs. At one point in the game when Lingard picked the ball to start a counter attack he was running away with a distance of at least 40 meters from the ball. wtf was he expecting?
Strenghts: physical presence in attack. that's it.
Weaknesses: horrible touch, small footballing brain, bad positioning, no right foot, terrible finishing, no long shot on him.
I'll support him until the end of the season tho. in hopes that he'll improve because he's young.
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even u and i go thru phases sometimes we can't find the skills or heart to do the simple things... like the freakin washing up or clean up the daim place. it's called real life ffs.

speaking of which I ask you, how does a man drag himself outta that hole... by being beat up and shat on by his own family at each mistake in times of hardship?...
or by being showed patience, trust and support?

why should it be any different for luka than it is for any of us?
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Agree. RVP, RVN does things we need badly. That is first touch, holding, lay off, beat defenders, finishing. Also, RVP was top class at clearing front post crosses during corners for us.

When we dont have Pogba, we can only hoof the ball up field. That is when we need Lukaku most to bring the ball down or head it to others. But he is often missing in action, loses duel or heads it to nobody.

He is not the only one to blame though. If our midfield and crossing improves, Lukaku will do much better. But what he did inside our box tonight is inexcusable.
@Maxmaxima Sure. If I go to a match I'll shout his name and support him in any way I can like any proper fan should. I won't even be too harsh on him on twitter in case he reads the tweets lol. But here on footytube I'm sharing my frustration with fellow fans. I expect my club to go for a better striker and replace Lukaku if they can (unless he improves drastically).
@erfaneri. I believe everything I put in the world has an impact, and I never presume of how big that impact will be. Cos once it's done, what happens / who hears it is out of my hands.
So personally until finally proven to the contrary,win or lose, I'll stand by this entire Utd side. That's just how I roll. To each his/her own tho.
@football is city one more post from you here and you will be banned. No exceptions
+3
Congrats on the win Tomi
Thx. Sort of ugly win but i’ll take it. The derbies aren’t that interesting anymore tbh.

Ederson was our de gea today. Lukaku needs a break - maybe play Rashford upfront? Also mourinho did attack today so fair play to both teams
Lol United fans literally don't know how good they have it with Lukaku compared to us. I would f*****g take Lukaku over Suarez right now even if both of Lukaku's feet were his weak foot. I would literally trade Suarez+Gomes+Rakitic for Lukaku.
^thats a lie
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Then I personally invite you to come watch the Barca game right now and you can see if I'm telling the truth or not. I can count with one f*****g hand how many goals Suarez has scored this season...
Lukaku for Suarez, no way. Although Suarez is terrible ATM,I wouldn't take lukaku ever.

+8
No way is Lukaku better than Suarez
Suarez onform is better than Lukaku is a no brainer. But he is really out of form
BearWithFish, exactly! Suarez has been so f*****g shit the past year he makes Lukaku look like Ronaldo lol
See, Suarez is the kinda guy who would put in extra hours in training and come back. Lukaku.. no offense since I'm an outsider, but I feel his attitude is lacking. I'd take an out of form Suarez over Lukaku any day of the week.
Alright. I think we put up a good fight against an in form team. We always knew it was gonna be an uphill task when pep rested 7 players midweek. Maybe we should focus on the cup competitions now and champions league

Key Opta Facts:

- Manchester City have won their last 14 league games in a row – the most by a team in a single English top-flight season.
- Indeed, City's 14-game winning streak is the joint-best-ever in the English top-flight alongside Arsenal's run between February and August 2002.
- This was just the second time a team has scored more than one goal in the Premier League at Old Trafford against Jose Mourinho’s Manchester United (also City in September 2016, 2-1).
- Jose Mourinho has lost nine matches in all competitions against Pep Guardiola, more than against any other manager.
- Five of David Silva's six Premier League goal involvements against Manchester United have come at Old Trafford (three goals, two assists).
- Marcus Rashford has been involved in 11 goals in 12 games in all comps at Old Trafford this season (6 goals, 5 assists), more than any other United player.
- Nicolas Otamendi is now the top scoring defender in the Premier League this season (4).
+4
Pogba is the most important player right now, without him Matic looks lost as well. With Pogba, Matic looks like a complete midfielder.
Our form with and without Pogba are like day and night.

With Pogba - played 8, won 7 drawn 1
Without Pogba - played 8, won 4, drawn 1, lost 3

Pogba pulls all the strings in midfield, and we have had to play all the biggest games without him - Vs Chelsea, Vs Spurs, Vs Liverpool and now City. Key games in which he was badly missed. He played vs Arsenal and single handedly controlled that game although he didn't score

What's worrying is that after spending all that money, we are still so reliant on one player. Last season it was Zlatan, this season it is Pogba.
Need to get Griezmann asap, hopefully in Jan. And add another midfielder who can create ANYTHING
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I would argue that Fellaini is United's most important player.
+1
Mourinho did say Matic was not fully fit during midweek but had to start since we got no other options
XD haha Iscodisco lol "Fallani" is the best player in the world ! :D
Yeah we genuinely lack options.
Herrera is good as a box to box player but he will never be a creative midfielder.
Imagine the havoc we could cause on the counter attack if we had quality in the middle and upfront. Mou's RM team was a prime example of quality on the break and used to score goals at will. Broke all kinds of scoring records back then

I think we have to be objective when we look at the players we have :
-Mkhi has been tipping towards a flop for me. The fact that he isnt injured and still not even in the squad for a big game speaks volume
- Mata has been on a downwards slope too

Apart from these, there are no genuine wingers either.
Martial is good but sometimes I feel the players around him are not of the same wavelength. Rashford is much better as a CF who drags defenders along with him, than on the wings.
Your man of the match David de Gea again, you guys are so lucky to have him, not for him we could have had at least 3 or 4 goals
+4
Your man of the match Mike Oliver, you guys are so lucky to have him, not for him we could have had at least a fair game
+11
the saves he made were easy saves most goalkeepers make. its our mistakes and freebies that won you the game
+1
You guys are so lucky to have Michael Oliver.
+1
He's a new Manchester City fan Cheshire, take it easy on him. Their fanbase doubles every week that City is on top. Similar to what happened with Leicester.

Hell, he probably owns a Leicester jersey as well :-)
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I know, but it's hilarious to troll guys like him lol
I think he was the old guy AgueroIsCity and after Aguero got benched by Pep re-incarnated as FootballIsCity lol.. A true "Cityzen"
+1
haha its funny you guys are happy about this loss? i thought you guys would be more down instead of cracking jokes! Vaaz is right AgueroCity i changed it cos had technical problems with that account. Speaking of Oliver how many penalties did he not give City? he was spot on to book Herrera for that dive though he missed Lingard's dive.

Take this as a compliment you guys are lucky to have David de Gea definitely a 100 mil pound keeper in my opinion if Madrid wants him.

But if it makes you guys happy i just became a City fan today ;)
+4
It's ok FootballisCity, we all knew that the result of this game would determine who you'll be supporting for the rest of your life and since you were a little kid....until the next derby...
+4
Yeah as pissed off as some United fans are making me today, we are absolutely privileged for you to not support this club
+2
And City are lucky to have super rich owners.

I mean, the Arabs could have chosen Bristol Rovers and you would be a Bristol fan today.
+5
Well united are a well known small business of course.... all the big teams are owned by billionaires. Everyone has lots of money and everyone is spending it.
+2
we lacked pogba today in midfield.

We need more quality in the middle and that's obvious. lacked decisive passes all day in the middle and chased their shadows.
Even Pogba wouldn't have been able to stop Lukaku from f*****g your team today.
+3
lol true.
DDG doesn’t deserve this kind of rubbish. It’s most likely that he will be gone. He is the kinda GK who should be winning titles by default and playing in UCL finals
Instead he is saving the ass of a team that can barely create a chance, and worse can’t even freaking clear the ball from a set piece and offers 2 tap ins on a plate to the opponent in the biggest game of the season
+3
Agreed!!
+2
luka officially a flop
So there's no point in playing anymore. 1st place is gone already and we have to fight for 2nd spot lol. That just hurts to say. f**k this s**t.
+4
13 goals in 23 games. He's not a flop, all this hatred for one of our players needs to stop right now, it's despicable. He's hit a drought, can he be better? Absolutely. Should he be better? Of course. But give me a break on he rest of this "he's shite" stuff, it's pathetic.

Not talking to you specifically MU2017, but I want to put it out there.
+2
Lukaku is not a flop he just goes absent in big games sometimes, but he did well against arsenal. unlucky today in front of goal and I just don't know what he was trying to do in defence today lol.
+1
Joeymac you can't say 13 goals in 23 games, it doesn't work like that, its more like 1 goals in 10+ games or something, thats pretty poor if you ask me. I'm still surprised he's starting ahead of Ibra, i don't think it has anything to do with Ibra not being fit its more to do with Lukaku's price tag. I don't think Mourinho wants to hear from the owners you buy a player for 75 mil pounds and then you bench him?
+1
I agree. We missed Pogba big time today. In the big games, you have to show up and Luka didn't show up today. It's not like he didn't get a chance. He had a chance to make up for the mistake, but he hit straight in the throat. He will be a flop for sure if he doesn't show up in the big games.
Does he have 13 goals in 23 games? 24 now? Then I can say it. I agree he's on poor form and should make way for Ibra or even Rashford up top. But I refuse to discount his production and ability because of a bad run of form.
you must be deluded if you think lukaku can improve..do you think he can improve his first touch to atleast lingard's level? maybe if he trained every single day then he has a chance.
what kind of striker is lukaku? a poacher is the closest,is he good at poaching? not really,his awareness to around goal to get a tap in is garbage..we had van nistelrooy,perfect example of goal poacher,technique,speed,and finishing.
berbatov? same as ruud but not as fast.
heck even ronaldo can play a better role at goal poaching with his tap ins.
Deluded if I think a 24-year-old footballer playing in his first season at one of the biggest clubs in the world can improve? Does this even warrant a response?
+1
that's why mou protects rashford and martial never presenting them as top strikers; so fotm phoneys don't spill sour cum on em every time they miss chances. and trust me, miss they often do!

ye, get your griezman miracle then find him excuses like you did rooney for 3 years not scoring until finally even the strongest delusion can't do the trick making you believe in your own bs.

we lost 2.1 at home to a better team - suck it up sports! instead of committing GBH on one of your own... a young talented player struggling to adapt to 80k pairs of eyes every week and millions spewing venom like you sorry lot.

get a fckn grip and act like a real Utd fan ffs.
come man...rashford starting for us since 18yrs has been more promising that lukaku at 24yrs doing jack..what of his 10 second decision in front of an empty goal against arsenal?
I bet my arse he isn't going to last at MU if he is going to "rely" on service to him...as a striker you can't just wait for every ball to fall perfectly for you,even if it did he'd still miss.


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