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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKs8zpBboRc

Seriously,what happened to this player? Used to be such a beast.
He probably wasn't a world class player, but was a very very good player nonetheless. But now he is so piss poor.

How can someone from being so good become this poor?
He hasnt been the same since that horrible injury.
I would have thought the same. But the injury he suffered was back in 2010 and this vid is from 2011-12.He still looks very good and confident in this video.So,what really happened to him in the last 2 seasons?
do you guys remember francis jeffers?
Wow he can dribble cross n shot..what hv change him,mayb bcos no7?well hope he can get his form back,or at least improve his cross..
Alan Smith, who used to be an aggressive hard tackler for us, ended with his injury. He left to Newcastle and ended up at MK Dons last season.

Rodrigo Possebon, who we thought an exciting prospect, he end up playing for a club in 4th Division, Brazil after serious injury.

These "serious" injuries have more psychological effect than we think. It may end a player's career. Its amazing how Henrik Larsson come back like there wasn't any injury.
I used to look at AV7 and say there's a man who always looks to make something happen
What a transformation
He got found out as well. After most of the leagues left backs played against him a few times they knew how to deal with him. Very very one footed. Of course the injury had a big effect too.
that video was after his injury though, and that season's player of the season performance was after his injury. i think he's just lost some of his explosive pace and for whatever reason and his confidence is way down.
Adnan keeps getting better. He will be the best player at Utd in 3-4 years.

http://www.youtube.com/user/99corrigan1/videos

Adnan vs Sunderland U21.

He needs playing time.
One of the very most talented players I've seen come out of academy, ever.
I really really hope that with all these signings, we don't neglect him and Wilson.

He looks way too good to play for U21 level lol
+1
Nice vid chap
Exactly, I hope he will not be a bench warmer. He is a viable playmaker too so I wouldn't mind him replacing Mata from time to time if not Di Maria. He is too good to let go of. PLAY HIM!
Might learn a thing or two from Di Maria about playing in the midfield. Imagine those same penetrative runs from Januzaj...umph tantalising prospect.
Nice vdeo.we got so many bunch of youngster that going to impress lvg.hopes the likes of w keane n others get a fair chance too..
Btw,why are we still paying Anderson?

Players like Kagawa, Welbz, Nani,Chica, were allowed to leave and this guy is still in the roster.
Does any club want him?same goes for young..
perriera was fantastic too. both too good for the reserves. keane did well too, very unselfish and important in the buildup.
I just can't bring myself to hate Ando even though as a player he is not up to standard. The guy (like Chicha) is always positive and smiling! even when having to play for the reserves.
Please don't put him in the same bucket as Lord Young.
Saw this on FB, posting it for no real reason

ROONEY is scoring
VAN GAL is smiling
FERGI is clapping
DIMARIA is dribbling
HERRERA is assisting
DEGEA is saving
ROJO is clearing
FALCAO is waiting
THE RED DEVILS are rejoicing
BRENDAN ROGERS is crying
WENGER is shivering
WELBECK is wondering
RONALDO is wishing
MOURINHO is describing
LEGENDS are predicting
MANU is winning
ARSENAL FUNS are talking sh*t
LIVERPOOL is leaving
We are THE RED DEVILS...the best....

It's actually pretty funny, I think I might've liked it
Liverpool is leaving... leaving the top 4? Probably
ManchesterUnited** :)
(Disclaimer: i seek to space my writing out well in blocks so it's not a wall of text)

Interested to know if anyone remembers Fergie talking about how midfield requirements have changed over the last few seasons...
I can't remember what year the interview was. Anywhere between 3 and 7 seasons ago!

Fergie said GONE ARE THE DAYS when you need an aggressive destroyer in central midfield. Fergie said... These days you need elegance like Carrick, a good sense of space and tempo, strong possession and a range of passing like Scholes.
Fergie said that's the way the game has changed now.

And you know, looking at Toure, I think he's right.
People look at Toure and notice his imposing physical stature, but we all know that's not what makes him a great player... there are plenty of physically imposing players in the PL. Fellaini is one of them. No, Yaya Toure is a first choice midfielder because of his control of the ball, his pacy penetration, ability to start a move from the midfield. Ability to shoot and score from distance, like Scholes (damn I miss you Scholes)
You don't see Toure flying into tackles ala Roy Keane or Gattuso and he's still dominant.
Hell, Scholes was a TERRIBLE TACKLER and he's still United's greatest ever central midfield player. I think that proves a point. We don't need a tackler. We need Carricks. We need Herreras. We need Blinds.

It's not like it used to be
In the 90s and early 2000s Fergie went with
Scholes/Keane, Scholes/Butt, Ince/Butt (rip your legs), Ince/Keane (rip your whole midfield), Keane/Butt (rip again)

After ol graybeard Keane left in 2005, we didn't seek to replace him.
Fergie wanted passers and movers. We bought Carrick in 2006
and Scholes/Carrick was near-perfection for many years.
The most imposing midfields of the past years boasting Ballack/Lampard or Toure/DeJong would actually get played off the park at times by Scholes/Carrick
They were purely outsmarting and out-playing them all

So bottom line is, I don't think Fergie would say we needed anything more in our central midfield at the moment. Herrera, Blind, and Carrick will be quality for us.
Vidal and Strootman would be great to have sure, just like CR7 would be great to have
But it may be surplus to requirements
There is no weakness in the team just because we don't have them
We've actually already got quality in place
lol all this because we beat qpr? you say this now, but when yaya toure is bursting towards our box and only blind and herrera are in his way you will see the folly of your words!

didn't you see how cheap the goals were we gave away vs swansea? or the really easy chances we gifted qpr? the way fer and sandro and traore either burst past or knocked our CMs to the ground?

we have improved greatly with herrera and blind but neither are world class and neither are particularly athletic and we would be in trouble vs teams that have that pace and strength in the middle, especially given our frail defense.

you still need steel and athelticism to compete at the highest level against the strongest opponents imo, but the steel has to be silky on the ball too in modern footy. while destroyers have gone out of favor, a new breed of dynamic CM/CDM is emerging and unless we start playing like barca circa 2009-2012 or unless blind transforms into pirlo, i think we will need more reinforcement in midfield to compete with and impose ourselves on the best teams.

but yeah we should be fine vs the middle of the line teams with them in the middle, i agree. but man for man vs the top teams, we are still short in CM.
+5
well football has evolved a lot since then and no disrespect to SAF but nowadays without a box to box/destroyer in the team to do the dirty work, break up attack and gain back possession you are doomed especially against big teams.
+1
sure, it is too early after one fine day against QPR to make rash calls,
therefore let's also not assume that Blind-Herrera can't get better!
...just after one game against QPR you're saying it won't be good enough!?

Carrick-Scholes wasn't a world-beating combo in 2006 when Carrick first joined
By 2008-2009 we were following up the CL with the World Club Cup...they were LITERALLY world beaters at that point!
Patience, patience. They will gel, they will grow, and when they come up against tough challenges and get knocked down, they will get back up and learn to control the game better.
In time, my friends

A steely CB is what we'll need. Steel in center midfield, over-rated!

Ya don't need to throw a whirling dervish f'in wreckin ball at the other team's players until he tires himself out and pulls a dam hamstring
Ya just need to pass it better and smarter than them dammit, simple stuff
Why do you think even barca has to have someone like busquets in their team nowadays, or bayern with javi martinez when they won the CL, matic at chelsea, fernando/dinho at mc?
It's not a coincidence that real struggle now without ADM and alonso to do the dirty work.

Football evolves like everything else. Smart players who can hold possession and pick a pass alone are not enough anymore because coach is coming up with new tactics to counter them.
That's why balance is important. Having a steel next to the silk is the way forward. Having 2 players who can be both steel and silk (Herrera-Strootman) and we can be world-beater.
I agree with some of your points. You are right that football has evolved and that smart midfielders now can beat even the biggest most physical players in the world.

Put Iniesta and Xavi in their prime, two 5'7 guys in a midfield against Viera and Toure and the Spaniards would tear them apart.
That said, I think for that to work that well, you need to have truly world class players. Not just very good players like Herrera or Blind, but truly world class. It worked with Scholes because Scholes is Scholes. He's by faaar the greatest Central Mid in the history of the PL. And Scholes was still a very physical player. He had his share of bad tackles but players knew that if they came close to him he's tackle the s**t out of them.

It worked with Barca because the other team literally could not touch the ball and had to deal with 25% possession in every game. It was more than their midfield, it was their entire philosophy starting with Victor Valdes all the way up to Messi, Villa and Pedro.

We need muscle in our midfield. Or else we'll be like Arsenal. They've had their share of technically gifted, intelligent midfielders for years now but even though they played beautiful football, they struggled against the bigger teams. Everyone talks about the absence of Henry or Fabregas, but I think they went downhill the second Viera left.
Same goes for Real Madrid in the Galacticos days. When they sold Makelele they were considerably worse imo.

Vidal would've been the perfect candidate for that spot imo. Or even Khedira or Carvalho would've been great.
That said, Herrera and Blind are absolutely fantastic additions to the team! Our midfield is infinitely better than it was last season.

btw, would you guys still want Strootman with these 2 new sigings? Wouldn't Strootman be a similar player himself?
+2
SIF, I've only seen Strootman a handful of times and I always saw him as a Carrick type of intelligent player who reads the game well. I know he's like 6'2, but is physically intimidating? Is he that physical of a player?

If so it'd make perfect sense for us to try to go after him.
yeah badge there is overlap as strootman can play #6 (blind's best position) and #8 (herrera's best position if not #10).. but i would play strootman over blind as #6 and as #8 over herrera so it's moot for me. strootman isn't world class but he's a way more complete footballer than either of those too due to his athleticism combined with technical ability to dribble, pass and shoot and his vision and footy IQ. between herrera and blind i'd sit blind though just because i feel safer with strootman's athleticism shielding the defense even if he's probably best as a B2B.

i've never seen the blind signing as an auto starter anyways, i always thought he would be fantastic option for rotation but i would still get a midfield tank like strootman to start most games and especially the ones vs top teams.
Thank you Badge for engaging with those points and I have follow-up for ya
Fair points that passers can ONLY beat pure Alpha Male Aggression
if they're world-class and
if the whole team embodies the philosophy.

I do believe the 2nd point is more important than the first.
I do not believe great passing only beats Alpha Midfielders if the players are world class. You don't HAVE TO have a Xavi, Iniesta, or Scholes to out-pass the other team. (Althetico Bilbao devastated us 2 or 3 seasons ago with a younger Ander Herrera...that was a bunch of nobodies...they were merely much much sharper than us)
I do think it is more about team-philosophy and team-fluidity. And I believe LVG will instill something like that in us. Moyes couldn't

But your point about Arsenal is one I think of all the time. Well-schooled teams learned that to stop Arsenal, you have to overcome them physically...

At the end of the day, we know it's about overall talent,
not just physicality or possession, but both
you can't just have a physically-imposing player (Fellaini) if people are gonna pass the ball in circles around him all day
you can't just have quick, nimble passers if they can get bullied out a game (like Arsenal for a whole decade)
This is the I-Ching of Footy lolol

What we want is for the players we DO have to kind of develop their philosophy so that we're mentally and intuitively on the same page, a step ahead of our opposition,
and then we also want to develop our psychology of mental toughness over our opponents
I would argue that Arsenal's problem was MENTAL, not physical
And I do believe that if Herrera and Blind grow mentally as well as physically, along with a well-experienced Carrick
Then we're looking at a badass unit
I don't think it's strictly about the physical world of things at all
If you're stronger mentally, you're gonna outsmart and outplay the other team
That's why what was levied against Arsenal by the press and PAT EVRA
was that Arsenal was a team of BOYS playing against MEN!
But what makes a team of MEN then, do they all have to be Keano's? No.
They have to be professional, smart, sharp, driven, up for a damn challenge.

Strootman has a long-term injury ... look at that
Keano was never the same after a series of injuries slowed him down...
Let's not depend on the one-man wrecking ball to solve all our problems with his physical excellence, that's expendable... It's about playing FOOTBALL
FOOTBALL *Brains* win games
Toure is great because he is finesse AND strength. Strength still plays an important part in the midfield position, don't be mistaken.
why are your posts always so looooong lol :D and the sentences are spaced out like a poem. please at least try to make it rhyme next time :P
+3
goals win games mate not passing football, we already saw the rise and fall of pep's barcelona. we also saw tito's barca get demolished by bayern.

strootman isn't a 1 man wrecking ball, already stated he isn't world class.

what he does offer is a bit more athleticism and aggression in winning possession and screening the defense in addition to the other technical stuff we would want in our midfield. the guy is very dynamic and very balanced in his skillset, makes a very strong weapon in any midfield as he can do a number of things well. the idea is to make our midfield more competitive and i think strootman does that for us as he can do more than herrera or blind individually especially in defense but he is no slouch and can bomb forward as well.

injury argument is moot mate, he's still a young man, he can recover from this injury without it plaguing his career potentially, but only time will tell. there's a reason LvG still wants this guy and i think he's the one to complete the jigsaw because of his great skill-set.

@badge he can be commanding, sure. i think he can hold his own against the strong midfielders in our league and in europe. he's not going to dominate every team but he will boss most games and will compete with the best midfielders and wont get bossed around.

im sure you've seen this but the guy can play anywhere in CM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wq8cQ-ldJo
@Drde hehehehe ahhh, yup I know
I'll work on it hahaha
At least it ends with a rhyme though

At least it ends ...
I need to give you the diet version
The light beer version
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/revista-de-la-liga/news/9472283/cristiano-ronaldo-return-to-manchester-united-is-in-place

Make of it what you will.

Personally this doesn't sound solid to me, Balague broke the Di Maria story but he really threw his weight behind it, this reminds me of the Thiago stuff where he really sat on the fence.
there are also reports that Chelsea is competing us for him.

if this january, we have to choose between CR7 or Strootman and a decent CB, who would you guys pick? i would never pass on CR7
This guy seems exactly like an attention wh*re looking for upvote on YT no?
I mean he just teased MU fans with the one news he knows pretty much everyone craves for but in the end has no hard proof about it. Non story imo and I don't think he can fool anyone on here or anywhere else with that.
+2
Ronaldo coming back would be awesome imo. Just imagine it. Lvg's decision though. Strootman seems like itll be done.
I think its possible but will LVG really need him? i dont know.
I could see it happening and there's no question about his love for United. It would be a great time to join with the squad we've put together and continue to build. Of course the problem is how to get out and how much is it going to cost. He's not going to betray the Real fans that's for sure.

Again, I can see why there's so much speculation, but I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen. It just wouldn't surprise me if it did. He also never gives much more than stuff like "you never know about the future" so the speculation is always there and this story will run constantly
+2
@Ttk86

There is little loyalty in football but I don't think even for a second that Ronaldo would join any other English club but Manchester United.

He cant stand Mourinho neither and Mourinho has made it clear that he doesn't like him, I don't see him wanting to play under Mourinho ever again.
+2
@Drde159
he prob read it on Metro and repost lol. it always seems more reliable on Sky
http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/12/manchester-united-to-make-60m-transfer-offer-to-re-sign-cristiano-ronaldo-4866118/
http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/10/chelsea-set-aside-60million-to-sign-cristiano-ronaldo-from-real-madrid-in-january-4864058/

edit: @MUFC1990 yeah, i would hate to see him in blue. They are prob all media bs anyways
if he really wanted to come back he wouldnt have told ADM to take up the number 7 shirt, all this seems like extreme speculation from the media and wishful thinking from us united fans if he ever does come back it wont be next year or lol this January(impossible), it will be a few years down the line
@JmesUnited: I'm exaggerating a little but he'd probably cost a lot given he was basically the best player in the world for 2 consecutive seasons.
I'd say now he's at his peak.

But I don't see his physical decline happening anytime soon tbh
Gary Neville apparently talked about the possibility of Ronaldo coming back today during MNF and said it's as high as ever.
In the past few months, I've lost track of the amount of times Ronaldo has said nice things about us, and he even went to say that he'd like to return to United to retire one day.
He publicly expressed his discontent with Perez letting Di Maria, who he was close to, leave and he apparently said great things to Di Maria about United to make sure he comes here.

Di Maria went on to say that Ronaldo is the biggest reason why he stayed last season and was his closest friend in Madrid and (idk how reliable this part is) he doesn't know how much longer Ronaldo will stay there.
Ronaldo adores the club, there's absolutely no doubt about that.

Not once in his RM career did he get treated as well as he was here. He was truly treated like a King here.
I think there's a good chance of him joining us again. I don't know when, but I can see it happening.

Now, the question is would you want him? You don't turn a player like Ronaldo down. But he will likely cost a lot of money and will be in his 30's when he joins. His biggest asset is his pace and even though he's still in flawless shape, it will inevitably go down eventually. And he has been struggling with some injuries as well lately.
If he comes for 50m+ which he most likely will cost, would you guys take him or rather use the money to build our defense and midfield?

Given that we have Rooney, RvP, Falcao as strikers with Wilson getting up there as well, and Di Maria and Januzaj as wingers, him coming back would mean one of the youngsters like Adnan or Wilson getting benched more.
The last thing I want is to see another Pogba situation
+2
50 mil plus for an almost 30 year old ronaldo who has been struggling with a lot of injuries? that sounds extreme we sold him in his prime and when he was fully fit for 80
Well Badge I think you are wrong at the end there. With Ronaldo back we can play like this :P
------------LVG
-----------------------
-----------------------
-----------------------
-------Herrera - Blind
----Rooney - Mata - ADM
--Januzaj - Falcao - Ronaldo
---------Wilson - RVP
+2
Now in all seriousness, we have 6 slots in attack right now and 3 of those are what I see as undroppable: Rooney (captain), Herrera and ADM (no better options in midfield). One slot has to be given to someone more defensive like Blind or Carrick (or Strootman if he comes). SO that leaves 2 slots atm for: RVP, Falcao, Mata, Januzaj, Wilson.

Bringing Ronaldo back would instantly make him undroppable in the starting XI. Thus leaving one slot free for 5 top players. This will not only risk us lose Januzaj and Wilson but also one or two of Falcao, RVP and Mata, knowing that the latter 2 are the most likely to accept rotation or a reduced role in the current squad. Plus the impact that move will have on youth like Pereira or Lingard! Disastrous transfer if it happens imo as much as I loved Ronaldo.

It's better for us to keep great memory of him rather than have him back out of greed and blame him for the knock on effects later. That would be sad.
i do think it's genuine. surely he cannot be angling for a new deal now after being quiet all summer, i think he's unhappy with real madrid's transfer business and may feel utd is building something special and may want to join. optimistic, yeah, but it's possible.

Lol i saw an interview of adnan today after his hattrick, you could more or less see how anxious he is to impress the manager and get games. really stinks that we are out of COC on top of CL. he needs games now more than ever and playing in reserves wont help him improve.

i would love ronaldo back like any other sane fan but only at a certain price (his fee and wages would be insane), and we would inevitably have to nix one striker to make room.
+1
@drde159 are you putting van gaal in goal? im not sure if he is quick enough
+1
@james Because he has the death stare man :D
If he came back hed probably convert to a striker i bet. He is brilliant in the box and reads the offensive game incredibly well. Also ronaldo changes season to season. He will trade part of his endurance for straight sprint speed i bet. To compensate for not being able to sprint as much, he will be crazy in bursts.

But who knows what will actaully happen
So skysports news joining in the rumours of Ronaldo coming back. The same reporter who broke out the di Maria and Falcao story is saying he's fed up with Madrid.
It would be good to have him back because he's the best player in the world but bringing him back will hinder the progress of Januzaj who's struggling to get in our team this season.
We all know what happened the last time we tried bringing back a club legend it came with a heavy price of losing a talented prospect.
Lol what a strike from ener valencia...antonio's cousin.
I don't think that they are related.
no relation
really? that's all i was hearing during the world cup. cant even trust ABC/ESPN apparently.
adnan shaw and anderson are going to be playing for the u21s shortly. not sure about wilson and perriera, i think i read somewhere that wilson was hurt and that why he wasnt on the bench or something?
adnan has a brace at halftime, perriera scored one as well. utd 3-0 up.
Adnan with two goals in the first half.
Januzaj hat-trick.
Never mind.
hat trick for our boy adnan. LVG watching from the stands.
@nic so how was janko tonight? he was RB no? I missed the game.
With the formations we played so far I don't see him getting much game time I hope it's not the case though
Yeah mate. He played RB. I tuned in a little late myself. But he had a really solid game.
glad to hear :) hope the mk dons game was just him being nervous
@Drde159
You can catch the repeat telecast on MUTV. Going to start soon.
oh thx for the heads up mate
@cjay adnan can play on the wing, at cam and up front so that's enough versatility to get into any formation imo. it's just a question of when LVG will see fit to play him
Janko didn't do much wrong against mk dons. It was the guys in the middle that f****d up.
well tbf his crossing that day was pretty poor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE6Zoo6XksY

his goals
Blind's debut against QPR, assess...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PMOuT05Yi4


a lot of ppl said he played well, very neat.. i agree...

but honestly he didnt have to deal with any pressure at all against QPR... would want to see how he fare against the likes of aguero, yaya or hazard...
+1
I want to see too 0_0
With the same team, I reckon we'd cope well with pressure. Mainly because we would be able exploit the space left in behind with the players we have and have more chances to score. Getting Carrick and Jones back to fitness would help. Herrera, Blind, Carrick, Jones, Rafael, Rojo, Shaw, even Blackett, are all good on the ball. Players like Smalling, Fletcher, Valencia, Young, Evans, Fellaini, Anderson would put us in some trouble. Just about keeping our best players fit imo and replacing the shitties.
+1
He's more like a Tempo dictator and cuts off the opposition's attack.

Exactly the type of midfielder we needed.

I wish he could add strength to his game as well.
@andi, you weren't calling them shitties a couple seasons ago. Just saying, even if they are not good enough they are still your players, no need to bash them like that lol.
spot on theater...I saw full game and he looked good on the ball. But true colors will be out against big teams
honestly, no pressure on him whatsoever.

good performance nonetheless.
He was playing the busquets carrick arteta etc role: Shield defense, recycle possession, link defense to attack.
lmfao i was a bit harsh. I respect them but sometimes when you see your players not up to standard you just have to say, youre not good enough, you need to be replaced. Some of the 'shitties' i mentioned can still prove themselves, no doubt, some have nohope imo though. People in here know who im talking about.
+1
Good to see Blind get the recognition he deserves. Easily MotM for me.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/sep/15/manchester-united-daley-blind-qpr

Amazing how, when he was linked with us in the early summer, people on here said he wasn't good enough. Indeed, it was only QPR, but that was a stunning performance on Sunday. After the match he had supporters purring, even though it was really Di Maria's and Falcao's big day.

Looking forward to watching the Blind - Herrera partnership develop.

+1
I think at the time people were entitled to have doubts, especially since he came out and admitted himself he might not be suited to the physicality of the EPL.
But I am glad that he had showed us what he can do. Now onto bigger tests.


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