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https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/23/paul-pogba-tells-man-utd-wants-re-join-juventus-play-cristiano-ronaldo-7749886/

Pogba wants to leave according to Raiola. Not sure if rumours or real
Even Marca reporting this
I can't help but think he was watching United preseason games and thinking that this is a sinking ship...
Where on Earth would juve be getting the money to buy pogba back after spending 105 on ronaldo

i don't think the club would be willing to let this happen, but after the city rumors were proven to be true, i cant say i trust pogba or railoa here.

either way, we wont sell pogba this summer. martial? remains to be seen. kind of annoying this sanchez transfer has backfired big time because of how we have handled it.
marca is a s**t paper, they have no authority on a barca transfer or juventus transfer, it's real madrid's paper basically. di marzio would be the one to break any real news.
Honestly is Mourinho going into another season with the back four of Valencia,Jones,Smalling,Young again ?

This is complete bullshit. We can't stick with this again. I can accept Valencia as captain but we need a quality RB. I don't know about Shaw if he will be able to play a whole season. For the moment Bailly is the only top defender we have.

If we could get Sandro or Mcguire i would be more than happy.
Apparently Leicester city are asking 65m for Maguire..isn't that crazy.
No one knows whats a fair price anymore. English player + WC experience, thats a premium mark up right there
Macguire is good, but not Rio ferdy good which made sense to break the transfer record back in the day.
Imo best transfers these days will be low key ones which are result of good scouting
Maguire is actually good..IMO better than Stones. So he could actually be worth 65m
Can't complain much about today's game. Really impressed with Pereira in this role, and with Fosu-mensha. Now, I only want a new defender if one of the rojo/smalling is getting sold. I want Bale; I wouldn't mind sending Sanchez the other way for it. And as Mourinho wants, a back up for Lukaku. I wouldn't mind Giroud. This would do it for our transfer season.
Hopefully Pereira will get some minutes this season. He looks matured technically and mentally. 2 years loan at La Liga did him good.
boring game...
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im not one to run down the MLS.
These are supposed to be showcase games.
I know we dont have our wc players
But WTF anyway
Standard Mou game... parked the bus vs San Jose Earthquakes
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^ I hope you are joking. Lol
No he really did. There was a serious lack of attack. Man I wish Mourinho could just put out an attack formation and let the players do their thing. I think we need more quality for that though.
I watched the game.
as i always do before the new season starts. Where do you guys see Man United at the end of the season.

1. league champions
2. second
3. third
4. fourth.
5. fifth
6. six
7. Champions league run (how far)
8. league cup or FA cup
My prediction:
2nd in the league
Semi in the league cup
Final in the FA cup
In CL they will move on until they meet one of Bayern, Barca, real, athletico, juventus or psg.
Seems realistic. Gotta push harder in the league this season though, close the gap, and hopefully lift a trophy of some sort
I think we will do good in CL this year for some odd reason, dunno about winning EPL. Other cups not sure.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11445018/jurgen-klopp-defends-liverpool-spending-following-alisson-signing

Lol called it.

Also, I didn't remember he went as far as saying he would rather quit football than spend crazy amount on a player. Good one!
+8
Where is Woody?
Sleeping. With Buzz.
+3
does he do that in the xxx version?
Just a quick word, on who is calling Klopp a hypocrite for buying expensive players.

Well I am not gonna defend, frankly you have a point. But I guess we didn't just go and buy super established players and big names. Think of Robertson, Mane, Matip, Ox, Gini and even Salah..these were all cheap signings and were later developed. We paid over the odds only for VVD and Alisson.

Reason 1, we had money from player sales
Reason 2, the prices are jacked up in the last season or so by at least a factor of 2x or 3x.

Moreover there is an absolute dearth of complete CBs and good goalkeepers out there. So for a half decent CB/GK one would have to pay around 30/40M (because of reason 2 above) and if you have money (because of reason 1 above) then why'd you not splurge if it is chronic area that you want to address and the right player is available for 20/30M more.

Point being Klopp didn't always splurge, but he did where there was lack of options and other alternatives would also have costed a lot..so why not pay 20M more and get who you want (especially when you have the money from player sales)

If you want logic, there you have it. It you just want to name names because you hate LFC, it's your page, treat yourself :P
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OK
+18
what is with you guys and acknowledging somebody from your club has done or said something shitty? im getting suarez flashbacks. yes klopp was talking out of his ass and is a hypocrite for doing exactly what he criticized others for doing, end of discussion. why do you feel the need to perform these mental gymnastics to prove otherwise. it doesnt mean he is an evil human being or that he should be punished, it means he said something silly or maybe changed his mind, just move on.
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Lol the reasoning behind it is a joke. If United go and buy 100 million pound player then oh my God its Mou and he's just looking to spend but if Klopp does it then he's a genius? Wtf?

At the end of the day both clubs spent 100 mil. It's not United broke the record for Pogba just to break the record. He's a starter and United has been lacking a dominant midfielder like him. Just like how VVD was needed at Liverpool
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Can't edit for some reason but just wanted to say that this reminds me of us Barca fans. For years we were complaining about Madrid spending millions until we started doing it ourselves then everything was fine lol
+8
More excuses. I really dont understand why you have to make excuses for Liverpool spending money. Isnt that what you fans wanted? Klopp was hypocritical, just accept it and move one.
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These reasons are true for all clubs including Man United who get crucified for spending big every year. Difference is our manager doesn't criticize this strategy.
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TIL: It's bad for United to spend a lot on players but it is good for Liverpool to do the same and totally isn't hypocritical because reasons.

Stop the hand waving.
+3
Im a changed fan now

First I was in denial, but now I am all about the 150 net spend lyfstyle
+2
Join us on papa Klopp's wild ride xD
+1
If Klopp tells his fans to eat their own s**t, they will praise Klopp and actually do it and then justify that it tastes so damn good.
+5
Wot lol

I know I posted about Klopp yestaday on here and it spiraled into a long ass essay from me and a few other liverpool fans, but I just wanted to say on the flip side of my argument I do believe that united have earned the right to spend the amount they have in recent years becouse of the brand success. It took liverpool over a decade, new owners and a decent manager to get us back to competing in Europe. Maybe we will never be able to compete financially as united is the most followed club in the world easily.
Look, this is only an issue to Liverpool fans now because you've broken the world record for GK and CB and thus Klopp's comments about United's (and others') spending have been exposed as hypocritical.

Allisson could cost about as much as Pogba (!), a signing that has been wrongfully lambasted left, right, and center. So I guess I should be thanking you for making that look like a complete steal in retrospect.

Now you're in panic/justification mode when in reality you should be *celebrating* good signings (that have actually improved your squad by measures, for once) instead of, I repeat, trying to cling to some sort of odd moral transfer high ground that never really existed in the first place.
+8
Manchester United FC recognises your emo saltiness and authorises your public crying shameful display of pointlessness.

NEXT !
+1
while we're at it, Arsenal were widely ridiculed for being Net Spend FC for the past decade, but now its some sort of badge of honour!?

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Whats the idea behind this post?

Klopp talked out of his ass, period.
+2
Haha just pure entertainment this thread, saltiness in every comment. Get in Klopp, splash another 60M on Nabi :D
I'm sure United fans never defend Mou when he says or does something stupid...
Just FYI, our first Preseason game is today.
+2
That new kit. We'll see how it looks on tv
Kit looks decent. Pereira looking focused. Demi Mitchell is very impressive.
Chong looked good.
+1
aye ^ was impressed by his desire to be direct and creative
Andreas Perreira looked like the most technically gifted player on that pitch. He was our best player imo . I hope he get opportunities in the midfield 3 this season.
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Anyone remember when klopp said he would never spend big money on transfers when we got pogba?

After we broke the world record by buying pogba (record has since been smashed by coutinho, dembele, mbappe and neymar transfers), he's now gone and paid 75 million for the most expensive defender (VVD) and 67 million for the world's most expensive goalkeeper (former record was 35 million for Ederson).

Lol hypocrite. But I'm sure he'll come up with some excuse why it's ok for his club to spend and not others. He will have spent over 500M at Liverpool in the transfer market once Allison deal goes through, so now the pressure is on him to win i'd say.
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Is it really wise to call other managers hypocrites when your manager is Mou lol

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I remember the Liverpool fans in Footytube saying that he wont spend crazy money like Pep or Jose. That is not his style.

Right, so because Mou is a hypocrite we should just shut up about Klopp doing the same thing? Naa. That is not how it works.
+11
It's different the way we do it, we don't just go out and buy the top names. Klopp looks for players that fit into our system, unlike Mou who I feel has the need to buy for the sake of filling holes with square pegs. You may say it's bias but it's evident with how he hangs players out when they don't have a good run, and the way he just dispenses them like they nothing like mhikitarian. Our team has a identity in how we play, Mourinho has not got it right yet with his big signing of pogba, I read on here always that people not happy with pogba.. And his meant to be your world record signing when on the flip side you don't see any liverpool fans complaining about can dijk becouse he has transformed our defence.

Van dijk and alisson are both very un liverpool like signings, but we turning a chapter now from what we used to do before. Don't expect all our signings to be world record signings. We will make plenty of signings like karius (4mill), Robertson (8mill) etc
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see, this is what i mean. it's ok for you, not us, for xyz reason. all i hear are excuses.

the fact of the matter is, you guys are no different, you spend big when the deal presents itself, like any other top club. at least now maybe we'll hear some less moaning about other teams ruining the market.
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Its like the first window where we ain't lost a big player you know 🙄
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No it's not. Liverpool is spending s**t ton of money on players just like us. I don't know why ur trying to Justify it. Just enjoy it.
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yaldho why don't you go with your usual comeback..


IMAGE RIGHTS !!!
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Image Rights guy is back!
+9
Ankitarora- chill lmao
if you have the money, there's nothing wrong in spending it. it sucks getting fleeced in the market, but thats how things are now. it'll only get worse as clubs get richer.
Wolves are spending 16m on one player. A decade back you would be off your rocker to even suggest that. Lol
Klopp = Saint
Mou = Evil
+1
@Shiwa agreed! ;P
+5
Sergio, to open with "It's different the way we do it" really just proves his point. Yeah, sure it's *different* that you're smashing 70m on a keeper, on the tails of breaking the CB record.

Also, the Pogba signing was spot on, United has been very much a star-driven club, and to a degree we need players who can handle that weight. To a debatable degree it hasn't hit its heights when you consider how high the ceiling is, but he's helped us get 2 trophies, filled a midfield need we'd had since Scholes, and fixed the biggest transfer mistake this club has ever made. People on here complain because they're complainers (one of the worst things about our fan base I reckon), not because Pogba hasn't done well for us. That's a fun narrative that everyone likes to spin whereas the numbers don't back it up. Meanwhile, what are Klopp's results with "identity" signings? Improvement for sure but not the trophies yet to back it up.

Klopp, apart from being hypocritical himself at times, benefits extraordinarily from his good guy/good football image in the media. Screaming in the fourth official's face = "just passion"? Come on, you-know-who would be vilified for that. I personally find his sideline antics and his whining about other teams annoying, but to each their own, I don't expect Liverpool fans to feel the same way.

All that said, this is the bottom line: I also subscribe to the "if you make money, spend it" idea. When have clubs like Bayern, Barca, Madrid ever been shy about throwing around money? I think Liverpool's transfer activity this window has put them above us as 2nd favorites, behind City, and I do think you have a more coherent strategy than we do. You have to spend to win in the modern game, that's just how it is, so spend. Just quit act like you're taking some weird moral high ground by *not* spending, when in reality you are. It's like that City fan trying to act like City would never spend more than 50m on a player, when they clearly would.

#image #rights
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The fact of the matter is that what Sergio said is 100% right. Klopp picks players that fit his system even though they may not be household names. Sometimes even such players go for ridiculous prices.

Mourinho (& Pep) only pick the best of the best. Players that are already world beaters and well known. Klopp builds the players that Mou and Pep end up purchasing :-)
+4
And that is exactly why Mou and Pep already have trophies in England and Klopp dosent. They are finally buying great players. Lets see if they win trophies.
+1
@Joeymac Has mourinho perhaps tried not being an asshole? getting a good guy image is not that hard.

Pretty sure you didnt like him when he was at chelsea
+1
Well I am not gonna defend, frankly you have a point. But I guess we didn't just go and buy super established players and big names. Think of Robertson, Mane, Matip, Ox, Gini and even Salah..these were all cheap signings and were later developed. We paid over the odds only for VVD and Alisson.

Reason 1, we had money from player sales
Reason 2, the prices are jacked up in the last season or so by at least a factor of 2x or 3x.

Moreover there is an absolute dearth of complete CBs and good goalkeepers out there. So for a half decent CB/GK one would have to pay around 30/40M (because of reason 2 above) and if you have money (because of reason 1 above) then why'd you not splurge if it is chronic area that you want to address and the right player is available for 20/30M more.

Point being Klopp didn't always splurge, but he did where there was lack of options and other alternatives would also have costed a lot..so why not pay 20M more and get who you want (especially when you have the money from player sales)

If you want logic, there you have it. It you just want to name names because you hate LFC, it's your page, treat yourself :P
I'm reposting this as a new topic above :)
what do you fanbois want... a blessing from man utd fans?
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@ W0lf

Didn't necessarily like him at Chelsea, but I certainly did not hate him as most did, and I always considered what everyone else termed "mind games" as attempts to shield his players. Respected his ability despite (and because of) the success.

When Jose is cordial with the media, the officials, etc., it doesn't get traction. And that's partly his fault. He's often a sour man, I can't change his temperament and nor will I deny it. But unlike others I will call a spade a spade even in my own backyard, and yours too.


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