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In other news, our brand-new women's team won their first match 0-1 vs Liverpool.
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Good job! First ever game, already better than Liverpool.

U18 beaten Liverpool too with a crazy red card in the process.

Everyone won apart from first team 😭
So we have a team who does not play to their full potential,

a manager who does not get what he wants,

a board who thinks that the manager has everything he needs to succeed

Conclusion: Seems like we have everything in place for a "difficult" season.
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A manager who does not get what he wants...

He wants to play defensive, tepid and deplorable brand of football which supposedly produces results, but fails every time.

Maybe he is just a spent force who doesn't realize football has evolved and now stifles United's attacking talent with his outdated ideologies and needs to go.

Otherwise this will be another very long, ugly season and the thought of that is difficult to stomach.
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Well I am just a football fan, but if not mistaken, if you want to play good defensive football you have to get good defensive players.

So I am not sure how do i judge someone like Mou if he does not get what he wants.
^Back him or sack him. Pretty simple. If Woodward wants to decide who we buy, they should sack Jose. It will never work out. I hope Jose can guide us to top 4 finish and then he leaves. Maybe then Woody can get a puppet in as a manager who will do exactly what the board wants. Our aim has to be top 4 from now on.

He doesn't get what he wants? In terms of defenders he bought Baily, Lindelof and Dalot for nearly 100 million, plus another 60 million for a goal-shy Fred...

What's the excuse now? How many flops does he need to buy and how many 'oops' purchases will be tolerated..

To me it sounds like he can't be trusted to spend money properly anymore
This fool has gotten every player he wants/needs. He's confused as he is getting attacking players when he want to play defensive football. I too agree his time has gone. He got Pogba, an offensive player and wants to turn him into Yaya Toure (a defensive midfielder). He is trying the Chelsea formula of out bullying teams with speed and strength but this is not rugby. He already had an excuse before the season started saying they didn't spend as much as their rivals. With him it's all spend spend spend. What is odd is that as mediocre as most of the United players are, I feel a coach from a worse team could make this team perform like a bonafied top 4 team instead of a team with big names playing Championship football. Even the lower level teams can keep possession and build up a decent attack. United seem to ALWAYS lose the ball and make terrible decisions when attacking like they have no freaking clue how to go about putting the ball in the back of the net.
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Or we could spend money on players like Di Maria, Fellaini, Mata, Falcao, Morgan Schneiderlin, Darmian, Blind, Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Herrera, Young, Schweistiger, Rojo, Valdes, Depay, Romero. Sorry, i prefer the Mourinho signings to what we got before that.
Is it consensus among unit d fans that Pogba is a leader? Havnt sen any evidence of leadership. Just seems like a give the arm band to the best player kind of thing.
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Mou probably gave him the cap band just to make him stay. The whole United squad has been lacking a leader for sometime now.

he lacks maturity on the pitch ytd and was out of depth. instead of being the one to fire his team mates and get them across the line all we saw was a bunch of frustrated tauntrum fits at the ref. lol. Hope he grows out of it.
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Ffs it's temporary, he is not club captain.

He is a leader, we all know what he did for France this world cup. What he is not yet is super consistent for us.

He was given the armband because he is leading by example, putting his body on the line for the team.

Also, not including ddg, who isn't really vocal anyways, pogba is the most experienced starter out there. He is played in CL final, WC final, Europa Fina, fa cup final, Capitol one cup final, and won many league titles in italy. He has winning experience despite his age, not many in our squad can say that.
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Captain should be 1st or 2nd name on the sheet...Im sure its De Gea and Pogba for united right now. So it make sense to make him captain.
Or Lukaku.
I think pogba can lead through his play like with France I do not think he is a leader of men. He and neymar are similar in this way, although pogba doesn’t dive like him.
No. Pogba is a leader. He has always been. Even since his academy days. You just have to look at how the French players/United players talk about him.
Pogba is not a leader. He get's along well with everyone but he is a kid. Taking tantrums when calls don't go his way. That doesn't sound like a leader to me. Give the armband to De Gea and the iPhone to Pogs. Pogs only has the armband because Valencia is injured and it strokes his fragile ego and he is the best player. As garbage as Lukaku is he is a better leader than Pogba. Lingard too. The players who give their all not prance around like a training session.
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@yaldho they may speak highly of him but it certainly doesn’t show on the pitch
There is no player authority at united right now and pogbas effort to lead so far has been unnoticeable. Also not sure how you can say he’s always been a leader? Didn’t at Juve nor did he have to, leading at Youth level is irrelevant.
So when do we get Zidane ?
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The best christmass gift possibly? :)
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By end of year
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By end of the week
Honest assessment after seeing the game - the midfield was complete dust.

I like Andreas, but he is not a CDM and can't ping passes like a distributor (yet) nor can he be a destroyer. The last distributor United had in recent times, was Blind. The midfield was mediocre at best. When Fred started as the CDM in the second half, it was clear that he is not going to be that distributor, either. People speak about 4 new signings - I think you need that CDM as well. People keep on slating the CBs but the midfield was like jelly as well.

Most telling aspect was the pressing. There was absolutely none.

Pogba should not be captain. He is nowhere ready yet. Mou is playing some silly mind games to keep him in the team? I would make Lingard captain right now - the boy has some heart. Or DDG. Bailly can get there in a couple years.

The right flank was absolute madness. Mata & Young. Completely destroyed. Lingard has to start over Mata, 36 out of 36 times in the next league games.

I'd love to sing #CityWinUnitedLose but it's not even fun anymore. This team needs a change of coach and setup. A real right back, real right winger, a leader of a center back and a CDM/distributor is needed.
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We have Matic, one of the best CDM in the world. We are set for that position for at least few years.

Pogba was captain for a game or two last season. Valencia is our captain. I prefer if Lukaku was made captain in his absence but Pogba is a leader, so cant really argue with that choice.

We have no right wing. Its been years since we attacked through our right. Probably when Valencia was young and winger.

You should know that sacking manager and replacing them wont solve any problems. We have done that 2 times and it hasnt helped. Even if we sack a manager, what makes you think our board will hire another good manager. We did hire LVG and Moyes before. We need serious investment in the squad.

We cant compete with City with players like Valencia, Young, Shaw, Lindelof, Mata, Lingard as starting 11 players. Would any of these players start for City?


-------Lukaku
Sanchez-----Sterling
---Pogba---Fred
-------Matic
Mendy-Kompany-Bailey--Walker
---------De gea

Now this would be a solid team. That is 200 mil worth of City players that we will need to buy. I have no idea how we only bought a CM in the summer. That was madness and this was inevitable.
The problem hasn't been changing of several managers - but the fact that all of them have been defensive minded, consistently.

Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Lukaku, Pogba - there is plenty of attacking talent. Not the right kind of coach to take these guys to their potential. I agree Mou is a serial winner, but nothing lasts forever. Right now he is a cup specialist at best (which has been his greatest strength from the beginning).

Btw - Martial is way better than he is given credit - I would even replace him in the Sterling or Sanchez position above. Lately though when he comes out to play I am not sure what the instructions are. Mou even said he had to play him because Sanchez was not available. What message is that supposed to convey? Complete dick move from Mou.

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^Exactly Tomikato. Bashing players left and right, demoralizing all the young players on tour so that they forever see themselves as failures, punish Martial for his parental leave then tell him that you are playing only because Sanchez is unavailable, asking fans to not have high expectations, prepare team to play a midtable style hoofball football, how is that going to lift the spirit??? How do you expect the players to come out and play with confidence?? Are you mad blud??

As a result, a lackluster soulless performance. Sure board is acting like a dick, but some people still don't want to put a fault in Jose.
Sterling over Martial seriously? couple seasons back Sterling was a joke and Martial was next big thing with so much promise....No doubt if he moves elsewhere you will regret the mistake.

If Sterling evolution and Martial decline doesn't teach you who the real problem is who is responsibility for improving players. Nothing will.

Board signed Matic from rivals , Alexis from rival , Lukaku , Pogba from club like Juve....How do you still expect them to see negative approach which even fans are disapproving it? Remember Sevilla in CL last season and you dont need 50m full backs to beat Brighton really.

Lindelof was his own signing and now he is not good enough? come-on Yaldho you have got to accept the real issues as well.
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I have been pointing to the right wing problem for a few years now but most people tend to overlook that, not sure why.
There is no concept of pressing in Mou's squad.
Also, I watched Mou's interview before the game and was shaking my head when he made that comment about he had to start Martial because Sanchez was unavailable. If he is doing that on the camera I couldn't imagine what he says on daily basis to these guys. Way too negative, not going to get the best out of players like that.
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How is that a dick move? Didnt Pep say Folden will play more because Silva is getting older? Is that a dick move? Sanchez is a better player than Martial. That is not even a debate and Martial is not good on the right hand side.

LVG is not a defensive coach. If anything he is too attacking. He is obsessed with Possession like Pep. And LVG is the reason we brought in so many bad players.

Jose is not doing a good job but saying that getting another attaking coach is going to solve a problem of under investment since Gazers took over is not reasonable.

Here is the summary of what Jose had to do at United. He had to get rid of the whole team and buy a whole new team. THE WHOLE team except De Gea. He did a good job for 2 seasons but this season he wont because the board did not back the manager. Isnt that a dick move?

If the board dont like him he should be sacked. Plain and simple. I dont care who we hire. We are not going to better than 2nd for the next couple of years unless we improve the first team. City have the best squad in the league and the best manager in the league and what was our reaction? We brought in a CM for 50 mil. Clear sign of what this club has turned into. We dont want to win the title.

You said it. The club brought in Moyes and Mou. Defensive managers. As a fan how stupid would i be to sit here and say we should sack a manager like Jose and just hope we get someone better when i have Zero belief in the board? This is not City Tomi. We are not run by people who understand football or what Fans want.

So summarizing i really fail to see how you can say, sack Jose (The best manager available i think) so that board can make another gamble. I am sorry, i dont see any sense in it other than it will give us false hope of a better tomorrow.
Jose is innocent.It is all board's and Glazer's fault who never back Mourinho and only spent 700 + million in last 5 years since Fergies's departure and have given some loose change of only 400+ million to Jose. How do you expect Jose to play better than Brighton when he is only given 400 + million to spend?? Board bought him Lindelof and Bailly even though he wanted some other defenders.Brighton the mighty team had a team of superstars, what can poor Jose do with such poor players like Martial, Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Mata, Lingard. It is physically impossible.

Jose always the scapegoat. Poor guy.
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@Bazing, you have no idea of what you are talking about. I put Sterling on the RIGHT WING. NOT WHERE MARTIAL PLAYS! So please spare me that.

I agree 100% about the 3rd paragraph. We did not loose today because of bad investments. Jose is at fault.

Lindelof was what 28 mil? We need 60-80 mil CBs. World class CBs. Not players that can turn into one in the future. We need would class full backs, not 33 year old Valencia or Young. We have not made a big signing in defense and i think its because they are not marketable.

So i am going to say this one last time so that it makes you happy. I wont complain if Jose gets sacked but that wont solve our problem. So i hope we can move on from debating the fact that Jose is a problem. You dont have to point that out at every opportunity. I get it and i agree with you but i have bigger fears for this club than Jose Mourinho. Jose will go in a season or two, i will still have to support this club and as a fan i like to look at the big picture.
Its really surprizing how some United fans are still blinded by Mourinho and his lies. Everything aside, he is just a very negative person who likes to keep the spotlight on himself by literally throwing his own players under the bus when needed and constantly sobs for no good reason. Players and the board have lost their trust in him and rightly so. I cannot understand why he cannot do better than this with these players. Its a very good squad overall, not yet at City's level agreed but good enough to play better football than what they did last night. Any other manager would have owned up BUT for the mighty Mourinho with his ego.

@Yaldho - I keep hearing you say "sacking the manager is not an option" IT IS THE ONLY OPTION - the problem is that you have had one defensive/traditional styled manager after another. Sack this idiot, get a manager who plays modern football and you will se the current bunch of players do wonders
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Everyone wants us to turn on Mou, it's the easiest thing to do. Sack the manager, start all over again.

Who do we bring in btw? How will things change?

We have been saying the same damn thing for years, where we need a massive overhaul is at fullback, RM, and probably a senior and consistent CB to guide our young guys.

Lindelof and bailly are very talented, but young. They will have games of inconsistency, dont forget how YOUNG they are, we still need some experience at the back, I just didn't want us to be fleeced for godin like the papers were suggesting.

This game means nothing, we were unprepared for the start of the season. Simple as that. Spurs will also be a difficult game for us. But our boys have to push through. Hopefully OT can lend them a hand.

My one complaint is if you are a star and you see we fell short by 19 points last season, it has to be demoralizing to only bring in Fred. It's like a wasted season, surely you can't expect the squad to compete for the title? And yet that's what they must do, it's a bit of a slap to the face when you join a project expecting to compete but we don't spend like we want to compete when there are clearly gaps and areas for improvement.
Yaldho already answered some of these remarks but our squad is as is due to injuries and the world cup.

Lingard is a starter, rm. Valencia is a starter, rb. We have darmian and dalot(injured) and young for backup. Matic is a starter,cdm. Sanchez is a starter,lm. Their replacements were poor today.
Yaldho - Fair enough argument...your backing club and the manager you have right now and that is the right thing to do. cheers

What has Alexis done to displace Martial honestly? He looks like a completely different player from Arsenal days. Just like Mihky did before swap deal.

Not fair to blame Martial for not taking chance...watch Scholes interview yesterday for better insights from United legend who know what it is all about

SIF - Actually every team was unprepared for the season and everyone had players returning from world-cup and injury issues. Yeah Spurs game will be real test.
It just easy to say sack the manager. It makes the fans be happy of better days in the future. We predicted a top 4 fight this season and that is what is going to happen.

@Bazinga. What has Mkhi done after the swap deal? Sanchez will come good. He was brilliant in preseason. There is one thing that Sanchez offers above Martial every single game without a break. That is total commitment.

Who knows why Jose starts Sanchez over Martial. Maybe he hates Martial. That is a managers choice. I dont care who starts for us. I just want to see a team out there good enough to win the title and the champions league. And we dont have that after pending 700 mil since SAF retired and that is 100% the boards fault. The board hired Mourinho. Not me.

I am going to ask this again, if a you think Mourinho is a bad fit for this club and yet this board hired him , how in the right mind would you want the broad to hire another manager? They keep making bad decisions, after bad decisions after bad decisions. Is the hope that they will just get lucky and hire someone that will work out?
No not every team was as unprepared, the toughest thing is playing against middle and bottom tier sides that had longer preseason and virtually no one at the world cup, at this early stage of the season
Yaldho - Yes completely agree that Board mistake is to sign him in the 1st place knowing his history as a manager. Also, surprised they gave contract extension not long ago.
That is where i disagree. We should have brought him in when SAF retired. If Jose gets sacked today, i will look at his tenure as progress. Not success but progress. It is far from the failure that was Moyes and LVG.
@SIF: Not true that everyone wants you to turn on Mourinho for the bad of the club. I've relished seeing Mou falter for a long time because he's a first class prick who spoiled the sport I love for years while being successful, but the past 5 years he's been wildly unsuccessful compared to his former glory years.

I've had my share of laughs and Schadenfreude with him, but I respect Manchester United too much as a club to continue seeing them be the next victim of his rampant egotistic behaviour. I want to see him fired so you guys can start anew with a positive mindset and make the Manchester rivalry exciting again. Right now United is just pathetic for the great club it is and it's gradually getting worse.

The talent is there, but when the boss basically says half of the players he's working with are losers and he's doing a tremendous job while it's clear to all he's not, then there is no hope for him left.
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Remember when Rooney said this club has no ambition anymore and the fans called him all sorts of names? Guess what? He was 100% correct.
The lack of ambition is evident right from the top i.e the owners, the board.. its lame to blame Mou for everything, blame his style but at the end of the day a manager is gonna do what he has done throughout his career.
When the board interferes in the squad selection and vetoes transfers claiming they are not better than the current players, you know the club is going down the drain hole.

Every man utd fans worst fear is upon us now. Since Fergie left we always knew the club was heading in the wrong path but somehow we had a hope that being the "biggest club in the world" will get us out of this quagmire.
This transfer window it has been revealed that the club exists only to make the owners rich. The fans and the performances do not matter at all. Shame, really...
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Pogba shown his true colours again.
Hope we can get a manager who will publicly shame these mercenaries and send them to the reserves squad.
Really hope he piss off to barca before the window closes. Perfect filth club baca for filth player. We are better off without scum like him in the squad.
No real man utd fan supports him after what him and his agent pulled this summer.

Inb4 new hairstyle
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He had a bad game. He looked really frustrated throughout. Can you point to a player who had a good game? We were not good enough as a unit and individually. What did he do this game that's caused you to lose your damn mind? Lol.

It's easy to forget he didn't have a pre-season, he had 3 weeks off from the world cup and played our first game, 80 minutes, with only a few days of training. Heroic effort, most of the world cup players didn't play more than 30 minutes. You can't expect perfection. He'd doing as much as we can ask for under the current circumstances.

Look at hazard, he's come off the bench for 30 minutes each for Chelsea, pogba has played 170 minutes, you can't then blame him for not performing at his normal level.

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I know emotions are running high but let's calm down and think about things. He had a bad game.
How can you even compare him to Hazard who has been linked linked with RM for years, yet he keeps his head down and performs for the team.
Hazard is the epitome of professionalism. He hardly ever lets any thing distract from his performances on the pitch.

Pogba? One transfer bid from barca and the loses his mind, his agent catches a flight to sort out a deal, its all over every tabloid and makes the club look like a bloody joke. Did you already forget his ambiguous statements after the last game especially after he was made captain?

This is a snake that left the club for free because according to him Fergie didn't start a 19 year old over Paul Scholes. The club made a huge mistake in getting him back and now he is again trying to pull the same stunt.
Epitome of professionalism that left half way through a game to have a burger
^Don't lie. This was 6-7 years ago, Hazard was subbed off for no good reason by an inept coach, was upset and ate a burger before heading for the showers. Big deal.
https://i.imgur.com/USGHLLa.png
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At the end of the game Woodward had murder in his eyes.
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Yes, he should be looking at himself. He failed the manager and now this is the result. This was always going to happen. We have big holes in that team to fill to compete for the title. We need a new RB, LB, CB, RM. That is 4 spots to fill.

Long season ahead. Looks like we will be competing with you guys for top 4.
he and owners did a horrible job, not sure what he is unhappy about.
Yaldho how confident are you that united would be fighting for title with City and Pool this season if club had signed defenders you mentioned above?
If we bought a LB, CB, RB and a RM. A huge Yes.
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saved myself 2 hours skipping the game

man utd board : “ Godin is the same level as Jones and Smalling”. Lol
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Neither Jones or Smalling played today though tbf


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