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City fans missed the start of the game because of long queues outside. All this time I was thinking the stadium was not full because people were not attending. Silly me.

The bad traffic, queues and (delicious food) during the break really kills the attendance. Not to mention that folks leave early to beat the exit crowd when the game ends. We get a bad rap for nothing from the haters.
City fans have a mind of their own, they do not give a s**t about what other people think, lol! I guess you can't fault them because I go through the same thing when I go to Sounders games in downtown Seattle. The food lines are long as hell, our traffic is the worst in the entire nation and the exit are horrendous.
I see a lot of you here want pep to change the style to change the keeper the defence...The club brought him here because of the way he plays his teams if we wanted someone that plays more direct football there were plenty of other options guys...Pep will never change and he shouldnt change, thats his philosophy like it or not...Thats why the club is paying him so much because the club wants to play like barcelona...not gonna happen overnight but eventually will.

To those that keep blaming Bravo, none of the 4 goals we conceded were his fault even the commentator said it, Hart would have gotten scored on that many times as well.

Lets not forget Pep got a squad that BARELY finished 4th last year under Pellegrini
Agree about Pep will never change his style and he shouldn't because its his identity. But do you think he will manage to get the squad finish in top-4 this season? if not how big of issue it will be to sign targets for next season?

Yes non of the goals conceded were Bravo's fault...but a better GK would have stopped at-least stopped 2-3 of those goals.

Pep current has squad that finish 4th with Pellegrini + new players he signed in summer spending close 200m. Anyways its not all over yet....I think you guys can still turn it around and climb-up to challenge for the title. Red cards to key players dint help him either.
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This is the problem:

1) When we attack, it is 8 against 10. We score in 1 out of 4/5 chances

2) When we are attacked, it is 4 against 2. We get scored on in 2 out of 3 chances.

The issues are way more complicated than it looks. We are not scoring and we are getting royally stamped upon when the chance arises. I understand that Pep does not want to change but it is ultra naive to turn a blind eye to the nature of the game in England. If a team with City's quality is getting eaten alive then does not matter what Pep's philosophy is - the end product tells us that it is wrong.

What Pep needs to do is make subtle tweaks and mix up some good ol fashioned play into his overall philosophy. I am sure he is thinking of it as we speak. The Everton massacre comes at a good time and I am actually happy we scored 0 and got scored upon 4 times. Beautiful awakening guys.
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I thought we would be awake after the Leicester Vardy Party lol.
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@Bazinga i think he will finish top 4, we are only 3 points off 2nd place, i don't think its that big of a deal, because top 6 teams have to play each other and will drop points.

A better GK would have stopped 2 or 3 of those? i don't think so, we play with a high line, if you watch our games our centre backs spend a lot of time in the middle of the pitch, so our half of the field is always open, no one is there. Don't forget Andre Villas Boas did the exact same thing when he was at Chelsea and you guys used to get hammered as well but nobody blamed the GK because you guys didnt change the GK but the reason why Bravo is getting so much stick is because he replaced Hart. Ppl think Hart would have done better, key word "would have" maybe he would have done worse? maybe with Hart we would have been 7th or 8th and never won those first 10 games? who knows.

We spent less than United did in the market and United was always lower than us in the table, for some reason Pep is getting way more criticism than Mourinho is and you know why? Because Pep is better, he is the best, he's the type of coach that gets judged on the Champions league! that says a lot. Because normal League or Cups in the championships are thought as if he already has them in his pocket. When you are judged on the Champions League that shows you are the best.

@Tomikato Pep was specifically brought in because of the way his teams play. If he adds some "ol fashioned football" to his plan then the directors the owners will not be happy and neither will he be happy. He is being paid because of his philosophy thats what the club wants. They don't want him to make subtle tweaks...Keep in mind champions league Bayern Munich vs Real Madrid, he lost the first leg 1 - 0 and in the 2nd leg his players told him they wanted to play like Jump Heynckes and Pep said no problem and guess what happened? they lost 4 - 0 ... Pep openly said it in the press conference that the players chose how they wanted to play.

At the end of the day its 11 vs 11 irregardless if you play a high line or play more deep, its about being really good at what you are doing and Pep was brought in to play that high intensity game, he needs time to make ppl good at it. His Barcelona team beat Man utd in the champions league and other premier league teams like chelsea etc so his style will eventually work in the EPL as well. Pellegrini left him an ageing squad one that barely finished 4th last season, most of the signings he made Gondola, Sane etc were injured most of the time.
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@AgueroCity, Pep won't change his style but he has to understand that he has to make a few adjustments to the type of game he plays due to the circumstances in this team. He had an insanely talented team in Spain and in Germany, it was a one horse race the 3 years he was in the Bundesliga. In the England, he doesn't have that kind comfortable and the squad his working with isn't the type of squad that will allow him to play his style with consistency and a great end result. Their are number of holes that need to be fixed within the squad. Speaking of now, from the way we are playing, we will keep getting battered against good teams. Our main men in MF in Fernandinho and Gundogan are gone, Otamendi is having a horrible season so far and Bravo might be good on his feet but when it comes to 1v1 plays, he struggles to make a save.

All in all, we are behind Pep but watching your team getting hammered against good sides and the manager knows that his style is not helping the cause, its tough to watch.
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@AgueroCity - nobody plays a 'one size fits all' football. Even the mighty Pep has to adapt to his opponents (and to the City team's abilities)

What he did at Barcelona and Bayern is not only down to his methods but also to the players he had at his disposal. He needs to use the City players to their fullest and get the best out of them. While I agree he shouldn't be changing his philosophy - he should definitely look at what minor tweaks would work in the EPL.

For example, if City only plays on the ground and opponents will counter that with a long ball, get behind City defenders and score against the hapless Bravo. Obviously, it is never that simple but you get the point.

We have been found out. Even Everton battered us like we were Bolton Wanderers. I don't think this fits on any club's roadmap to greatness. We cannot have lower teams bully us like this. I knew it would get bad before it got better with Pep but this is a disaster and a collapse.
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One thing I miss is having players like Dzeko. I know at times he was hard to watch but it would be nice to have an ariel threat. Scoring a headed goal is rarity at City right now. Were so one dimensional, teams have figured that out. I wish Pep would bring in a big man that has a good first touch and can play with that ball. Something similar to how Arsenal has Giroud who can hold the ball up and bring in the MFs, something we could benefit from. I know Pep doesn't favor that but in the English game, a big CF can come in handy when teams are hard to break. Especially when you have someone like KDB who can whip in an insane pass out of nowhere.
When a world class manager gets soundly beaten, they should be expected to evolve. Like Tomikato says, nobody plays "one size fits all" football because it doesn't exist especially in the Premier League. Pep should be expected to evolve and that requires making changes. He loves to experiment and sometimes experiments backfire. If Pep doesn't realize this and continues to use the same tactics with the same players, he shouldn't expect positive results. He is masterful tactician with a great track record and it should be expected of him to figure out a way for his players to execute his philosophy without allowing goals to leak through their defense. Granted he has dealt with the injuries and the ridiculous loss of discipline by some of the players, but I don't even think that is an excuse. It's times like these when I expect someone like Pep to rise above it all and come up with something good.
And I will definitely not be defending him if he fails to bring some positive results to this club. Not necessarily silverware, but at least a strong sign that he has greatly improved this squad.
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Many of you keep blaming pep and Bravo. I think at the end of the day its 11 vs 11. Pep got an ageing squad from Pellegrini, 6 of the 11 players against Everton were over the age of 30! and the average age of the whole team was 29! Take out Stones and Sterling the average age goes above 33! This is a pretty old team. I think City is at the same stage as Chelsea were after they won the champions league they did a lot of trimming down, which is something this City team definitely needs.

With Pellegrini and Mancini we had 4 stickers Aguero Balotelli Dzeko Tevez...Pep only has 1 Aguero because Kelechi is obviously not in the same class even tho his scoring record is pretty good and Nolito is just that NILito.

@Moe66 Pep brought in a big CF like Lewandowski at Bayern why do you think he wouldnt do the same at City?
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Part of my disdain (spellcheck) for ManCity is the disrespectful way that Pelligrini was sent out. As if Pep is such a magnificent manager where you can just openly disrespect the man who has gained you multiple trophies. I don't like City for that, point blank. Its not about your owners being trilionaires, none of that. The way Pelligrini was treated told me enough.

I may be off but how hard can it be to manage a team like Barcelona or Bayern? Seriously... this guy has been sworn off as a world class manager without proving a fkng thing in my eyes and now he's feeling the pressure that REAL managers face who don't just walk into world class clubs. This is why I love Conte so much, because his all around presence is felt, on the pitch, after the game, and its sound, its real. He turned Juventus into a top club and now he's on the club I support and we're +7 ahead. This is not a dig towards any Man City fans, I'm just calling it how I see it.

I also think Yaya is fkng lazy. Thats all. All due respect. Thx
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@Abbabena how many trophies did Frank Rijkaard win with the exact same squad that Pep inherited from him??? infact Rijkaard had Ronaldinho in his primer at his disposal which Pep did not ... Pep completely changed the way barcelona was playing under Rijkaard. It was Pep who made Messi the best player in the world, something Messi admitted time and time again. It wasn't about him getting the best squad in the world he made that squad the best in the world. In Spain they play with the ball on the ground thats why his methods worked really well but in England the ball is more in the air than it is on the ground. At Bayern he won a lot of trophies despite Ribery and Robben being injured most of the time.

You are talking about the way Pellegrini was treated? should i remind how managers are treated at Chelsea when they don't perform?? Dude the whole firing managers started from Chelsea now everyone has inherited that tradition. It all started with your "trillionare owners". Your club had more managers in the past 10 years than any other top club in EPL. You have changed your manager 12 times in the last 10 years dude, where as we had 4 different managers in the last 10 years. So don't talk about how we treat our managers cos your club is the worst at it.

And as far as Conte goes? dude any club thats not playing in Europe will have the advantage. It is no coincidence that the top 2 clubs in the league are not in Europe. There is no way you will be +7 had you been in Europe.
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@AgueroCity, one request before we go on - be nice to guests on the forum. You have just arrived and I sense a bit of aggression here. Let's be friendly, shall we? I am referring to your reply to our pensioner friend. Aight :D

Pep definitely made the best team in the world at that time at Barcelona, but he also had the right players to go about doing that. You can't make a delicious cake without the right ingredients now, can we? That said, he does not have that luxury at City. If automatically all teams that he touched turned into world beaters then you would have seen City steamrolling everyone at this point. We are living proof that he cannot be living in a utopian world far away from the reality of the EPL.

You yourself say this "In Spain they play with the ball on the ground thats why his methods worked really well but in England the ball is more in the air than it is on the ground." Looks like you agree yourself that his methods are not working here. What is the solution to that? Keep making the same mistakes since he made the best team @ Barcelona or adapt?

We all recognize Pep to be a genius, but part of being that genius is being able to adapt to every situation and bringing the best out of your team. I am sure as hell hoping he shows us that side of his abilities in the coming months. Even if we have an old team we cannot be missing top 4. If that happens I'd place him lower than Pellegrini. That is saying a lot.
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Well said Tomi - I think pep needs to adapt and show that he can win and succeed under any situation...Fatigue because of CL , 1st season to adapt etc cannot be excuse to miss Top-4 for a squad like City and a manager Pep who is rated among Top-3 in the world.

Start of the season most Chelsea most expected us to finish out of top-4 or maybe just make top-4 this season. Infact after the Arsenal game 3-0 we gave up on CL spot as well. But how quickly Conte adapted to the players he had and changed things around in such a quick time.
I did post a slightly sarcastic comment down the pipes that my philosophy is don't change what works. I want City to play beautiful barcelonaesque style, but, the point many are trying to get across is a top manager knows how to compromise especially in his first season in a new club and league.
There was no reason whatsoever to replace Joe Hart and yes he would have saved a couple of those Everton goals. Bravo does not which is there for all to see.
Our defence was crap last season as well, so it was crucial not to make things worse
Fair to say that Pep should start Willy Caballero ahead of Bravo against Spurs. Bravo is just having a bad time and Willy was beast against Barca last time around. Hope he gets the start because his been good in recent games.
Pep stated a while ago that his happy with his current team. I wounder what his thinking right now?
No thinking, PL pressure has turned him mad.
I feel there is nothing in the interviews they give other than just to keep the media quiet, But Pep will get rid of some of the ageing team.

Every New Manager needs a season to get familiarize with the team, the system and in Pep's case he is totally new to PL.

Mancini I remember initially used to say building defense is the first priority than attacking, once he achieved that then he went of to win. Same I see in Conte.

Pellegrini benefitted from what Mancini built, but he didn't create anything other than got rid of Negredo, Jovetić, nastasic (unforgivable), so Pep is getting an aged Mancini team.

Need to give him time. Even though it is terrible to see us getting battered day after day.
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EPL Media is notorious for damaging manager's form, and for some reason Pep seems really intimidated with them. He tries to make a joke but it doesn't come off and ends up looking like he was trolling the reporter.
I can't help but think and English player and captain like Joe Hart would have been a great asset to have at this point of time. Even a player like Milner would have been a a valuable asset rn.
Like I said before, I think Pep will invest big on the back-line and DMs position but with contracts running out, its better to wait until the summer. So I think we have try to pull it together this season and hope for the best. I just hope we finish top 4.
What are the expectations you guys have for Pep this season?

Are you happy with him having so much control in the transfer market? Once he leaves, the next manager is going to have an incredibly hard time cleaning up his mess. Look at how he left Bayern, a clear regression from Jupp's team. Fortunately for them, he couldn't last for more than three seasons.

You guys played much better under the likes of Pellegrini and Mancini. Pep is only here for the cash considering he is already talking about retirement 21 games into the season.
He was at Bayern for 3 seasons not 2, but go on lol
To beat Arsenal...which he did :D this season is about building the youth system and rebuilding the first team.

And I'm guessing you're happy with getting 4th place every season aren't you @DTG. Worry about your own team and manager instead of bull shitting here.

Yes/no we've had ups and downs with all our managers.
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@Alexis, whoooooops, updated :P
A top four finish isn't out of reach for city and then followed by some wise spending in the summer time, pep should be set to go. Any successful system need players who fit the mold so adjusting to Pep's possession riddled, high line system is a hard task.

He's a smart guy and will come good eventually.
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@Zorsita Do you seriously think even after spending 150m city would have gone out of top 4 contention with still 17 games to go?? lol

Oh barca fans here too why am i not surprised lol
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Coming from a United fan who spent 89 mil on one player and are 2 points behind City lol

If they are out of top 4 contention then I don't know where United are lol. Not to mention United spent just as much as City and finished 2nd in Europa League.

But oh yea I forgot. If United finished all those chances and if they didn't concede all of those goals and if Pogba scored all of those goals then they would have been first in EPL and first in Europa and Pogba would be the best midfielder in the world.
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If Pep/Mou fail to get top 4 given the resources and experience they have, they deserve the sack. No excuses.
I disagree. Letting those managers spend so much money on players and then sacking them the year after is a terrible idea. At least give both of them 2 seasons.
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@Optajose the above question was about city's current expectations and considering the hard times his (Pep) team is going through, it's not far fetched to think they could indeed finish outside top 4. After all don't y'all have a top 6 or something????

Despite the spending this city side is thin in some vital areas and of the top 6 i believe city has the worst cb partnership, Gundogan can't stay fit and fernando or whatever his name is can't stay on the pitch without getting red carded. But i get you my friend, pep's presence and the money spent should at the very least guarantee a top four finish.
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@Zorsita I meant to say was that is not it obvious that city would atleast fight for top 4 with the talent they have and the huge amount of money they spent this summer?

AlexisSanchez, i never said city is out of contention for top 4 lol and why are you bring my club position into this? lol it has nothing to do with mourinho and 89m that we spent on pogba. Just because man united spent too much on a WC talent does not mean i am not allowed to talk about others.

My question if pep is so good why does he need like 300m( including money spent last summer) to build a top notch team esp when city already had 3 WC players before he joined them? Then fans are blamed for having high expectation from him. Fans have high expection from him because he has always joined a star studded team with the additional financial boost. This is why his time in bayern is not seen as a huge success. Dont even get me started on his decision of selling hart, playing high line and playing players at the wrong positions. So far he has not done anything close to being worthy of WC manager.
Okay but at the start of the season many tipped city to run away with the league but look at where they are now and if this trend continues a top four finish would be impossibly hard for em. So now Pep would at least change his objective to finishing in the top four not on challenging for the title.

Dunno if we are saying the same thing in a different way so hence the confusion.
@Zorsita IMO every team from 2nd position to 6th are playing for top 4. Although Pundits say all of them have title chance they say this for TRP and hype up league even more. The channel they work for ask them to say these things.
Totally agree and unless Conte inexplicably drops the ball only then will the title race be on.
Exactly! Dont forget spurs and liverpool still have to play each other.
Not that I'm complaining, but what was he thinking shipping Hart out? Showing who's the boss?
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Weren't thinking... Bravo is a trash goalkeeper, they would be better off with Mignolet.
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No, Bravo was class at Barca but his gotten so bad, I don't know what happened.
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bc in barca, he didn't have to do any goalkeeping. they have better defenders and have possession like 90% of the time
Barca definitely has a better defence, but Bravo wasn't counting strands of grass during matches. He made some quality saves because our defence was not always reliable. He saved us a few times and showed that he was much better than Valdes. Even for Chile, he played exceptionally. I don't know if he took a knock on the head or something, but he's playing like it's his first time in front of a goal. Hopefully he gets it together, but at this point, if I were Pep, I'd start playing Caballero more.
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God damn man, I come home from work and check football results. This one shocked the f**k out of me. What happened
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Probably the worst piece of business by Pep ship out Hart for joker Bravo..
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I don't think why he needed to send put Hart? Wouldn't it make more sense to have both of them compete for the spot?
To be honest no one could have known that Bravo would suddenly turn sh*t. He played well before the transfer. But Pep should have at least given Hart a chance though.
I think Hart left immediately when Pep revealed his plans for a new Gk
He is 29, been a long time at City #1 and also England #1, he wouldn't want to risk his career over doubts whether he would play for club or not
Smart by hart, not so much Pep
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SanchezAlexis not really. Pep had already started Caballero ahead of Joe

Pep followed his philosophy, now he has to take it on the chin.
Well, my philosophy is you don't change what already works fine.

It was also a sneaky piece of business. Hart didn't have the time to find a competitive club...one of our rivals for instance
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Selling Hart was one of those stupid moves that are club is prone to making. Over the years, we've seen dumb decisions take place. Just like when we sold Nastasic for no reason, or shipped out De Jong and Barry, for the likes of Javi Garcia. Due to the player turnover, Milner left because he didn't believe City would give him much now and near future. I believe he left because City didn't offer him a deal early but the rest of the big boys got new deals well before him. One of the reason why he left. I don't think he believe the club valued him.
Out with the old and in with the new...time to get rid of this aging squad and replace it with some youth from our system and a few more world class players. So many ups and downs this season, we need to play with heart and not greed.
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Did you just call Claudio Bravo 'greed'? :P
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@Jeroen more like piss poor. Nope I'm not one of those fans yelling "bring Hart back"...haha
Just realized we have Spurs next weekend:(
I think if City beats a team then they must be really poor play, Pep could never beat Pochettino.. so its another embarrassment..
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in epl u need to have offense and defense, city defense is way too weak imo. get hart back
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Hart is far more valuable to City's history than Guardiola could ever be.


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0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
23
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
24
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
25
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
26
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
27
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
28
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
29
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
30
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
31
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
32

UEFA Champions League Table

Form
PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
15
16
4
20
1
0
5
6
1
9
2
10
12
1
3
2
6
2
5
-7
12
5
3
2
1
6
3
3
-11
16
5
3
3
0
6
4

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