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Neymar just pulled a Salah like goal against Strasbourg
Yoooooo

Sadar azmoun has posted a pic of himself with Klopp titled ' the best'

I would love it if we buy him
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He said this last season

However, I did not feel the time to move was right.

"I would have ended up playing a few games and then spent a great deal of time on the bench as Liverpool were only looking to fill a void for a particular part of their season."

Maybe it's time?
Looks like we won't be after Allison, £62mil is the asking price.. And tbf we could do alot better with that amount of money.

Roma are joking if they think anyone will pay that much for him. His not no Jan Oblak, heck I would rather get Ralf Fahramnn from Schalke. Underrated goalkeeper, 29 years old but still a beast who's coming good in his prime years.

I don't think the team needs another young keeper, Karius will come good in the future, you just need an experienced goalkeeper.

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Exactly, they having a laugh. Allison ain't even tested, and at times has made mistakes similar to mignolet. I would stick to karius or go for a keeper that will actually make a differece
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They probably feel robbed with how much they sold Salah for and trying to make it up
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They shouldn't feel bad. They wouldn't have unraveled Cengiz Under had Salah been there.
In the daily fail, we're looking at wanyama too because of fkn course we are (so'ton). that might be the laziest bit of journalism i've seen in a while, but hey.
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I think it's fair to say we won't be buying any players that do one job, Klopp likes his midfielders to be good at everything (attacking and defending)
+2
Did anybody watch Naby Keita's performance for RB Leipzig last night? I didn't catch it was wondering if he played well? They beat Napoli 3-1 who are top of the Serie A at the San Paolo so I'm guessing he was a beast
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he always uses great creativity to lunch attack and runs alot
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Is he like Kante with an end product ?
he's not as defensive as kante, so i think we'll still need to address that position in the summer, esp. if can leaves.
+2
Ndidi would be great for that position
+2
He looks like a jack of all trades. He can play anywhere in MF but would be lethal in a CM role where he can do damage. As a DM last season he managed to score 8 goals. Says a whole lot about him.
firmino - kieta - VVD - Karius/Allison

Strong spine.
ndidi is worth a shout, he did pretty much sort out leicesters midfeild problem at the age of 19. keita would be waasted in dm to get the most from him it would suit him best in the box to box role
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The performance was ok.
Most goals scored by a team in UCL
Player with most assists in UCL
Joint top Clean Sheet in UCL

#UCLisLiverpool
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Mancity is unbeaten until they met us
Porto is unbeaten in their league

we love beating these type of teams..

what worries me is next we met West Ham :(
+7
4 of the top 10 goal scorers in UCL are liverpool players too [if you include coutinho's liverpool goals]
firmino 8
salah 7
mané 6
couts 5
So I saw Roy Keanes comments on Liverpool and Spurs and while they're clearly influenced by saltyness I was wondering if after next season, if Liverpool haven't won any trophy do you fire Klopp?
Lol
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theres no malice in this question. I just wanna know at what point its not enough to play really well without silverware.
+1
Last month some Liverpool fans were calling for Klopp's head on this forum.
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We been without regular champions league football in donkey years, sacking Klopp would ruin all the great work done. Owners are loving what we have become, steadily but surely we will be on par with the top teams in the world. I can say the same for spurs who are doing a amazing job. There's a reason why Klopp came to us and not to a city or united. Its about building the club for success for years to come, not a short term fix or constant need for change. Klopp is here to establish us as the best team in the world, but it won't happen over night

As for trophies, that is a bonus if we can achieve any this season. Next season there should be more priority in winning silverware. I still look at this side as a side in development, but I'm loving what I'm seeing so far
+3
No chance, he stays. Fantastic manager and we haven't had one since Rafa. We want to win things for sure, but with klopp its only matter of time and patience, once we come of age we are guaranteed to win things.
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Sergio thats my point. This year i wouldnt expect anything but surely the next two seasons the bare minimum would be to win a trophy or more. If that doesnt happen in 2 seasons after this what do you think should be done?
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Really depends what the ownership expects of him.
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We need to acknowledge the fact, firing Klopp will only increase our worries at any stage. Going for silverware in next season should be priority. However if we play consistent cl football and Klopp makes further improvements on current squad than I suppose fans and owners both will be happy with him.
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Theres a risk of becoming like arsenal though isnt there? I feel like for a top 6 club a coach if they cant win tophies in 5 years they should get the boot.
^don't you think it may be a bit too early to compare klopp's 3 years with wengers 22....? maybe it's just me...
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Youre right, and im not trying to compare, its just that this liverpool team and similarly to spurs have been on the cusp for a few years and Im just wondering at what point does being very good not cut it anymore without silverware. If pep didnt win a trophy this year or next I would expect him to be gone. mancini got offed after losing an FA cup.
Unfortunately there are a few clubs with virtually unlimited funds and the rest of the self sustained clubs have to compete against them.

I don't think it's realistic to expect trophies if you're competing against teams that have many times bigger budget and don't need to care about balancing it because the sugar daddy will always pour more money if needed. If Man City spends enough money they'll dominate the EPL for many years no matter what other clubs do.

So in that situation a steady progress, good transfers, good tactics and attractive football is all you can ask for from a manager. Perhaps eventually that will bring some trophy, but let's be honest, right now the competition is completely skewed.

You can't expect to win a race if you're driving Toyota Yaris against Ferrari and Lamborghini no matter how good driver you are.
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If we sack him, who would replace him?
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Money can't buy you everything. Look at united... look st Real Madrid from the time they bought kaka and Ronaldo they didn't win anything til mourinho. Bayern lost to Dortmund, Montpellier beat PSG back when they started spending big, shoutnout Leicster. Money can help alleviate a lot of problems but it can't fix everything. Bakayoko cost 40 mil but wouldn't get into Everton or leiscters team. The team got rid of Rodgers all I'm saying is at what point is it no longer acceptable

And wolf I'm suggesting this after a couple of years so the replacements could be anyone.
Those Montpellier, Monaco, Leicester, Dortmund examples are singular exceptions that just make sugar daddies pour more money into their clubs so that the domination is restored.

Montpellier won the title and then PSG dominated League One for 4 years. After Monaco won League One it got dismantled by PSG and Man City. Dortmund won Bundesliga and Bayern snatched half of their team and went for 5 consecutive titles, etc.

Of course only transfers are not enough, you also need a great manager. But guess what, money can buy you any manager you want too.

Those lesser clubs winning silverware are more and more exceptions to the rule and expecting any manager to win a title despite such domination in the transfer market by a few clubs is just unreasonable.
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It is utter stupidity to even think of firing Klopp, even if we don't win anything in next two years. That is no footballing brain, when Suarez left we were in deep s**t. When couts left we are doing ok. Players like Robertson, Gini, Lovren, TAA, Firmino are improving drastically under Klopp. It is no brainer to understand Klopp's team work philosophy. I started supporting the team before Istanabul and we have not won s**t since than. I can wait for glory to arrive even after 3-4 years, but it is extremely important to steady the ship first. Which in current pool of footballing managers only Klopp seems to be capable of doing.
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Okay so you would expect liverpool to win nothing then....? Cuz if money is the end all be all then Liverpool can't win anything.
At what point isnspending differential insurmountable? 10 million? 60? for all the spending city and united have combined for 0 titles in last three years. THE FRench and German examples you're right but the parity in those leagues is not even close to the Prem. Liverpool have the ability to spend well over 100 mil and whether it's because of selling or not they are not left in the dust by anyone. This is a better discussion is person but alas this is what we got. (Response to backflip)
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/premier-league-clubs-transfers-net-spend-last-5-years/

This source claims that between Jan 2012 and Jan 2017 Man City's net spend was £500M while Liverpool's was £170M. Add to that last summer net spend where Man City's was £135M vs Liverpool's £50M.

source: https://talksport.com/football/every-premier-league-club-ranked-their-net-spend-summer-transfer-window-170901252791?p=19

I agree the differences are smaller than in League One or in Bundesliga, but I still think that firing a manager because he didn't win the title given this much difference in net spend is unreasonable.

You can also add to that the fact that due to 2-3 times higher wages they can afford and a reputation for unlimited financial resources Man City is the first in line for any player they want even if other clubs are willing to pay the same price.

On top of that there is also Man United and Chelsea who also can afford to spend 2-3 times more every transfer window so even if City happens to have terrible season Man Utd and Chelsea have much bigger potential to win the title than Liverpool.
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I think, you are mistakingly taking being patient for glory for not wanting silverware. Liverpool of all premier league clubs badly need silverware to restore reputation. However with Klopp it is difficult but possible, without him we will start backwards journey again.
+4
it might seem weird but winning trophies is not that important, respect, progress and sustainability thats what i like. also exciting games
+3
Back flip net spend just means there is a difference in resources but Liverpool do spend a lot of money which they have been aided by big sales like Torres Suarez and coutinho. But the quality of players purchased is still the same at this point. I mean Liverpool have already spent the counting money in VVD and Keita.
Stohberg, patience is fine but their has to be a period of time too. Klopp will not be given 10 years to tonwin something he will be fired if he does not achieve silverware at some point. I'm asking how long that would take

And Harvester that's great I too value our respect for the game and community, progress of the team and the English game, and Our sustainable system.
You are too adamant on stressing " fire if no trophies" you need to understand Liverpool's current state of affairs a bit more. Specially in last two decades.
Honestly this discussion is pointless now.
+2
^Lol
+1
Yep. Keane is a w****r, end of story.
Champions League Goals & Assists:

Firmino 7 4
Salah 6 2
Mane 6 1
Milner 0 7
Moreno 0 3

Coutinho 5 2
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isn't Liverpool the top scoring team in CL so far?

I kinda want moreno in the 11 again. He was actually the best performing defender we had until he got injured.
+1
Milner >>>> KDB+ Messi
+6
@Arjen no thx kbye
+1
I love moreno, but let robbo do his thing for now
+1
LB was a black hole last season now we actually have two very good performers there.
+1
Didn't we got thrown out of FA cup because of one of them.
+1
Want to see these kind of performances against big teams, would be nice if you can win it if we don't.
+3
What a performance! Congrats lads
+1
Both our teams are doing well with little budgets.
@Kop4Ever Liverpool's little budget? Lol wat?
+5
^Look at the net spend.
+6
Spursaussie, net spend is negative for us.
+4
Where have you got that deluded idea from that your net spend is negative?

2011: Ins £109.95m Outs £79.1m Net spend £20.8m

2012: Ins £30.23m Outs £14.3m Net spend £15.93m

2013: Ins £65.3m Outs £28.7m Net spend £36.6m

2014: Ins £116.85m Outs £72.875m Net spend £43.975m

2015: Ins £88.5m Outs £76.02m Net spend £12.488m

2016: Ins £69m Outs £86.5m Net spend -£17.5m

2017: Ins £88.9m Outs £47.25m Net spend £41.65m

Total: Ins £568.73m Outs £404.745m

FSG net spend on players in seven years: £163.985m


Thats from the Liverpool Echo, written on 10/08/2017.

Taking into consideration the fees of Coutinho sale and VVD buy (which is kind of misleading, as the Coutinho sale has not in anyway impeded the expenditure of the last 7 years), £146.2m and £75m respectively, it brings your net spend to £92.9m. That took me 5mins to research.


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