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West Ham will be a big test for us, we know their bus tactics and will show if we have learnt anything in the past few weeks.
I don't understand why only Arsenal are being slated by every media channel..why are we not slated , why our performance is not being analysed..we were poor last night in very basic sense. Lallana, Sakho,Simone..were very poor last night..we were lucky and we did show some resilience, but baring that I don't think we are playing collectively as good as we should. Front 5 players need to gel up and gel up quick..Lack of pace by stuzza's absence is seen in every game now. I am particularly very miffed at Simone..he is such good goalie..he needs to start being more dominant in box..he needs to improve his decision as well..should have never left his line last night. We got away last night.

Imagine this team against Borrusia last night, they would have put us to sword out rightly. The only positive for me was

a) After very long time we have fullback who are
decent. I count my blessings 10 times a day for
Moreno and manquillo. I really do !!
b) Jordan seems to be developing with every game. He
was very good yesterday in offensive position.
c) Balo seems to be working, i think with stuzza
in..he will benefit as well.
d) AT LEAST WE HAVE 3 POINTS.
Thank the ref? For what exactly?
Haha..i think ref is unwanted..if the penalty was one way against liverpool, it was in equal terms..on lalana as well so ..i see no point saying that unless you want to make fuss abt nothing really..now you can thank the post as much as you like 159..that does not concern and convince me.

I am concerned about my team gelling up, not post swelling up. That i leave to you, try shrinking the post, i bet you can do that.
Yup, Kop i agree, i was impressed by their two brazillian players, they were good.
(u must) tkx the ref and(/or) the post (instead). if you guys were only as much as draw I bet the media would have had your skin too. arsenal were simply much worse last night and they also lost, which makes the difference

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Lfc140812


We got the 3 points that's why we are not being slated. Plus that Ludogorets fooled everyone. Sometimes people make the mistake of thinking they are going to hammer certain teams just because they never heard of them and it back fires. It ain't fifa. In reality things like last night happen.
@CantStopTheKop for that dubious penalty at the death while ignoring the lovren blatant foul in the first half.

@elnino not saying you don't deserve the points tho.
How can i make you understand my friend:

a) foul by Lovern --Penalty, yes agreed.
b) foul by moti on Lallana--Penalty, yes .
c) foul on manquillo--pen, yes agreed.

1 for -1 against + 1 for = 1 for (in the end)
@lfc yes that's why I included the post in the beginning to cancel it out :D
Drde, we get it, you're fed up with the ref for not giving 'ludogogo' a penalty for a blatant foul by lovren. No need to repeat yourself.
Another reason is because Arsenal have been in the champions league forever and they don't seem to be learning.
You guys are somewhat newer to the competition, having not made it in 5 years, hence the comparatively less criticism
yes fair point raj, but i want this team to be criticised left right ad center..like gerra did yesterday..that we were ok, not good, like rogers did yesterday..saying we are not where we want to be..without criticism we will not come to know ou shortcomings..like we know now, SG needs to adapt his game a little more, like simone needs to improve, sakho needs to improve, cou is going through a patch of rough performance, stuzza should also learn and say no to stupid regimes which hodgeson follow..if there are any which escalates his injury..nothing is won or lost this early, but if improvements are made early, we can do better in long run..that is my point.
3 points, 2 goals and 1 happy fan ;)
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Haha..end of the talk...3 points, 2 goals, 1 happy fan.
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I am just leaving this here HEHE
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Over and out.

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http://www.lfc.vn/media/highlights/highlights-liverpool-ludogorets-sky-sports-cl15-m01/

10minute highlights for anyone interested in re-watching the game.
This is only 4 minute highlights plus interview and studio comments. But thanks anyway!!!
LOL guys check out Pedro's wikipedia statistics for international goals:
Year Apps Goals
2010 11 111
2011 4 31
2012 8 27
2013 14 24
2014 7 12
Sign him up!
11 Apps and 111 goals ? i must be watching Barcelona B this whole years .

He is a good player but sadly lost his way after that glorious season , surprisingly most of the time he plays like old pedrito while playing for Spain but with Barcelona he is been frustrating to watch . If Munir continue his development , i wont be surprised if he opt to leave .
Thats international games.

Damn I dont remember Pedro scoring 10 goals a game back in 2010.

We were lucky yesterday. I have no confidence watsoever on sakho. He needs to improve. Defensively we looked like we wud concede any time.

Offensively every player seems to work hard, but never do we seem to threaten the opposition goal. New players need time but its gotta be quick.

Balo is not making the runs behind defenders. He always seems to stand upfront looking to receive the ball. Missing sturridge already

We need to get our act together, sort out some of the rustiness and start winning convincingly.
How good is our New LB !! Alberto Moreno , remember the name. Easily by now our best signing of the summer!

EDIT : Manquillo is surely the best summer Bargain.
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We are looking solid on left backs now. It is our scoring/finishing on the final third that become the issue. We are too used to a forward who can run through people.
@ashup because he is on loan? then put falcao there too :P
@159 : No because he is 20 , looks like has a great future, and will cost 5 million according to his loan deal, Falcao would surely cost more than 40 million next year.
ah so you pay for future's potential we pay for today's world class, but anyway both are loans atm so permanent transfer fees are not relevant here. no one will force you or us to take up that option.

thus for the "best summer bargain" title, it would have been a tie between all the top players on loan atm
mate we are overpaying for everything these days. i think the only fair price we played was for blind at 14 million. you could also maybe make the case for rojo as well, 16 million is not a bad fee for his age versatility and potential, especially since he's a world cup finalist and made team of the tournament.

i have to say moreno's been playing a lot better than i expected. i was expecting him to keep playing like he did vs city for a while but it seems he's settled in immediately.
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My definitions of Bargain buys : A player not very well known, comes in for a relatively cheap price and performs 2 times than expectations.

Eg : Coutinho , Sturridge , Manquillo , etc.

Surely Falcao doesn't fit in there, Not saying he is a bad signing or anything, but its like comparing apples and oranges.

@Sif : Even i am pleasantly surprised about moreno's performances, i had doubts about his defensive capabilities but he is doing very well.
Well the universal definition is:

bar·gain (bärgn)
n.
3. Something offered or acquired at a price advantageous to the buyer.

The status or popularity of the player are irrelevant. Call him the best unearthed gem if you want (at a stretch ftm) but definitely not THE best bargain this summer.
Guys Guys , we have a English Scholar here!!
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no just someone who know what he is talking about lol
LOL , isn't Manquillo acquired by Liverpool at a price advantageous to us , when people are throwing around 30 million for fullbacks ?
really mate? i am not saying he is NOT a bargain lol just not THE BEST this summer because lots of top class players also fall into that bargain criteria due to the loan system.
alex song? please. top class or very high potential loans this summer: van ginkel, thorgan hazard, falcao, origi, ibe, negredo, chicharito, deulofeu, oliver torres...

6million for a confirmed world class player. don't tell me you would not want him at that price? even for a year.

repost: both are loans atm so permanent transfer fees are not relevant here. no one will force you or us to take up that option.

anyway it is still too soon to decide who is a bargain and who is not. at the end of the season overall performance will have the last say.
oh. yes totally forgot y'all loaned Chicha , ya i agree too early to call someone a bargain yet.

PS : my original post i meant "Bargain" amongst the other LFC buys Like Moreno , Can , Lambert.

lol :P
We have an option to buy him for 5m , players like Falcao ar being paid huge salaries , even though on loan, falcao cost you guys some loan fee , correct me if i am wrong, was it 10 million ?

PS : Name a few top class loans, Only Alex Song and Falcao comes to mind.
We have option to buy Manquillo at the end of a 2-year loan for something like 6 million, at which point he'll be a mature player that LFC will have helped develop.

If that isn't a bargain, I don't know what is.

(Lotta MUFC players aroudn here these days, eh? maybe we're going to have t coin the term ABL, Anyone But Liverpool haha.
heh? why were you arguing about falcao then? mislead me.
Jeezzzzzzz drde159. You put the Falcao thing in here.! Gosh!
@bplittle in order to participate to the conversation in a constructive way please read the rest of the thread before commenting please?

quote from above:
"really mate? i am not saying he is NOT a bargain lol just not THE BEST this summer because lots of top class players also fall into that bargain criteria due to the loan system."
@ashup if you were really talking exclusively about liverpool summer signings then why not said so right when I brought up falcao?
Falcao loan costs United £24 million including wages.
(http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-uniteds-radamel-falcao-transfer-4147956)

How is that a bargain? He also has not proven that he will work with your team while Manquillo has.

How much more will it cost to purchase Falcao at the end of the loan and then to pay his wages for a few more years? Even if Falcao comes through and gels with the team it will not be at a bargain price by any means.

Loans come at different prices too.
Future permanent transfer fees are not relevant here cuz no one will force you or us to take up that option.

But I agree with you BP if we factor in the wages then Falcao will no longer be considered a bargain in the strict sense of the word.

However he is a world class striker so in the same way the OP considered Manquillo to be a bargain due to his potential, Falcao's loan could still be considered a "bargain" due to his past performances and proven goalscoring abilities.

Even if I take the 24m a year figure you stated (which I don't concur fyi), he could still be a "bargain" if let say he win us a top 3 spots to the detriment of you guys or arsenal.
It would be exactly like RVP when he won us the title. 24m fee + 200k weekly wages for him then IS still a "bargain".

One more thing, the whole thread is me trying to prove to OP that Manquillo is deffo NOT the BEST bargain of this summer, mainly due to the loan system, many other top players are also considered as bargain.

But once again, it is still too soon to decide who is a bargain and who is not. At the end of the season overall performance will have the last say.
We need to figure out how to play against teams that defend deep and make counterattacks.
We simply got no clue against such conditions and all the teams have now figured that out.
in defense of countinho the kid plays very well with studge and sterling on the pitch, he needs to build a partnership with balo and lallana they just dont click all too well, this is all fixed with time we cant go executing our players just yet.. our defense also falls into this catagory.. its pretty much a whole new back line. we will only get better
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He is trying too hard , And no one is making those runs. Balo doesn't makes the runs in behind the defense like Stuzza, At least our defense is looking better than last season.
Injuries

Flanagan - might be ready for west ham
Johnson - no return date.
Can - late October
Sturridge - late sept
Allen - might be ready for west ham
Skrtel - should be match fit for west ham
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Flanagan - manquillo has his spot cemented.
Johnson - no return date , Glad.
Can - late October , Really wanted to see him play more at CDM
Sturridge - Hoping he starts the derby .
Allen - might be ready for west ham , Really need him in high tempo games .
Skrtel - should be match fit for west ham , would be on the bench imo.
Here's to united fans that were cheering us on today. Cheers. Thanks for your support.
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United fans saying how we were barely able to beat a struggling 'unknown' team in the CL, yet they can't even beat the likes of MK Dons.
+4
Glad to know they spent their time watching our game, well.. if things aren't changing over there, I'm sure we will see some of them over here.. pretty soon.
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@azeal that escalates quickly :D
@elnino of course some would say that because half the team against mk dons is U21 youth while yours yesterday is the first squad entirely.


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