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Imagine coming here to see people moaning lmao, we are joint first with city, pipe down
_________17/18_____18/19
W__________3_________7
D__________4_________2
L__________2_________0
G.F_______14________16
G.A_______16_________3
G.D_______-2_______+13
Pts_______13________23
Pos._______9th_______2nd (only on GD)
Off top____12pts_____0pts
Bobby______3_________2 goals
Mané_______3_________4 goals
Salah______5_________4 goals
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W__________3_________7
D__________4_________2
L__________2_________0
G.F_______14________16
G.A_______16_________3
G.D_______-2_______+13
Pts_______13________23
Pos._______9th_______2nd (only on GD)
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Bobby______3_________2 goals
Mané_______3_________4 goals
Salah______5_________4 goals
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So moaners, tell me WTF are you complaining about exactly??
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Yea guys forget we didn't hit form until Xmas last year. We were very poor at the start of last season.
Im all good, 3 points is all that matters. When Chelsea gets 3 dirty point people are envious on how they keep getting points. When we get 3 dirty points folks are like "we're not good enough, not clinical, don't score many goals etc etc". People need to learn to be happy with 3 points. If the league were to be decided on GD, then City would win it all day long. We are good but we are not as prolific and do not have a super duper crazy expensive squad as theirs..
^ So true. Points 99.9% of the time wins the league, Not goals.
In the 2009 season, We had more goals and less conceded than Utd and still, they won the league by 2 points.
In the 2009 season, We had more goals and less conceded than Utd and still, they won the league by 2 points.
So essentially it means we are doing better but not enough.
We got kicked out of Mickey mouse cup, lost against Napoli and barely managed to win against a team who are still looking for first win of the season. Hell yes I am worried about. Moreover it feels like Klopp is still trying to figure out his best 11.
We got kicked out of Mickey mouse cup, lost against Napoli and barely managed to win against a team who are still looking for first win of the season. Hell yes I am worried about. Moreover it feels like Klopp is still trying to figure out his best 11.
All this proves is our increased organization and defensive stats. Show me chance creation, possession stats, pass completion, etc. thats the bread and butter. All this is is topical evidence to cover up the glaring issues.
Sure we didn't have a hot start last year, but i was extremely hopeful because we lost playing extremely well so results would eventually follow. Also injuries played a major role.
My only problem is us conceding the first goal. The lack of fluidity on display at times is concerning is all.
Sure we didn't have a hot start last year, but i was extremely hopeful because we lost playing extremely well so results would eventually follow. Also injuries played a major role.
My only problem is us conceding the first goal. The lack of fluidity on display at times is concerning is all.
^ In a lot of ways though I was getting sick of us having to be at our best to get points and because of this when we dropped form we were in trouble.
Now we ain't in great form and we are getting many points and when we hit form or should I say our front 3 hit form we be a real fire.
Now we ain't in great form and we are getting many points and when we hit form or should I say our front 3 hit form we be a real fire.
Here's a fact to make ye all happy.
This time last season we were 9th in the league and 12 pts of City.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwZdIKpufuM
7mins 42 seconds
This time last season we were 9th in the league and 12 pts of City.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwZdIKpufuM
7mins 42 seconds
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We playing s**t, but we come far lol
+3
I wonder how salah was doing at this point last season. I remember Lots of folks saying his finishing is sh.t at the beginning last year.
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He is only 2 goals off
Remember for years we seen Utd being s**t and still, they did well. Maybe that is us and we are not used to it. For years with many managers, we have played great football and many systems yet we did f**k all. This time we don't look great yet this system got us through the hardest 8 game period and still, we are on top and still in the qualifier area in CL with 2 of the easiest games to come in CL and League while City has spurs and Chelsea has dropped points at UTD.
Sergio maybe being s**t is the new great 🤣
Sergio maybe being s**t is the new great 🤣
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whatever is happening, i'm loving this defense.
+4
It's always a plus when you're team is not performing but getting results. You guys should be happy because once you hit form, it will be hard to stop you guys.
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Right, I have watched the game back to make sure I can back up what I have been thinking for a while after putting a lot of our games together since the end of last year and a lot of research it might just hit home a few truths about Klopp and the way he forms his system around a group of three and will change the system when that 3 is broken and start a new system to share the knowledge of the current 3.
Point 1:
We are not going to be like we were last year even though we have a better team now because we aren't a 'Gegenpressing' team anymore.
Reason:
Last year we were a 'Gegenpressing' team and the master behind that style that even Klopp said on many occasions was Zeljko Buvac
Here's one of the many articles about Buvac and Gegenpressing
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/who-zeljko-buvac-meet-jurgen-6586239
Buvac is gone and so is the 'Gegenpressing' forcing the change of system by Klopp because the 3 is broken! Only Klopp and Peter is left out of the 3. On to the new system!
Point 2:
Klopp has brought Pep Lijnders back as his no.2 to form the new system around Lijnders style which is more Possession based and why the team at times look like if it is the first time they played together.
Reason:
Klopp for a while was still trying to figure out ways to develop the team as a whole instead of just being a team build around a crazy attack and you only have to look at the big teams that normally win the prem or at least fight for it to realize that Possession based teams have a better chance. Klopp notices this and realized that 'Gegenpressing' is nice on the eye but it is two forms of an attack, 1 to win the ball and other to aggressive attack with the ball. Both limit and expose the defensive when caught out! And with Klopp ready to move in a different direction Buvac wasn't needed anymore.
This new group of 3 has the team working on Possession play and you just have to look at our training Vids on LFC.TV with Lijnders and compare to the training we used to have when Buvac was there to see it is chalk and Cheese.
This is completely new to the team and as Rodgers once said learning a new style while trying together points in the prem is like trying to fix a plane while it is moving.
Positive News:
Even though it is a little pain in the arse to watch atm while the team finds their feet in this new system we are still fixing the plane while it is moving which got to stand for something and shows how good our team is against all odds.
Maybe this might ease some tension and help to understand what is going on.
PS: This system will really come together in time and if we had a link up type player it would ease the journey.
Point 1:
We are not going to be like we were last year even though we have a better team now because we aren't a 'Gegenpressing' team anymore.
Reason:
Last year we were a 'Gegenpressing' team and the master behind that style that even Klopp said on many occasions was Zeljko Buvac
Here's one of the many articles about Buvac and Gegenpressing
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/who-zeljko-buvac-meet-jurgen-6586239
Buvac is gone and so is the 'Gegenpressing' forcing the change of system by Klopp because the 3 is broken! Only Klopp and Peter is left out of the 3. On to the new system!
Point 2:
Klopp has brought Pep Lijnders back as his no.2 to form the new system around Lijnders style which is more Possession based and why the team at times look like if it is the first time they played together.
Reason:
Klopp for a while was still trying to figure out ways to develop the team as a whole instead of just being a team build around a crazy attack and you only have to look at the big teams that normally win the prem or at least fight for it to realize that Possession based teams have a better chance. Klopp notices this and realized that 'Gegenpressing' is nice on the eye but it is two forms of an attack, 1 to win the ball and other to aggressive attack with the ball. Both limit and expose the defensive when caught out! And with Klopp ready to move in a different direction Buvac wasn't needed anymore.
This new group of 3 has the team working on Possession play and you just have to look at our training Vids on LFC.TV with Lijnders and compare to the training we used to have when Buvac was there to see it is chalk and Cheese.
This is completely new to the team and as Rodgers once said learning a new style while trying together points in the prem is like trying to fix a plane while it is moving.
Positive News:
Even though it is a little pain in the arse to watch atm while the team finds their feet in this new system we are still fixing the plane while it is moving which got to stand for something and shows how good our team is against all odds.
Maybe this might ease some tension and help to understand what is going on.
PS: This system will really come together in time and if we had a link up type player it would ease the journey.
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I don't think we are done with gegen press but we will be playing a much less intense version of it. This new system does not seem to be working, maybe fabinho and kieta are key but so far I have not seen any evidence to say its an improvement on our attacking play, but drastically better in defending. The buvac thing is wierd, he is one man so I don't know how much it has on the change of our play. If I remember correctly buvac left around the same time as ox getting injured. Which means it's either one of two things. Either liverpool decided buvac is now redundant and we moving to mad new style of football or that we are lacking that dynamic midfielder in coutinho/ox. I think I'm more entitled to believe its the second one becouse we had our heart set on fekir. Regardless of what Klopp may say, he is not happy with what he has and wants another attacking player. This is the missing link imo, kieta was bought to do the gini/hendo role as one of 8's. We all know kieta is amazing player but he is almost being instructed to play a different role to what we expected. Much like fabinho, we ain't going to see the best of them two until they know their role correctly. The lack of cohesion on midfield is weighing heavily on strikers, salah and mane are often left isolated, there is a missing link between attack and midfield and that Is our biggest problem right now
The thing about pep ljinders, I am really excited. When it does start working we might actually have a liverpool that can attack and defend like a world class team. Right now it's one or the other
Also as you said, there are positives to take.
We won the game today, I can be content with that for now
The thing about pep ljinders, I am really excited. When it does start working we might actually have a liverpool that can attack and defend like a world class team. Right now it's one or the other
Also as you said, there are positives to take.
We won the game today, I can be content with that for now
Mate watch the training and you'll see what I am saying. Klopp wouldn't of repeating about buvac and Gegenpressing for no reason. buvac was forever with Klopp and the moment buvac is not with klopp we see klopp using a new style for the first time and the new style has Lijnders wrote all over it. I am watching Lijnders a long time and know his methods. It's not working because it is the popular opposite to what the team are used to and will take time.
Hmm intresting stuff
Wow while we are struggling to even get shots on target- Arsenal are absolutely steam rolling teams- devastating attack by them. Scary to watch them and City
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Arsenal didn't even play this gameweek
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Klopp, The Commentators, and Tv presenters all saying it was a bad performance as I said below. We are very lucky the team we were playing today are a relegated team because anyone else and we were beaten today.
Glad about the 3 points though even if we never did training on the attack since the start of the season we still couldn't be that bad. It is a major problem and not a one that can be fixed easily because how can a form problem be fixed. It's not like the attackers are shite. It's like the mojo is gone and that ain't easy to fix.
Glad about the 3 points though even if we never did training on the attack since the start of the season we still couldn't be that bad. It is a major problem and not a one that can be fixed easily because how can a form problem be fixed. It's not like the attackers are shite. It's like the mojo is gone and that ain't easy to fix.
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Maybe it would have been different with mane and firmino, we deffo did not control the game but it was not a bad performance. Defence was great just like it has been all season. Having a defence that wins you points is nothing bad, United been literally doing it for years. Of course I'm still hoping we find our second gear soon
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We were terrible today. They hit the post and missed two good chances. I really dont know what has happened. So difficult to explain. Can anyone explain how we have gone from almost the best attack in Europe to this in a matter of a few games? Because I cant
Change of system
Loss of coutinho
Loss of ox
Our forwards not being in form
Combination of all that
Loss of coutinho
Loss of ox
Our forwards not being in form
Combination of all that
So how do those Liverpool fans that wanted Salah to miss this game due to injury feel now? where you all at?
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he had a s**t game to be honest
+2
He was very poor aside from the goal but you need that quality for the finish that you might not otherwise have had.
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Other than one person on here, I'm pretty sure everyone was upset he was injured but understood if he were to sit out it could give him some time to reset as well as other players opportunity to show their talents and give a case to be a starter especially in the next 3 games we have. I was happy he could start and figured Klopp might start him in these easier fixtures to give him some confidence. Yes he scored, but he still played several poor balls and wasn't at his best. But great finish, and we continue going.
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Salah to Liverpool is like Messi to Barcelona or Kane to Tottenham you simply play him every game regardless of his form or the opponent. Thats how they thrive. You bench him that will kill whatever is left of his confidence. When Kane goes on a dry spell he never gets benched by Pochetino he keeps playing him and eventually Kane starts banging goals again. You never rest your best player unless its a league cup or europa league game.
P S it was 2 Liverpool fans that posted Salah should be benched and quite a few other fans agreed with them. Salah made them all eat their words though.
P S it was 2 Liverpool fans that posted Salah should be benched and quite a few other fans agreed with them. Salah made them all eat their words though.
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^Agree and Klopp knows it too that's why he doesn't drop him irrespective of his form. The quality is always there and we got 3 points coz of him. People are just upset that we are not winning games with 3-1 or 4-2 scorelines anymore.
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Careful mentioning salah in the same sentence as Messi, Barca fans are very sensitive about that 😂
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Ridiculous proposition. If we're going to wander into the realm of hypotheticals maybe we would have won 3-0 if he was on the bench. What does this serve other than to soothe your spite?
lol 2muchdopamine if Salah was on the bench you would have dropped 2 points and ended up with 0-0....doesn't take a genius to figure that out
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There is a lot to be happy about so far this year don't get me wrong BUT this attack is broken. And when I say broken I mean dreadful. Salah looks molasses on the ball, Firmino has to have a pass completion % under 60 and Mane is more selfish than ever... Highlights for me have been Studge, VVD, Milner, Gini, Gomez and a couple other good performances here or there.
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Mane didnt play...firmino came on the 70th. Studge looked dreadful today. Salah above average..should've had two. Shaqiri looks the hungriest. Gomez or VVD man of the match for me.
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We had only 2 shot on target today
Almost none through pass and good crossing. We did not create enough chances for our striker to finish it
Almost none through pass and good crossing. We did not create enough chances for our striker to finish it
@ArmsRed21 I'm talking more about the entire season so far but tonight helped highlight Firmino and Salah. Salah may have scored but he was well below average on decision making and quickness of play.
Klopp looks as confused like me on WTF is going on when we get in the final third. It's almost like we are purposely trying not to score.
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I agree, the final passes have been atrocious! Thank god the defense is so boss. We need to do much much better.
Everything was wrong at the final third. The decision making the pass etc.
Apart from that goal we are not threatening enough. Maybe because the international break but our attack need to do something. It almost 1/3 of league games and still not see anything resemble our attack like last year
Great result by the way :)
Apart from that goal we are not threatening enough. Maybe because the international break but our attack need to do something. It almost 1/3 of league games and still not see anything resemble our attack like last year
Great result by the way :)
Still undefeated.Defenses win you titles, goals will come eventually.
^^ don't think international break is the reason for that. We have been playing like that most part of the season.
Kloppo needs to start changing personal from starting 11 to keep them on their toes
Kloppo needs to start changing personal from starting 11 to keep them on their toes
I felt the game by us quite boring.
Our counter so slow and easily defended by the opponent.
They mostly penetrate our left side, maybe the absence of Mane make them think we could not hurt them on fast counter on that side
Klopp need to adjust things a bit
Our counter so slow and easily defended by the opponent.
They mostly penetrate our left side, maybe the absence of Mane make them think we could not hurt them on fast counter on that side
Klopp need to adjust things a bit
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