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Feel sorry for Salah...but people who watch the foul in slow motion and judge that Ramos did intentionally is smoking some really good stuff. His idea was to foul but 100% not be break Salah legs or shoulder. He could have easily broken his own shoulder with some bad luck.

Having said that even with Salah on Real would have won the game 2-1 or maybe 3-2...Real have that X factor and experience to not play well and win
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With Salah on, Marcelo didnt have the freedom to go up considering this Liverpool would have won 2 - 1 or 3 - 1 had Salah stayed on the pitch. Its pretty simple the first 25 minutes it was all Liverpool when Salah left it looked as though Liverpool were a man down cos Real kept charging at them cos they didnt have to worry about Salah making those runs in behind. Salah is a special player at times he makes opponents needing 2 players to mark him and that gives Mane and Firmino the freedom to move around without Salah Liverpool was always dimensionally flat, just look at the Liverpool City game when Salah came off on the 70th minute Liverpool had no idea what to do with the ball when they got it.
Losing Salah so early on was a bad omen for Klopp and Liverpool. Some managees are so unlucky it's just sad. Liverpool stood no chance after the main man went off.
@Baz spot on, he probably wanted to hurt him like defenders leaving a mark on the attacker but don't think there was intention of injuring him
We are paying money for a downgrade in managers, just like we downgraded from matic to bakayoko, I guess this team loves moving backwards
Not sure what you mean Sarri's Napoli side where actually very entertaining and very attacking against us. Very exciting to watch honestly. They played from the back no matter how much you press them, then they tend to continue to transition into attack by playing the ball in a ping pong back in forth type of passing and looking for ways to break up the teams defensive formation by trying to suck you out of position. In fact they do that while playing high line and everyone was involved in attack. They continue to press and press, for me it looked like a 4-3-3 in attack and a 4-5-1 in defense. Their was a reason why they were giving Juve a run for their money just a few months ago.

I like Sarri tbh, not to mention Conte might look like the crazy guys who yells at you the whole game but Sarri looks like his going to beat your a**. His one scary looking mofo who smokes all the time. I don't know how Cheslea will look under him but he would need to backed up and get his own players.
Give Bakayako and Sarri time, Bakayako will benefit massively in a 3 man midfield and we haven't had a manager like Sarri for a while
Someone tell me what Matic was doing at 23? Even after moving to United he's won Zilch and Bakayoko already won a Cup.

He was part of a midfield that beat Matic's team in a final.

Way I see it it's Baka 1 - 0 Matic

when Baka plays vs Man U, we win :p
Pretty sure liverpool keeper was paid off
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lol pool. Thats a tough loss to take.
kinda reminded me of our match vs Barca, individual errors are costly, tough loss
I particularly fell in love with Conte after I saw an average Italian team that he paraded at the last EURO, they played beautifully which lighten my heart and I became his number one fan since then. I was wondering if this man could play with any players to the extent that Italian team could stand toe to toe with Spain. Where was the same Conte that changed formation in his first season when the road was getting tougher? Chelsea problem wasn't really alone the team upgrading from the board, we were found out by the rest of the EPL and we resorted back to a defensive game. Let us accept that we did not have the qualities to withstand the top 4 which I completely disagree with except CITY that has enough depth to win the league which they deservedly won. Conte lost me when he was shouting about the quality of the team, I was looking at it that was he not the same man that I love wholeheartedly bcos of EURO? We lost so many games to the most team below us that we supposed to cart away 3 points especially some games at SB. Conte has lost it. The only reason we won the league in his first spell was bcos of Costa being prolific which was what we lacked in his second season.
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JUDAS isKarius
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Why did we finish 5th? Because City, United, Spurs, and Pool all played better than us this season.

City: Was 100% better than us in every way

United: Played overly defensive football like we do sometimes but they did it better

Spurs: Better all around

Pool: Close to even with us in terms of defense but miles ahead on offense

Should we have done better? Maybe. If we had landed our 1st targets and they were implemented successfully I bet we would have finished in the top four. With the team we started the season with? I think a 5th place finish makes sense.
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I disagree. When the season started, I genuinely thought we would finish about United and Liverpool at the very least. Many pundits had us for 2nd or 3rd.

We did not finish 5th because of the squad we had. We arguably have a better squad than Liverpool and just about at Par with United in terms of quality.

We definitely didnt have the squad to finish 1st imo..but we had more than enough to finish 3rd at the very least.

Also, not like we finished 5th because we lost to the other competing rivals..we finished 5th because of games like Watford, Bournemouth, Palace, Westham, etc.
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we can't use if we had gotten our 1st target we would've done better. we missed out on Sandro but it's not like Alonso was terrible, in fact he was one of our better players


i don't know about Lukaku deal because Morata had such a hot start and he was great before the first injury but even still when he went missing for 2 months or so he still created chances for Hazard and Willian to shine and remember if Conte had gotten his first choice targets we would of gotten Andy Caroll


we were 2nd in the half of the season, we weren't that bad, it was just Conte's stubbornness to change or try anything new when we dropped like 21 points out of like 30 points, we picked up 6 points in 2 months


we should've finished in the top 4 no excuses, imo we have the 2nd best squad, on our day we have more quality than United and Pool when we play to our ability, it's that we didn't play anywhere near as we can, we have elite players in each position attacker, midfielder, defender and keeper
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When I individually compare our Defense, Midfield, and attack to United's, Spurs', and Pool's it seems clear to me why we finished 5th.

Defense: Ours is better than Pool's and on par or worse than United and Spurs. Azpi and Alonso are great and Rudiger got better as the season progressed. Cahill and Christensen can be improved.

Midfield: Ours is on par with Pool's and worse than United and Spurs. Kante is the best at his role in the league, but none of his partnerships have worked well for us this season...yes, even Fab.

Attack: Ours is worse than United, Spurs, and Pool. Hazard is brilliant, but I would pretty much take any of Alli, Eriksen, Kane, Martial, Lukaku, Salah, Mane, Firmino, Alexis, or Countinho (before he left) over Willian, Pedro, and Morata. I fancy Giroud.

Totally disagree with the OP. The simplest way to appraise Conte's job this just concluded season is to list the number of clubs we lost to in the PL.

You play in a league with other 5 teams considered elite but u drop points is 17 games that's embarrassing by any standard.

2 more wins could have seen us in top 4. He failed
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if you had kept Costa and Matic you definitely would have finished in the top 4, Costa would have solved your offensive problems and Matic your defensive problems. Exchanging those 2 for Morata and Bakayoko was a big mistake in my opinion whether it was the board or Conte whoever it was, it was a big mistake IMO.
Totally agree with the OP. The number of "smaller" clubs we dropped points against comes down to the quality of the squad, lack of PL experience, and inconsistency that it brings.

Of course Conte made quite a few tactical mistakes too, but we did those last season as well. This season, we simply have not scored enough goals, although we created about the same number of chances.

Here is a list of (influential to required for the squad) players we lost, and who we replaced them with:
Matic...Bakayoko
Costa...Morata
Terry...Christensen
Chalobah...Drinkwater
Begovic...Caballero
Ake (1/2 season)...Emerson (1/2 season)
Ivanovic (1/2 season)...Zappacosta
Oscar (1/2 season)...Barkley (1/2 season)
Michy (1/2 season)...Giroud (1/2 season)

For a moment, let us forget the fact that barring Giroud, Barkley, and Drinkwater, none of the rest (outfield players) have any PL experience.

That means, for most of the players who had some sort of impact last season, we have only got either inferior, less experienced, or just about the same level of players (some with more potential for the future than those who left). The only upgrade I see is Giroud, and maybe Christensen.

Moreover, this means, in spite of all the things Conte said about adding to the squad, we made 0 actual increase in the number of players in the first team squad. None, whatsoever.

This all, not withstanding that all these players came in at the end of each transfer window, many of whom had just recovered from a major injury (or were still injured). This is a massive fuckhole of a performance by the people dealing with transfers (none of whom is actually a football person).

Basically, an increase in the number of games is tackled by the same number of largely inferior (currently), inexperienced players.
All the other members of the top 6 underperformed this season just like last season to make the winners look miles ahead. Those teams dropped points in 13 to 19 games that's around half if the games they played. We massively underperformed to mot finish in the top 4 comfortably and Conte is lucky Steve Holland had left the club and he ohiad his hoard of assistants to surround him bcos he'd be sacked before the end of the season. Unfortunately we had to 1st team managerial insider to take up the realms.

This logic that we finished 5th bcos of lack of quality just baffles me. It implies Bournemouth and co who beat us comprehensively have a better squad which is an absolute fallacy. So will we accept any players from Watford, Bournemouth, Palace, West Ham, Burnley etc? Does it mean that if we biuth players from those teams we'd be upgrading our squad?

We signed Alonso and won the league last season and we praised Conte for a great job in improving the players. This season we blame the team? We might as well give the accolade to the players for last season.

For those teams that finished above us they had Delph, Henderson, Young, Valencia, Henderson, Alexander-Arnold, Robertson, Milner etc as mainstays but no one is feeling sorry for the. Nobody made excuses for Pep when he had to play leggy over 30s as his starting FBs which are vital for his style last season. We are quick to point out that Pochettino is trophyless ignoring the fact that he basically made the quality of the squad he has turning young players into mainstays in a top 4 team.

Excuses excuses excuses when reality is we lost and drew games we should be smashing in the goals to pad our GD.

People get found out and it's how they react that determines their future at the top. The Don as much as I respect him as seemed clueless. He's never changed the course of a game with any tactical influence or change of shape.

It's beautiful when it works for u but u got to earn ur money when the chips are down. My man didn't.
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As Naija said...excuses!
Fully agree with Naija to much excuses.Conte failed.Carlo was sacked for winning 2 trophies and coming second in two seasons,why should we keep Conte?
Its a combination of both, I agree with a little bit of Liq/KGB and with Naija. I think its unfair if you put it all on the board.

Salah wasn't Klopp's first choice, it was their board's purchase. Luiz wasn't Conte's first choice, it was our board. You win some you lose some. Managers everywhere are getting less say in transfers, every club is adapting a more european model.

But we can't be bringing in average/injured players. Thats inexcusable.
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2018/5/25/17391720/why-maurizio-sarri-and-chelsea-are-an-ill-fated-combination

Why Maurizio Sarri and Chelsea are an ill-fated combination. This is exactly the issues that Andre Villas Boas ran into when taking over a much better Chelsea side



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Oh yes bcos it happened to AVB a then 33 Yr old over half a decade ago with players who have since left the club then it must happen to Sarri a 59 Yr old with a totally different set of players. What a logic.

Read the comments section and u'll see what most people think about this article. It's simply unfounded and illogical
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AVB had one of the worst squads ever thou likes of Boswinga, old Maludoa, Torres, unmatured DL
we are loosing 3-0, 4-1 to relegation threaten side with a defensive coach, at least with an attacking manager we can say we went all out lol
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lol, the article is hardly illogical. There are lots of parallels. Whatever Sarri wants to do, cannot be done with these set of players, which means, investing in the f*****g squad, which we have not done for 4 transfer windows.
i dont want to conte to go but why does he have to be so one dimensional...goddamn
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i would be alright with Conte staying if he still had the passion in the first season, i really thought he could build a solid foundation for the coming years and be our manager for a long time
Some can say that Conte should have done better this season with the players he had which is true but why did the board just not get the players he wanted? He seemed livid by not getting the players he wanted and having to settle for 2nd or 3rd choices. I think it really bruised his ego after winning the title and I mean it got so bad, he had to talk about it in press conferences time and time again.

In a way I feel for how things turned out for him. His a good manager but nothing was going to change in his eyes, I don't think he believed this team could get into top 4 and his constant war of words with the board festered into the locker room and some players are just not happy with him here at Chelsea any longer.
Moe nailed it...his ego was hurt because he dint get what he wanted in-spite of winning title
in this desire to spend lots of money for conte's targets, people forget that we are building a really expensive stadium.
Conte is head coach..not manager. He is not in charge of transfers at Chelsea FC. He only makes recommendations and the club can factor that into consideration.

Contrary to popular believe, the club actually tried to get him some of these players -K2 we bid 58mm pounds..got rejected. Nangolan we bid almost 50MM pounds - got rejected. Alex Sandro, we bid about 60MM pounds, got rejected.

Lukaku, we bid 70MM pounds, got rejected.

Now, you can't tell me the club didnt try. They just refused to be bullied into paying ridiculous sums for players amiss other upcoming debt like stadium.

Conte should have been able to play much better football with what he had. U dont lose 3 nil to Watford, NewCastle and complain about quality. I call those excuses.

We actually spent just as much as United and Pool did..City outspent us but not by much.. so this tells me that the problem isn't about the club being stingy as many believe.

I personally just feel the manager got found out and couldn't adopt to the situation.

We were the most defensive I've seen us since 2013-2014 season under Mou.

This is unacceptable in my books and I wont make excuses for the man. I want a more attacking coach
"We actually spent just as much as United and Pool did"

Bro i think we have explained like 100 times to you that spending as much as them is not what matters. Spending on what coach wants is what matters. you keep going back der again and again telling club tried...yes they tried and they failed and Conte failed too. Since Conte had won PL title season before he has upper hand is giving excuse its as simple as that. Its not like he asked for something before proving himself.

Also Watford, NewCastle defeats have happened before to Chelsea under different managers and we have even finished 10th. So its obvious that he was pissed like other managers were due to transfer policy and gave-up on the team or its the players problem as they are getting used to winning league and dropping out of top-4.

I dont mind Conte gone for a more attacking coach..But to keep picking his mistakes is not right. Like i posted the PL club stats other day. Conte is 2nd best after Pep over two seasons. While Spurs , Liverpool, United fans have patients to give manager some benefit of doubt. We chelsea fans are doing everything to pick his faults and mistakes over two seasons when he actually dint do that bad. He is going with cup win and deserves some respect
I just gave u evidence where Club tried to spend on what "coach wanted" but it didn't happen. By the way, the club does not have to buy exactly what Conte recommends -- Again, he is not a "Manager" He is a head coach...He understood when he signed for the club that his job is to train what is available.

So no, I refuse to blame the club.

Secondly, I am not interested in talking about past managers - This is about Conte and how I wont buy into excuses.

Yes we have lost to lower sides before and we will lose again and again to them...but it's the manner in which we have been losing to them of late that is unacceptable. And I dont believe you can blame squad quality for losing against Bournemouth 3 nil playing crap at Stamford bridge for example.

This is not an attack on Conte. This is an explanation as to why I personally dont want him here..I know you love the guy but we dont have to agree. Just accept that others would rather not have him. You dont have to be defensive about it.

No one is disrespecting him..at least not me. I dont know where you saw me disrespect him...

I am just saying that he has been ultra defensive for my liking.

sorry if you can't stomach that

There is nothing to swallow....It you opinion i respect that. Just like you alwasy repsect mine which is - "Jose was and is the most negative ultra defensive manager in the world"

Conte can go with his head high having won PL and FA cup in two seasons. Only thing is we missed top-4 by 5 points. Atleast he is not leaving us in relegation battle like it happened in 2015.


"By the way, the club does not have to buy exactly what Conte recommends"

Again your trying to find excuse to make it Conte's fault..so i will let it go. Does not matter who wins here...Conte will find another big club and win trophies in style not stopping that.


I dont believe you can blame squad quality for losing against Bournemouth 3 nil playing crap at Stamford bridge for example.

We lost 2-4 to some 2nd division club at stamford bridge before and yes squad quality had nothing to do with it even then.


I never said your attacking Conte..its just that you only love to pick his mistake and fault and ignore good things he has done. Just like i do when it comes to Jose's matter.

Anyways he will be gone very soon...like i said atleast lets show some patients like Liverpool , Spurs and United fans and show some love to our current manager. if they can based on what their managers have achieved im sure we can atleast until he gets sacked
I dont know how u always manage to get into childish banter and make this about Jose and Conte.

I dont give 2 craps about Mou..he is not the chelsea manager/coach now. And i will not have him back here at Chelsea either.

Conte won the league last season in impressive fashion for a first season. I dont have a problem praising him at all.

I dont make post here just to discredit him..do you see me making posts to moan about him? I just wont have the excuses i see for him here as all. Sorry

I am just not a fan of his style..Im sorry if this to you means I dislike the guy. We can't all love him the way u do.

And sure, goodluck to him should he leave and goes elsewhere. I dont have anything against him.
If anyone feels der was even 10% banter in my post you win. You sharing your opinion and im sharing mine. So chill its not a argument at all.

"I dont give 2 craps about Mou..he is not the chelsea manager/coach now."

I give a full crap about Conte because he is still Chelsea manager. if someone only talk negative about his all the time. I have every rights to back-up and cover for him.

I just gave Jose example to tell you that even im biased in Jose matter as you are in Conte matter...I was only making you feel better since im as biased as you.

I have told many times im not a fan of how we played last season and would not mind Conte go for a more attacking coach. Its just that until he is still chelsea manager i have every right to back him and i honestly feel he dint do as bad as some of us here and trying to make it look. Infact any other team would take him gladly and accept the seasons we had if they won 2 trophies
I dont consider myself biased against Conte at all..Im sorry. I dont like his style but I am more than happy to give credit where its due if that were the topic of conversation
At least we spent on Conte's hoard of assistants, he even got another one after Holland left.
City are going after Jorginho and Mahrez lol!. Other teams might as well forget about league and start focusing on Cup games.
rival clubs signing and attempting major signings while we are still dealing with the manager problems, hope it will be done soon
nothing stops other big teams from buying bigger players. city's business should not affect other teams winning the title
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