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This outrageous rumour that's been making the rounds for nearly a week now about us having agreed terms with Neymar if true would be okay if he sold Hazard and signed Neymar?

Thoughts?

I cant decide I will actually want them both.
BS and no way Barca will sell Neymar since Messi and Suarez are not getting any younger.

I see Hazard moving to Real and maybe we can replace him with Kylian Mbappé , James R or Isco ? I know everyone wants Alexis, but lets be honest Arsenal wont sell him to direct rivals
Let's all just hope Hazard stays. We aren't getting Neymar. I'm 200% sure of that
Costa said that he is open to go to France
Costa for Cavani ( he is in his form of his life , and has said he would like to play for us )
Lol I can bet that he wont be going to France. It was just a statement. nothing else
Cavani? Hell no...I would rather have Traore , Tammy or Michy lead the front lne
Cavani has 38 goals in 39 matches , only Messi has a more ridiculous stat , he is exactly like Costa without the drama
Who do we need to sign, in order to win the CL next season?

3 players:
Alexis Sanchez
Diego Godin
Matia De Sciglio

And, promote/bring back: Andersen, Ake, Troare and keep Costa ffs.
Godin probably a strech lol
Why do we want a 31 year old defender?
we need Verrati
Alexis Sanchez and Verrati.
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lol let's calm down lads. Verrati isn't going anywhere this summer and even if he were, he's said a million times that he'd prefer Juventus. So he's out. We have very little chance of landing Sanchez too. so we can count him out too.

Godin wont leave ATM either plus he's old.
Dreaming costs 0$..lets make use of it :P
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Don't you guys have like the best youth team in England or even Europe right now?

When are you gonna start using them? I saw a couple of them in action this year, they seemed solid.

With the first team as strong as it is, this should be a great time to bring them in. There has got to be at least 2 or 3 potential top players in there.
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^^exactly Jujex. our board and owner have to show that patience
I can think of maybe Mousanda, Christensen and Ake, maybe Traore but if Chelsea plans to go far in UCl, this squad and youth won't win it for you. You need to further strength the team in areas where they are weak. Imo, you guys don't have a substitute if Matic or Kante got injured. Not to mention another wing-back with strength and speed. Also someone that can compete with Costa, I think that Belgium kid is gone this summer, I can see Conte move for Morata. I'm sure also, Conte will move for someone that can replace Zouma and Terry. Both are probably gone this summer. I would be surprised if Conte pushed Christensen in the back because his still only 19-20.

If I was Conte:
Michal Antonio (RB, RW)
Radja Nainggolan (DM,CM)
Morata (ST)
Stefan De Vrij (CB)
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Well, obviously i agree about the youth potential, which is why i wrtote we should utilize Christensen, Ake and Traore.

The post was about who ( imo) we would need in order to WIN the CL next season, and I for one do not rate our chances of getting Sanchez as very small?

- He already lives in london, hes already played at Barca and cant see where he could find space to play for ex. Real with their attacking options...

So unless he wants to go to Bayern og Psg - Id say Chelsea or City could quite possibly be able to get him. Unless he stays at Arsenal which i think is very unlikely.

And Godin is just that good. He would do nicely to fill in for any of our cbs with many european games next year, kinda like when Real bought Carvalho from us at 32 years old...
And agree with Moe, Stefan de Vrij would be a good addition.

-I´d prefer De Sciglio but both players would suit the team for sure.
We must be prepared for Tottenham.. Two towering CMs and Kante can do the job. I wish Chalobah/Matic/Kante or RLC/Matic/Kante would do the job otherwise we get Bakoyoko.

Imo Sanchez, Bakoyoko and Antonio will do. Christensen, Zouma should be enough back up fir next season.
Moe - Our back-up CB's next season Zouma , Ake , Christensen...I doubt we will need De Vrij anymore.

Anyways our first back-3 will be Azip-Luiz-Cahill for atleast couple of seasons more and we have 3 very good back-up for each of them.

Other upgrades you mentioned will make perfect sense.
I don't see Conte keeping Zouma though. I think his going to prefer De Vrij who more comfortable playing in a back 3 and is defensively solid compared to Zouma who has got a lot to learn.
Why did we even sign Batshuayi? He doesn't even play, embarrassing loss of money, he's actually decent, but we don't play him.
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Whom should we have signed? We needed a striker.
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Someone who we actually pay and if we weren't gonna play him much, not one costing 30 million..
How is he even a loss of money? Not even Torres can be considered such.
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Is this last season of his life or is he 30+ to worry about? No European football and with 1 week per game. Conte has too many fit starters with more than enough breaks to worry about rotation now.

Let say if he starts next game and unfortunately if we lose or draw that game to give our rivals a ray of hope..Media and fans will sit on his neck and kill him. If he does not game time even next season it would be concerning, because he started two FA cup games before we played united...But when Cesc is finding hard to get game time you know other can wait.
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He is still so young, best thing he should be loaned and I'm sure he will come out good
I think the issue is lack of games Chelsea have had available.

Actually Batman played 3 games straight in the start of the season, where he scored twice and assisted Costa for a winning goal.

But like Baz pointed out, you got cesc on the bench and players like Pedro etc. So it would be hard for anyone to break in. Hes only 23, I really hope he stays, next season will produce more opportunities.
Why haven't Atletico not sold Griezmann already? He doesn't even convert penalties, always flops in big moments /s
No need to loan. Next year UCL there'll be more rotation and hed play somehow
I don't think Conte trusts him enough, lack of games is honestly not an excuse to keep him on the bench even when up by 2 goals.

He might still be here next season, but for sure another striker will be signed.
Conte stated already that Costa form and the physicality of the league had made it difficult for him to get games. Now I'm sure that Conte doesn't trust him all to well either, or else he would have gotten more minutes when Costa was out.

I can see Conte replacing him this summer and going for Morata or even Alexis Sanchez.
Its a bit annoying to continually have managers that never rotate te squad. But we are first. So cant complain lol
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Yes but too much rotation will distablise the team unless if we were having frequent midweek matches which will happen next season.
Moe66 -Sanchez is the DREAM signing for us - would be absolutely perfect. Can fill in as striker - 9&10 positions plus winger spot. Get it done Roman!
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Raj that's because you had less games this season. If you guys were playing in Europe he would be forced to rotate
yeah ok

http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/24/chelsea-agree-to-sign-neymar-in-155-5m-deal-but-antonio-conte-blocks-transfer-6530839/
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Pls Dnt post Metro news on this site lol
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So I saw a debate going on on the United Forum about who's a DM or CM at Chelsea.

This is my stance,

Nemanja Matic is our DM.
N'Golo Kanté is our CM.

Now, the system we play demands an equally attacking contribution as Defensive contribution...so i see why some might think Kante is a DM.

What do y'all think?
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I would call Kante a B2B/Destroyer. To me:

DM = Someone who acts as an anchor, and stalls the oppponent's attack (Matic)

CM = Someone who receives and distributes the ball, dictating the tempo of the game (Fabregas)

B2B = Pressing, running and getting tackles in, while also making runs forward when needed. (Kante)
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From Conte's interview you can see that Kante plays more as CM/B2B . that's why conte says he was kante to improve on his forward pass than doing more of sideways passes .
+1
Central midfielder is a generic position to me. I know FIFA distinguishes Central midfielder as someone who can do both but CM is just a position. Defensive midfielder or attracting midfielder is more of an Adjective I guess. So the question you have to ask is what type of central midfielders are Matic or Kante. Why do managers play them? The answer is clear. Its because of their defensive contribution. Yes they join in the attack but the adjective to describe them both are defensive. Pogba sometimes plays deeper than Kante but does that make him a defensive midfielder? No, he is an attacking player and Managers play him because of his attacking skill. Just my two cents.
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I think it is down to what role they are performing in the team. Maybe, Matic is best as cover, and maybe the same maybe true of Kante. That being said, that is not the role they play in the 3-4-3. Both play as box-to-box midfielders, while bringing different positives to the team. It is this reason which keeps Cesc out of the first choice team.

Categorising both of them as DMs is simplistic. As a parallel, Victor Moses is a winger, but he is not playing as a winger in the 3-4-3.
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Savage explained it very well.

Many call likes of Pogba & Yaya complete midfielders because they contribute in attack and defense. But the same does not applies to Kante who contribution is immense in defense and also basically wins the ball back for almost all our attacks.

Just because he does not have flashy hairstyle and tries to play eye catching balls makes people think he just contributes in defense.
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But how can Matic be the DM wgen he's got more assists than Kante? Every time I've seen them play it looks to me that they play very similar roles but their style is what makes it look different. It's very difficult to classify one as the DM and the other as a CM when they're both in the pitch but easier when one of them is playing.
+1
Lol there goes that defensive trigger word again. Kante's playstyle is definitely box to box, but i think his contribution is to win the ball back. I think Conte once said he wants Kante to play more forward passes but I do know he starts a lot of attacks (think of the goal hazard scored recently, I forget against which team but it was an away game), and that was the same with Leicester, and why they were so good on the break, win the ball back and get it forward. I don't think he's as good going forward as he is defending but it's fair to say he does both as a B2B.
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Cmon guys. Kante and Matic are defensive midfielders. I can't believe this is being debated.
Yaldho read Liquidator's comment.
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Yaldo I don't think anyone is debating his qualities in defense are better than going forward, but you also cant deny he's a box to box, he covers every blade of grass. We already know he wins the ball more than he scores or sets up teammates.
+2
Ok, I don't get it then. Yes he is a box to box midfielder but his main job is to defend and win the ball back. Pogba is a box to box midfielder too but he is an attacking midfielder imo. So when some say Kante and Matic are not defensive players , I'm dumbfounded. I really am. Chelsea play with two defensive midfielders who have the freedoms to get forward because of the system.
Yaldho you're technically right, but it's too vague to group two completely different players in Matic and Kante under the same label "Defensive midfielder". Probably like saying since both Pogba and Mata are attackers and midfielders they're "AMs". Yes they are defensive but 'DM' is not completely literal; it refers (at least to me) the Matic role. And AM refers to the Mata (#10) role. If that makes sense.
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Ofcousre, Matic is more of a holding player and Kante is more box to box but this debate started with a Cheese fan saying Chelsea don't have any defensive midfielders. My point was that is just completely wrong.

And yes, I consider Pogba and Mata a attacking midfielders. One is more of a playmaker whereas the other is more box to box.
Why is this even a argument, Kantes playstyle is so diverse you can't pin him to just one style of player. Given whatever instruction he would excel.
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Matic: Defensive Midfielder

Kante: Box2Box

It really is that simple
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Yea but both of them are defensive minded midfielders.
Players like cesc, lamps, pogba are midfielders that contribute more to attack with goals and assists.

Kante and Matic are tacklers/ball winners. They are a huge part as to why our defense has been amazing this year
^^ Bro, a CM can have good defensive contributions. Would you consider Essien as a DM?

Kante's profile is that of a CM. A number 8 who helps out the number 6 but has the freedom to go from his box to the opposition's box. Just because he's good at destroying doesn't mean he's a DM.
+4
Kante who covers every blade of the grass is Box to Box and not DM.

Mikel was a proper DM who would hardly chase anyone or get into opponents box
+2
There ya go^

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Kante- Ball winning midfielder (in FM terminology) playing in centre-mid(generic position), not defensive mid(another generic position).
Looking at the table its easy to see that consistency has been the driving force towards the title. We have won 22 games which looks impressive and far removed from our direct rivals but that doesn't tell the whole story. If we break the table down to home and away games thwn things get very interesting. I will just focus on the big 6 here;

HOME FORM TABLE
PL W D L GD PT
TOT 15 13 2 0 27 41
CHE 13 12 0 1 28 36
EVE 15 10 4 1 24 34
LIV 14 10 3 1 23 33
ARS 13 9 2 2 13 29
BUR 14 9 2 3 10 29

Thats pretty self explanatory. City and United come in 8th and 9th under West Brom. Tottenham look formidable at home and even if we win our 2 games in hand we'd still be tied on same points.

AWAY FORM TABLE

P W D L GD PT
CHE 15 10 3 2 10 33
MCI 14 10 0 4 14 30
MUN 13 8 3 2 9 27
LIV 15 6 5 4 2 23
ARS 14 6 3 5 9 21
TOT 13 4 6 3 7 18

This is where the big teams have earned their money. But it is pertinent to note that Tottenham's 4 away wins is the same as Crystal Palace, West Ham, Everton and Southampton and only one more than Watford, West Brom, Swansea and Stoke who are on 3 wins each.

What one takes away from these tables is that although we seem to be running away it's still fine margins and there's no room for complacency this summer in terms of reinforcements. City and United's home form will not be as bad next season and if they managed to win 2-3 more games at home against smaller teams the table would be drastically different. We have had lucky 1 goal margin wins vs West Brom, Stoke, West Ham, Tottenham etc but lady luck may not be feeling as generous next season.

Having said that I think for hus first season in charge Conte has been absolutely amazing. I really enjoy the fact that he is so flexible and switches formation where necessary. A prime example being our recent match where we saw 3-4-3, 3-5-2 and 4-2-3-1 to win a game where other's would have shored up and accept a respectable point at Stoke who put in their "Stokest" performance of the season which would make Pulis proud of his legacy. Also draws at Burnley, Swansea and especially Liverpool could easily have been wins to further increase the gap.

In a nutshell,home form is the most important factor in a title winning side. SB in turning into a fortress as was the case in the past title winning seasons and long may it continue.

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We've always been strong at the Bridge since the beginning of the Roman Empire. Now this gives room for concern as we'll be moving away from the bridge temporarily for up to 2 years if not 3. How will our home games be like? I think these are some questions the club need to address when picking a temp home
U have a point and most teams who've moved to a new stadium have always seemed to struggle. Move we must though for obvious reasons and its us fans especially those who attend matches regularly that can make any new temporary place we chose to play in a home.
We've gotten something like 8 or 9 draws at home, thats why we are where we are in the table. careless dropped points at home from poor finishing.
Asked if the Chinese Super League could still be an option in the summer, Costa told El Larguero: "Anything can happen. Why not? You never know. Now I'm happy at Chelsea but if tomorrow the Chinese come and Chelsea tell me I have to go, I will no longer want to stay with them."

"I did all that I could to return but it didn't happen," he added. "When Atletico had to wait for me, they didn't wait. There was still a month to go [end of transfer window] and they didn't have the patience [instead signing Kevin Gameiro from Sevilla].

"On Conte's first day, I told him that I wanted to join Atletico and he was upset with me and didn't even look at me. Luckily, I started to score goals."
So Costa will likely leave. Who are we likely to buy? Lukakau?
I really don't understand these comments, he has been fantastic and playing great. There's no need for these comments... Whatever happened between Costa and Conte has set things into stone. It's kinda sad tbh, I'm not a Chelsea fan but he is one of the best strikers in the world and it would genuinely be a piss take if he goes to China for whatever reason
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What's your source Bazinga?
It's on sky sports
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http://www.espn.co.uk/football/soccer-transfers/story/3087465/chelseas-diego-costa-not-ruling-out-china-and-tried-for-atletico-madrid-return
if atletico sell griezmann, maybe he thinks they will buy him back.
I won't be surprised if it happened. They would keep Gamerio, sell Griez and buy back Costa who's been dying to get back to Madrid. All really depends on Griez, if he chooses to stay at Atleti, than it won't happen.

Really kind of sad for Chelsea, his a lethal striker that has gotten so good and would do well in UCl under Conte but his head is elsewhere and lacks long term commitment to the club that his won 2 league titles with.
He can go, as long as he's not replaced with Lukaku.
+3
If Costa leaves and you get Lukaku to replace him, do you think that would be an upgrade or a downgrade?
100% a downgrade. And a downgrade that costs over 60m.
+8
Big downgrade.
+1
Lukaku will be perfect fit for united after Zlatan is done..He can be the next big target man upfront.

I hope we can get someone like Aubameyang or Alexis.
+1
Doesn't matter if Costa leaves Chelsea, he's obviously a top class player, but Chelsea are always able to attract the top talent in Europe/England.
+4
Alexis would be the best replacement for Diego if he leaves. Hopefully he stays and we also get Alexis lol.
+1
Hazard Costa Alexis

Conte pls.
actually, he could just be saying it because the saga is over. i missed the part where he says he is happy now but wasnt before.
I think every player would consider moving, and just because he's honest about it doesn't mean he deserves stick for it.
lets get sanchez already.. and griezman.. and dybala.. and ok lukaku can come as well
+1
We can't buy those 3 players at once its impossible . 3 of them will demand starting games which will be impossible . Sanchez and greizman will be nice.
^ Im sure Kokm1 was sarcastic :P
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Gylfi Sigurdsson is the man if we want to replace KDB. Very similar attributes with better stats.

Goals:
Gylfi 8
KDB 4

Assists:
Gylfi 11
KDB 10

Crosses:
Gylfi 213
KDB 202

Shots:
Gylfi 91
KDB 67
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I thinking about Gylfi other day...He will be very good addition and will come for decent price. But do you think he will accept anything less than starting role? I dont know where we can play him in our current system
Last Summer is posted on this forum that Sigurdsson would be a fantastic addition for us if Oscar left. I got mostly negative feedback like...he's a Spurs reject bla bla bla.

I still he can do a decent job for us as part of a midfield 5 or second Striker in the way Conte was using RLC in pre season. However I think he'll block our boys chances so not so keen on him now.
Gylfi is f****n quality anyone saying not is takin a piss.
If he aint good enough for tottenham then he aint good enough for us
+1
Yeah Im with raj, I don't believe the hype.
he is a good player but playing in swansea doesnt come with the same pressure and scrutiny (and lack of freedom, lets be honest, teams like swansea usually dont play against packed defense) as playing with a top top like chelsea.
Chelsea very interested in signing Monaco midfielder Bakayoko.
He reminds me of young Yaya Toure.
@GuillemBalague
Monaco's Bakayoko has agreed personal terms with Chelsea. Next step is for Chelsea to pay Monaco more than anybody else for the midfielder.\

good BS though :P
@GuillemBalague
Chelsea ready to bid for Neymar , after the Brazilian winger is fascinated by the pl
+1
^ well this means neymar will stay for foreseeable future :)
+1
Ahhh i like the Neymar one. How about going for MSN?
@GuillemBalague
Chelsea has signed Pele out of retirement.
+5
^ LMAO! Good one.


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