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this is too funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ5lUJm9rvw#t=62

Brendan Rodgers hahaha
the match against Man utd got me pumped all these battles
Oscar vs Mata true no.8
Fabergas vs Di Maria
Matic vs Blind
Costa(hopefully fit) vs Falcoa
Courtois vs De Gea
Forget Pogba, signs new contract extension:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/serie-paul-pogba-signs-new-juventus-contract-094517722--sow.html
Just saw your post on my wall sorry Rylan, let me know if you can make the Skype convo, cheers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2804766/Frank-Lampard-extend-Manchester-City-spell-2015.html

Frank Lampard would extend his loan even longer, possibly permanently.


FML
No source. The article is just outlining the possibilities.
Considering Yaya's dip in form and the recurring injuries to Fernando and Fernandinho I think its pretty certain Lampard will stay for longer bcos they need is goals to make up for Yaya's meagre goal return so far this season.
Posted this on the Spurs forum, but such a good goal; everyone deserves a peak.

https://twitter.com/NutmegRadio/status/525372388486443008
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Remember how much s**t we Chelsea fans received over our "plastic" support for Torres? How we would be criticized and insulted because we were "glory hunters" for "not being 100%" behind our player? How it was "kind of partially the fans fault" that he wasn't performing that well, because our lack of support was taking a toll on him?

Well, now that the shoe is on the other foot and Pool is having their issues with Balo, I can honestly say that Chelsea fans stood by Torres way longer and more earnestly than Pool fans are with Balo.

I'm not insulting Pool's fans for how they are responding to Balo, I think they are well within their right to voice their frustrations (as I've always said, fans should feel free to criticize players online, but support them in the stadium no matter what). However, the hypocrisy gets to me.

I don't think any other top team would stand behind one of their players as well or as long as we did with Torres.
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Honestly Chelsea fans are unlike any other.For the mere fact we stood behind Torres for that long,and we don't boo our former players says a lot.
It took about 2 years for the scales to tip against Torres as far as the majority of CFC supporters go. Even at the beginning when it took 9 games for him to bag his first. We don't know the whole story as to why it took 3 1/2 years to figure out Torres was a bust but I'm sure it was down to the fact that Roman insisted he be played. In his time here Torres faced 5 different managers and they all treated him as our no. 1 striker. And throughout the first 2 years despite not scoring much he received almost unanimous support.

It's tough to say why Balotelli is playing so poorly. But its quite clear that pool fans are not happy. They have a right to voice their opinions but like us when Torres was here they are bystanders only with the power to observe. They are now going through goal withdrawl having let go of one of the best strikers ever to play in England.

The part I don't get is the moral standard they hold themselves to. Accusing Chelsea of having a sugar daddy and then going out and spending £100+ mil in one TW, blaming Jose for ruining football, not wanting to hold onto Suarez because of his actions yet not bringing in a suitable replacement, suggesting that defensive football is reprehensible. Calling for Roger's head and s**ting on Balo after less than a quarter of a season. It all reaks of hypocracy and is not befitting of a group that hold themselves to such a high moral ground.
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This -> "Fans should feel free to criticize players online, but support them in the stadium no matter what"
+1000 Likes..I wish everyone on footy would think like that.
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I just read this line from a guys on gunner forum trying to protect wenger - "The real culprit is Chelsea, Man city, PSG..all those big money clubs who have bullied everyone in the market for years"

IF Big history teams were doing well in PL and fighting for Top spot year after year...will you guys complain?? I remember for few season we were struggling to make Top4...but cant remember anyone here complaining about Arsenal , Pool or united and terming them culprit for our failures.

Well it seems like blame Chelsea and City as culprits is the weapon for big history clubs to hide and protect there failure...LOL!

The award moment when you realize that neighbors Success story can actually be used as a good weapon to cover your own failure :D
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i understand you guys but can i just add that despite all of Torres's short comings (HUGE understatement but stay with me) he STILL put in a shift every time he was on, not to mention that he's quite the professional role model off the pitch.

Balotelli does neither, the guy plays like he doesn't care, look at his reaction when Liverpool scored the third vs QPR, he didn't even celebrate. The guy is pathetic to watch at times and i can 100% see why that would be irritating to their fans, hell i'd be irritated, he doesn't make runs, hold the ball, pass, track back, chase balls, put pressure, been over-selfish with the ball and the list goes on. We would do the exact same if he was our player and he played like that.

Torres was off-form and had more bad games then good, but you could tell he was at-least trying, and everyone loves a try-er. We should still be commended in the way we stuck by him, but honestly i can't see which set of fans would not cringe after seeing the way Balotelli has played (so far).

I personally think he'll be better when Stuzza returns but we'll see.
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BluFF,

Fair assessment. Though I would argue that there were plenty of times that Nando didn't exactly seem thrilled to be a Blue, through things both on and off the field.
Yh i'll agree with you there. Oh we still deserve a lot of credit for our support for Nando, i like many really wanted him to do well, and still do with Milan.

Edit: @Rylan and KGB yup, now i got you guys, and true that.
You make fair points about the differences between Nando and Balo Bluff. The point KGB is making isn't neccessarily about the individual players as much as it is about the behavior of the fans. For the most part we kept our problems internal as a fan base. Whereas pool fans are lashing out at other teams as the reason for there failures. We didn't even blame Liverpool for selling us the ghost of Torres. We chalked it up to a mistake in not doing a full proper medical and forcing the transfer through hastily. All down to our own medical and management staff's failure and mostly Roman's desire to have such a coveted player.

And if we want to bring Arsenal into the mix, well they haven't exactly been keeping their problems internal either. Away fans at the Bridge booing Cesc. When it was Wenger who turned down the opportunity to bring him back. Its all so misguided that we as Chelsea fans just have to sit back and laugh.

Liverpool, United and Arsenal all in turmoil and they only have themselves to blame yet they choose to focus on the teams that are doing a good job and call us cheaters and the ruiners of football. When actually they didn't have the forsight to see the evolution of the game happening right in front of them.
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@Bazinga: That's pretty ignorant actually mate, I've been watching football for a long time and I'm guessing you haven't. Anyone who has will be able to tell you the massive difference in both the transfer market and wages of the players these days, as opposed to about 10-15 years ago. That's not just due to an increase in media coverage regarding the sport and the relevant sponsors this attracts, it's due to the rise of mega rich clubs. When clubs saw the kind of money these clubs were willing to throw at top top talent, the prices in the transfer market skyrocketed, effectively preventing other clubs from being able to get their hands on the future star players. This affected many clubs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc all were unable to compete in the market if one of the big boys REALLY wanted a player, they were simply destined for one of those clubs. On top of this, they couldn't compete with the wages offered by other clubs and Arsenal in particular, fell prey to this due to the Stadium being financed. Viera, RVP, Nasri, Clichy, Cole, Henry, Fabregas, just some of the top players who have left us over the years. Notice something? They all went to the rich clubs who could offer them not only much higher wages but glory as well. And why could they offer glory? Because they had expended a great deal over a short period of time to build a great side that can win trophies, something that Arsenal could not afford to do.

Now it's all well and good to say that "You should've replaced Viera" mate we tried. We almost got Yaya Toure but he followed his brother away from the club(who unfortunately left because of Gallas), Diaby is a beast but always injured, there have been very few players in the last 10 years on the transfer market, that were as good as Viera. Look at more recent times, we lost Nasri and bid on Hazard but we couldn't afford to match Chelsea's bid, same goes for Mata, we couldn't afford to compete. Just think about that for a second, we have bid on great players, they have gone elsewhere. We even bid on Suarez but Liverpool(recently with much more money) outbid us there too. City have purchased half our squad offering them much higher wages(at least double for Nasri). You think that doesn't damage a club? You'd have to have rocks in your head to think that. You just have to look at recent times to realise the damage it causes, Tottenham unable to hold onto Bale, Liverpool unable to keep Suarez, Arsenal unable to keep RVP. Look what it did to each team. You can argue that they were well paid for the player(Arsenal weren't) and that they can re-invest it. Of course they can but you've still lost an incredible player with the "WOW" factor and that's very very hard to replace.

What's made the league more competitive recently and will continue to do so, is nothing to do with FFP, it's the increasing growth of football academies in England, Southampton is a prime example of this. Clubs like Villa, Arsenal etc also have great youth products coming through and what this does is allow all teams to purchase promising young players to develop for the future. It means the effects will take time but they will occur eventually.

You recall a time when Chelsea were struggling to make the top 4, that was when they were still buying players to form the super squad you see today, that's natural for a team that's needing time to gel. It doesn't change the fact that in a few short years Chelsea went from obscurity to one of the best teams in the world, that took money. You remember them struggling for top 4, I remember them fighting in the 3rd division, I'll bet you don't. I'll bet you'd never even heard of Chelsea then. I don't hate Chelsea or City for being rich, some team had to end up with the money and if it had been Middlesborough for example, you'd be supporting them not Chelsea. It's also true that these days Chelsea aren't really the ones throwing a lot of money at players except on occasion but unfortunately other teams still are(Madrid, Monaco, PSG), and therefore, the problem still exists for less fortunate clubs, most recently with Napoli blocking us from getting Higuain. I mean, could you really see any team other than the really rich ones, being able to land a player like Bale? Or Neymar? Cavani etc? Hell even United had to pay a monstrous sum just to LOAN Falcao.... And if you think loaning a heap of good players is a solution, Google "Leeds United" and see what happened to them. Hopefully in time the new sponsorship deals will bear fruit but it will be a little while yet, anybody who knows anything about finance will tell you that any new windfalls take time to produce.

I am not however ignorant of the fact that the rise of super rich clubs has severely dented the hopes of lesser teams in the transfer market and in the ability to hold onto their players, you'd have to be very thick to not realise the immense impact this has had. There are other factors sure but this is one of the major reasons. Sorry for the long post Chelsea fans but ill-informed mockery of other clubs really gets to me.
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Even after winning back to back PL titles in 05/06 we still weren't considered an elite club. It took winning the CL to earn any respect. We've had our setbacks. Some of our players have not been model citizens off the pitch but we've embraced almost all of them whether they achieve our large expectations or not, even when they score against us. Not many clubs show the same reverance for all of its players, past and present.
I considered you an elite club since the time you won the PL scoring about 100 goals in the process!! I just hate when people think the club didn't have an impact and indeed continue to have an impact, on lesser clubs being able to afford new players and even keep their own stars. They're not the only ones who did but they are if you will, the pioneers of this. I may be wrong but I think Chelsea were the 1st club to have a billionaire owner which in turn inspired other rich business men to partake. Although in saying that, Barcelona has had the approval of the Spanish Government itself for many a year now.
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Wow thats a long post Zlich..It took me some time to digest everything :)
Here is my opinion.

I started of supporting Chelsea only because i started following footall in 2005 when they were doing awesome and ofcourse the likes Lampard's and Drogba's had equal impact in attracting me......It took me few seasons to even realize that we have rich owner :D and trust me it was not something that interested me anyways.

Based on what i have learnt over the years by reading blog's etc....Chelsea was a decent midtable team and the Top four was ruled by Pool, united and Arsenal....For Chelsea to move to next level they needed a solid investment to attract star players...Like Everton and Spurs have been trying to do for some time now without any success...Its is not a crime for a midtable team to dream big and luckily we got Roman who passionate enough to do his best for taking us to top level.

Once we were established as one of the top club in Europe...there was no need to for us to spill money like before to buy stars...likes of Hazard , Costa and Cesc did not join us for money...they joined us because we have better plans and the mentality to win trophies year after year..Aprt from Torres and Sheva we have actaully never splashed mad money on any players....30 - 35m is what you guys payed for likes of Ozil and Alexi...which more or less the same money we payed for Cesc and Costa.

especially last 2 seasons..our transfer policy as been nothing but awesome..

why do you think likes of RVP,Song, Cesc, Nasri , Henry(for CL), Sagana etc...moved out ?? they are not machines right..they are humans and they do have ambitions to win something before retiring.....you guys sold more than dozen quality players to direct rivals for big money and blame them for doing good??

Talking about that academy.. Arsenal are good at bring academy players??..atleast not since i have known..because from what i have watched I dont think there is anyone apart from Jack who is your acadmey players in current 11. Infact Chelsea have better acadmey right now with lots of young talents coming in.

I'm 100% confident that we have enough stability here at Chelsea to sustain any financial situation if Roman ever decides to leave...if will even say that we are best run club in Eng right now....I'm not saying that we did it the right way, but we are going in the right way now for sure.

Handover the entire Arsenal Squad to Jose with the same budget you guys have..I will bet a million $ that he will take you guys to the place we are right now.

Sorry for that long post, but my point again is - "Culprit for your failure is one and only you" we are not leaving in a ideal world to give same easy win's to history clubs and let them dominating the league for ever...things will changes they better deal with it or suffer.
It took me few seasons to even realize that we have rich owner :D and trust me it was not something that interested me anyways.

No, but you started supporting them because they were winning. Ergo if it had been Middlesborough that got the rich owner and they started winning, you'd support Middlesborough.

Decent midtable team? Mate they were in Division 2, constantly winning it and being relegated from the Premier division time and again. Attempting to develop Stamford Bridge nearly bankrupted the club in the 1970s(they sold off the attempted East End development) and despite financial issues, spent big under Ruud Gullit to bring them back from the brink by bringing in players like Zola, Bridge, Vialli, Lebouef etc. You might not know it but in the 80s, Chelsea did precisely what you're laughing at Arsenal for doing, sold off their star players in order to keep the club afloat finanically. They were relegated and then spent big, again nearly bankrupting the club and it wasn't till Roman Abramovich bought the club in 2003 and paid of the 80million debt from his own pocket, that everything was happy days again. Think about that for second: 80 million debt when the WHOLE club was worth 100 million... That's a huge debt for those times. Learn about the history of your own club. Without Roman, your club would've been bankrupt mate or paying off a huge amount of debt. To give you an idea of the enormity of Roman's impact, he bought the entire club for 140 million. He then spent 100 million on players when the previous year, you had spent 26 million and gotten into debt.

Wake up, players like Hazard joined for the wages and because you are successful. Why are you successful? Because you spent big and created a super team, which we can't do. Players like RVP, Song, Nasri etc all left us because rich teams which had spent big to make their initial success, have more sustainablility than less rich teams. And I've already said that we're starting to have more buying power now with the new sponsorship deals and in a few seasons time this will be more evident in our transfer dealings. Can you tell me who the previous top transfer expenditure for Arsenal was before Alexis and Ozil? Arshavin for 16 mil, how many top level players have you bought for 16mil mate? Not many I'd wager.

Regarding the academy, again you're ignorant. Yeh sure, players like Fabregas were initially trained elsewhere but through the academy teachings as young players has come Wilshere, Ramsey, Walcott, Gibbs, Ashley Cole, Andy Cole, Tony Adams, Keown, Merson, Parlour, I could go on but you get the point. Do some research next time. Yeh lately it's not great but that's where the other academies in England come in to the picture, providing young talent to less rich teams in future years time.

Pretty sure you don't have the stability if Roman leaves, purely because you won't be able to afford the contracts ie wages of the players. I suppose you think that they'll play anyway yeh? For 80k a week?

And since you're so sure that Jose could do better, tell me this. Why is it that Jose has never once chosen to manage a team where he wasn't given access to large funds? Simply put, he'd never choose to restrain himself in that way and I doubt he'd do a good job, especially not in the last 10 years when our spending budget has been maybe as low as 30 million.

You seem to be operating on the principles that I hate Chelsea for doing this. I don't I simply disapprove of people quoting fans of other pages and laughing at them, especially when they don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about. Make sure you research before giving me a lecture next time, it's pretty evident you don't really know what you're talking about and your conclusion makes no sense at all.
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LOL!! yes ofcourse not everyone can be die hard fan bro...yes if Middlesborough were doing well...i might be supporting them because thhat is not a crime right?? they have every right to have fans right??? or only history clubs should have fans ?? Middlesborough cannot have fans??

I dont give a damn about what happened im 1970..because i was not even born....why would i care about in which disvision my club was to start supporting them?? all i care is how my club is doing right now......i only know some history because people talk about it sometimes.

why does it hurt people if Roman is paying for his pocket anyways?? his pocket his money his club..period.

Wakeup Zlich...please stop point figures towards players and remembere your greedy club sold the same players for making money to direct rivals...Arsenal are not selling players for free right???? yes Hazard came for higher wages....dont tell me that people should die in your current company because of loyalty and never move to a bigger company which offers better wages and offers....Players have every right to chose what they want. Nobody will read history and chose club, they live in presenta and what they get .

Inter never offered Jose massive funds..and he did win everything there, you can have a look and Inter do not even spend like Arsenal.

My principle is not that you hate chelsea...it is that History club fans cannot digest the fact that we are doing good and well ahead of them...so obviously they try to cover there inablility by pointing at our mistake...when they have zillions of issues of there own.

I hate history club fans because they see us supporting Chelsea as crime..they call us chelshi*T, they call us plastic what not?? Do we have any sh*t name for them?? no i dont think we have..because dont give a damn about others
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Question - Can you please tell me how a person to should decide which club he should support..because nobody is born with club name sealed on there head.

so if you go by your rules..people should read history and find how the club was doing 1970's when they were not born and then decide to opt the club they want to follow??

So a young guy from Belgium who is a Hazard fan does not have right to support chelsea because our history is poor.

i pretty sure there is a reason why clubs do pre-season around the world...if im not wrong it is to attract fans with start power in the team and build a fan base...if people go by history rule. Chelsea and city should not have pre-season since they dont have history and rights to attacks fans
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There are several things I'd like to say to you but can't as a mod. You're extremely arrogant, ignorant and rude. I would've thought most passionate fans would want to know a bit about their history and how their club came to be. I didn't diss Chelsea, I sought to explain to you how the rise of rich owners has affected the league today and you laughed in my face. I shan't try and share any knowledge with you again, just keep watching the shiny ball zoom around the pitch mate, I'll have intelligent conversations with users like Chelsea61, Ethio, Ayyam etc instead.

Next time I'll just give you an official warning for quoting users of other teams and mocking them on your page, instead of trying to help you see their side of it.

And yes, you have plenty of offensive names for other teams, along with the Chelsea ones, I remove them all over the site.

I won't respond to your reply, it's a waste of my time.
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REDZONE that's just cause of the clubs recent success..if you we're not winning trophies and players left. Stamford bridge would boo them straight to hell
'You recall a time when Chelsea were struggling to make the top 4, that was when they were still buying players to form the super squad you see today, that's natural for a team that's needing time to gel. It doesn't change the fact that in a few short years Chelsea went from obscurity to one of the best teams in the world, that took money. You remember them struggling for top 4, I remember them fighting in the 3rd division, I'll bet you don't. I'll bet you'd never even heard of Chelsea then.'

That is exactly the kind of moral high ground Zilch, that I am sure you do not want to advertise as being on. Why should it matter when a fan started following a particular club, and what his or her reasons were?

The obscurity comment is some A grade BS. Can you define what your metric for a short time is? Chelsea was winning cups within a decade of being promoted to the top division in 89, and was playing CL football (albeit not regularly) about half a decade before Roman's money.

And all this talk of Hazard and Mata and Toure, etc. Arsenal was unfortunate in that the big financial boom happened when their hands were tied. You could say, they picked the worst time to move stadiums. You could also say, that 23m for Mata on 56k a week is an absolute bargain, for what he did at Chelsea in the 2 years he was here. You could also say, that one signing like that every season, and NONE of your elite players would have left. But, it is the big money spender's fault, lol.

Liverpool have struggled to be elite like they were in the 80s, and they have thrown plenty of money at trying to get back there. They finally got a break with Suarez's signing, who pushed them into the upper echelons again. Are you saying, the other clubs should just wait all that while, and let these 'old giants' reclaim their glory, and cheer them on? Clubs rise and fall, Chelsea will too, maybe 50 years down the line, maybe 10.

And by your definition, because I was born in 83, I should have been a United or Arsenal fan, because my Chelsea was struggling in the 3rd division. Amazing really.
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Zlich - I'm not saying im right and your wrong..all i did was answer to the questions to give my opinion.

please read the comments carefullly before calling arrogant, ignorant and rude...because you were then one who started being rude by asking me to wakeup and saying im giving lecture to you.

Yes, I realized that there is now way you can answer my questions because it would prove all wrong points you made.

Yes please have intelligent conversation for other good users....because nobody will go against you anyways,I'm not people who blindly follow you because of the MOD fear will never speak.....I made that mistake today thinking it was discussion and endedup getting into trouble with MOD.

Read your comments above carefully again and delete my account if you can prove that all points you made were right i was the one who started being rude.

I would not be rude if i accepted all you said..if thats the definition of rude..then please delete the account and use your power. Because, I will never give up protecting my club from jab's form rivals even if its MOD
Zilch, at 2005 Chelsea were not "winning" as you say. We won two top flight trophies, finally, but winning implies that we were constantly fighting for trophies which we were not. If Bazinga was a glory hunter he would have gone to ManU who were raking in trophies by that time. In fact, most Cheslea supporters probably started supporting because their favourite players were being bought by Chelsea in those years because we were buying so many players from around the world. I know way too many Arsenal fans to count who became so because of Henry so the whole glory hunter thing doesn't make sense and is an outdated and ignorant insult anyway. I became a fan in 1998 when Desailly (the French Ghanaian was bought, further solidifying my love for Chelsea when they scooped up Essien in 2006).

I'm glad you did a wiki search on our history, but that doesn't make you a lecturer either so get off your high horse. Chelsea have considerably stabilized their transfer policy since Torres so find something else to beef about. What's done is done and now the EPL is the most competitive league.

Jose won the Champion's League with Porto before he came to Chelsea and they weren't exactly swimming in cash and Inter were far from a Sugar daddy club as well. Also the players you listed who came out of your academy are hardly anything to brag about on an international level and are super overrated because they are British.

Also people were going in on the transfer fees before Chelsea came in and started spending big. Have you forgotten the 28 mill ManU paid for Veron or the 27 mill paid for Rio Ferdinand? That was in 2002. We all can agree that Chelsea did the so called damage when Roman came in and bought several headlining transfers all at once versus one at a time like everyone else.

You forgot Santi Carzola for 20 million and he was after Arshavin. :)

Finally, who are these lesser clubs you speak of that have been so affected by us? And when did you become an Arsenal fan, mate?
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Bazinga's original post was about an Arsenal fan blaming their diminished success due to our spending. Somehow it evolved to Chelsea's less illustrious history and then degraded to why we support Chelsea.

Back to the original topic, Arsenal failed to adapt to the new competition and our financial muscle(with abaramovich's money). Simple.

Edit: No doubt the inflation of the market restricted Arsenal's dealings. But imo, Arsenal has a bigger problem than that. They did not hold on to their bigger stars. Example: Sagna. He was one of their most important player last season. I think he left because the club did not increase his wages. We only let players go when the offer is outrageous(Luiz,mata), or we did not need them(Lampard,cole). Imagine Arsenal holding on to their stars. Formidable.
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kbg - Please read all my posts and let me know if i was rude or trying to make a point....sorry KBG, but its incredible how much sh*t people speak about our club day in day out on all forum and when we try to protect us in our own froum it becomes rude.

Kindly review everything and feel free to delete my account if i have said anything wrong.

..so Chelsea were in the 3rd division. So what? Arsenal were called Woolwich, and did not play in North London. So what? What does that have anything to do with being a fan of a club in 2014?

Sure, if Chelsea were in the place of Acrington Stanley, we all probably would not be supporting Chelsea, unless if we were the local supporters.

And please stop calling people ignorant because they might not know as much as you do. It really sounds bad coming from a responsible mod such as you. Not everyone can know everything.
Mikel, Malouda, Ivanovic, Cahill, Azpilicueta all purchased for under £16 mil just the guys I could think of off the top of my head. All players crucial to past and present success. And yes we pay our players well. That's how you keep them on the team. But we're not dropping £300k/wk on anyone. Isn't Wenger the highest paid manager in the PL right now? Yet Arsenal won't give RVP a raise, they'll just let him go help a rival win the title. The deliberate tactic to save money blew up in Wengers face. It's put Arsenal in the position they are now. But you won't hear me complain about because I have no ties to Arsenal. If I were somehow a fan I'd be steaming at the last decade. All the prestige they gained from being such a prolific club was wasted by being frugal.
Thank you Blues..I'm proud to be a blue.

Trust me was have one of the best forum on footy along with city and to an extent united...atleast since last couple of years. Honestly, If there is anyone talking a bit of crap on this forum it would be myself and very few others short tempered guys ...Or else it is mostly used for talks about our strengths and weakness.

If my account stays after this..I would just give a visit when im free to follow the news, or else i would prefer staying away for the forum to avoid non-sense like this.

I will come back again the day we win the PL!! Blue is the color..Chelsea for ever!!

Sorryz I was in a meeting Liquid. For the first part, bear in mind that my reply is spurrd by hia derision and you know I don't feel that way about Arsenal or Chelsea. I frequently remind the guys on AFC forum that Arsenal are not a team that's ever won tons of trophies consistently.

Perhaps obscurity was the wrong word. I was referring to the fact they were basically fighting hard to stay above midtable, winning a few FA Cups before the transformation that saw them win the league in just a few years, repeated by City a little while later.

His original post was mocking Arsenal fans actually, something he's done plenty of times before.

Like I said no worries, next time I'll just give out a warning, it's no problem.
Geekwhu: the wages sadly comes down to the attempt to improve overall structure, I did say that there are other factors that have affected teams, my original post was an attempt to educate someone who was being derisive towards a club on a subject he wasn't informed upon. I never once said we shouldn't have adapted, I stated the effect it had. That seems to be a difficult point to accept for some, that I genuinely don't blame Chelsea, some club was bound to end up with the money, might as well be them.

Rylan I'm not disagreeing with these points, I'm showing the effect they had.

Edit: Ghanakid, no wiki search required, I'm old and have plenty of friends who support Chelsea and can tell me these things.
there is truth in that Market inflation caused by spending Clubs is a major reason why some clubs like Liverpool Spurs and Arsenal weren't as active in the Market and lost some Key players in recent years, (even to Chelsea recently since we are meeting FFP and we couldn't sign players we pursuing like Neymar, Hulk, Cavani, Falcao and Pogba)

its just a fact that arrival of Roman Abramovich was a start of new era in football ( Sheikh Mansour, Rybolovlev in Monaco,Al Hasawi, Qatar Sports Investments and even Fenway Sports Group for Liverpool) but I'm happy with the fact he bought the club for around £140m and continued to invest his own money to make Chelsea 6th most valued football club in the world to the point he doesn't need to invest anymore and the club is self-sustained Roman is best thing to happen for Chelsea and English football
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Bazinga, mate I don't care that I'm a mod, you can still disagree with me just have a proper discussion instead of laughing at my points. My initial post was because you were mocking other teams fans, that's against site rules, next time if you prefer I will just warn you and be done with it. I hate giving out warnings, I'd rather have a good debate anyday and jumping in means that other teams fans won't go on the attack cos of a mod presence. Yeh ok, maybe I chose a few words badly but have a proper discussion, don't just laugh in my face, I tried to explain to you the actual effects its had since that's what you were mocking.

Phenom: I agree with everything you've said.
Am the arsenal fan who posted that comment and i stand by it. Think about it for a second. If Chelsea had come into the market and just been competitive it would have given many players an actual choice of where they really want to play. But Chelsea we're not competitive they we're dominant. Trying to turn it into a complete monopoly. This made Chelsea the top destination in London for all top players.

It's like zilch is trying to tell you..Chelsea's approach to the market changed everything. Players started asking why remain loyal? Why am i not making that 3 times what am currently earning. Because of this the tide turn against us in a time where we needed to be very strict with our spending. This approach that Roman had led to other Mega rich owners joining in the fun. PSG forced us out of the french market, Man city bought our star players..Your club among other's could spend money Arsenal simply couldn't..
Bazinga mate I spend every day checking the forums for such comments about Chelsea and every other club and for every one of them I miss, I apologise. But don't make my job harder please, I'd rather have a heated debate about the original post than issue any warnings, I can't stress enough how much I hate doing that. I had a nice long argument with a prominent Real Madrid member the other day who insisted mods should be tougher in their approach and didn't like that I disagreed.
Peterze - you're suggesting that the profit motive in football originated with Abramovich's purchase of Chelea? People have always been looking to make money and their has always been a financial disparity. Don't act like your club success was founded on hard work and unbridled loyalty. Are you suggesting that money was not a consideration ? Having a laff
Lol who gives a f**k which team you support...who gives a f**k what happened in the 80's.
If you like a club support it. You dont need to justify supporting a club. I hate all these twats who hold a moral high ground becauae they support a particular club lolll
You both (Peter & Zilch) make very valid arguements. The fact is that Wenger chose not to spend, instead he made good financial moves for the shareholders and the owner. This is not wrong in a business sense, but it is in the new market of English football. Arsenal have always had the spending power but chose profit over winning. Chelsea skated on thin ice for the first few years of FFP. But they never exceeded the limit. PSG and City both decided to test the limits of FFP and both have paid for it. PSG paid a fine and City got hit with a reduced CL squad. My point being that Chelsea have continually managed to buy top players for good prices, won trophies and kept the prestige factor going which attracted talent that chose to be at CFC because of the push for success. The past summer TW was nothing short of a masterpiece by Jose, Emanelo and Roman.

As far as Arsenal are concerned, they didn't need to spend big, they just needed to show theirbest players they were worth keeping. Chelsea didn't steal any of their players. At the time when Gallas was traded for Cole it was thought of as a pretty good deal for both sides. It wasn't until Arsenal didn't get the prefered results from Gallas that they generally showed their displeasure with Cole doing well for Chelsea.

The arguement that Arsenal couldn't compete financially doesn't fly for me. Football in Europe has always had big teams that have a financial advantage but Chelsea didn't start off like this. Yes, they spent lots of money. A decade ago transfer spending was like the wild west. United had the pick of any players they wanted in England. It wasn't until Chelsea started outbidding them that things started to shift. It's not like this came out of nowhere. It's also not like Chelsea actually broke any rules or laws. We just happened to have a new owner who really wanted to win in England.

And hell yes, we dominated. What else would you expect from a man went from being a Sargeant in the Russian Army to one of the worlds most wealthy people? He didn't get there by glad handing everyone and holding himself to traditions of the past. He took it by the horns and changed the way Football as a business opperates on multiple spectrums. From hiring Jose, spending big, freeing us of our debt, to the intricate loan system. He's been one step ahead of all the other owners in England. Yet he is still viewed by most as a villan.
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Lol peter. Remember sol's move feom tottenham? Please elaborate on how you can call him an arsenal legend when he did the unthinkable in terms of being 'disloyal'?

Some of the things you guys will say to hide your club's shortcomings are insane. When you can spend 35m on sanchez, 40+ mil on ozil, you could not spend 10m on cahill when he was available?

The only people in the whole world that call diaby a beast, are arsenal fans. He has not done jack s**t to be considered good enough at this level. Get real.
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Too many long posts I couldn't go through all of them..sorry guys :P.

But I will add my 2 cents to the debate . ...How come BVB and Atletico succeeded despite being dominated by the 3 most talent and miney saturated clubs in the world? Lack of money is no excuse for winning one trophy in 9 years and as for Liverpool if Spurs qualified for Europe without boasting the financial clout of City who fell out of qualification that season then these money argument is dud imo
Very hard to reply since I'm meant to be running a hotel atm :(
Rylan, I agree with a lot of what you're saying but Arsenal sacrificed success for a stadium, not profit. And that's the comparison I was making because Chelsea also attempted this before Roman's time and they also could not pull it off. That was what I was trying to say. Look maybe I came into this convo too hot and I've apologised for that but patrolling forums for flamebait is something that takes up an awful lot of my time so maybe I get a bit passionate about it.

Naija, Athletico are such a wonderful success story, they had great depth from their academy to pull it off and a good amount of veterans to guide the ship. They had to make some pretty radical deals to secure the likes of Villa mind you. Dortmund however are widely recognised as having one of the best academies in Europe and that's why they succeeded but if you look at it now, with more and more of their youth products being bought by big clubs, they are starting to dwindle and the gap between the well funded Bayern Munich and themselves, is growing.

Spurs didn't exactly last long in the CL though mate, 1 season only and one spectacular game only.
Luquidator your comparing money earned through years of success to money injected in a few months. Arsenal we're doing the double back then, Sol came to us because we could afford him after decades of hard work to achieve our status. What brought guy's like Shevchenko to chelsea? or cashley cole? Drogba? they saw times are changing. Are you trying to deny that Roman didn't change the way teams operate in the market..The inflation in the market was significant because of him. When the others joined it it crippled the ability of clubs run by their own means

Lump of Celery why do you think Tony Adams has a statue. His hard work and loyalty helped us transition from Graham's era to Wenger's era. You should be having a laugh if your overlooking the significance of Roman's spending all these years to force success at Chelsea. Yes big money has been spent at AFC just like any other club for the sake of success e.g the stadium..But Roman has spent the type of money teams use to build stadiums on players..seriously how is that fair. We're not operating by the same set of rules..is all i've been trying to point out to you
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This is very funny. Before the era of roman, this thing so called financial gap were already exist. In the past, only club with good/awesome historical able to do big purchases where the rest of others (so called less rich historical club) struggling because every years their good players always went to those big clubs.

It was hard to break the big clubs domination. cause the rest of the clubs just watched their player getting snub by the big boys. People thought that these players joined the big club due to their historical name, but remember that they were getting pay increment as well.

They have enjoyed so much domination and to be honest, who could compete against them? they have money and they have good history. Now, how was that fair for small or medium club? They have less historical to boost, and cant compete with money too.

It was very hard to for those non big clubs at that time, including Chelsea. Till someone like Roman, with his financial power to transfer Chelsea into the current Chelsea now. And what options did he had at that time to break the big club domination? and attract good talent? History or Money? The answer was very obvious. Was it a crime? against the rule? I don't think so. Was the market inflated? Yes, if Chelsea didn't offer higher and offer the same as the big club for sure most likely players would chose the big clubs rather than Chelsea. It was a necessary actions to bring Chelsea club forward, against big club with money and great history. Was the players disloyal choosing Chelsea over those big clubs? Or players of big clubs with great history choose club like city or Chelsea? If you said yes, than I asked you one question, how bout those players from the small club that went to big clubs because of their history and benefits and eventually became a legend? Weren't they disloyal to their origin club? Don't tell me they aren't because the choose over club with good history. That's just BS. We should thankful that people roman exist. He break the big club dominance, indirectly help those small club with talents as they are getting deal which helped them to boost their capability as they have bigger money for their academy and transfer and hence increase the competition which we are seeing now. So, stop blaming other clubs, and adapt to the changes.

Note: How did I became Chelsea fan? Well, By chance I watched Chelsea match and I like their uniform. It was during the first season of zola at Chelsea. Since then it is always blues, even though lot of my friends were crazy bout Liverpool, arsenal and mu. Does this under category of true fans? I don't know, and I don't care.
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Mylica some good insight there but don't forget the gap back then was much easier to bridge than these days, due to the massive increase in televising methods which made football such a watched sport around the world. Without the support players would be on small wages no matter what club, it's the amount of sponsorship and endorsements that it attracts these days that made the gap so staggering. And quite obviously is takes serious liquidity to be able to compete in this market. You're correct that the big 4 existed although it was created by clubs that took many years to build. But ignoring that, it was still possible to play with the big boys without a star studded lineup.

The increase in academy products these days has made it all but impossible for teams with serious depth to compete for the top placings. That's a sad truth that the even though for example, Southampton are currently kicking ass and near the top, there's no way as the season rolls on, that they will stay there due to injuries, suspensions, too many games per week etc and no awesome backup players to fill in. Chelsea and City could probably field their subs in the league and they'd do quite well.
Costa finally out of the hospital. Doubtfull for Sunday. Weird that no-one else on either Spain nor Chelsea had the same bug.

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/29742228
Marco Reus is back from injury and scored a beautiful goal for Dortmund last night...If rumors are to be believed. It seems like he is plotting a move away from Dortmund next summer..And every fu*in club is keeping a tab on them.

If we were to sign someone next season. Who would you guys prefer more Hummels or Reus??

I know its very greedy of me to imagine having a Hazard , Oscar, Cesc, Matic and Rues in midfield with Costa upfront....But this addition will take us to a different level if it ever happens...Also read that he wont be very expensive because of the contract validity.

Terry is almost the end of his career and we definitely need solid replacement like Hummels to partner Cahill next...I know Zouma is more than capable, but we need someone more established at the back before Zouma is ready to star...Also Ivan is not getting any younger to consider him as replacement for CB.

As much as i love Reus...I think replacement for Terry is the most important for us to maintain the strong defense we are known for.
Im a bigger fan of the Drax then Reus, but as far as signings go just khedira would be good enough imo
but who will you bench for Khedira ?? Matic , Cesc and Ramires are doing good enough to hold the spots.

Unless we decide to use Matic - Khedira for pivot and Cesc as CAM
yeah i want reus too, would be much easier than getting draxler but in reality i think draxler will be off to munich and reus will be off to madrid or barca.

strange since i dont think madrid or barca have room for reus so i am hoping he heads to england (manchester to be specific.. don't think he would go to city but right now they are probably still the strongest team in england on paper besides chelsea, who have hazard on that LW and probably will not go for reus).
If it were me in the drivers seat I'd offer a trade, Cech for Hummels and drop the big money on Pogba next summer. I don't think Terry will be at Chelsea much longer. And I had the same feeling about Lampard last year and it came true. It recently came out that Marina gave Terry an ultimatum to sign for lesser wages. He was literally going to be let go last summer if he didn't agree to the terms. He can make more money elsewhere if he wants it. But he doesn't have much left in the tank playing at a top level. So this is why I'd go for Hummels over Reus.
if you think you'll get the dortmund captain for chelsea's #2 keeper in a trade i think you're nuts. weidenfeller's also only 2 years younger than their current keeper, who has been in great form for the last few seasons.

pogba's contract expires in 2016. if juve do not get him to extend this year you have to imagine he's going to be sold and i dont think it will cost more than 30-40 million pound if he only has a year left on contract in the summer.
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Can anyone tell me why Ron Gourlay quits Chelsea ?!!
He is the kind of person where once he succeeds at something he likes a new challenge. He did it before Chelsea so good luck to him. Although he looks like that one boss u don't want to screw with


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