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ARSENAL VS CHELSEA 0-1: Goal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG71ERjDK3s
why would you post that :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/26436081

scroll down to the announcement at 11:23 regarding FFP.

'No clubs will be kicked out of European competition next season for breaking financial fair play rules, says Uefa president Michel Platini.

UEFA's financial fair play (FFP) policy, designed to stop clubs spending more than they generate, comes into effect next season with a maximum penalty of exclusion from European competition for those failing to comply.'

"In effect, the first decisions will be announced at the start of May," Platini told Le Parisien newspaper in an interview published on its website. "But if you are expecting blood and tears, you will be disappointed. There will be some tough things but no exclusions from European competition."
I guess we all knew this was coming.

FFP has fallen at the first hurdle, I expect they will impose a fine. Hardy a deterrent when your owner has more money than the Sahara has sand.
If the club's owners pump cash into the club, I can't see what's wrong with them spending more. It's true that a club shouldn't spend more than it can afford, but if the money comes straight from an owner's own pocket, I can hardly see anything wrong with it. In fact, that's the only way a new club can become a power house in Europe, either that or continually have their star players robbed.
You spent more money than you generated? Why not spend more in a fine...
^That's when they sell the players. They could always do a downgrade, but the value of the players would be more than enough for them to either 1) search for Fresh talents or 2) become a midtable club. But in the mean time, during the point of investment, tne would have picked up sufficient revenue from advertising, sponsors etc to maintain a Europa league place.
@LGW, you just conceded that the money is not generated by the club.

Picture this scenario:

Ronny Abraham decides, after a decade of financial backing, that he no longer wants Cheltenham FC as a play toy to show off to his millionaire chums and pulls all of his money out of the club.

The club can no longer afford the transfer fees or extortionate wages that their star players are on (all with long-term contracts by the way).

What do you think happens to a club that is leaking money faster than it can generate it?

yeah, but amongst the clubs you just mentioned, with the exception of Bayern, all the other clubs have had the star players taken from them at some stage. We lost a good number, so did Dortmund to Bayern, Madrid etc. Atletico have lost Falcao, De Gea, and Torres over the years. Liverpool have lost players themselves. And the list goes on.

Also, City and Chelsea winning the league so soon, PSG, now feared in the CL just shows that money can buy success. It'a a much shorter route anyway.
Also, that is not the only way you can become a powerhouse in Europe.

Arsenal, Dortmund, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool, Manchester Utd, Bayern Munich all generate their money through a combination of financial prudence and strong commercial deals.

They are powerhouses because of the way they play football. That comes from the management and the clubs footballing philosophies, not from a bag of money.
I'd disagree with that though. All clubs buy and sell players. It is very rare that you get a player stay at one club for their entire career.

Also it took Chelsea 7 years to win the CL since their injection of money and City have not won any European honours since the Sheikh took over back in 2007/08 (can't remember when).

And the fact remains that as soon as the owners pull out, the clubs will spiral into liquidation faster than I could finish on Jessica Alba's face.

Edit: I see FT is posting these replies out of chronological order, good luck to anyone trying to follow it :D
^Well, put it this way, without the injection of cash, they never would have made it to the title challenge. Chelsea then, were UEFA cup regulars with good players, but not title contender good. City were a midtable team at best. But with the injection of cash, they both got to where they are. Now consider this, if say Fulham had an injection of cash like Chelsea and City, would they be where they are in the league? I'd think not.

As for Chelsea's wage bill, it isn't as high as we'd imagine. I recall they're just a little above us. So if we managed to sustain, I see no reason why they can't. Of course, they can no longer buy players as they do now. Not too sure about City's finances to comment though (I have limited interest in clubs outside London).

But my point is this, the injection of cash is meant to take you to the level of power houses in a very short time. Thereafter, it's up to the club to have it's own stability. I mean, we really could do with a sugar daddy in the short term to wipe out all our debts and to get us more players.
Most of us have complained at some point, myself included that oliver giroud can't be the main striker, we need someone with more pace + technical ability(henry), but i had a flash back and i forgot about kanuuuuuuuu, he did not have the pace of henry, and i think he might have being slower than oliver giroud, but still a great player, come to think of it oliver giroud is actually doing similar things kanu did, but kanu had more technical ability, but less physical strength, who knows maybe thats y wenger got him, maybe he reminded wenger of kanu, so what do u guys think, when comparing the two, i would like to read ur opinions please.
Even if we have that Henryesque striker, we still need Giroud. Someone to hold on to the ball and get the new striker going. It'd be foolish to say Giroud will be replaced, he is still necessary.
Anyway, to answer your question, I agree with you, Giroud is similar to Kanu, but I think it's fair to say that Giroud is better with assists as compared to Kanu, but Kanu was a hell lot more clinical. Remember, 2-0 down to Chelsea, and who should pop up with a hat trick?

Kanu somehow appeared more clinical, to me, than Henry when they played together. I don't know why, a preconception maybe? But Henry was more dynamic than Kanu and definitely alot quicker. But I always felt Kanu was more clinical, dont know why tbh.
http://i.imgur.com/7sweVQw.jpg

I was looking through my closet and i found this from back in the day XD what a game haha
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I remember that!
Good times.
my favorite kit! :)
"I expected more from Real. I expected them to come storming out of the gates, but instead they waited and allowed us to run the game. That surprised me."
-Robben

That's hilarious. Real executed their game plan with near perfection, waiting for Bayern to lose the ball high up and counter. Real had three chances before half time which should've been converted, and only one was. Bayern were extremely fortunate at that stage.

The second half Real came at them much more, and had several opportunities once again. Bayern were so ineffective it was incredible. The amount of times they approached the Madrid box and ran out of ideas was countless. The two real opportunities they had late on (Muller and Gotze) came from crosses and both were dealt with by Real. That was never a penalty in a million years, but of course Muller was trying it. Every time Real grabbed the ball and injected pace into the match, they looked dangerous. This was apparently more frequent than Robben remembers.

It's one thing to be able to keep the ball, but you've got to actually do something with it. My favorite part of that quote is Robben's thought that they "controlled" the game. Real played you like a toy, you played right into their hands Arjen.
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Well said mate, I think Real played very well and should have scored at least 3 goals.
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For a second i thought that was your opinion lol
He probably meant diving when he said "controlled" mate
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haha I was just reading the same on BBC. This sounds like a bitter loser to me. Everything this guy says and does makes me dislike him.

I also read they enjoyed 72% possession last night, yet failed to do anything meaningful with it. If anything, we expected more of your team, Arjen...
pep's decision not to start off lahm on his favored RB position was a poor decision.When he subbed off rafina in place of martinez after that bayern looked sharp in the final third and it was because of lahm's pin point crosses and on one occasion he crossed to muller which near gave them an important away goal.

Real madrid double teamed arjen whenever he had ball down the right.They got their tactics spot on against him.
Robben is the new xavi
@ zilch(want to pick ur football brain)

Real in this game did basic defending, by zoning out ribery and robben influence on the game, and defending the passing lanes, unfortunate for arsenal we don't do basic defending enough. By basic defending i mean by Stopping or slowing down the other team most influential player or players by shadowing or zoning them, in that way u reduce their chances of scoring or assisting their teammates scoring. In our game against bayern we let robben play one or one against us way too much, same thing with other big teams we don't defend their best players, we let them roam free all over the pitch, what do u think if we let ox or gnabry shadow saurez, hazard, willian, lukaku e.t.c to reduce their influence or the game will that be a bad tactic for the type of way we play?
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Well we do attempt it in matches. The best example this season was when we beat Liverpool 2-0. Our strategy then was to isolate their strikers Suarez and Sturridge and we did it by cutting off the supply rather than shadow the player. Henderson was man marked by Arteta resulting in no easy passes from midfield to their strikers and it forced Liverpool to make diagonal long balls out wide for their strikers which made it easy for Mertesacker and Koscielny to push them out wide and hold them near the corner flag every time.

Our basic tactic this season has been to play cautiously and control the tempo of the match by allowing the opposition plenty of possession in areas where it's non-threatening(the midfield) rather than waste massive amounts of energy and pulling our defense out of shape by chasing down every player. What a lot of people won't realise is the importance of Ramsey and Ozil's partnership in achieving this. Regular stats won't tell you this but the 2 most frequent passes made in our play style are Mertesacker to the CDM and Ozil to Ramsey or vice versa. This partnershiip which we lacked for 3 months is crucial to us controlling the tempo of a match. Without it, we've looked less confident in midfield and as a result, have been far less dominant, allowing the opposition way more chances in matches. If you wactch both of these players are constantly calling for the ball and creating an easy passing option for their team mates, something we've missed for awhile now.

So in short it's a good way to play and it's something we do attempt but it's not always an easy thing to implement, Sagna has managed to shut out Hazard in previous matches btw. I still maintain that if for example you wanted to shut down Ronaldo, the easiest way is to cut off the supply ie Alonso and Modric's diagonal passes out wide to him, rather than attempting to man mark such a skillful player. Bayern's big mistake last night was playing Lahm at DM when he should've been at RB. You have in Madrid a team that had Ronaldo and Coentrao steaming down that wing and Boateng was simply found wanting when he had to turn and chase. Meanwhile the best RB in the world is sitting in the middle lol.
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"Our basic tactic this season has been to play cautiously and control the tempo of the match by allowing the opposition plenty of possession in areas where it's non-threatening(the midfield) rather than waste massive amounts of energy and pulling our defense out of shape by chasing down every player."

Can you explain then Zilch why we didn't do this against Liverpool and particularly Chelsea? I know we didn't have Ramsey and Ozil together, but why in the world would we squeeze up against teams like that away from home? Why didn't we give Chelsea the ball at Stamford Bridge? Why tell Gibbs and Sagna to bomb forward whenever Santi or Rosicky got hold of the ball? I can't understand why you would go all out attack, which it seemed like it was to me, with Per in a high line. It's not like we even had a midfielder who could tackle, Arteta is more often than not useless when someone gets past him.
Mate you and I both lol. Honestly I can only put it down to a few things.

1. When playing a big team at their home stadium Arsenal lack composure, probably due to not having any players in the team who know that winning feeling ie trophies.

2. Arsenal's response to this is to try and pass the ball quicker and with the lack of confidence this leads to many missed passes and individual errors, which has led to most of the goals the big teams scored on us.

3. When we go behind early, due to this lack of mentality we suddenly panic, attempt to do even more with our passing and carelessly concede again. And again.. And again..

Honestly I don't think Wenger told them to go all guns blazing in those matches, I think the players simply lost their nerve, the sheer amount of misplaced passes and errors in those games supports that theory. But trust me also, that partnership between Ozil and Ramsey is so vital to controlling the tempo of a match and in those games where we were blown off the park, veterans like Roscicky, Flamini etc should've been the calming influence on the pitch, you only have to look at the fact that NONE of the top 10 beat us at the Emirates to realise there's a real mentality problem and therefore a lack of composure away from home vs the big dogs.
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Wenger specifically said "we want goals" in his pre match interview at the Bridge if I remember correctly. That worried me as soon as he said it, and sure enough...
Well put Zilch (don't leave, you would be sorely missed.) Also in those big games especially against Chelsea we gave the ball away in the middle of the pitch on multiple occasions which is suicide no matter who you are playing. I remember Özil getting caught in possession agains Pool too right at midfield and it's just a simple counter from there. The players just seemed to lack composure in those games because we don't make mistakes like that often. If we lose the ball we do it higher up the pitch in non threatening areas.
Thanks mate :) Yeh if you go back and have a look at the stats for misplaced passes and crucially, the unforced errors in those matches by our players, the amount is about double, as well as our passing accuracy being massively down from the normal levels ie 70 - 80% instead of 85 - 93%

The biggest team improvements we can take into next season are that we have a very solid defense these days that can grind out 1-0 wins, every man on the pitch is responsible for this improvement. Giroud in particular is very helpful here because our team are so loathe to lose possession that they used to pass it out from the back even when clearing their goalbox which is very risky. With a strong CF capable of winning a long high ball, Mertesacker and Koscielny have been gleefully booting it long everytime it lands in our goal box, safe in the knowledge we'll most likely keep possession.

We also have a CF who can take a beating without being injured for half a season, when was the last time that happened? Other pluses include an asshole in the middle who doesn't mind getting stuck in and kicking people(Flamini) and the fact that we have a VERY good starting eleven. Two things to work on for next season: Our freekicks are bad, really bad. Corners we're not too bad but freekicks are just woeful. Secondly, keeping players healthy which apart from firing all the medical staff, could be alleviated by ensuring we have solid depth, I don't want us to buy world beaters, I just want some depth.

By the way if we do win the FA Cup, it may just help with this weak mentality issue.
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Yes, exactly. Hopefully if we win the FA Cup this will supply the players with a confidence boost and the belief that we can win other things.

And as far as depth goes, if you look at Flamini as an example, we don't have to spend £100 million for that depth. We just need to find those types of players who are reliable, technically sound, and have the overall skill to compete.

(Also note the £100 million dig I had at spuds.)
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Arteta should take the free kicks he had lots of good ones in his first season
Like this beauty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2rlaCPptQU&feature=kp
Dear fans,
I'm still happy about the fact that I was able to play last sunday for Arsenal. and we even won 3:0. I think that we are on the way up after a rather difficult time...
there are only two goals for the rest of the season: to be among the first four of the Premier League and to win my first title this year in the UK - the F.A. Cup! all we need is 4 x 90 minutes of full concentration and then it's all in our hands.
I can't wait to play for the first time in Wembley as a Gunner after missing the semi final due to my injury.
herewith I want to thank all who supported me during the last weeks - especially you! I constantly followed your comments on Facebook. I was really happy about all the get well soon wishes during these difficult moments.
Your Mesut
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our mesut
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Well I still remember the Capital one cup final. So I don't get my hopes high, just having faith here, with a lot of fear D:
Daneilz you bring bad memories with you away with you
>.> just being realistic, and trying not to jinx it
but you going to do it we should not talk about the finals we have f****d up :)
yep :/ so shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
If we're talking about finals, our last trophy was the FA Cup, and last time we were in the FA Cup final we won. So good omen there.
Pepe and Ramos are both down.
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http://youtu.be/5AWEPNy3tSE?t=12s
Do we play with a higher line or do Madrid?
I don't watch Real often but I would assume it's us, we try to hold the ball up field. Mertesacker and Koscielny push up and Arteta drops slightly until they're virtually playing within their own triangle in the middle of the pitch. The amount of passes between Per and Mikel is ridiculous. Against teams like Chelsea, Liverpool and Everton away we've been ripped apart with a high line when we don't have the ball.
Hmm, thing is, we don't actually look as vulnerable as Madrid do this game. Could it be due to the level of their opponents?
Well after that second half they didn't look to vulnerable at all, just one defensive mistake let Gotze in. Plus they weren't playing with a high line this match. The space between their defense and forward players in the second half was huge.
U serious pepe???
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