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Question: should clubs get disqualified for CL/Europa League for racist remark/behaviour of their fans?

What do you guys think? I think it's a very effective way to make fans think twice before committing something racist during the game.

I thought of this after I read an article about Partisan Belgrade fans putting up a anti-Semitic banner during match with spurs. Though I don't think fifa/fa/etc will do it. $$ makes the world go round.
NO, it's incredibly harsh on the players who do not condone such behaviour and have given so much in their lives to get to this level, only to be snuffed out by some random assholes acting in a disgusting manner. Imagine you're a footballer who's worked his whole career to play a Champions League match, you finally make and are disqualified because of what some random fans you will never meet did.
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I think currently the punishment is to ban sections of the fans, effectively playing behind closed doors. The club also receives a fine.

I think removing the support for the offending team is fair on the players, as Zilch pointed out. It is not like the players condoned or encouraged anything.

If you eject the club, that will surely just further enrage the racist fans, who will see it as the fault of the people they were insulting/offending in the first place. That won't stop the persecution, it will just fan the flames.

It is such a difficult issue to tackle because a lot of the issues are deeply rooted in the culture of the country. All you can do is repeatedly hit the clubs with large fines and hope that they identify the guilty parties and ban them for life.

I would be ashamed to even be stood near anyone committing such gross atrocities. If I ever witnessed it at the Emirates I would be informing stewards and taking photos on my phone to try to help identify the scum.
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I know its harsh, that's the point.

because of large amount of money involved (qualifying, tickets & other revenue for those game) it would almost certainly make clubs come down hard on those racists.

And also racism does not only come from fans. I am certain there are footballers and club managements/owners who are racist. As the recent happenings in Italian football showed.

Maybe I'm overreacting on this, I experienced this since I was young. I feel the world not doing enough to combat racism in this world because nobody care what doesnt affect them unless this kind of punishment come into place, only then everyone will realize the serousness of the problem
Imagine that you're a young footballer in one of those countries and you've slowly worked your way up through the academy and been given a chance to prove yourself and play for the club and make a real career and name for yourself. Then you play for a season and the team strives to do well, managing a spot in the CL groups. Knowing that this is your chance(perhaps the only one you'll ever have) to really show the world what you can do you can hardly contain your excitement at being in a group with Real Madrid, Ajax and Olympiacos. This is your chance to shine, a chance for the big clubs to scout you, to be come the next star player! Then you find out you won't actually be playing CL this year cos some asshats who live locally and therefore support the club, have gone and acted in a disgusting racist manner towards another club's players and fans. Tell me it's still fair.

I care about racism but this is not the way to fix it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA4S3BmeKOk

I'd love to see him in an Arsenal shirt.
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only a shirt..you nasty:p
He was great that game.
Sell Ozil..?like seriously..? i dont understand this criticism on Ozil at all.. I do agree that he lacks work-rate like many players..
But play him in his position(CAM) with Sanchez and Walcott on wings..you will totally see a different player..
Where is the sell Ozil hype coming from?
why are all these man utd fans so busy lurking here ? no need bring up all this again.
Watching arsenal fan tv has made me realize we don't have the most rational fans on the planet.. and they cling on to every word the media sells them..Lot's of arsenal fans are like babies. Know nothing about being patient and giving people a real chance to respond. Thank God Venga doesn't take them seriously. If he Henry and Pires would have no legacy, Ramsey and koscielny would have never proved themselves...his not going to listen to them now. Ozil will turn things completely around in a month or two and the media and the fans will move on to someone else...Walcott, Chamberlain, Monreal

As for his position..am not so sure it matters where he plays in the midfield as much as the actual runs being made ahead of him, quality of our running and movement needs to improve. I think when Welbeck and Sanchez improve their coordination combined with wilshere or ramsey bursting from the middle we will be in business
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so who's unfit for tomoro's games against villa ???

except debuchy, giroud and long lost diaby, who else is on the list ?
Yeah what's up with Diaby? Are they just being extra extra careful with him this time around? He featured in preseason if I am remembering correctly.
Wilshere might be out.
Diaby is fit he played 90 minutes against villa u21's last weekend.
doesn't mean his ready for premier league action...think it's better to go with rosicky or ox in the middle. Save Diaby for league cup action first
Fellow gooners! Happy to share I became a proud father of a baby boy
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Fantastic! Congratulations mate, must be an amazing feeling :D
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Welcome to the family min Gregmaverick! Congrats man. So happy I'm not the only one with kids now woohooooo!
Congrats man.
Congrats man :)
congrtas mate.
Congrats. Did you name him Arsene? :)
Freaking good news mate. Congrats
So Brandao gets a 6 months ban for premeditated assault on a player in the tunnel. Isn't that kinda soft? Part that pissed me off is that he ran like a little $%*% after he headbutt Motta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIi-NqaOek0

Ahh i ain't really trippin over the results we've had so far. It's best to analyse our form around novermberish, at the moment a lot of the players are trying to get used to each other and the new formation we're playing under wenger. Dortmund game was interesting, and a bit disappointing- but you could tell some of the players are still trying to grasp this new 4-1-4-1 system. We did look lost out there, but I hope the lads can pick themselves up, because they're all a talented bunch- they just need to get back to form and build on their chemistry.

Hopefully the villa game we'll be a different story :)

Also Arseblog wrote a good piece on the whole ozil debacle and the new formation-
http://arseblog.com/2014/09/ozil-ramsey-and-the-system/
Not a bad article. It doesn't cover one thing though, it doesn't mention that because Ozil likes to sit quite deep, he actually helps balance the left wing defensively when Gibbs or Monreal keep going forwards. The goal that Aguero scored, sure it was Flamini's fault for not tracking better but it only came after Wenger made a tactical switch of swapping Ozil to the RW and Sanchez to the left who positioned himself further forwards and Navas suddenly found he had space behind the fullback to run into. This switch then paid dividends by giving us a 2-1 lead but initially it cost us.

The biggest problem so far this season and the biggest reason for the new formation is that Debuchy is more aggressive than Sagna positional wise and that means there's now space in behind both fullbacks whereas there used to only be space behind the left fullback. Crucially for us that means Mertesacker has much more ground to cover(he's waaay slower than Kos) and that's why our defense sucks, hence the attempt to use a DM to cover this. Hopefully when Walcott comes back he will add balance to the RW with his defensive work and allow Mertesacker to position himself more solidly in the heart of our defense.

If you guys can recall that night vs Dortmund where at 1-1 with minutes to go, Sagna bombed down the RW, we lost possession and Lewandowski had acres of space to slot home the winner? That's our defense all the time now, both fullbacks affording too much space behind them. Debuchy got caught out big time vs Everton which really emphasised this. Leicester very nearly made us pay as well.
Well maybe if we're not on such a good form right now, we won't have that February/March dip in form and sustain our run through to the end.

We've not played well, but we've only had 2 bad results - 1 at Leicester (which may not be such a bad result after all looking at the way they're playing) and 1 at Dortmund (which may not matter anyway after 6 matches).

So let's just hope we figure it out soon before we drop too many points. At the moment, we're still holding strong.
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If you leave a slow and aging DM who isn't the quickest to cover our 2 CB's guess what? The system becomes a false 4-1-4-1. It's really a 2-1-6-1 in our case with both full backs going so high up while being so slow to track back.

This whole none sense about just getting a better, younger and stronger CDM is just fantasy because guess what? He'd have similar experience. Still conceding and leaking goals. Do you know why? It's not only tactics but it's the philosophy that's affecting the tactics. Each player should have a specific responsibility. Attack and defend when needed.

The very system called Zonal Marking is a perfect example. Arsene's idea is about self expression. Almost like Socialism where there's shared responsibility. If someone's missing a leg, give him yours. Same idea. The man lives and breed (and breath) politics on and off the field, it's hard to get that out of a 65 year old man. He's already dead set in his ways.

Personally, I don't think he's capable of winning another EPL title. Chelsea's stronger, Citeh will reinvest and United is slowly becoming scary once more. Not to mention Liverpool who is currently playing quite beautiful football. We'll just have to wait it out for another couple of years till hopefully someone new but good comes in. And even then it won't be a guarantee.

The media talks a lot if trash but there are a lot of truth to it. They spoke about us maybe having the only chance of winning the title being last year when Chelsea lacked a striker, Citeh was losing against smaller teams and Liverpool being the closet outsider to the title. We didn't strengthen as we needed. Had we done that I think we'd be in a good position.

Btw, still support your club and your manager no matter his decisions.
Fergie The Great once said, "Your job now...is to stick by er manager".

Truer words never been said.
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Honestly I believe the PL is at a level these days when you need big money to be able to go after the title. The reason I say that is not because of the top dogs, they've always been there, it may not have been Chelsea and City but but there's always been a top 4 of teams that will wreck aan unprepared team. It's the fact that the other 15 teams can also fk you up if you play poorly. You need the depth that big bucks can buy, every season where we've bossed it, it's always come unstuck from injury. We simply can't afford to buy such amazing depth to not be affected by player injuries.

The thing with Ozil is, people are calling for his head and yet almost any team in the world would take him in a heartbeat. We've always talked about Wilshere and Ramsey being our mid pairing of the future. Ozil's about the right age, perhaps this is the start of seeing that partnership blossom while having playmakers in wing positions but with the freedom to cut in field? It you check out Ozil's heat map vs City its quite interesting.
Yeah I was actually surprised when I saw his heat map. I noticed him switching from left to right but never really realized he was also central quite often.
^ Bingo.
"Analyzing the network of passes between soccer players reveals that one of the world’s most successful teams plays an entirely different type of football to every other soccer team on the planet." Some of you may find it interesting. It doesn't take a study to see that Barca has a style of its own but it's interesting nonetheless.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/530791/how-network-theory-is-revealing-previously-unknown-patterns-in-sports/
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What do u guys think about starting nacho on the left and Gibbs on the right? Or vice versa? Could leave calum as a backup to both rb and cb positions, and I guess if one gets injured slide him over and bring in bellerin
Hahahah. Dude, Nacho is so one footed you would never see him get a cross in. That's suicidal lol.
It makes more sense to recall jenko than playing a left back at right
Don't think a left back playing at right back would work. Shame Debuchy's injured though, he's been one of the most consistent players for us so far this season.
Calum deserves to start at RB. And Bellerin deserves his chance at RB if Calum goes down or one of the CBs.
I dunno, if flamini and coq can play there I don't see why not Gibbs, yea he's left footed but I just think he's that good of a footballer. It could be that bellerin just looks better there than they do, but he played when nacho wasn't available. We will see in time. ( I'm all for CJ coming back but I'm not sure how possible it is)
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I honestly would never start calum, per, and kos in the same match. Until we get some CB cover. He's so good at CB we can't risk him, just think if we get 2 injuries or an injury and suspension Nacho would be playing CB, honestly
When did flamini play RB, I've only seen him at lb and cb
Bringing in some positivity to the forum this week.

So I had a job interview today while being interviewed by 5 people people. Creative Directors, VP and HR.

I had a bad run in with HR before and she kept peppering me with horrible questions so I realized I wasn't gonna get the job so I told her to Fack off and left.

Best feeling in my life.
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Maybe it was a test and all interview participants were given a hard time on purpose?
You tell them Godspeedysick!

Good for you!
for what position? :-D

good luck yo!
Hahaha, power to you bro, don't take s**t from nobody.
I interviewed a couple people today so I guess I have a different frame of mind. Hopefully you just saved some time and not shot yourself in the foot
^ sif might be right.
it could be a test of character
Haha. And u took me serious.

They could've smacked me and call me names I'd still send a nice follow up letter.


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