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I really like how everyone is boiling up in anger. Rage on Ozil performance ! Rage that Wenger is 'the Wrong'.

*fence sitters*
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We've got to start getting results though, Villa and Spurs are our next two and those will both be tough, an away trip to a dangerous looking Villa and the NLD. 4 points from that isn't the worst to be honest, people will settle down if we take 6. Chelsea come soon afterwards as well.
I just remembered something. I heard the former AC milan coach and Brazilian, Leonardo talk about Ronaldinho during some football commentry once, that his form dipped right after winning everything there is to be won. Leonardo said sumn like it was real hard for him to deal with that much pressure like it would for anyone else especially after catapolting to such stardom at that time. He had constant expectations weighing on his shoulders especially from Brazillians in general so I think we can ease up a bit on Ozil and Wenger too. He just won the world cup, he's still young so he can also add more to his game and I certainly dont want him to peak anytime soon 'cause i'd love to see him near to ronaldinho's level :D jus sayin
He's 26 next month, players tend to reach their peak at 27 or 28, maybe earlier than that so he's got to get back on track. I don't understand why he's being played out of position, clearly there's a reason but I can't figure out what it is.
Why don't we try to post some constructive criticism and strategies for coping with our injuries/poor form instead of this depressing downward spiral of negativity
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lol Gunzzo, why would we want to do anything as rational as that? ;-)
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I'm not even negative at all, can't see why others would be. It's Dortmund we lost to, and City we drew against. It's not as if it's Crystal Palace or Stoke or anything like that. We drew against a really good team; and lost against another really good team. Sure, our performance wasn't good at all, but there's room for improvement. It takes time for the players to get used to one another.
Form is temporary. The fact that we are in pretty bad form right now and still managed late game goals against cp and Everton are good examples of grinding out the points. Undoubtedly, we will get going soon and find that groove from last season and I bet we'll be thankful for the salvaged points in those games. Remember, still undefeated! ;)
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I thought after last season we would improve our big game performances, particularly away from home. Even if we didn't win I expected a competitive game.

Im not being negative, Im just looking at things from a competitive nature. I hate to lose, and I really hate to lose badly. How are the players not embarassed after these performances? As a big team, how are you constantly getting man-handled so easily?

I would be furious at myself and my team if I were an Arsenal player after that Dortmund game.

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Good point Gunnzo. Ozil is my example from that point, he's a lil bit out of shape, played a couple hardcore games since he came back from the WC, one assist or a goal soon and his form will get better as long as he stays fit. I also want him to pay attention to how the british play too, they are more aggressive and he could learn from dudes like rooney, jack or even milner... Maybe it could help him to prevent injuries plus they hustle and create. His work rate is too low and we need him. I didn't mind that we never got cesc back either, I wanna see Ozil shine.
@Gunnzo - absolutely right. We've not got out of 2nd gear yet, there is much more to come. Scraping points when you didn't play well was labelled as "the mark of champions" whenever Utd used to it under Fergie.

@GnR - I agree, they should be furious, it was a dismal performance across the pitch. But take solace in the fact that that was pretty much the worst we can do. The team will do much better than that, just wait and see.
I believe there will come a time where Jack will be as good as Ramsey, at least in terms of productivity, and Wenger will be forced to sell one of the players. I think he would rather sell Özil before either because honestly it looks like he has admitted defeat by playing him on the flanks. The prem doesnt suit him, Arsenal doesnt suit him, and its just hard to overlook his lack of commitment on the pitch. We massively overpaid for him, but doesn't mean we have to keep doing this to him or ourselves. I hope from now on Wenger picks a more functioning team. Even it means dropping his 42.5m dollar darling until he finds some kind of form.
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lol, so you totally gave up on Ozil. great, the next time he shines in full limelight dont even bother coming back here.


support the players, support the club and most importantly support the manager. is it that difficult ??!

Open letter from an Arsenal fan: MUST READ!
I agree with him, not signing any defensive cover (apart from replacements) and CDM during the transfer window was suicidal..

http://www.ftbpro.com/xposts/toni.okike/1289241/an-open-letter-to-arsenal-after-the-club-s-defeat-against-dortmund?a_aid=35210
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Spot on, perfect assessment on Wenger.
bernat from bayern is an incredible player! it's surprising I've never heard of him, he's really young too and he put in quite a shift yesterday.
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Debuchy may need surgery for his injury. I have a feeling he will be out for longer than 2 months. s**t...

I guess it's good news for Bellerin's playing time.

Also I don't feel quite comfortable with Chambers playing at RB now only because that would mean all our CB options are on at the same time. If one gets injured, we are quite screwed.
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good news for Bellerin and maybe CJ...i think it would be too harsh if fans wrote Bellerin off because of the Dortmund game. That is not the type of game you want to make your debut. would have been better if we we're at the Emirates

Huge blow to our team. Debuchy was fitting in very well. Best fit among the new players imo..Hope it's not too long. Our team can't survive a whole season without a defender of that caliber and experience starting
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Wenger might strengthen the squad in December
Forehead is trolling us again
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As it stands in the ucl among English teams apart from Chelsea we have the best chance of topping our group. Dortmund might struggle with consistency due to the injuries. I still think Liverepool will struggle to balance things in the coming weeks and City are in such a tough group they might not make it.
Common bruh, Liverpool struggling in UCL? that's funny! We are 5 times winners. Go ahead and get one, then we can analyse this solution.
Lets just worry about winning the next few games before talking about topping the group.

Dortmund play at a high level regardless of injuries because they are well organized. And forget their injuires, what about ours? Lol
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Or m,aybe it was because they we're at home and have a great atmosphere there. i doubt they will play like that when they visit Gala or the Emirates
Diontan well with that attitude we will never win it. You never know who's going to win it..for all we know we might get a better draw this time around..or get a clean bill of health at the right time for a change..Targeting top 4 this early isn't the kind of mentality arsenal should have
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Dude... PeterzeGooner... stop talking nonsense..

Have u even been watching Arsenal games? we are playing the worst ive seen in a long time... team cohesiveness is so important and that is simply something I dont see with Arsenal. At this rate I dont see us Making top 4..

just the honest truth
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LOL, it's better we get points at the epl rather than CL. Spurs is on the way after villa ( in great form ). Top 4 is more priority than in CL at the moment( doubt we will win it ).
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Get yourself ready first if u wanna win big, simple as that. Just be honest, we have been poor so far for this season, besides that match vs City is great. Well, some would argue that we played everton at goodison park and played away from home vs THE VERY HARD TEAM TO BEAT >> Leicester City.

But just like you said, you won't win anything when u have small mentality. Then those are the games that the players should show their winning mentality to take all 3 points. Chelsea's players ( Title favorites ) here have shown us the WINNING MENTALITY to win those matches.

OK, here come with NEW SIGNING GELLING issue, ok i agree that all signing need time to gel, but in my honest opinion, our new signing have been great so far. Instead, there are few old players are losing form, i don't wanna name them because i will soon be branded as their HATER. These NEW SIGNING GELLING excuse .... Hmm, it's like chelsea hasn't sign any new players ......................

Next one is INJURY, it's undeniable that we always have this injury crisis since few season back. I agree this shiiit caused us too this season. But that's also why we are calling for new signing at those department. CDM and ST are our weak point last season, and this season will at another position which is CB. After letting verm leave AW bought a RB to replace him, at the same time letting Carl to leave. CDM, teta and flame are aging, enough said. AW only looking for welbeck after giroud's injury, well we all know he should not wait until that very last moment for a ST. No offense to welbeck, but i really hope we have more than that. you know what's going to happen if welbeck is injured now.

I love this club, i am positive and optimistic about our club, but I'm just be realistic on what we will achieve this season. I know talk all positive here will gain love at this forum, but sometimes u just gotta be honest. I don't mind to be that BAD GUY here.

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Being honest sometimes can cause people like me being called negative. It's obvious we needed a CB and a CDM but it's been ignored.

The mans inclination to leave gaping holes in a potential championship winning team is baffling and downright frustrating, we always go by every season thinking what could've been. It's so frustrating to see how reluctant he is to alter his tactics according to the opposition and also give fresher hungrier players a chance than risking injury to half-fit out of form players.

Speaking the truth and being real can be a bad thing on this forum, you'll be labelled as the bad guy so........
Wenger has been doing his thing big for years, yes he's short of a CL trophy but his levels ooze swag and class which is light yrs ahead of complaining about Ozil playing out of position and being frustrated about not being as strong as City and Chelsea at CDM imo right about now. I think the current squad can improve much more and very quickly plus we have the Jan transfer window. I also think Ozil and Ramsey will improve and Calumn can be a hit with Diaby in CM... That isnt wishful thinking either.
I think Chelsea is gonna win the title this year just because CESC breaks 75% of the epl teams with ease. It was stupid on AWs part to let him join a rival. But whatever, 4th place trophy. yay!
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Cesc was born for this, for greatness regardless which club he plays for. True EPL Playmaker.i knew it was gonna be cfc title with cesc in, regardless who ever is their striker.

hope we can grab that 2nd place lol :P


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