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I hopeful we had an advantage playing on this synthetic turf at Sutton where our passing can be spot on. Bring back the old Arsenal style today boys.
Very lucky draw for us. But let's focus on Sutton first.
I expect a victory tomorrow. Anything less than that and the fans will have Wenger's head.
^ quite literally i can see dt and troopz chasing wenger !!!
Imo the fa cup doesn't matter. Whether we win it or not it will not help with our problems. Finishing as high up in the table is much more important imo. It attracts better players and will make the job of the manager next season much easier.
Even if we were to win it, it would not placate the fanbase. Finishing Top 4 and picking up the F.A Cup is the sort of target you expect at somewhere like Everton.

The aim for Arsenal has to be the league title. It is of course easier to say these things than to do them. There are 6 teams who realistically have the same targets so 5 of them will ultimately miss out but we have to aim for the top.

The board need to aim higher, show some ambition and back the manager properly, whether that is Wenger or someone else. That means wage parity (donkeys like Lingard are on £95k pw, carthorses like Rooney are on £250k pw) and big transfer fees if needed. Once they do that, they have to set ambitious targets for the manager and stop settling for the safety of a CL spot and the revenue it guarantees.
Lol its called the Emirates FA cup for a reason
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Underestimating Sutton?
+4
Can you imagine how the players must feel going from Hull to Bayern to Sutton and then to Liverpool? Roller-coaster.
Chelsea v Manchester United
Middlesbrough v Huddersfield/Manchester City
Tottenham v Millwall
Sutton/Arsenal v Lincoln

If we don't reach the SF, something is wrong.. lol

The cup is producing another magic finish though! We've got some underdogs as well as 5 of the big 6 still in it. Could be set for a great 3 Wembley matches. A small part of me wants us to lose in the hope that either Sutton or Lincoln reach the finals. If one of those two teams reach the finals, there is a very high chance that they will be in the Europa League next year! :o
Most stacked QF that I can remember. Chance that 4 of the top 6 teams end up in the semis unless someone fluffs it
It'll be quite a story if we meet each other at the final, fighting for the lead in FA Cup titles. With side story of mou and wenger...
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^ of course u all will be happy meeting us in the final
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why was i not surprised at all, the entire game i was thinking we could capitulate and we did. i just had a feeling that bayern were toying with us in that first half.

have to admit it to ourselves, we aint good enough, the board the managers tactics and team selection even the players. Simply are not good enough for the club that Arsenal was supposed to become after moving to the emirates.

My expectations from the glory days has gone from supporting a barcelona type team to a smaller team. we dont know what arsenal will do and most of the times we are poor, can capitulate at any seconds, our players are mostly a joke.

Until some change happens whether the managers, board, owner, players go this will all continue unfortunately.

ive given up telling mates that oh we will win when we play the bigger teams because most likely we loose now. so i just expect to loose.

like i always say in my posts, no ones scared of us anymore, we are a mediocre bunch of nice boys playing on the pitch that most of the time are s**t.

CHANGE NEEDS TO HAPPEN - i know wenger possibly may be doing awesome with the budget he had over the years, but even the players hes bought and soo many wrong decisions he makes i dont care if we do crap with a new manager, atleast there will be change, some new fresh light into the dark abyss we are stuck in year after year, or bring back david dein

#BRINGBACKDAVIDDEIN
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"I don't care if we do crap with a new manager" This is exactly the problem with some of the Wenger out crew. You prefer the team to suffer without Wenger rather than have it succeed with Wenger, which is insanity.

"My expectations from the glory days from supporting a Barcelona type team to a smaller team..." the only reason you ever had those expectations are down to Wenger. Arsenal simply isn't financially or otherwise as big as a club as Barca and likely never will be. The fact that we even touched those heights is glorious.

"Our players are mostly a joke." See this is what sucks. You'll attack all aspects of the team to try and prove your point. We have at least 3 world class players in Ozil (admittedly bad form but still WC), Kos and Alexis, some very good right below that level player and a few extremely bright prospects. They deserve better than you're fickle fandom.
+2
David Dean? Is he James dean's son?
+1
"I don't care if we do crap with a new manager" is a wrong statement IMO. I always want a change because I want the club to achieve more, rather than the same shiit, diff year. If the next manager can't do well, we need to keep looking. Point is, we need to keep looking for new style of management that can bring the club to higher level. No one can guarantee simeone, klopp, alergri, sampoali or anccelotti can bring success, but With our current squad quality, we need more than what AW can achieve. At least 'compete' in these crucial tournaments. At least we give a fight in the game. At least we compete point by point in the league, even if we lose out finally. For now it's like every season, we are 10 or more points off the top. It's BS man !!!
@arsenalhero520 mate i dont see why a different manager could not do better than what wenger is currently doing. our team looks like a joke out on the field. dont be deluded we are shite. wheres the desire, wheres the passion wheres the men on the field? who puts theses teams out, who does the tactics, who buys the players?

succeed with wenger? how long have you been saying this? its most likely not gonna happen mate, i would love for wenger to prove me wrong. i love wenger but not the way things always go every damn season. ive had enough. the players he bought? ozil more expensive than hazard, xhaka more then kante, mustafi more than luiz??

in not doubting wengers ability i love the guy. but hes making shocking mistakes and i dont see no progree at ALL. we dont have financial ability you say... lol gazidis quote - we are now financially on the same level as the big teams and within a few years will be on the same level as bayern munich. that was said back in like 2013. LOL u say we are not financially able? LMAO

ozil IS NOT WORLDCLASS in an arsenal shirt. he is overrated. PERIOD. dont get me started on this. i dont care how many kms he covered on the pitch, how many chances hes created. at the end of the day he rarely does s**t, hes weak on the ball and loosed far to much possession, he cant shoot. hes not built for the premier league from what ive seen of him since he arrived. and thats exactly what mourinho said to. his body language... i can on and on about why ozil is s**t in an arsenal shirt.

and ofcourse those expectations of us being like barcelona were from wenger, he was amazing THEN. but is he NOW? realistically look at what we have become... a joke. why do you think i say bring back David Dein... he saw the direction the club was heading and he wanted no part of it so he left or got sacked..... i cant believe your saying its amazing we touched glorious heights but then ur happy with what wenger is turning the club into. what we have become....

ofcourse ill attack all the team. most of the players in the team are bang on average. gibbs, monreal, ozil, ox, ramsey, SANOGO?? giroud, walcoot, mertesacker, coqulin, welbeck. would any one of these players make it in a chelsea or city side, i dont think they have the ability or class to be in those sides. The only players i give credit to is cech, alexis, lucas, bellerin, mustafi, koss, cazorla. xhaka has yet to proove himself but the amount of cards is worrying... i wish another manager would come in and get life into these average players but im not sure that would happen based on what i see of them every week.

i cant believe your happy with our club becoming a laughing stock....

everyone says out squad has quality, everyone has a definition of what they think quality is. but under wenger i think most of the players in our squad are below par to deserve to wear the arsenal badge

NOT ONE OF THE PLAYERS IN THE CURRENT SIDE WOULD MAKE The Invincibles SIDE bar ALEXIS.
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'There's kids watching fam' - Soccer Saturday mock AFTVs Troopz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46KOwA_J6w

Arrogant, smug presenters looking down on and mocking ordinary fans as usual
Some of those ordinary fans kind of deserve to be mocked, Bully and one or two others are the only one who go ArsenalfanTV to actually talk about the team. The others are just there to scream and curse and get 15 minutes for themselves.
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Tbf, they've turned him into a celebrity.
He says blud and fam so excessively that I don't see any harm in taking shots at it. To me, it's as stupid as kids that dab and think they're cool. It's utter nonsense.
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Shay, its how he grew up, its his accent.. Are you taking shots at Indian people accent? Are taking shots at Scotish accent? That a bit arrogant by that host
hes an "Idiot"
Nah Dani, it's not an accent. It's a learned way of speaking, I bet his parents never taught him that, it's just mimicked from popular culture.
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In some areas of london there are people that talks like that, especially if you go north london. I say 'inni' alot in my sentenece thats beacuse i was brought up in london and it just comes out of nowhere when i'm talking to someone lol I never like to ridcule anyone on how they talk as long as they making sense, however 'troopz' does use 'blud and fam' alot in his interview, which makes me wonder how old is he? and what does he do for living? because over time you do stop saying it.
Dani, do you honestly think I'm taking shots at anyone or any culture? Come on man.
Shay I dont think you do.. thats why I gave it as an example :D
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Is it arrogance though, really? The guy says it to be witty. I can't imagine he has an agenda to make it into anything more than a simple joke at Troopz's expense - it's his trademark on AFTV for heaven's sake. Everyone on social media gets destroyed by at least 1 person so just because Troopz is a fan voicing his opinion then it's not alright? I think we're being a bit over sensitive on the issue.
Meh the sensitivity in this world today is just embarrassing. If you're offended, be offended.

That's literally the worst that could happen, you being offended. Nothing more, no one dies, no one gets hurt.

Whatever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me?

"Boo hoo, Neville called a guy an idiot, boo hoo", "Boo hoo, he made fun of the way i speak, boo hoo." The world is full of babies these days. These people should just disappear, mankind will be a stronger species after it.
Probably oversensitive, but the word these days is oversensitive in general.. Neville called the fun an idiot for bringing the banner, I didnt think that was that bad, in his view that was an idiotic move.
It really doesnt matter what the fan did, all he called him was an "idiot". And these guys on AFTV were milking it like he sodomized the dude's sister or something. And while they're screwing Neville, they themselves are calling their fellow fans "pr*cks", "idiots", "w*nkers". Such hypocrisy.

The whole thing that AFTV did with Neville was more embarrassing to me than the situation it arose from to be honest. They had such a great opportunity to ask Neville some real questions, to acknowledge and appreciate the respect he showed AFTV, and yet those idiots sat there and decided to grill Neville for calling ONE guy an "idiot". I truly felt sorry for Neville for wasting his time with that pointless and lack-of-depth/quality interview.

The self-entitlement and self-pity in the world today is just really embarrassing. And im not some old fart saying "geez remember the good ol' days", im born in 91 and im embarrassed with my own generation. How did we get here?!
I agree Deveus. The interview lacked real substance to it. I think all AFTV was after was an apology from Neville which I'm glad he didn't adhere to. He stood his ground and wasn't remorseful for calling out what he saw. DT started it off very well and once the rest got to voicing themselves it all got lost.
Do you think United fans batted an eye on Ibra's 1st and 3rd goals where penalties should not have been rewarded? I think it's safe to say we are both benefiting from poor referee decisions going our way.
You missed the millions of decisions refs have gotten wrong for United this season
Probably, but it's just the tug of war we've been at this season.
Let's be honest the refereeing as a whole has been disgusting and pathetic this season. There's no accountability so refs can make mistakes that can cost a team points, later on apologise and not get properly punished
You're from the states right? MLS is doing a trial for video review dieing preseason. David villa got his yellow card turned to red after video review showed he slapped a defender in the face. I'm interested to see how this pans out and brings a little more justice to the game. Hopefully improving the correct call rate for refs.
No from Ireland, but I would love to see video reviews get implemented as long as there's another official next to the monitor so the ref doesn't have to run off the pitch.

When a decision is giving there's about 20 seconds where players surround the ref and protest that decision and in that time frame we see the highlights so vido reviews should be introduced as soon as possible
Vazz, thumbs up! I like your comments on the discussion, especially the statment " defense alone can win several title." I believe, lack of organized defense is the exact problem of arsenal for more than a decade. The first wenger crops dominated EPL not only because of T. Henry,D.Bergkamp, or the likes of other attacking talent, it was also due to the rock solid of back four and mid-field players.Don't forget that the back four were inherited from the previous manager. The current manager couldn't replicate a dependable defense for many years.IMO, the reason for this entirely lies on the manager recruitment criterion of players and his philosophy of football. The guy has been obsessed with a tiki-taka type of football and players. With his words " arsenal type of player". Mind you, at this point, the very important pieces of the puzzle for champion team like dependable stamina, height and fighting spirit are totally forgotten. I can tolerate one or two players with lack of the above quality but i can't on eight or nine. In short, wenger should have a gut to defeat his ego and should leave arsenal in grace.
What about the defense that took us to the champions League finals
WHAT! You must be kidding me right, what about the invincible back four?, Did Wenger inherit that too? FYI Tony Adams was not part of the invincible back four.

You need to check your sources again.
Lauren, Campbell, Toure, Cole

All inherited from George Graham!
@Filsuf
That defense also holds the record of 10 consecutive clean sheets in the Champions League.
Exactly my point, OMGCA
Just watched the G. Neville meets Arsenal Fan TV. It was a bit awkward.. but man DT speaks well, everyone gives him stick but I think he is the most well spoken dude (on Arsenal fan tv) when he is not talking angry shiit.. but Moh shiit was bs in my opinion, him trying to bring down G. Neville was pathetic and made him look like a fool.. Feel for Neville must have been hard doing this shiit
guess neville is not much better than AFTV. anything for eye balls, eh? AFTV must be on cloud 9.
Moh is a w****r
Dt was good
Neville was fine, slightly backtracking imo
The first guy made some great points, especially when he said the club treats us like customers not fans. It really hits you and you don't have to be an Arsenal fan to feel his pain.

The club is one of the wealthiest teams in the world and charges fans high prices to come watch a game, yet when it comes to spending money they can't compete with the rest. Imo, the only reason Wenger is staying is because he can make do with small spending compared to the rest of the top teams whereas imagine how much money your board would have to pay to hire a world class manager and then that manager would have to at least get rid of 6-8 players and bring in a whole lot of his own top class players which would force the board to spend a huge amount. I think that's one of the biggest things the board would consider before sacking Wenger. If that wasn't the case, Wenger would have been gone a while ago, if this was Chelsea, City, Utd or even Liverpool the sacking would have happened and the board wouldn't worry about spending.

As for the rest, they sounded like a bunch of emotional divas begging Gary Neville to apologize but he wasn't going to. The irony of all these was the fact that the guys on AFTV tear into Arsenal players and Wenger all the time, yet when someone says something about them, they start crying about it. If I was sitting in front of Gary Neville, I would have asked more interesting questions rather than talking about what he said on twitter. The guy Moh was so embarrassing and sounded so rehearsed that at the end, Gary was laughing it off and just made him look like a fool.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10771296/chileans-to-march-for-sanchez-exit

man this is so sad...

As a gunner i would really beg him to stay at the emirates. but as a neutral point of view, he should really just move on to other club to win something, even if Arsenal agree to pay him 250k per week. His career is ticking, we can't guarantee to win anything for this guy too. Feel so sorry for him man.

As for ozil, he can leave if he wants to.
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wow never heard about something like this before...lol they are not even Arsenal fans to do protest.
Its very tough for anyone to match the Level of efforts and tenacity of Sanchez on a consistent basis. He's a Pit-bull On steroids, Anyone will look lazy around Sanchez. I guess rest of the arsenal team is trying to do their best or they just don't have it in them to Step up to Chilean's Level.
I am surprised that the Chilean fans feel like their hero is suffering at Arsenal, He a leader and that's what leaders do set examples not jump ship when s**t hits the fan. Sanchez is not held hostage at arsenal, if he rally wants to leave he will anytime, since he haven't signed an extension.
I guess Chilean fans are the most loyal supporters of Alexis Sanchez and they are more emotionally connected to him compared to rest, but this is just ridiculous.
The last game really pissed me off. Every time Sanchez pressed he had to tell the others to press otherwise they would just be standing there like idiots. He should leave IF we don't get a new manager. This team need someone like Simeone that won't tolerate bs.
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Sanchez is the lead man, he gets the freedom to run around to press people at will and rest of the team also have to mark their respective opponents and track the runs. We were playing Bayern here, Pressing a team like Bayern is not easy. I am not defending the rest of the team who had below par performance, I think we are expecting little too much from the rest of the team to be like Sanchez which is not possible.
Basically protesting that Coquelin is in the side

I wanna join too
We can only hope that Alexis is different and accepts the challenge. It is a huge challenge. He should sign a 1 year contract like the 30+ guys get these days to give the management a chance to take the next step into investing into the club. If he leaves, no one would blame him and we'd all wish him well. However, if he leaves then how in the hell are we going to sign any marquee players from here on out? They'll see what happened to Alexis and will most likely see it as career suicide.
Shay, I think as a professional at his age doing 1 year extension is a really bad career move. God forbid, if he gets bad injury he is pretty much fuked.. At his stage of career he must get massive long term contract, cause that will be his biggest contract
skysports went from youtube channel to facebook groups. soon it will be bleacher report I guess.
@Shaymoose17- that is why the choice for Wenger's successor can't be taken lightly.

Sampaoli would bring structure, organization and probably help keep Alexis. He remains my #1 choice.

Tuchel would probably help bring Reus and/or Aubameyang, but I worry that his tactical nous is not what everyone claims it to be.

Bielsa would be a stop-gap at most, just brought in to bring discipline and hard work. Nothing more.

Benitez is a non-starter for me.

Howe is, with all due respect, too young and too green for Arsenal.

Simeone seems more interested in the project he has going there, with a latter move to Italy seemingly preferred over England.

Allegri will be like Unai Emery in a sense- good tactician with a knack for progressing through cup competitions. I just don't know if he is ready for a move outside Italy. I'm obviously a little biased here, but I don't think he is the answer either LOL.

Luis Enrique is not the next coming of Pep, as many were given to think early on, and if he gets released from Barca, should be steered clear from.

Pochettino- well, that would just take the rivalry to the next level, wouldn't it? I'm not sure that he would move, but I would be all for it if he was willing.
who said luis Enrique was the second coming of pep?
First of all pep himself is vastly unproven. He did lead Barca to the highest point in the clubs history but failed to prove himself at Bayern. By prove I only mean in tactical battles against Europe's best teams - Bayern always were found wanting under pep
At City again it's too early to make a judgement, it can go either way for him.

Secondly Luis Enrique is just himself, his tactics are much different from that of peps. He gets discredited for the treble because "it's was basically the same squad as pep!!" But he made a lot of tactical and personnel changes and fixed Barca's defence.

Tuchel is overrated, he hasn't done anything to deserve mention along side other world class managers. Plus Tuchel won't bring Aubameyang, 80m will bring him lol

From Sams list Sampaoli looks like the best man for the job but again he is also unproven to a large extent. People be singing his praises like he has won several UCL
titles, but fact is he has hardly been in European football for a year and there is no guarantee what works in La Liga will work in EPL too. ( Pep)

I reckon Mancini would do well in the job too.
Dani, good point. I just really want Alexis to stay. To me, he doesn't seem like the type to run from a tough situation. But what do I know! And now that I think of it...a 1 year deal means he can walk for free if he doesn't sign another contract lol

Sam, out of the list of managers Pochettino would be my #1. That would be amazing, but luring him away would be close to impossible with what he's got now with players and in the near future with the stadium. In all honesty, this team could use 9 months of suffering with Tony Pulis to teach us how to defend as a unit. Dude will drop Ozil from the team as fast as Ozil drops his shoulders.

No way in hell you guys land Poch. Poch won't join Arsenal because in terms of squad talent and what his build at Spurs, why would he walk away for Arsenal who are just another rebuilding process for a new manager? Don't make sense.

The reason why so many rate Sampoali is not because of trophies but because of how good Sevilla have become under him. Just watch them and you will see a side that not only plays attractive football but works really hard as unit. They went from the EL side to La liga title contenders and UCl dark horses, hell their doing better than Atleti this season. This is why Barca want him and he probably be their #1 target this summer.

Tuchel is still in his early days with a big club, he hasn't proven himself and I don't understand why Howe is in the conversation.

For me, I think many people forgot about Laurent Blanc. He did really well with Bourdeux and PSG, even though he under-preformed in UCL during his time. I think if theirs someone who plays similar to the Arsenal type football, Blanc I think is a good candidate. He plays possession style football even brings up the youth players such as Rabiot, Kimpembe and Coman from the youth teams and bought in Digne and Marquinhos. 3 of those young players he brought up/brought in started in the 4-0 Barca beat down.

Simeone would be a great pick. He plays completely different to Arsenal's football and he would need to revamp the squad, so I wounder if the board would make a move for him because the board will need to invest heavily. Mancini could do a job but his fell out with players before, has a temper and hasn't been able to keep a job down for more than 2 seasons since his City days.
Just want to say before i start i am not being rude and do admire arsenal as a club but i do believe Keeping Arsene Wenger at the club because of great things he did years ago is like keeping an apple pie in the fridge because it tasted good 6 months ago when you bought it.

Arsenal is too big of a Club to be ending 4th most seasons and not pushing on in the CL most season. Ye have a great squad for a new manager with Fresh ideas.

Anyway lads it is just my 2 cents....
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Only problem now is which manager can guarantee what we are achieving now as a minimum, but also deliver more...

We can get a manager who can win us titles. Great

But we also can get a manager and end up like Moyes Man Utd, and Liverpool...

Except our owners won't dish out hundreds of millions every season to scrape us out...


Either way. I thinks its time to move on. He's made his legacy, no matter how it ends
"Even if I go, Arsenal will not win every single game in the future. It is not like before I arrived Arsenal had won five times in the European Cup.

"What is important is that the club makes the right decision for the future. I care about this club and its future and it is very important the club is in safe hands.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39001868
+1
Its tough to see all fans crying for Wenger's head but he keeps doing a remarkable job. Please riddle me if bang average players like Walcott/Gabriel/Oxlade/Coqalan etc can feature in the best clubs, they dont. But wenger uses them effectively to achieve respectable league position and UCL knockout rounds. Ofcourse its not enough for some fans as it seems..

If a new manager comes in, he will 100% not work with these players. The squad will have to be cleared out - I think apart from Sanchez, Mustafi, Bellerin and Kos (Iwobi is a great talent too) none of the other players merit an automatic starting spot and a new manager may decide these players are not enough quality or do not fit his style and go about trying to replace them.
Do the owners have enough money to replace upto 10-12 first team squad players over the summer or next 2 windows? They will surely consider that before hiring any new manager

At Man utd before Mou, two different managers came in and tried to sign their type players, none worked out. Top players like Rio/Vidic/Evra/Nani/Chicha were sold since they didnt fit the managers plans. Ofcourse the owners didnt have any problem in spending so it was not a big strain

If Arsenal owners are worried about spending $150m each window till a new manager has his selected squad, then they wont replace Wenger.
I wouldn't say "remarkable" job. Although we do often remark on his job, it is not often with a positive connotation.

I think our squad is actually not that bad. If you compare them player for player against other top4-6 teams, it isn't like we have a bunch of clowns.

The problem is that, despite our technical ability, we are utterly devoid of intensity these days. Everything is slow, sloppy and well below the standards that we have seen from this very same team.

To me that suggests that the mental aspect of the game is severely lacking. The psychological preparation for a game is just as critical as training with the ball. The same errors have cost us in the title race and in Europe every year in succession - slow starts to matches, shambolic defending, inability to manage a game.

If nothing changes in 7 years it is because the manager either doesn't view it as a problem or recognises the problem but can't fix it. In either case, the solution is obvious.

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Fear of failure get you nowhere. We are no success right now either, unless your aim is just to reach top 4 every season. Just take a gamble mate, even if we are worsen under a new manager, it's still not end of the world. Great manager is everywhere and I do believe Arsenal can attract great managers. Somehow it would still be better than get stuck with AW, knowing that we won't win anything major under him anymore. I'm tired of losing out EPL and humiliated at round of 16 in CL every single season, signed some great player but get threaten to lose them to rival and many more. He used to gave excuses that we cannot compete financially and lack of class player which it is acceptable for 6 to 7 seasons ago, but now with many class players like cech, kostafi, ozil sanchez, he still fvck up again and again by big teams, and we still hearing some lame excuses again and again. Also, i believe our squad is enough to win the epl, at least compete point by point. Beside those players i mentioned above, i do believe players like monreal, bellerin, xhaka, giroud, perez, welbeck are all good enough for the team. It's our management approach failed to get the best out of them.
+4
Many top managers would love to manage arsenal and the current squad and live in London. Ferguson left utd in bits before he left and we had s**t managers for years that left many years of dead wood. Ye are not like that and have a great squad that any top manager with fresh ideas would take ye forward.
+2
Wenger is not the only manager to work wonders with average players. Look what klopp is doing at Liverpool and previously at dortmund. Also Unai emery, Conte, simeone.

Our average players are on very high salaries. Much much higher (like, I'm talking double or triple the salary of players that emery, Conte, simeone klopp worked with).
+2
Wenger achieved amazing results when he arrived and continued to do so on a low budget after the building of the stadium. To maintain the level of play and level of results at Highbury and then the second phase throughout the drought period was amazing.

For me, it's only since last season that the team is really underachieving in terms of quality of play and in terms of results. Now the contract is coming to an end and its a really tough decision to make for both him and the club.

As a top manager, he has shown at least as much loyalty and patience to the club as he has received, if not more.
Lmao did u just say Atleticos squad was average??? Do u even know how much the guy spends every summer. His team is far from average

Only decent example u should of given was Sampiolis Sevilla side. A manager who has done wonders with his squad while barely spending.

But he's going Barca ffs
And conte squad are barely average. FFS He managed Juve which still had a defence of Chiellini, Barzagli and Bonucci - let me tell you that defence alone can win several titles on top of that add Vidal, Pogba, Pirlo etc and that squad was a far cry from average
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Vaaz - Conte managed Juve who finished 7th back to back two season before he joined and helped them win title in 1st season.

Bonucci or Chielline had won nothing before conte took over and had achieved nothing. Also Vidal and Pogba dint join Juve as ready made world class players. He gave 20 year old Pogba and unproven Vidal a chance to play in midfield with 31 year old free signing Pirlo who was almost at end of his career.

Dont judge that squad based on what they are today....Judge them based on what they were when Conte took over in 2011.

Forget about Juve....Chelsea defense was a joke year ago and people mocked when we signed luiz back to play with Cahill. Now we have best defensive record in league in-spite of not having best defenders LOL!
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To play a little devil's advocate here, the US FED kept interest rates at close to 0% since the recession in 07/08 while a lot of countries in Europe grew sick of the 0%, felt growth was coming back, and raised interest rates prematurely only to lower it again as the economy suffered.

Now, there are a lot of people in the US who are dissatisfied with the "sluggish" 2% GDP growth rate (the president being one of them), but as current US tax politics show it's never easy to simply raise that growth rate by taking seemingly obvious action (eg: cut taxes, but how?).

In fact, often times you don't know if that action will backfire. Look at ManUtd and you can see something like it. Look at Liverpool after Benitez left and you can also see how long it can take to return to the top 4, let alone fight for the title (which IMO they still aren't title contenders). The jury is still out on whether Pep has brought more to City or taken away what was working for them previously.

Coming back to Arsenal, I am torn because I love Wenger's philosophy but am also hungry for more and perhaps we need to add action. But will that move add another dimension to what we already have, taking us higher or will it backfire as we lose what Wenger has built in terms of culture and talent? I'm not sure.

My point is, "top 4" may seem like a given to us because we've had it for so long. It make seem like we've stagnated, but we are growing together with the other big 6 teams. The league clearly shows that these 6 teams are growing faster than the others, but I don't think Arsenal has outpaced the other big 6 teams' growth nor fallen behind. Chelsea have had their ups and downs. City have done poorly so far since Pep arrived. United has definitely declined since Ferguson left and Liverpool seem to be a little bit over-performing at the moment. Honestly, Spurs is probably the only one to have consistently outgrown the other clubs.

So is it the right time to take action and raise the stakes? or are we being rash and Wenger is actually doing the best possible for us? It looks to be a lot of fans want to test that theory and replace Wenger. Guess we will find out in a few years then...
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Conte's Chelsea is basically the title winning side under Mou + kante and luiz
If the defence was a joke a year ago, the same joke of a defence won the title 2 years back

To say that the current Chelsea side before conte took over is average is quite ridiculous. You can't change every plate to fit your meal, agreed Cahill etc looked out of sorts last season but that had more to do with management trouble than the result of an average squad
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Lol! Vaaz what are you talking man. Aleast get facts right.

Luiz , Kante , Moses , Alonso , Pedro.(almost half team) difference btw Chelsea title winning 11 and now. Also Azip and Cahil are the only two in defense from Jose title winning season. Luiz , Alonos , Moses , Kante are new.

i see your trying to give credit of Chelsea team to Jose...but lol! if that is what your trying to say. if you really think Chelsea sqaud wasn't average then you guys would not have predicted city and united to be TOP-2 this season.

If it was so easy to win title like your making it look. LVG's team that finished 5th last season + 200m would not be sitting in 6th right now.

We were talking about Juve...so please clarify that point Vaaz. your talking as if Conte had world beater when he wont title with Juve in 1st season.
Lol thanks for the full list. Any youth/reserve player that I missed out too? What I meant to say was that the core of the team especially in attack is the same and the biggest difference is Kante + Luiz who start every game.
Why are you obsessed with getting the entire facts down in each post while I'm merely trying to make a point here? By no stretch of imagination can chelsea squad be labelled average.

And we werent talking about Juve having world beaters, we were saying Juve were not an average side. Chiellini was Juve's best player and Serie A player of the season several times before Conte even took over. I dont know why you're putting him down as average lol. Barzagli was a world cup winner himself.
His signing Vidal was not unproven, he was Chile's best player and one of the best CMs at that time too. Add Buffon, Pirlo, Marchisio etc you cant say that squad was average by any stretch. Pogba was unproven but anyone who watched the game knew he was going to turn into a top player, it was only a matter of time.

Yeah sure they didn't win much before that season, but that was because of the scandal and they still had players who won titles before they got relegated. But they werent average by any stretch.
If you want average sides which won the league an example would be Leicester.

Its obvious Jose should get credit for the current squad, arent many of the players including your top scorer now signed by him? And you are trying to discredit Jose lol? Even his biggest hater concedes that this current Chelsea squad is merely an extension of his squad from 2 years back
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ok dude squad Jose built is reason Conte is doing good this season and Conte only succeeded at Juve because he had world class team.

"attack is the same and the biggest difference is Kante + Luiz who start every game"

Again please get facts right. Luiz , Kante , Moses , Alonso & Pedro start every game...half of team is different and these 5 players have changed the sh*t team Jose left last season into title contenders again and dint cost us 200m.

Lets say Conte had good squad at Juve...yet his team had finised 7th back to back two seasons before and he won title 3 back to back season after that breaking lot of records.

we are seeing how special managers are struggling to make top-4 inspite of having prior PL experience + most expensive squad's in the world......its not as easy as we fans talks here


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34
18
52
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25
1
52
22
29
51
5
4
16
25
2
50
28
18
46
3
8
14
25
3
50
26
28
54
5
5
15
25
4
49
24
30
54
4
7
14
25
5
48
17
21
38
3
9
13
25
6
41
13
27
40
6
8
11
25
7
37
3
31
34
8
7
10
25
8
32
-6
36
30
9
8
8
25
9
32
-9
43
34
11
5
9
25
10
30
-3
31
28
11
6
8
25
11
30
-9
36
27
13
3
9
25
12
30
-13
42
29
11
6
8
25
13
26
-14
49
35
13
5
7
25
14
24
-23
54
31
15
3
7
25
15
22
-8
27
19
11
10
4
25
16
21
-19
43
24
14
6
5
25
17
20
-27
49
22
15
5
5
25
18
19
-14
46
32
16
4
5
25
19
19
-22
46
24
16
4
5
25
20
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1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
23
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
24
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
25
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
26
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
27
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
28
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
29
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
30
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
31
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
32

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D
W
Pl
Pos
14
12
6
18
0
2
4
6
1
12
6
7
13
0
3
3
6
2
3
-9
15
6
3
3
0
6
3
2
-9
12
3
4
2
0
6
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