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kdb injured. not really surprised.
Such a shame. He is Ballon d'Or material but cant get a break...
+1
What happened?
is it because they rushed him back too soon after the world cup? same with sterling, stones and walker.
He got injured in training so... He's just a bit fragile and unlucky
Anyone else feel like former players from Arsenal spend a lot more time shitting on the team than former players from other teams? Sure we're in a rough spot in our history but so are Chelsea and I don't see Drogba or Terry jumping on every chance to criticize the team.
I never watched him play but Tony Adams is a clown. Legendary player fine, but the man is a few more rants away from losing that statute I'd say.
I never watched him play but Tony Adams is a clown. Legendary player fine, but the man is a few more rants away from losing that statute I'd say.
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Why would they criticize them when they are getting title like twice in 4 years?
We were in pretty good shape in 2006, reaching CL final, having won the title, ... . But after that we didn't progress and we got shiter and shiter. So Criticizing the current state of our club is normal in my opinion. If we become truly competitive, I doubt anyone would criticize the team.
We were in pretty good shape in 2006, reaching CL final, having won the title, ... . But after that we didn't progress and we got shiter and shiter. So Criticizing the current state of our club is normal in my opinion. If we become truly competitive, I doubt anyone would criticize the team.
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You can't compare Arsenal's downfall to that of Chelsea's...Chelsea won the title just 2 years ago which is pretty recent...when did Arsenal last won the title? Former Arsenal legends criticizing the club is just and should continue until the club starts winning a title at least every 3-4 years IMO.
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I agree completely with your comment Ozil2021. Even when we do well their praise of the team is underwhelming. Tony Adams was sacked in Spain under 2 months of managemen, hence why he should appreciate the task facing the new manager.
I didn't see any man city legends criticizing their club all those barren years before the shield took over. How many trophies did Mr Guardiola win in his first Season in the premier league? Even with some amazing talent already at his disposal. He won nothing and finished about 10-15 points behind Chelsea. But no man city legends dug him out.
Arsenal were just okay on Sunday, yeah we lost, but we weren't bullied by Man city and we lacked a lot of cohesion which is to be expected. What I watched on Sunday gave me hope that things are going to get better.
I think Ozil wasn't happy with the way some of our so called legends are extremely critical of the team last season, and he was right. Ian Wright, Thierry Henry, Tony Adams and Merson are relentless. Henry was at the Etihad on Wengers final game at the Emirates, interviewing Pep Guardiola. Make of that what you will. Ray Parlour and Robert Pires always speak good of the club and state their concerns in a respectful way.
We have not won the premier league in ages, but we won an FA Cup 2 seasons ago. There are teams in the top 6 that haven't won a trophy in ages and have invested far more in their squads.
Give Mr Emery a break, it's only been 3 months and one game.
I didn't see any man city legends criticizing their club all those barren years before the shield took over. How many trophies did Mr Guardiola win in his first Season in the premier league? Even with some amazing talent already at his disposal. He won nothing and finished about 10-15 points behind Chelsea. But no man city legends dug him out.
Arsenal were just okay on Sunday, yeah we lost, but we weren't bullied by Man city and we lacked a lot of cohesion which is to be expected. What I watched on Sunday gave me hope that things are going to get better.
I think Ozil wasn't happy with the way some of our so called legends are extremely critical of the team last season, and he was right. Ian Wright, Thierry Henry, Tony Adams and Merson are relentless. Henry was at the Etihad on Wengers final game at the Emirates, interviewing Pep Guardiola. Make of that what you will. Ray Parlour and Robert Pires always speak good of the club and state their concerns in a respectful way.
We have not won the premier league in ages, but we won an FA Cup 2 seasons ago. There are teams in the top 6 that haven't won a trophy in ages and have invested far more in their squads.
Give Mr Emery a break, it's only been 3 months and one game.
+1
Spider but here we've made some changes and have a new manager and yet we still have Adams and Merson attacking the manager and the players after one f*****g game. I don't think that is normal.
FIC i just said low point, not really comparing downfalls, but again how is it "just" to attack the manager and players after losing to the best team in the league. Also with your logic City shuld have had past players shitting on the team for 44 years, which I hardly think happened.
I don't think the team should be exempt from criticism, I just think old players could at least be more measured in their approach instead of going on rants about the team one game in.
FIC i just said low point, not really comparing downfalls, but again how is it "just" to attack the manager and players after losing to the best team in the league. Also with your logic City shuld have had past players shitting on the team for 44 years, which I hardly think happened.
I don't think the team should be exempt from criticism, I just think old players could at least be more measured in their approach instead of going on rants about the team one game in.
+1
No Man City legends dug Pep or the team out because City had won the title 2 years prior to that with Pellegrini which was pretty recent. If City fails to win a trophy in the next 4 or 5 years and when I say trophy I'm talking EPL or Champions League I'm sure City legends will come criticizing the team just the way Henry, Keown, Wright, Adams etc do.
That said Emery should be given some time. Arsenal played well against the mighty City so its a good sign.
That said Emery should be given some time. Arsenal played well against the mighty City so its a good sign.
@Football the way your comment started I thought you were gonna make a joke about City being so new with their success that they don't have any legends lol
Actually I haven't listened to adams, ... but if they are criticizing manager now, then it is out of line. Players I can understand if they bottle up or don't show up, but manager is too soon.
Secondly, No offense to city fans, with the relative success city is achieving every season, top 4 finish, title, good football, attracting good players, ... compared to what they were before Sheikh s**t or something, I doubt that they will complain even if they go trophyless for some time as long as they are in top 4.
Secondly, No offense to city fans, with the relative success city is achieving every season, top 4 finish, title, good football, attracting good players, ... compared to what they were before Sheikh s**t or something, I doubt that they will complain even if they go trophyless for some time as long as they are in top 4.
@ Football the premier league history of your club didn't begin when the Sheikhs came in, or did it? You winning the premiership every other year is to be expected with the investments that have been made. I can assure you that if Arsenal had the same level of investment and had won premiership titles the way you have recently without winning the Champions League or even reaching a final, our legends and other pundits alike, would criticize us for only being able to bully premier league teams and don't have what it takes to stamp our authority in Europe. No one speaks about how your club isn't dominating in Europe. Hmmmmm, I wonder why?
GGG
Actually ManCity are indeed criticized for their lack of results on the European level. Surely less than we would be if we had invested that much (even without such investments we were criticized for our CL form), but still they get some stick which is only right in my opinion, given all their investements and the fact that it's been like 10 years that they've been investing that much. Just one semi final isnt great for all that investment.
With that said, I think it goes down to show what a tough competition the CL really is. You dont just have to have great players (to some extent, that is enough to win most leagues eventually), your tactical approach must be on point and well executed throughout the competition, plus you have to get a bit of luck, as in every cup competition.
Actually ManCity are indeed criticized for their lack of results on the European level. Surely less than we would be if we had invested that much (even without such investments we were criticized for our CL form), but still they get some stick which is only right in my opinion, given all their investements and the fact that it's been like 10 years that they've been investing that much. Just one semi final isnt great for all that investment.
With that said, I think it goes down to show what a tough competition the CL really is. You dont just have to have great players (to some extent, that is enough to win most leagues eventually), your tactical approach must be on point and well executed throughout the competition, plus you have to get a bit of luck, as in every cup competition.
Chargui. Exactly and that's why it seems overboard the criticism we get after a bad result with a new manager.
The difficulties City face in Europe is similar to what most premier league teams face with them domestically.
Our new manager seems humble and like he knows a lot about the game. There's been a lazy culture amongst our players,
that doesn't disappear in one game, a month or 3, hope he does well and helps remove the gloom that has covered our club for too long.
The difficulties City face in Europe is similar to what most premier league teams face with them domestically.
Our new manager seems humble and like he knows a lot about the game. There's been a lazy culture amongst our players,
that doesn't disappear in one game, a month or 3, hope he does well and helps remove the gloom that has covered our club for too long.
100% agree that Emery shouldnt be criticized now. We'll see at the end of the season how it goes, it's difficult to set an objective, given the downfall that could happen after such a long managing spell (ManU went from 1st to 7th). I guess a CL qualification is the best we can hope for, either from EL or from top4.
Mainly, I want Emery to build something coherent and find the right equation in terms of tactics and player motivation, to be able to produce exciting football. If he has to try some new things and make some rearrangements throughout the season, let him do it.
The end result of this season isnt as important as the long term stability of the team and if it takes a season to adjust, then fine.
Mainly, I want Emery to build something coherent and find the right equation in terms of tactics and player motivation, to be able to produce exciting football. If he has to try some new things and make some rearrangements throughout the season, let him do it.
The end result of this season isnt as important as the long term stability of the team and if it takes a season to adjust, then fine.
+2
So right. Hopefully we don't have a situation like Man Utd after Ferguson. Liverpool are dreaming of a title less than 3 years into Klopps reign as he promised. Let's enjoy the journey and see where Mr Emery takes us.
You guys talk as if Arsenal has more premier league titles than Man City ... look at facts you have won 3 times and we have won 3 times ... your success came when Arsene Wenger came in and you won the premier league in 1998, 2002, 2004 and its been what 14 years now? thats why those Legends criticizing your club have every right to do so...say we don't win a title until 2032? the likes of David Silva, Aguero Kompany etc will come criticizing the club just as your legends are doing it. That said Arsenal has won the title before it was renamed to "Premier League" and so has Man City. But speaking in terms of Premier League which started in 1992 we are even.
the fact that u needed to invest 1 billion to win those amount of titles doesnt make those titles impressive though
Liverpool are winning the premier league this season...mark my word.
I'll remember this post and if it doesn't happen, we're gonna have words...
;P
;P
+5
With Monreal ageing and Kolasniac not really proving himself enough so far (when fit). I hope this club is looking at Ryan Sessengog. May not have been very impressive the other day but with more top division game time this kid could be the real deal. His cotract runs out in 2020 so he shouldn't be that expensive
how many time should Unai Emery gets?
22 years
+6
next transfer window. This year he gets to evaluate what he really has and if Kronke doesn't care then Emery should leave and just hire big Sam.
+1
How cool would it be if we could get Zinedine Zidane to manage? But I have hope in Unai Emery as well, and I think it's fair to give him a few years, but only if he brings something new to the table, and doesn't allow the same problems that were there in the past to exist. Show us you're working to correct them! Then we'll love you. :)
+1
I will like to give him at least 2 seasons. I'm not expecting things to happen overnight. But I do expect to see a change in the right direction by the end of the season. Year 2 he should be settled, given a chance to keep certain players and strengthen. If the goods aren't showing I'm sure our fans will let the club know if he's underachieving.
I'd say 4-5 years. If we look at how long it took Klopp to overhaul his squad and implement a playing style then we should allow a similar timeframe.
We can't afford to do what City or Utd can do and cram 2-3 windows worth of signings into 1. We can maybe spend 70m per season on transfers so under current circumstances that's a few smaller-value signings or one marquee signing per year.
I'm less concerned with a title challenge for now, I'd rather get a playing style that unites a fractured fanbase first. Get ALL the supporters behind the club again and take it from there.
We can't afford to do what City or Utd can do and cram 2-3 windows worth of signings into 1. We can maybe spend 70m per season on transfers so under current circumstances that's a few smaller-value signings or one marquee signing per year.
I'm less concerned with a title challenge for now, I'd rather get a playing style that unites a fractured fanbase first. Get ALL the supporters behind the club again and take it from there.
1.Guendozi Holy f*****g shit....i would honestly give this dude ten more starts...he has a heart and he don't care about no name,he was the only one going after the opponents he'll only get better( done hyping him)
2. Check we love you but dude almost gave me a heart attack each time they attacked our goal.
3.Emery needs time to transform his team...he better do It asap.
4. Ramsey better work for that contract.
5. City were beatable.they got lucky with the second goal.we were just weird.
2. Check we love you but dude almost gave me a heart attack each time they attacked our goal.
3.Emery needs time to transform his team...he better do It asap.
4. Ramsey better work for that contract.
5. City were beatable.they got lucky with the second goal.we were just weird.
I would start Guendozi and Torreira, drop xhaka because he just sucks. We need to play 2 strikers other wise this ain't gonna work.
+1
Why does everyone say Xhaka is bad? He's not a fully defensive player is he? I think he's more an attacker than a defender.
Thet's exactly the problem with him that he's neither attacking nor defensive - he just doesn't contribute much in any department. He's just jogging around and passing sideways.
+2
Well, he must be doing something properly for him to be our main midfielder. Also, people compare him to Torreira who is kind of different. Should we be depending on Xhaka for defense though?
Imo both Xhaka and Elneny are very average players. The only reason to keep them in the squad is needed depth to provide backing for injured midfield starters.
+1
@ArsenalGirl -
City are beatable : Agree vehemently. Arsenal missed a few chances
Second goal was lucky : Disagree vehemently. Clean, beautiful, team goal. Mendy-Sterling-Mendy-Silva. With a spicy finish.
City are beatable : Agree vehemently. Arsenal missed a few chances
Second goal was lucky : Disagree vehemently. Clean, beautiful, team goal. Mendy-Sterling-Mendy-Silva. With a spicy finish.
The 1st goal was the one with more elements of luck. Cech couldn't see through the crowd..otherwise it wouldn't have bothered him
Ramsey/Xhaka OUT
Lacazette/Torreira IN
Keep Guendouzi and Lichstensteiner out there in the 1st 11.
Bring on Chelsea.
Lacazette/Torreira IN
Keep Guendouzi and Lichstensteiner out there in the 1st 11.
Bring on Chelsea.
Bench Ozil as well. He is earning enough to sit quiet until he is back in form. Played like a jelly fish last Sunday. Though to be fair he was played out of position but even then you must show more for 300k a week - lol.
Lich is right FB behind Bellerin in pecking order. LB is not his strong side. As a matter of fact Silva ran out of his marking with 2nd goal.
Cech was too nervy and the defense felt it.
Would start Leno in the goal and both Laca and Auba upfront if we decide to play with 2 strikers. Given that Emery plays 4 backs (Likely Bell-Sokr-Must or Hold- Nacho), this will imply 4 midfielders, creating questions about who can play at the wings. Alternatively, Torr-Guend as DM's and 3 AM's with Ozil (pfff) as No 10 and Auba and Mkhi on the flanks.
Lich is right FB behind Bellerin in pecking order. LB is not his strong side. As a matter of fact Silva ran out of his marking with 2nd goal.
Cech was too nervy and the defense felt it.
Would start Leno in the goal and both Laca and Auba upfront if we decide to play with 2 strikers. Given that Emery plays 4 backs (Likely Bell-Sokr-Must or Hold- Nacho), this will imply 4 midfielders, creating questions about who can play at the wings. Alternatively, Torr-Guend as DM's and 3 AM's with Ozil (pfff) as No 10 and Auba and Mkhi on the flanks.
Yo guys, what happened to Bully on ArsenalFanTv? Haven't seen him in a long time, also Blondie, where is he? Also the tall dude who has red hair that Robbie makes fun of
Guys, just giving this kid some attention. He needs to be scouted. Imagine him not going pro.
If this kid were european or south american, big clubs would have bought him already for their youth academies. He's only 16
skip to his passses to look at this kid's vision. he's something else.
https://youtu.be/dbvxOL5m6eU
If this kid were european or south american, big clubs would have bought him already for their youth academies. He's only 16
skip to his passses to look at this kid's vision. he's something else.
https://youtu.be/dbvxOL5m6eU
So here's my thoughts on the first game:
1) Torreira should've started over Xhaka. He played better than him in the few minutes that he got in the second half
2) Lacazette should start, put Aubameyang on the wing.
3) Ozil should play in the middle, he doesn't do well on the wing.
4) Guendouzy played well, despite making a couple of mistakes (which is to be expected. New League, new style of play,etc)
5) We have to work on the miscommunications. I saw a lot of failed passes and some moments where players just froze and didn't know what to do.
6) Central defense wasn't bad today, though I wished Sokratis didn't turn his back for the 2nd goal.
I wasn't expecting us to win but I hoped for a draw, it didn't happen. Let's fix some things and prepare for next weekend. It's only game 1, give Emery time to fix the kinks. COYG.
1) Torreira should've started over Xhaka. He played better than him in the few minutes that he got in the second half
2) Lacazette should start, put Aubameyang on the wing.
3) Ozil should play in the middle, he doesn't do well on the wing.
4) Guendouzy played well, despite making a couple of mistakes (which is to be expected. New League, new style of play,etc)
5) We have to work on the miscommunications. I saw a lot of failed passes and some moments where players just froze and didn't know what to do.
6) Central defense wasn't bad today, though I wished Sokratis didn't turn his back for the 2nd goal.
I wasn't expecting us to win but I hoped for a draw, it didn't happen. Let's fix some things and prepare for next weekend. It's only game 1, give Emery time to fix the kinks. COYG.
+2
1.) Cant start a player who's only had like 1 half of preseason with us can you? Laca and Auba are the best partnership we have. We can't have Ramsey, Ozil, and Mhiki together unless we're playing a team where we can actually play the arsenal way. We cannot expect to do that against top quality sides given the form we've been in.
+1
Agree with both of you, guys.
Would bench Ramsey, Xhaka and Ozil - all not in form.
AMN and Ozil were played out of position again like last season. As a result AMN got injured and Ozil got lost.
Sokratis and Guendouzi made couple of mistakes each, others made many more.
Cech lost his confidence. Every back pass gave me goose bumps. Though to be fair he made couple of great saves but his lack of confidence spread over to the defense line. Leno to start against Chelsea imo. Nacho too. Maybe time to introduce Emile and/or Nketiah as subs. Not sure that 4:2:3:1 is a good formation
Would bench Ramsey, Xhaka and Ozil - all not in form.
AMN and Ozil were played out of position again like last season. As a result AMN got injured and Ozil got lost.
Sokratis and Guendouzi made couple of mistakes each, others made many more.
Cech lost his confidence. Every back pass gave me goose bumps. Though to be fair he made couple of great saves but his lack of confidence spread over to the defense line. Leno to start against Chelsea imo. Nacho too. Maybe time to introduce Emile and/or Nketiah as subs. Not sure that 4:2:3:1 is a good formation
4231 is not ideal as we have Laca and Auba who deserve to start in the center.
I think the only system that allows us to play Ozil as a 10 and both Laca and Auba in the center, is a diamond midfield but it leaves just one spot for Torreira, Xhaka, Elneny and Guendouzi (+Bielik maybe):
-Auba-Laca-
---Ozil---
Ramsey-Mkhi
----??----
Unless I'm forgetting something, all other systems leave either Ozil or Auba on the wing, as Laca is probably useless on the wing. So it's a 4231:
------Laca-----
-Auba-Ozil-Mkhi-
Torreira-Guendouzi (or another combination from our CM-DMs)
Or a 442 with 2 wide playmakers:
---Laca-Auba---
Ozil--------Mkhi
Torreira-Guendouzi
Problem is Emery will need some time to find the right formula and we look like we depend a lot on who is in good form and who isnt. It is still unclear who deserves a spot as starter and who comes short and the arrivals dont make it any easier (which is also a good thing as some players needed competition). We'll probably see quite a few changes in formation in the first quarter of the season, hopefully it will stabilize throughout the season.
I think the only system that allows us to play Ozil as a 10 and both Laca and Auba in the center, is a diamond midfield but it leaves just one spot for Torreira, Xhaka, Elneny and Guendouzi (+Bielik maybe):
-Auba-Laca-
---Ozil---
Ramsey-Mkhi
----??----
Unless I'm forgetting something, all other systems leave either Ozil or Auba on the wing, as Laca is probably useless on the wing. So it's a 4231:
------Laca-----
-Auba-Ozil-Mkhi-
Torreira-Guendouzi (or another combination from our CM-DMs)
Or a 442 with 2 wide playmakers:
---Laca-Auba---
Ozil--------Mkhi
Torreira-Guendouzi
Problem is Emery will need some time to find the right formula and we look like we depend a lot on who is in good form and who isnt. It is still unclear who deserves a spot as starter and who comes short and the arrivals dont make it any easier (which is also a good thing as some players needed competition). We'll probably see quite a few changes in formation in the first quarter of the season, hopefully it will stabilize throughout the season.
Put mikhi on the bench as well. He looks short on confidence and very rusty at the moment.
Laca-auba
Ozil
Ramsey-guendouzi
Torreira
Nacho-soktafi-lichsteiner
Leno
Laca-auba
Ozil
Ramsey-guendouzi
Torreira
Nacho-soktafi-lichsteiner
Leno
Filsuf as innovative as always. We might want to play with 11 players on the pitch though ;)
+1
3) me thinks emery kind of overdid the tactics part in his first match - playing ozil in midfield and ramsey as striker, especially when starting with a 19 year old kid against mancity.
442 diamond is the only way we can put out our best xi at once. Mkhi can't start if both laca and aubameyang are starting along with Ozil. Filsuf has the right idea.
Not mad we lost wasn't expecting a win. At least Emery changed things when needed and the players fought. Cech should be benched don't care about the 2 saves he is just terrible with his feet. Imagine if that ball went in off his feet.
I actually watched full game and non of the goals were his mistake...Infact if not for him it could have been 3-0 or 4-0.
If you complaining about his ball playing ability from the back...tell me which GK doesn't mess-up once in a while. I have even seen Lloris do it in world cup.
If you complaining about his ball playing ability from the back...tell me which GK doesn't mess-up once in a while. I have even seen Lloris do it in world cup.
+2
Defensively, Cech was an extremely reassuring presence whole game. Note that i said DEFENSIVELY.
in the first half every time he got the ball my heart skipped a few beats.
Cech was very nervous throughout the game. It's not something that should ever happen given his experience. Should have also done better with the 1st goal..if he had actually extended himself with nore enthusiasm and determination you never know
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