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Here we go. Theo is almost back...soon back to the original 4: Ozil Iwobi Theo and Sanchez. With Giroud and The Ox starring off the bench. This was working before. With Lucas and Welbeck as added fire power, I have confidence in our attack. For me our whole season depends on whether Coq/Ramsey/Elneny/Xhaka can deliver. The original back 5 will get back together soon(perhaps for Burnley even) and they are solid too.
Yeah I'm happy with the forwards and even relatively happy with the defence.

My main concern is the engine room - midfield. Elneny gone for AFCON, Santi injured, Wilshere on loan.


It only leaves Ramsey, Xhaka and Coquelin as recognised central midfielders. The key is to choose the right combinations depending on the opponent and for the guys to play sensibly and not lose their heads.
Coq is injured too
well damn...forgot he hobbled off. Ramsey still does not convince me, sometimes he plays very well but other times he is so frustrating.

We need him and Xhaka to find some consistency and provide both creativity and solidity in the middle of the park.
Mike Dean demoted from premier league!
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Best Transfer News
better late than never
Suckssss what about man Utd top 4 hopes all dashed... damn you FA
Forbes: Most valuable clubs

1. Real Madrid (3.4B)
2. FC Barcelona (3.3B)
3. Man Utd (3.1B)
4. Bayern (2.5B)
5. Arsenal (1.9B)


Actually crazy how high up we are considering where we were pre-wenger... People say what Arsene has done, this is one of many many many things. We just need to compete with these guys on the competition basis now (excluding man utd)
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So much money going through our club and top 4 is out target each year
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Fans just need to realize that we've come a far way in a cosiderably short period of time... that doesn't mean we settle for mediocrity.
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Who are guys supporting this weekend for the City Spurs game? Or are you hoping for a classic draw between the teams?
Draw
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Personally I would like city to win. Spuds need to be put back in their place
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City of course. That or a draw would be ok too.
Thought this was the PL page.

My statement is probably still accurate for Arsenal fans though.
I think we need spurs to win so chelsea will have some pressure
City for me.

1) Offers us the chance to go back above the chickens and possibly Liverpool depending on their result.
2) Keeps the "if all these shots went in we'd be top of the league" dabbers down in 6th.

Chelsea have to play Liverpool and us in the next weeks so I don't think we have to rely on Spurs to keep the pressure on them. Besides, if we're relying on Spurs, the title is already in Chelsea's.
Like the Utd Pool game its just gonna be a beauty to watchfor Arsenal fans. No matter what the result. We win!
what the hell juve?
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lol Juventus JJ ... my eyes are hurting.
What's the other J stands for
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it's actually a stripe running through a very thick J lol. what a crest...
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It's JJuventus😂😂😂😂😂
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Its minimal and cool. But they kind of replaced the old logo which is baffling... this one could just be another logo along the sleeves or something.

My guess is that after spending all that Pogback money on Higuan they didnt have much left to pay their graphics designer
Alexis Sanchez pleads guilty to Spain tax fraud to avoid trial

http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3040044/alexis-sanchez-pleads-guilty-to-spain-tax-agency-fraud-to-avoid-trial-reports

Not surprised he did all this while playing for Barca lol.
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Damn, half that team have some kind of tax fraud allegations or have been convicted lol
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Most Spanish footballers have been in trouble with the tax authorities, the rules are extremely complex and most players mess up. Ignorance of the law isn't a defense or anything but its somewhat understandable for footballers with busy schedules.

Pleading guilty to avoid trial doesn't mean he did it, it might just mean he'll pay the supposed amount and get on with his life.
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Agree with Hikmat.. Its no coincidence that all the problems with footballers taxes are in Spain.. You dont see these problems in England, cause the laws are more straight up..
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Unless you're 'Arry Redknapp wheeler and dealer extraordinaire
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I'm sorry hikmat but these guys were blatantly hiding money in overseas companies, this has nothing to do with ignorance of complex tax codes. Civil cases would mean they did something wrong but were unaware, but these tax fraud cases are criminal charges with prison time. Masch plead guilty, Sanchez plead guilty, Messi was charged as guilty. And as usual, the rich get away with crimes, so their prison sentences will be/are suspended and they will just pay a fine.

Some people want to say "oh these guys are young, they let their financial people do the dirty work" but this is becoming a trend isnt it. Doesn't look so innocent and doesnt look like a one-off. First it was neymar transfer deal with all these hidden strings and fees under the table, and now it's 3 players hiding income in south american businesses to avoid the high taxes.. just doesn't look like school boy mistakes, it's white collar corruption. I'm not claiming some huge conspiracy theory, but it's a little ridiculous how these instances all happened with barca players. Witch hunt or not, it seems there have been serious attempts at fraud here.
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They probably all hired Messi's dad to do their tax
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completely agree with SiF, for once at least. Understandable my ass, it's not some mistake being done by being unaware, there's clear intention.

Just wake up, people, you would forgive footballer a murder just because he kicks a ball. Pathetic.
I suspect it is a bit of both. The players won't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to financial matters, it's not like they are all chartered financial accountants hellbent on hiding away their earnings.

They have probably been very badly advised by their accountants. If you hire a guy to look after your finances and he says "this loophole isn't technically illegal and it allows you to keep more of your money" most people would likely accept the advice and tell them to get on with it.

That doesn't absolve the players, though. If you're earning multi-millions per year, just pay your fecking taxes. You'll still be a multi-millionaire afterwards. It's common sense.

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Barca better be training some lawyers in la masia
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As a business owner, you do everything you can by decreasing your taxes, of course must be done within laws.. if you have a loophole you will use it, as long as its within the law. SIF its easy for you to say that, cause I assume you not actually earning that kind of money (not saying i am).. But I can I understand their accountants do everything to save their client money (thats their job).. Like I said, we only see these problems in Spain, I dont know their rules but my assumption is that laws on taxes are not clear with a lot of loopholes.

Yes they earn a lot but at the same time its business, as ANY business in the world big or small trying decrease their taxes, its normal.. In cases with footballers, yes of course they are part to be blamed, they been advised and Im sure accountant said something that some particular transactions might be under review and they took a risk.
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^ I can understand a person earning 100k a year, if he tries couple of underhanded tricks to save a few bucks so that his family can afford a good home or his kids can go to a better school. But let's face it, these players earn more each month than what an average dude earns in good few years. Thats just the wages from the club, add endorsements media rights and all that.

They are names common in almost every household in the countries they play in (and world over), and for them to set such a shitty example to all their fans is quite sad. For these multi millionaire players to commit tax fraud has no sympathy from me. The worst part is the guy who commits tax fraud earning 100k a year to save some extra money for him and his family is going to jail , while these rich corrupt players walk scot free, as if the whole law process is a joke. F that s**t
They didnt take no risk, they are greedy s's o b's (pardon my language) and by doing this they prove they are no better than Sepp Blatter.
A 27 y/o player if he goes on to fraud a nation, by the time he is 65 is going to sell the game out to the country which bribes him the most - like FIFA officials did with the Qatar WC.

The laws are as clear as they can be written. Spain isn't some new country founded yesterday, and these players are trying the oldest trick in the book which is stashing part of their earnings abroad in fraudulent shelf companies and hoping the nation's tax officials don't find it. Well, boo hoo. I don't understand why rich players get suspended sentences while in America even a shop keeper convicted of meddling his books gets put away for a very long time.
"As a business owner, you do everything you can by decreasing your taxes, of course must be done within laws."

Well... It seems like it wasn't done within the law so I wonder where are all the excuses coming from? I'm not saying this because it is an Arsenal player, I would say the same about a Man Utd player. But

How people excuse this is beyond me.
@Rooney5 Dude I am not giving him any excuses ffs.. Did you read all the way??? I said they took a risk..

And Vaaz big difference, this is not America we talking about.. Laws in America are different from Europe and particulary Spain.. Go watch documentary movie 13th on netflix..
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Dani Yeah the laws might be different, but still doesnt justify what the players done. More over as you rightly said they all have a bunch of highly paid tax advisors, in spite of all that they chose to defraud the nation. IDK why exactly that deserves a suspended sentence, but it's as guilty an offence as it is in America.

Almost half that Barca squad have now been charged with tax fraud - its a real shame. I wonder if there is more to it, what about the Spanish players? Has anyone been charged yet, or I wonder if they are getting off the hook because they are World Cup winners or something. Either way they are all getting off, plead guilty to robbing the nation of $600k in tax and just pay a fine, yeah OK. People get sent to jail for years in other countries for the same crime
Bro you didnt get the point about America... Justice system in USA is brutal, people can go to jail for smallest of offences... Dont compare America with Europe in terms of justice system. Watch that documentary you will be shocked by the numbers.

They wouldnt dare to do those tax evasions in America
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No no, i get it, yeah USA has a crazy justice system. I do know EU is much more lax and offers people the chance to correct themselves. Ill probably add that to my list, thanks for the recommendation

But what I still want to say is that even if the laws are lax, they should be doing it in the first place given they earn so much. Maybe they don't care about their reputation.

See Tiger Woods lost all his sponsorship deals when his affair/scandal rocked him, this is much worse (cheating a whole country, not just some gal) yet I dont see any of the sponsors making a cry.
What, a guy isnt allowed to do his natural thing while defrauding a nation is completely acceptable?
Leefo: "Just wake up, people, you would forgive footballer a murder just because he kicks a ball. Pathetic."

Absolutely. There are several current or recent players who have killed people in various accidents and, for the most part, the public doesn't even hear about it.

Marcos Alonso killed a woman while he was drunk driving. He was originally sentenced to 4 years. Then, it was changed to 1 year 9 months. And finally, probation, a fine, and the loss of his license.
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^ Didn't know that. No way he is walking in USA. The DA's would do just about anything to get him behind bars.

Edit: Just read a bit more on this, seems he

- paid a lot of money to the victim's family
- admitted he was drunk and
- had a lawyer who was able to convince the girl's family not to press charges and settle out of court

It is essentially another instance of money talking. Apparently in Europe a lot depends on how the victims family handle the situation. If the accused is able to persuade them to drop it, the courts are supposed to take a lenient stance on the crime. On top of paying the family, he had to pay a fine to the state and also get a 4 year suspension on his driving license. Very lucky boy.


Its a big f*****g joke. A rich celebrity who drives drunk and kills a civilian should be put behind bars as long as possible. They have enough money to buy that expensive car with all the latest airbags and safety gizmodo and nothing ever will happen to them when they are drunk and crash into a poor civilian driving a Toyota who has no chance of surviving a crash with a super car.
"Marcos Alonso killed a woman while he was drunk driving. He was originally sentenced to 4 years. Then, it was changed to 1 year 9 months. And finally, probation, a fine, and the loss of his license."

He got away with only a probation and a fine? Holy hell.
Celebrities have their own laws what they abide to it seems; though average joe will be severely punished if caught doing such a crime.

Something needs to change; irrespective or money or popularity the laws should not bend just because they're famous. These people are hero's to a lot of kids around the world and they need to set an example to all!
Agreed. I don't know the details of Alonso's incident - but, I think if you kill someone while drunk driving it should be charged as murder and not manslaughter.
Didnt know about Alonso, thats fukking nasty, should be in jail for that plain simple
To be honest guys, do u think Pep going to city is a blessing in disguise for us? I would still want him as our manager if AW decide to leave. It's good for him to get to learn EPL is tough at Man City. If he finished below 4th and not perform in CL, I think he will has strong chance of getting sacked. It's his first season, despite their recent form. I think he is still class. Ozil and Sanchez would stay because of him too.
No. Pep is still a quality manager, his only problem at City is that he doesn't have the players that can play his system. Even with Pep, we still have the same aging team and injury prone players from last season. We have a number of players with contracts running out this summer, so I expect us to make some additions in the summer. I don't think Pep wants to make any big signings now because we can wait in the summer but at the same at time, what's the point if we miss out on top 4 this season from the way were playing. Pep is in a tough position.

City higher ups have been plotting and planning for pep arrival for way too long to sack him after a season and for not finishing in top 4.

Quite sure they will give him at minimum another season with more money to spend, plus City owners are not that trigger happy.
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Yeah, can't imagine zabaleta is peps top pick for defensive mid lol. Just don't understand why the f sane doesn't play??

Bravo
Sagna new [asap] new kolarov
Fernandinho yaya
Sane silva de bruyne
Aguero

Arguably he needs a new back 5 over the next 2 seasons. Plenty of punching power in attack.
I think he is overrated.. I did think that before and think this now even more.. In Barcelona he had a VERY special team.. Team that wont come around very often.. Yes they could play his style and did it fantastically. This team cannot play the same and as a coach he should be realizing it and fixing it.. By fixing I mean is to change up his play a bit, which he reluctant to do, he would rather see his team get thrashed 4-0.. His transfers has never been strong before, and by buying joke Bravo for Hart just makes my mind blow up. Soo nah.. Man City job is the challenge for him, even though he probably will have crazy budget to work with..

I dont think they will sack him at least for 2-3 seasons, Man City do give fair amount of time for managers to build their team
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He won't stay around long enough to get sacked. I don't want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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You want to sack wenger for pep? LMAO you must be kidding!! mate pep needs a huge financial boost in order to build a top notch team and even then there is no guarantee he will win you any silverware. Do you really believe arsenal board will give him that much money? lol By the way i think pep's system has too many loopholes to be successful in epl. He has better chance of winning ucl with city than epl.
^ 'If he decide to leave'
Guys I'm doing a management project, and it's for Accounting and finance...

Basically I gotta do a research question, but I wanna link it to Football, anybody got any tips?
Get your hands onto Arsenal's balance sheet, income statement and cash flow statements from the past 8-10 years at least. Carefully analyze the numbers, key metrics. Analyze and appreciate how we have managed our asses during the tough years. With good rational assumptions, make projections for the next 5 years or so and let us know how much effing money sitting in our bank.
Lmao, f**k having a pass grade, I would wanna work for Arsenal and earn some money... Keep telling them that we have loads left in the bank 😂😂😂
Do arsenal publish their financials ? Recently I read some stuff about Chelsea latest financial, also I think Manu are obliged to publish their financial because they're listed.

Anyways check out Swiss Ramble, that guy is best when it comes to Football and finance. I am yet to read it but he recently posted something related to arsenal.
Gotta be kidding.

Surely Pep >>>> Wenger.
To the Giroud haters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT_HDCCWE8E
I Love Arsenal!!
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