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what the hell juve?
lol Juventus JJ ... my eyes are hurting.
What's the other J stands for
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it's actually a stripe running through a very thick J lol. what a crest...
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It's JJuventus😂😂😂😂😂
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Its minimal and cool. But they kind of replaced the old logo which is baffling... this one could just be another logo along the sleeves or something.

My guess is that after spending all that Pogback money on Higuan they didnt have much left to pay their graphics designer
Alexis Sanchez pleads guilty to Spain tax fraud to avoid trial

http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3040044/alexis-sanchez-pleads-guilty-to-spain-tax-agency-fraud-to-avoid-trial-reports

Not surprised he did all this while playing for Barca lol.
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Damn, half that team have some kind of tax fraud allegations or have been convicted lol
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Most Spanish footballers have been in trouble with the tax authorities, the rules are extremely complex and most players mess up. Ignorance of the law isn't a defense or anything but its somewhat understandable for footballers with busy schedules.

Pleading guilty to avoid trial doesn't mean he did it, it might just mean he'll pay the supposed amount and get on with his life.
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Agree with Hikmat.. Its no coincidence that all the problems with footballers taxes are in Spain.. You dont see these problems in England, cause the laws are more straight up..
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Unless you're 'Arry Redknapp wheeler and dealer extraordinaire
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I'm sorry hikmat but these guys were blatantly hiding money in overseas companies, this has nothing to do with ignorance of complex tax codes. Civil cases would mean they did something wrong but were unaware, but these tax fraud cases are criminal charges with prison time. Masch plead guilty, Sanchez plead guilty, Messi was charged as guilty. And as usual, the rich get away with crimes, so their prison sentences will be/are suspended and they will just pay a fine.

Some people want to say "oh these guys are young, they let their financial people do the dirty work" but this is becoming a trend isnt it. Doesn't look so innocent and doesnt look like a one-off. First it was neymar transfer deal with all these hidden strings and fees under the table, and now it's 3 players hiding income in south american businesses to avoid the high taxes.. just doesn't look like school boy mistakes, it's white collar corruption. I'm not claiming some huge conspiracy theory, but it's a little ridiculous how these instances all happened with barca players. Witch hunt or not, it seems there have been serious attempts at fraud here.
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They probably all hired Messi's dad to do their tax
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completely agree with SiF, for once at least. Understandable my ass, it's not some mistake being done by being unaware, there's clear intention.

Just wake up, people, you would forgive footballer a murder just because he kicks a ball. Pathetic.
I suspect it is a bit of both. The players won't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to financial matters, it's not like they are all chartered financial accountants hellbent on hiding away their earnings.

They have probably been very badly advised by their accountants. If you hire a guy to look after your finances and he says "this loophole isn't technically illegal and it allows you to keep more of your money" most people would likely accept the advice and tell them to get on with it.

That doesn't absolve the players, though. If you're earning multi-millions per year, just pay your fecking taxes. You'll still be a multi-millionaire afterwards. It's common sense.

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Barca better be training some lawyers in la masia
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As a business owner, you do everything you can by decreasing your taxes, of course must be done within laws.. if you have a loophole you will use it, as long as its within the law. SIF its easy for you to say that, cause I assume you not actually earning that kind of money (not saying i am).. But I can I understand their accountants do everything to save their client money (thats their job).. Like I said, we only see these problems in Spain, I dont know their rules but my assumption is that laws on taxes are not clear with a lot of loopholes.

Yes they earn a lot but at the same time its business, as ANY business in the world big or small trying decrease their taxes, its normal.. In cases with footballers, yes of course they are part to be blamed, they been advised and Im sure accountant said something that some particular transactions might be under review and they took a risk.
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^ I can understand a person earning 100k a year, if he tries couple of underhanded tricks to save a few bucks so that his family can afford a good home or his kids can go to a better school. But let's face it, these players earn more each month than what an average dude earns in good few years. Thats just the wages from the club, add endorsements media rights and all that.

They are names common in almost every household in the countries they play in (and world over), and for them to set such a shitty example to all their fans is quite sad. For these multi millionaire players to commit tax fraud has no sympathy from me. The worst part is the guy who commits tax fraud earning 100k a year to save some extra money for him and his family is going to jail , while these rich corrupt players walk scot free, as if the whole law process is a joke. F that s**t
They didnt take no risk, they are greedy s's o b's (pardon my language) and by doing this they prove they are no better than Sepp Blatter.
A 27 y/o player if he goes on to fraud a nation, by the time he is 65 is going to sell the game out to the country which bribes him the most - like FIFA officials did with the Qatar WC.

The laws are as clear as they can be written. Spain isn't some new country founded yesterday, and these players are trying the oldest trick in the book which is stashing part of their earnings abroad in fraudulent shelf companies and hoping the nation's tax officials don't find it. Well, boo hoo. I don't understand why rich players get suspended sentences while in America even a shop keeper convicted of meddling his books gets put away for a very long time.
"As a business owner, you do everything you can by decreasing your taxes, of course must be done within laws."

Well... It seems like it wasn't done within the law so I wonder where are all the excuses coming from? I'm not saying this because it is an Arsenal player, I would say the same about a Man Utd player. But

How people excuse this is beyond me.
@Rooney5 Dude I am not giving him any excuses ffs.. Did you read all the way??? I said they took a risk..

And Vaaz big difference, this is not America we talking about.. Laws in America are different from Europe and particulary Spain.. Go watch documentary movie 13th on netflix..
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Dani Yeah the laws might be different, but still doesnt justify what the players done. More over as you rightly said they all have a bunch of highly paid tax advisors, in spite of all that they chose to defraud the nation. IDK why exactly that deserves a suspended sentence, but it's as guilty an offence as it is in America.

Almost half that Barca squad have now been charged with tax fraud - its a real shame. I wonder if there is more to it, what about the Spanish players? Has anyone been charged yet, or I wonder if they are getting off the hook because they are World Cup winners or something. Either way they are all getting off, plead guilty to robbing the nation of $600k in tax and just pay a fine, yeah OK. People get sent to jail for years in other countries for the same crime
Bro you didnt get the point about America... Justice system in USA is brutal, people can go to jail for smallest of offences... Dont compare America with Europe in terms of justice system. Watch that documentary you will be shocked by the numbers.

They wouldnt dare to do those tax evasions in America
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No no, i get it, yeah USA has a crazy justice system. I do know EU is much more lax and offers people the chance to correct themselves. Ill probably add that to my list, thanks for the recommendation

But what I still want to say is that even if the laws are lax, they should be doing it in the first place given they earn so much. Maybe they don't care about their reputation.

See Tiger Woods lost all his sponsorship deals when his affair/scandal rocked him, this is much worse (cheating a whole country, not just some gal) yet I dont see any of the sponsors making a cry.
What, a guy isnt allowed to do his natural thing while defrauding a nation is completely acceptable?
Leefo: "Just wake up, people, you would forgive footballer a murder just because he kicks a ball. Pathetic."

Absolutely. There are several current or recent players who have killed people in various accidents and, for the most part, the public doesn't even hear about it.

Marcos Alonso killed a woman while he was drunk driving. He was originally sentenced to 4 years. Then, it was changed to 1 year 9 months. And finally, probation, a fine, and the loss of his license.
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^ Didn't know that. No way he is walking in USA. The DA's would do just about anything to get him behind bars.
"Marcos Alonso killed a woman while he was drunk driving. He was originally sentenced to 4 years. Then, it was changed to 1 year 9 months. And finally, probation, a fine, and the loss of his license."

He got away with only a probation and a fine? Holy hell.
Celebrities have their own laws what they abide to it seems; though average joe will be severely punished if caught doing such a crime.

Something needs to change; irrespective or money or popularity the laws should not bend just because they're famous. These people are hero's to a lot of kids around the world and they need to set an example to all!
To be honest guys, do u think Pep going to city is a blessing in disguise for us? I would still want him as our manager if AW decide to leave. It's good for him to get to learn EPL is tough at Man City. If he finished below 4th and not perform in CL, I think he will has strong chance of getting sacked. It's his first season, despite their recent form. I think he is still class. Ozil and Sanchez would stay because of him too.
No. Pep is still a quality manager, his only problem at City is that he doesn't have the players that can play his system. Even with Pep, we still have the same aging team and injury prone players from last season. We have a number of players with contracts running out this summer, so I expect us to make some additions in the summer. I don't think Pep wants to make any big signings now because we can wait in the summer but at the same at time, what's the point if we miss out on top 4 this season from the way were playing. Pep is in a tough position.

City higher ups have been plotting and planning for pep arrival for way too long to sack him after a season and for not finishing in top 4.

Quite sure they will give him at minimum another season with more money to spend, plus City owners are not that trigger happy.
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Yeah, can't imagine zabaleta is peps top pick for defensive mid lol. Just don't understand why the f sane doesn't play??

Bravo
Sagna new [asap] new kolarov
Fernandinho yaya
Sane silva de bruyne
Aguero

Arguably he needs a new back 5 over the next 2 seasons. Plenty of punching power in attack.
I think he is overrated.. I did think that before and think this now even more.. In Barcelona he had a VERY special team.. Team that wont come around very often.. Yes they could play his style and did it fantastically. This team cannot play the same and as a coach he should be realizing it and fixing it.. By fixing I mean is to change up his play a bit, which he reluctant to do, he would rather see his team get thrashed 4-0.. His transfers has never been strong before, and by buying joke Bravo for Hart just makes my mind blow up. Soo nah.. Man City job is the challenge for him, even though he probably will have crazy budget to work with..

I dont think they will sack him at least for 2-3 seasons, Man City do give fair amount of time for managers to build their team
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He won't stay around long enough to get sacked. I don't want him anywhere near Arsenal.
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You want to sack wenger for pep? LMAO you must be kidding!! mate pep needs a huge financial boost in order to build a top notch team and even then there is no guarantee he will win you any silverware. Do you really believe arsenal board will give him that much money? lol By the way i think pep's system has too many loopholes to be successful in epl. He has better chance of winning ucl with city than epl.
^ 'If he decide to leave'
Guys I'm doing a management project, and it's for Accounting and finance...

Basically I gotta do a research question, but I wanna link it to Football, anybody got any tips?
Get your hands onto Arsenal's balance sheet, income statement and cash flow statements from the past 8-10 years at least. Carefully analyze the numbers, key metrics. Analyze and appreciate how we have managed our asses during the tough years. With good rational assumptions, make projections for the next 5 years or so and let us know how much effing money sitting in our bank.
Lmao, f**k having a pass grade, I would wanna work for Arsenal and earn some money... Keep telling them that we have loads left in the bank 😂😂😂
Do arsenal publish their financials ? Recently I read some stuff about Chelsea latest financial, also I think Manu are obliged to publish their financial because they're listed.

Anyways check out Swiss Ramble, that guy is best when it comes to Football and finance. I am yet to read it but he recently posted something related to arsenal.
Gotta be kidding.

Surely Pep >>>> Wenger.
To the Giroud haters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT_HDCCWE8E
I Love Arsenal!!
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:heart:
Lol i got copycat from liverpool page. Wtf
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Dani now comes with a pack
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Lol i got copycat from Arsenal page. Wtf
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQfzwFloVqA
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lol
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Oooh someone's throwing a tantrum. Your use of caps lock is definitely helping get your point across.
Lol wtf I reported this tart wonder why is the porky still around

Whats with the "Footytube staff" badge

edit : seems to have been removed. it was some troll with a pork image and a nonsense post, not the impostor lol. what all crap is going on the site since yesterday !
I saw him on the Utd page earlier spouting offensive crap. I reported it and it got deleted pretty quickly, just gotta suffer morons every now and then
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He was trash, trash belongs in the bin so I obliged.
Sometimes i just don't understand some utd fans. Okay, they think they are the best in the league, everyone support their club so i can understand that. But yesterday i was told there that Alexis should join them because he will win more silverware and success at united than at Arsenal. I mean, wtf ? They have been finishing below us for 3 season straight, and this season they are still below us. At least u just come out with a point that make sense, if a chelsea fan or city fan tell me this I would have agree, because they indeed showed more potential in winning epl/cl than us in recent season. They are not in even in CL and struggling to get into top 4, yet they make kind of nonsense claims.

Today someone claimed apart from chelsea, none of the other clubs are better than them, they should be in 2nd place. I mean, wtf ? Then, why are they not in 2nd now ? They are still in 6th, the table is right beside here, just check the reality man. Spending hundreds of millions and they still struggling, aiming top 4, yet they claim they are better than everyone. WTF, that's just deluded
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It's cos we are ABU


Still don't know what it means, but united fans use it a lot
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It's like a kid is born to billionaire parents and becomes very spoiled because of it and for a while the kid is happy and has everything he/she wants; but then, the kid's parents die one day and a few misguided investments later you're struggling to do well but you need to try to keep up appearances to still fit in with the other rich kids - the result is someone who is living in the past, spoiled by past successes, too arrogant and proud to admit the shortcomings of the present and essentially unable to come to terms with how far they have fallen in life.

Now in this story the kid is of course representative of Man United fans and the rich parents represent Sir Alex Ferguson - after he left and three years of mediocrity followed those same fans who had so much success for so long can not accept they are not nearly as good anymore and that is why they behave and speak the way they do. It isn't their fault - it's just the way people are in this world.
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@xgooner - Mou, the c**t and united suit each other with their campaign and ABU theories.
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if mou gets past the 3rd year that is.

which still doesn't change the fact that mou is a c**t.
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Fact is Mourinho has been sacked as many times as he has won those PL titles...

Hush hush now, don't cry because you have a glorified Pulis as your manager
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Jose will spend another 200m in summer and the summer after that and stay for atleast 5-10 years at united....My guess is that he will eventually win at some point
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You have to win when u spend that kinda money
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Hasn't Arsenal, United, City and Leicester all thought us that money doesn't guarantee trophies?

Why are some fans soo bitter all the time? United fans, why are you guys so sensitive?

Bazinga & Diontan, you don't really believe that Mou only wins because he spends..do you bro?

Some arsenal fans at it again smh...we all know how quickly things change in the EPL. Everyone chill
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Which is better than spending the same amount of time at Arsenal and having very little to show for it
Let's face it if Arsene was at any other club he would have been sacked a few dozen times over already. It's just at Arsenal where the manager and clubs ambition match so perfectly it's almost made in heaven

Oh and it's too easy to understand Arsenal fans especially the ones who are calling for firmino to two foot challenge and injure Herrera cuz that's totally acceptable
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Gapha - No i dont think he wins only because of spending...he knows how to get results using players who he bough by spending.

Not trying to take his credit away...but at the same time cant deny his spending style and my point was that he will spend more and united will eventually win trophies
^^well same can be said for most coaches at big clubs these days. Remember LVG? pep? carlo etc....that's just how most big clubs are run bro. still need a tactician to make it count. Give an average joe millions and there is a chance that in 10 years, he still wont win sh*t
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Bazinga you seemed to have had absolutely no problem with that when he was getting all those results at Chelsea using players who he bounght with his spending style

It's so funny seeing a Chelsea fan having a problem with Mourinho because of his spending. Virtually the same squad bought with his spending style (albeit with one or two additions) is sitting on top of the table.
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Vaaz - Im not having problem with spending even now man...but why deny that he can win because of spending? Your not getting my point at all. I dont have problem with Jose spending....but i dont want fans to rule out the fact that spending is main factor in winning.

Ofcourse chelsea won all these years because Roman spent well and managers like Jose , Carlo used money will to buy great players and win titles.
Money is a factor..not the "main" factor. How do you explain Leicester, Porto and inter winning champions league ahead of clubs who spent 3x as more?

I feel this is just a lazy excuse most rivals use to defend why they aren't winning trophies.

Case in point - Just a few weeks ago, people were saying that Mou is done, his ideas are done and he's on the decline. Fast forward - he starts winning again and oh, it's all about mone lol.

Cheers guys
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If That's what it takes to win at Man utd, then that's what should be done.
No team is going to win the EPL with a stock squad of youth team graduates. Leicester was once in a generation and it's not going to happen anytime soon.

He didn't spend much to win the EL/UCL at Porto did he? Kept spending to a minimal at Inter too
But when he does not spend much and wins, The abuse he gets is because he plays negative football.

Every time Mou gets a point or wins a game, dozens of fans have ready made reasons why he doesn't deserve it because either he spent money, or because he is too defensive, or because he is a c@nt, or for some other ridiculous reason.
I guess it's safe to say a person's success really breeds hate among several others
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without guessing I can for a fact say, Mou's cuntery breeds more hate among several others.
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Vaaz - Answer the million $ question now - Why was Jose spending at Chelsea problem for united fans back then and now they feel its normal to spend?

Hypocrisy??
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Whens the last time spurs or arsenal won the league? Does it matter that you've finished above us? The point is you haven't won the league since when?
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Ah SIF has arrived; ladies and gentlemen above is exhibit A of my earlier point - this is what we refer to as "living in the past".
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Baz Was never a problem for anyone afaik. SAF never had a problem, in fact SAF spent as much as he would want to to strengthen the squad even before Mou came into the scene. E.g., Rio, Veron etc were all massive transfers back in the day. Man utd were always a healthy mix of youth players and world class transfers, till Moyes came in and shat all over in the manager's box

Canon Mou is only a c**t to Wenger, Guardoila and now Klop lol
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Vaaz - I'm not taking about SAF having problme with jose spending....we are talking our united fans on footy who criticized him to the core for a decade for spending and buying trophies.

I can dig and show old posts...but lets continue discussion on united forum.
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Footballdoc, how many league titles have spurs won since Fergie retired? Arsenal? Take your time.

Finishing above us in the league last three years means nothing if you didn't win the trophy.
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SIF old sport you continue to miss the essence of this conversation - no one was talking about league titles. All that was said was why do United fans think their team is better than any team in the current top 5 RIGHT NOW.

Now mate I know it's hard for you to understand things some times but maybe it's time you got off your high horse, stopped acting like some kind of bovine superhero and had a sit down and properly read through things before throwing shots in the dark.
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Really tough for Utd fans to live with the fact they aren't the top dogs anymore. I mean you aren't even the best team in Manchester anymore. Oh wait but you guys sell more jerseys than anyone else lol
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i dont have a problem with spending. we spend what we make. if arsenal spend we wouldnt have problems with it but they dont spend.

and post Fergie era we only 1 trophy behind arsenal. only City and Chelsea are actually ahead

Also never realized like less than 10 people represents the entire united fan base.

footballdoc, maybe you need to re-read the OP, specifically the bit about winning silverware.

I dont have to respond to what you lot are crying about if it doesnt pertain to me, i believe utd are still more likely to win something this season than arsenal and spurs and thats what i'm responding to.
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the season isnt over yet. everyone just chill
@xgonner, It means "anyone but united"
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Thanks for answering the question Malik 😂😂😂
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Hahahahaha, Damn its escalated
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@SIF: And I believe you are in over your head with your claims of United being more likely to win something (and yes I am ignoring the League Cup). I really just do not understand where you draw these ridiculous assertions from, the stats, the form book, absolutely nothing supports what you believe -and that is why it is simply just that - a belief.
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please leave mourinho alone. he has been doing great for the last 7 matches.
Pogba got a twitter icon....ofcourse the will win the league....
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We finished 5th last season and won the fa cup, what did spurs win last season for their second place finish? The league stats and figures wont predict who wins the cups, a good bit of that is down to luck with scheduling and how seriously you take the competition. At least Arsenal have won the FA cup 2 out of the last 3 seasons, I give them credit for that at least. But I don't see arsenal winning the league, neither spurs at this moment in time. It's not about talent, it's about mentality. For a club that hasn't won s**t for ages, maybe you should be counting the league cup. Maybe that's part of the problem, eh? Both city and chelsea have won the league cup in recent years, winning breeds more winning and success. But I digress.

You can dismiss the league cup because you're not going to win it. There's still the FA cup and Europa League. It's early to be talking about winning those, but lets see come the end of the season.
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If arsenal not winning the league then so will united for now. U guys have been finishing below us for some time now, and what makes u think u are better than us now? But like u said, no one can predict the future, so just keep quite and see what will happen. Better than making nonsense claims where it's not true at the moment. It's the whole point for starting this thread actually. Because in the end when u talked crap and not achieving, it will just makes u look like a dumb fella.
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I never talked about united winning the title, I talked about winning silverware. We're not in a position to be talking about the title, I know that. I have been saying for weeks, it's too early to be talking about the title even for chelsea, although they look clear favorites at the moment.

Just stop talking about finishing above us, thats that small club mentality. You don't get a trophy for finishing above spurs or above united, you never hear us talk about that nonsense. Either you win the league or you don't, and if you don't you must qualify for CL. Those are the only relevant points of discussions. Yes we missed CL last season on goal difference, but that has no bearing on anything with this season.

On the one had you are saying we're living in the past, on the other hand you're talking about title-less finishes above united in the last 3 seasons as if that has any bearing on this season. How about you make up your mind on what your message is?
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U talked about nonsense when u (not u exactly, some united fan) think united has more chances to provide Alexis silverware. That's the point. You think he wants fa cup, league cup, the shield? He had won that here. He wants the epl and cl. If u think Arsenal can't provide him those, then what makes u think he will join a club that finish below us for some time and not taking part in CL? My English is simple, its not hard to understand. My thread is not direct at u, u are just too sensitive to response. I did not name u either. Maybe u think player like Alexis wants to join utd for fa cup or the Carling cup, but it is not. If u notice, u are getting far away from the main point that I start referring to.

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No you are not too hard to understand, but neither do you try to understand much of what is being said. Nobody is talking about FA cup or the League cup or anything else.

What I said was that Man Utd will win the title, or will have a very good chance to do the same, with Alexis joining them, whereas no amount of signings will ever make Arsenal win the league, with Sanchez or without (at least while Wenger is around). And leave CL out of the picture will ya, are you going to tell me he has any chance whatsoever of winning the CL at Arsenal given the history of recent seasons?
Lets not kid ourselves, Wenger has been a great manager but even most you fans agree that he can't take the club much further that what he has already done. Plus its hugely debatable as to what sort of signings Wenger can even make given the limited finances at his disposal.

As I told you earlier it's a similar situation at OT to the one which existed when RvP joined Man Utd, where a 3rd/4th/5th (or even 6th if you are in the mood to stick it in) placed team is just one or two WC players away from competing for the title. And with the right players upfront (Alexis included) the title can become a real possibility. Even Sachez knows it, while you are trying your utmost to deny that.
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Fact is saf is a manager capable of winning from so called ageing and mediocre squad. Perhaps like u say he needs one or 2 world class signing to win the title. Meanwhile how much had united spent since saf retirement, and how much result is produced? Please don't tell me those are not class signings. Not that I wanna deny it, I will say again, if u were saying Alexis should join Chelsea or city for success and trophies(> fa cup above), it makes more sense. But not united at the moment, not even convincing. I dont deny the fact that AW probably will never win the title again, but to say united has more chance now? Probably not now too.
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You are right lets revisit this debate after the season has ended? I dont deny Chelsea will be a good option too, but City are just not there in my book and over the next few months we will see whats going to happen with them

Most of the spending was wasted by Moyes and LVG. Mourinho has had a fresh start and lets see where he leads the club in a season or two. What I don't get is why most Arsenal fans discredit Mourinho, Hate him yes, but to discredit his achievements seems a bit petty.

Before he came man utd were exactly what they were - a 7th or 8th placed side. I think he still has a lot of work to do but he is the right man and will come good in due time.
^ peace
I love when people talk out of their arse about this team or that team winning this or that. 3 years ago "AW will never win anything", a few trophies later the same people are on the other case "AW will never win the league ever". The reality is none of us know fuckall about what it takes to win the league. People talking about the importance of having a winning mentality and all of a sudden that assertion makes them a bloody expert on who's got it or not, what was Leicester then with their rich history of winning trophies and developing that mentality. People really need to get off their high horse.

A united fan saying Sanchez should move there is not even a top 5 in deluded statements I heard coming from that camp in a week. I don't understand why people still react to that sort of thing. I can't but reflect on what's been said about the fact that many utd fans feel a need to remind of their superiority every damn opportunity they get, with either reference to past accomplishments or recent good form. A few more years without a league title and they may sound like some of the liverpool fans they like to make fun of so much.

I understand that for many fans trophies is all that matters, hence the selection of trophy obsessed type of fans into the united camp, but the footballing side and philosophical side of the game is of high importance to me as well. I'm more concerned with the fact that we've not hit our usual smooth flow in the games, not how many trophies we have not won in recent years. And these days I'd pay to watch spurs over united any day of the week.
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Listen, I know I shouldn't be coming here to keep saying that I don't think you'll win. I'm sure that will upset a few fans, as it would if it were posted on the utd page. Actually you guys have not been as vitriolic about it as i'm sure a lot of pages would be, and I respect that.

It's just my opinion, it's obvious that I could be wrong, but i'm just going on what I see and feel and what I have noticed watching the premier league for however long as I have. There is a certain resilience, a certain confidence, amount of luck, but also a certain amount of control in games that you can see in title winners and so far i only see that in chelsea this season. As well as Liverpool Spurs and Arsenal have played in patches i'm not seeing what I see in Chelsea so far in anyone else.

But it's a long season so injuries, suspensions, bad luck, anything could happen between now and May. That goes without saying.

About Sanchez joining, personally I don't see it because If I were a betting man, i would put my money on us going after antoine griezmann instead. I just have a feeling he's our next high profile target.

But look, you dont always have to follow logic when it comes to big clubs. We did finish 7th and go on to sign ADM and other big names. We did finish outside the CL spots and signed Pogba Mkhi Bailly and Ibra. There are intangibles about big clubs that draw players and fans alike. Sometimes it's the manager, sometimes it's the history, sometimes it's just a feeling. Who knows. What I will say is I dont think those guys join if they don't think we can win the league. Who is to say Sanchez isnt someone who thinks similarly?

the point is arsene's leaving soon, he doesnt look like he's going to win the league this season, and then what happens to arsenal? if you dont get the right guy in, who's to say arsenal will be better placed to win the title next season, did you consider that at all? This is a very big moment for Arsenal with wenger sanchez and ozil's future being uncertain. You might not see it now, but come summer, it might become more clear who looks likely to compete for the title moving forward.

You can call it delusion, you can call it arrogance, whatever, but would mourinho, ibra, pogba, mkhitaryan, bailly join if they didnt think they had a chance to win the league with united? i think we've already shown in this 16 match unbeaten run that we do have that potential, and our players and manager have that pedigree of league success (count the number of league titles in the squad and im sure it's well over 30). A number of players had to gel, the manager had to get used to the squad and vice versa, but we certainly do seem more stable now. Let's see how things unfold this season and maybe we revisit this at the end. For now anything said concerning the title in this and future seasons will just be speculation.

Edit: One last thing, I keep hearing about the money we've dropped as in no excuse for not winning the title. I do think we've underperformed, but lots of teams have spent a lot of money, not least of which Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Arsenal have bought plenty of players worth 20-25+ million or more pound in the last 3 seasons. Yes our signings have made headlines as we've paid a pretty penny to get deals in that we wanted, but why does that mean we have to win the league and no one else? you guys bang on about Ozil being the best or Sanchez being the best, they were expensive signings, some would say signings you've gotten for a bargain despite their fee. Where's the Accountability there in pointing to us but not your own squad? Arsene's spent a lot of money on your squad, I never hear anyone talk about it on this page for some reason. Why is that? The money front is just an excuse. Yes it buys quality, yes quality makes a big difference, but nothing is a given.

Last season was literally arsenal's best chance to win the title in probably a decade or more, am I right? An off season for perennial winners in Utd, and occasional winners (lmao) in Chelsea and City.. yet arsenal could not deliver. You guys should be more worried about yourselves than whatever else anyone else is spending.
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Guess we all gotta say what we feel like saying. None of you Arsenal fans would have thought much about RvP moving to Man Utd either, but he did and the rest is history.
Now that RvP did happen it remains an open possibility, how near or far fetched, that Arsenal's best striker once again decides to move camp.

Well if Alexis moves don't tell me I dint warn you guys ;)

If he doesn't move, well we can always go for Griezmann. Truth is Man Utd do need a WC striker if they got to compete for the title again and these are two of the best names out there at the moment.
And quite a few of the best strikers in the world would die for the opportunity to move to Man Utd, especially under Mourinho.

Even one of the best strikers around Zlatan has said he would play for Mourinho rather than get a big fat check in China.
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Wow that is long ^ all of thaaat
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TOO LONG DIDN'T READ
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lol i agree, that was long af. props if you actually read all that.
United with another offside goal ;D
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Man you should see the Pogba clothesline from the back on Hendo.
Herrera played smart, Firmino just let emotions get to him.

We were lacking Matip and Clyne at the back, who would have kept the ball away from ibra and fellaini
+4
Some of their fans are proud of that. Disgusting
+8
https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/820670395447590912

Thats the class you get for 90m hahaha
+4
Ye i was shocked that it wasnt even a fault
+3
Ye i was shocked that it wasnt even a fault
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meh. its a tactical foul. firmino shouldn't react like that and thats an yellow. but agreed - he is a prick.

pogba on the other hand though.. lets see if he gets banned. probably not.
+8
he deserves that elbow lol. The ref is also an asshol for trying to play advantage.
+1
Pogba banned? This is the FA favourite team we're taling about
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^Don't feed the obvious troll. He clearly has no class to begin with, hoping to injure a player out like that.
Wow, surprised that REDdevil fellow has lasted the account purge. Pretty rough comment lol
Thread cleaned, Xgooner mate you know better than to post such things. Don't go wishing for injury to players thanks, that's going too far.


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The Arsenal forward Alexis Sánchez has cut a brooding figure recently but finds comfort in the positive vibrations of his labradors Atom and Humber
Yesterday
Manchester City resemble the girl with a curl in the middle of her forehead, N’Golo Kanté’s return to Leicester shows Wilfred Ndidi what needs to be done and David Moyes regrets catching the bullet dodged by Mark Hughes
1 day ago
The Arsenal forward showed his frustration when he was substituted during their 4-0 win over Swansea, but Wenger dismissed it as a ‘non-story’
3 days ago
Olivier Giroud and Alexis Sánchez scored for Arsenal in their 4-0 win at Swansea City but the Chilean reacted angrily to his substitution, though Arsène Wenger laughed this off
3 days ago
Despite having players missing through injury, Arsenal will see three points as being the only positive result against Swansea City, who languish second bottom
3 days ago
Jack Cork and Kyle Naughton scored own goals as Swansea fell to a heavy 4-0 home defeat against Arsenal
3 days ago
Arsène Wenger says there remains ‘a gap’ between Mesut Özil’s ability and his achievements on the pitch as the German gets ready to return to the Arsenal first team after illness
4 days ago
Arsène Wenger has insisted that his own future will not form the ‘main part’ of Mesut Özil’s decision as to whether to extend his contract with Arsenal
4 days ago
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1 week ago
Borussia Dortmund are in talks with Arsenal over a deal for Gedion Zelalem and, if a deal cannot be struck in January, the Bundesliga club would be open to trying again in the summer
1 week ago
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1 week ago
Mesut Özil has said that he would like to sign a new contract but that he wants to know if Arsène Wenger is staying at the club beyond 2018 before committing his future to the club
1 week ago
Olivier Giroud saved his Arsenal side for the second time in a week, this time against Preston North End, after Arsène Wenger admitted to being ‘angry’ at half-time
1 week ago
The top six already seems settled and they are standing up for themselves instead of standing aside as happened last season
1 week ago
Olivier Giroud scored in the 89th minute to give Arsenal a 2-1 FA Cup third-round win at Preston, after the Gunners had gone behind in the seventh minute
1 week ago
Goals from Aaron Ramsey and Olivier Giroud enabled Arsenal to recover from a shambolic first-half performance and reach the fourth round
1 week ago
Arsène Wenger has admitted that he could do with Jack Wilshere in Arsenal’s depleted midfield with Coquelin, Cazorla, Özil and Elneny all out of action
1 week ago
Preston’s third round FA Cup tie hands the Deepdale manager the chance of another masterclass with his opposite number from the Emirates
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Alexis Sánchez’s passion has been praised by Arséne Wenger, who admits the Chilean is tired and said he would be rested for Arsenal’s FA Cup tie at Preston
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PTS
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GA
GF
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D
W
Pl
Pos
52
30
15
45
3
1
17
21
1
45
29
14
43
2
6
13
21
2
45
25
24
49
2
6
13
21
3
44
26
22
48
3
5
13
21
4
42
15
26
41
5
3
13
21
5
40
12
20
32
3
7
11
21
6
33
9
23
32
6
6
9
21
7
29
0
28
28
8
5
8
21
8
27
-6
33
27
8
6
7
21
9
26
-8
31
23
11
2
8
21
10
25
-7
37
30
10
4
7
21
11
25
-9
35
26
10
4
7
21
12
24
-7
26
19
9
6
6
21
13
23
-13
36
23
10
5
6
21
14
21
-10
34
24
10
6
5
21
15
20
-5
22
17
9
8
4
21
16
16
-10
40
30
13
4
4
21
17
16
-25
45
20
13
4
4
21
18
15
-20
40
20
14
3
4
21
19
15
-26
49
23
14
3
4
21
20
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UEFA Champions League Table

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GA
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L
D
W
Pl
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0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
11
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
23
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
24
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
25
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
26
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
27
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
28
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
29
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
30
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
31
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
32

UEFA Champions League Table

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PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
14
12
6
18
0
2
4
6
1
12
6
7
13
0
3
3
6
2
3
-9
15
6
3
3
0
6
3
2
-9
12
3
4
2
0
6
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