Manchester United 0-0 Valencia: Champions League – as it happened

The pressure increased on Jose Mourinho as Manchester United played out a dour goalless draw with Valencia at Old Trafford

That’s all from me. It was a thriller. I’ll leave you with Paul Wilson’s match report on Manchester United 0-0 Valencia, a match that will live long in the memory. Thanks for reading. Bye.

Jose Mourinho speaks! “Frustrating night because it is not the result we want. Some improvements because if we don’t perform at an acceptable level we would lose and defeat would leave us in difficult situation. In a difficult group if you cannot win at last don’t lose. I think we were the team that tried more. but I accept the result was a fair result. I told in pre-season that last season was phenomenal. To finish second, to reach the FA Cup final, to win the group in the Champions League. I told last season was very, very good season and I don’t say more than that.

“The players tried. They raised the level of their effort. They raised the level of intensity. We tried to play but in some crucial position we don’t have the technical quality to build from the back. We stopped a very dangerous team in the counter attack. We knew we were not going to create 20 chances. We know out attacking players are not in their best moment. But we thought with three or four chances we would win the game.

“But it is not a bad result. Normally Valencia would be with seven points after the fourth fixture because I believe they will get six points against Young Boys. We have Newcastle before the league stops and after that we have Chelsea and Juventus in three days. It would be really good for the team if we can beat Newcastle.”

Chris Smalling speaks! “I think we grew in the second half and i think you can tell we are disappointed not to get that goal. I think we deserved that. That’s what you are after, anything. We are disappointed. I think you have to stand tall. We are going through a tough patch. We are sticking together to make sure we turn it around. We’re trying as hard as we can. We’re talented players and it is that confidence. We’ve got to be mentally tough.”

On BT Sport, Paul Scholes jokes that he was watching the other screens to see some goals. He’s been on one tonight.

Manchester United’s next Champions League game is at home to Juventus and Cristiano Ronaldo on 23 October. They go to Turin on 7 November.

There is nothing to this Manchester United side. They are playing rotten football and everyone looks unhappy. How long can this go on? Jose Mourinho is getting nothing out of these players.


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Here’s Paul Wilson’s match report from Old Trafford.


Jose Mouringo walks off and applauds the Stretford End before disappearing down the tunnel. His populist act is wearing thin, though. It was another tedious performance from Manchester United, who were lumpen in midfield and unimaginative in attack. They haven’t won at home since the opening day of the season. A draw was a fair result, though, because Valencia also struggled to create openings. That means Juventus top Group H with six points from two games, United drop to second with four points, Valencia stay third with one point and Young Boys remain bottom with zero points.

Full-time: Manchester United 0-0 Valencia

That was dire from Jose Mourinho’s side and United’s fans greet the final whistle with boos.

90 min+3: Shaw lifts it to Fellaini, who heads it down. Valencia don’t clear it properly and Fellaini has a shot deflected wide for a corner. Sadly for United, Rashford’s cross is too close to Neto.

90 min+2: Kondogbia’s booked after overrunning the ball and clattering into Matic. Shaw will hoist it into the area.

90 min: There will be three more minutes at a silent, sullen and sleepy Old Trafford.

88 min: Shaw’s corner, Lukaku’s header. Just over. He was unmarked. “Surprising to see Jose struggling with player relationships,” Matt Dony says. “I mean, he’s a friend first, a boss second. Probably an entertainer third...”

A philosopher fourth.

87 min: Pogba’s cross flicks off Garay’s head and goes behind for a corner. Can United not knock it? Meanwhile Gaya has been booked for fouling Rashford off the ball.

86 min: From a tight angle on the left, Rashford decides he might as well go for goal - and he almost comes up with something magnificent, firing a venomous effort against the bar and over for a goal-kick! Moments later Lukaku picks up a booking.

Marcus Rashford hits the bar with the free-kick.
Marcus Rashford hits the bar with the free-kick. Photograph: Matthew Peters/Man Utd via Getty Images


85 min: Martial runs at Piccini at the first time and the right-back chops the United forward down this far outside the area on the left. He’s booked.

Anthony Martial is fouled by Cristiano Piccini.
Anthony Martial is fouled by Cristiano Piccini. Photograph: John Peters/Man Utd via Getty Images


83 min: Cheryshev makes an instant impact, winning a corner on the left. Parejo sends it deep to the far post and Kondogbia heads back across goal. Fellaini heads away from inside the six-yard box.

82 min: Lukaku belts the free-kick straight into the wall. Moments later he’s caught offside. Valencia make their final change, bringing on Denis Cheryshev for the wayward Goncalo Guedes.

81 min: Pogba plays a give and go with Lukaku and gets pulled back by Kondogbia on the edge of the Valencia area. What can United make of this? Let Fellaini take it.

79 min: Rodrigo spins and knocks a pass through to Guedes, slicing United open. Guedes tries to take De Gea out of the game with a cutback to Rodrigo, but Antonio Valencia gets a toe to the ball and Shaw completes the clearance.

78 min: Carlos Soler replaces Francis Coquelin.

76 min: Sanchez hoofs a cross out for a throw. That’s his final contribution. His number’s up and the United fans urge him to hurry off the pitch. Anthony Martial comes on.

75 min: Lukaku controls Pogba’s cross at the near post but Neto races from his line to divert his prodded effort behind. Rashford’s corner is poor, though.

Romelu Lukaku is denied by Neto.
Romelu Lukaku is denied by Neto. Photograph: Phil Noble/Reuters


73 min: Valencia bring on the speedy Kevin Gameiro for the ineffective Michy Batshuayi.

72 min: Valencia deal with the corner and Batshuayi rumbles through a couple of challenges before knocking a pass through to Guedes. United have been completely caught out! Guedes has started his run from inside his own half and he’s got nobody between him and De Gea! Much to Marcelino’s disbelief, however, the pass is just behind Guedes and he can’t control it properly. Up the other end, Fellaini velcro-chests a long punt down on the byline, assess his options and pulls a pass back to Sanchez, who wants too long. The United fans vent their frustration at Sanchez.

71 min: Lukaku hares on to a long ball over the top, cuts inside from the right and aims a low drive towards the far corner with his left foot. Neto pushes it behind for a corner.

69 min: This reminds me of a terrible Hodgson-era England friendly.

67 min: Pogba concedes possession with a lazy pass. Piccini saunters past him and Pogba falls down in a manner that suggests he’s injured, enabling the right-back to cross from the byline. Rodrigo lays it off to Batshuayi, who rattles a sharp effort over the bar. Pogba’s fine again.

66 min: “Come to think of it, “Keith Matic” has a nice ring to it,” Peter Oh says. “And I wonder how Wernham Hogg’s workplace morale compares to that in the United locker room and training facility these days.”

63 min: Valencia struggle to clear their lines from the corner and almost shoot themselves in the foot, only for Lukaku to give away a free-kick when he catches Piccichi in the face with a stray boot. The visitors are edgy at the moment. It’s almost like United have worked out they aren’t particularly special.

Norberto Murara Neto makes a save under pressure from Romelu Lukaku.
Norberto Murara Neto makes a save under pressure from Romelu Lukaku. Photograph: Clive Brunskill/Getty Images


62 min: With Beckham still in his seat, it’s left to Pogba to take the free-kick. He summons a decent effort but Neto pushes it over.

61 min: Pogba swerves a pass towards Sanchez, who’s bundled over by Gabriel, his former Arsenal team-mate. The referee awards the free-kick after a brief delay. The camera picks out David Beckham in the stands. The ball’s in a central position and 25 yards from goal. He’d fancy this.

58 min: Smalling meets Sanchez’s driven corner but Neto easily claims the defender’s tame header. “Even FERGIE took a few years to get United motoring,” Simon McMahon says. “So let’s cut José some slack, eh? It’s not like he’s got a big city neighbour showing him how it’s done, is it? Or even a historic rival just along the road that are on the up. And a clean sheet is a clean sheet, right? Small steps etc. #believe #united”

57 min: This is a good spell from United, with Shaw’s persistence forcing Piccini to concede a corner. Kondogbia glances Rashford’s corner behind for another corner over on the right.

54 min: Sanchez sticks a ball into the middle. It lands at Rashford’s feet. Shot. Blocked. Kondogbia falls over and the referee decides to stop play as Rashford tries to run at Valencia again. Still, this is a bit better from United. “What does Matic do?” Liam Moseley says. “What are his strengths?”


53 min: Sanchez tries to inject some urgency with a dart down the right. He hoofs a ball into the middle, looking for Rashford, and Piccini doesn’t do enough with his attempt to head away. The ball drops to Pogba but his shot’s deflected wide by Garay. Rashford’s corner is poor.

52 min: A flowing Valencia counterattack falters when the commentator says the words “And now Coquelin...”

51 min: Ryan Lukaku seems to have given up playing on the left already.

49 min: Rodrigo turns and nicks a pass inside to Guedes, who curls one a yard or two wide from 18 yards.

48 min: Rashford is through the middle and Lukaku is on the left. Lukaku boots the ball five yards in front of him and out for a throw.

46 min: Valencia get the second half underway and Kondogbia doesn’t take long to win a free-kick in United’s half. “I don’t remember Moyes’ or Van Gaal’s teams being this bad at home in the Champions League,” Eddie Munro says. “This is dire. You can see the lack of cohesion not just tactically but personally as well. Some of the players aren’t even talking to each other at all, the front 3 specifically. And thanks to Valencia’s (the team) lack of cutting edge it’s this weird purgatory where if you want United to lose so Jose leaves sooner, it’s not happening and if you want United to find some form and confidence from scoring, it’s not happening. Nothing’s happening, but it almost is, but it wont, but you hope it might, so you keep watching, but nothing’s happening.”

Half-time: Manchester United 0-0 Valencia

Slow, plodding and unimaginative, and that’s just me. As for Manchester United, they are a tedious mess. This can only get better ... right?

45 min+3: Shaw gives the ball away with a sloppy pass and Valencia probe down the right. Rodrigo’s cross drifts over Guedes.

45 min+1: There will be three more minutes of this filth. Guedes cuts inside and shoots over from 20 yards.


45 min: Parejo’s booked for grabbing and snatching and pulling Pogba’s shirt on the halfway line. He must really like that shirt.

Paul Pogba is frustrated when referee Slavko Vincic doesn’t allow play to carry on.
Paul Pogba is frustrated when referee Slavko Vincic doesn’t allow play to carry on. Photograph: Lee Smith/Reuters


44 min: Pogba and Lukaku combine to send Shaw speeding down the left. Garay cuts out the left-back’s cross with his chest. The referee ignores appeals for handball.

43 min: I AM BORED.

40 min: This is a very boring game.

39 min: Parejo blooters one over from 20 yards after another neat move from Valencia.

38 min: Bailly’s back on. Scott McTominay can stand down.

35 min: Bailly is still being seen to by the physio. Victor Lindelof is warming up.

34 min: Bailly’s back on his feet. On we go, with Batshuayi holding the ball up and sending Guedes clear down the left. Can he make anything of this opening? Nope. The winger selfishly cuts inside, runs into traffic and sees a shot blocked. Poor. His end product hasn’t been sharp enough yet. Valencia have found so much space down the left. Bailly, meanwhile, has gone down again and needs more treatment.

33 min: Bailly is down and receiving treatment after that blow to the throat from Rodrigo. It wasn’t intentional but it was pretty reckless from the Valencia forward.

Eric Bailly is caught by a stray arm from Rodrigo.
Eric Bailly is caught by a stray arm from Rodrigo. Photograph: Matthew Ashton/AMA/Getty Images


32 min: Sanchez fires the free-kick into the wall. Then Eric Bailly decides to shoot from 35 yards. It doesn’t merit a description. Up the other end, Rodrigo receives a booking for catching Bailly with a stray arm as he tries to control a high ball.


31 min: Batshuayi bundles Pogba over 25 yards from goal. It’s over to the left of the D. Sanchez fancies this.

30 min: Gabriel hacks Rashford’s cross behind for a corner. Can United exert some aerial pressure? Nope. Rashford sends the corner to the near post and Rodrigo heads away.

27 min: Gaya sprays a pass down the line to Guedes, who’s run away from Matic too easily. Fortunately for United, the winger’s cutback isn’t good enough. Up the other end, Antonio Valencia crosses from the right and the unmarked Rashford sees his header blocked.

26 min: Rashford turns and shoots straight at Neto from 30 yards.

25 min: Our statistics suggest that Manchester United have had 59% possession but I find that hard to believe.

23 min: Old Trafford is quiet. Smalling knocks a simple pass out for a throw.

21 min: Valencia are seeing a lot of the ball but they aren’t really going anywhere. Kondogbia gives possession away and Coquelin cynically brings down Rashford. Yellow card for the former Arsenal midfielder.

19 min: United counterattack and Pogba almost slides a pass through for Rashford, only for Piccini to step in with an important intervention.

16 min: Guedes finds Gaya on the overlap again. The left-back’s cross is just behind Rodrigo and Batshuayi. Yet the clearance only goes as far as Guedes and United are relieved to see the winger fluff his shot. He’s having a good game, though, and causes more problem when he sends Batshuayi clear down the left. The Belgian striker finds Rodrigo, but he can’t get a shot away.

15 min: Rashford, United’s biggest threat, zips inside from the left and rattles one a few yards wide from 25 yards. He’s looking bright and confident. Valencia are uncomfortable when Rashford runs at them.

12 min: Rodrigo plays a reverse pass to Guedes, who’s made a run from left to right, but the winger shoots tamely at De Gea from a tight angle.

Goncalo Guedes shoots straight at De Gea.
Goncalo Guedes shoots straight at De Gea. Photograph: Phil Noble/Reuters


11 min: Guedes slips down the left and prods a pass down the line to the overlapping Gaya. Tracking back, Sanchez goes close to fouling the left-back inside United’s area. He manages to control himself just in time, though, and United clear Gaya’s cutback.

9 min: Pogba brings Valencia’s cross down on the edge of the area and flicks a pass through to Lukaku, who’s flagged offside. He might have been on.

7 min: Rashford and Pogba combine down the left, the former taking a chance to run at Piccini. The Valencia right-back looks like he has the situation under control, only to take too long to clear, allowing Rashford to nick the ball off him. Poor defending. United can’t take advantage, though. But they do win a corner when Garay turns Fellaini’s cross behind. Neto claims Rashford’s cross, though.

5 min: Fellaini gives the ball away in midfield and Guedes sets off down the left, with space to attack. Two United defenders come across to confront the Valencia winger, who tries to slip a pass inside to the unmarked Rodrigo. A ricochet almost sees the ball reach the Valencia striker but De Gea speeds out to smother the danger.

4 min: Valencia look like they want to test United’s confidence. They are passing the ball crisply.

2 min: A United attack breaks down and Valencia counter, Kondogbia sending Rodrigo on a sprint through the middle. The attacker steams through the middle too easily but he overruns the ball and Bailly mops up. Moments later Batshuayi gets his feet in a mess as he tries to spray a pass out to the right. But at least he doesn’t kick the ball against his own face.

Peep! Manchester United’s players break from a huddle and get the game underway, kicking from left to right in the first half. There’s a good atmosphere at Old Trafford. Can United respond with a vibrant performance? Valencia, all in white, will hope not.

The teams emerge at the Theatre of Football Heritage. Manchester United need a big performance tonight - but so do Valencia. Your guess is as good as mine.

Rio Ferdinand and Owen Hargreaves think that Manchester United will win. “I don’t know,” Paul Scholes sighs.

Manchester City have kickstarted their European campaign with a 2-1 victory away to Hoffenheim. Scott Murray watched the Premier League champions fight back from a goal down to win in Germany.

Juventus are top of Group H after beating Young Boys 3-0 thanks to a hat-trick from Paulo Dybala. The Italians have six points after two games. Manchester United can join them with a win here.

“As a lifelong United fan, this has been a painful few weeks,” Matt Richman says.” Alan Shearer echoed my feelings yesterday when he said “the club that had the highest morals, values and standards” had become and “embarrassment.” There is no appeal to watching right now besides adherence to perceived duty, and it’s hard to know where to begin to fix things.

“Certainly Mourinho cannot last long. I was actually quite pleased with his progress over his first two seasons, but the shameless disparagement of the players (including his own signings) is something Sir Alex would never have tolerated and represents the final straw for me. The results reflect his forfeiture of the dressing room.

“Woodward I would hope is close behind. Perhaps I am being ungrateful for all the revenue he has brought to the club, but while the football is stodgy the sight of every new sponsorship brings nothing more than a cringe to the fans.

“Ultimately, it does all rest with the owners who are more concerned with using the club as a cash cow. It does hurt to see the club I devoted so much of my life’s energy to be transformed into a commercialised joke, but I suppose we’ll always have the memories. At least we’re still doing better than Newcastle.”

Paul Pogba warms up prior to the match.
Paul Pogba warms up prior to the match. Photograph: Matthew Ashton/AMA/Getty Images


“I suspect the bus is late because Jose Mourinho ordered the driver to make a stop at Paul Scholes’s house so he could TP it,” Peter Oh says. “Look for pieces of white paper fibre on Mourinho’s fingers as he raises three of them in tonight’s post-match press conference.”

Kick-off moved back to 8.05pm

Kick-off has been delayed five minutes to allow Manchester United to have a proper warm-up after their late arrival at Old Trafford. Could this be the turning point in Jose Mourinho’s career?


Manchester United have asked Uefa if kick-off can be delayed. Everything is fine!

There’s no word about whether kick-off will be delayed after Manchester United’s late arrival. I doubt turning up less than an hour before kick-off was part of the plan.

The Manchester United team bus was late arriving at Old Trafford. It’s unconfirmed if Jose Mourinho was charged with parking it.

Gary Lineker asks Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand if they ever lacked desire while they played for SIR ALEX FERGUSON’S Manchester United. “Your attitude, you felt, was always right,” Scholes says. “It’s a difficult one for me to answer because I’ve never been in a dressing room where I felt that players around me wanted the manager to go.”

In the other game in Group H, Juventus lead Young Boys 2-0 in Turin. The Italians are without the suspended Cristiano Ronaldo but Paulo Dybala has scored twice.

What could possibly have ensured that Paul Scholes never played to lose for Manchester United?

What does Paul Scholes make of Jose Mourinho at the moment? “I’m surprised that he survived Saturday. I think his mouth is out of control and I think he’s embarrassing the club,” the former Manchester United midfielder says on BT Sport. Ouch. That’s as brutal as one of his tackles.


Manchester United make four changes after Saturday’s defeat to West Ham. Antonio Valencia replaces Ashley Young and Eric Bailly is in for Victor Lindelof at the back. Marcus Rashford starts after his goal at the London Stadium and Alexis Sanchez has walked straight back into the side after being left out entirely against West Ham. Out go Scott McTominay and Anthony Martial.

Valencia shake things up after beating Real Sociedad on the weekend. Ruben Vezo, Mouctar Diakhaby, Toni Lato, Carlos Soler, Denis Cheryshev and Kevin Gameiro make way for Cristiano Piccini, Gabriel Paulista, Jose Gaya, Francis Coquelin, Goncalo Guedes and Rodrigo Moreno.

Team news

Manchester United: De Gea; Valencia, Bailly, Smalling, Shaw; Matic, Fellaini, Pogba; Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez. Subs: Romero, Darmian, Lindelof, McTominay, Fred, Martial, Mata.

Valencia: Neto; Piccini, Garay, Gabriel, Gaya; Parejo, Coquelin, Kondogbia, Guedes; Rodrigo, Batshuayi. Subs: Domenech, Vezo, Wass, Diakhaby, Soler, Cheryshev, Gameiro.

Referee: Slavko Vincic (Slovenia).


Hello. Part of the fascination with Jose Mourinho’s curse – third-season syndrome – is how long his clubs can stand it before pulling the trigger. How much rancour can an institution take before deciding that enough is enough? Once the rot sets in, it can feel like there’s no way out. But sometimes people fool themselves. They remember the Champions League wins with Porto and Internazionale and the strutting entrance at Chelsea in 2004 and convince themselves that the old Mourinho – the Special One – will surely resurface at some point. It can be hard to let go of something that used to be good, which explains how they’ve managed to make eight series of Homeland. It’s why some people still defend Mourinho by arguing that he’s a proven winner. But we’ve seen how this plays out before. Chelsea made it as far as December when Mourinho started sticking pencils up his nose and his underpants on his head in 2015 and this time, with Manchester United in crisis mode after a dismal start to the season, it feels like the process has been speeded up.

Here we are, at the start of October, and already there is talk of United sacking Mourinho this week. That said, he might get a stay of execution. United host Valencia in the Champions League this evening and Newcastle in the league on Saturday and would expect to pick up two wins in normal circumstances. Newcastle are winless in their first seven matches in the Premier League, while Valencia are 14th in La Liga after winning one of their first seven matches in Spain and are under pressure in Group H after losing at home to 10-man Juventus two weeks ago. United, who thumped Young Boys in their Champions League opener, could take a big step towards the last 16 with a victory over Marcelino’s stuttering side. They have the necessary individual talent to pick up a restorative win.

Even then, however, it is difficult not to feel that United would only be putting off the inevitable. They come into this game in a state of turmoil after crashing out of the Carabao Cup to Derby County last week and losing to West Ham on the weekend. They were a mess at the London Stadium, just as they were against Brighton and Tottenham in August, and nothing about their performance against Manuel Pellegrini’s side suggested that United’s players are playing for their manager. Not that the mutinous atmosphere should come as a surprise given that Mourinho set the tone with his constant grumbling during the summer and his inability to stop throwing members of his squad under the bus. Paul Pogba’s amused reaction when journalists asked him for a chat after the West Ham game – “You want me dead?” – said a lot.

Of course, Pogba is far from blameless when it comes to unpicking United’s woes. Furthermore their problems do not start and end with Mourinho, whose departure would not make make Ed Woodward or the Glazers go away. But United should not be 10th in the league after seven games and should not be losing at home to a Championship side. Ultimately the buck stops with the manager who reckons that playing Scott McTominay in defence is the answer, plays dour football and suggests that some of his players care more than others. Are we in the endgame?

Kick-off: 8pm BST.